Thaksin Still Banned From Entering Germany: German Envoy

Sisaketmike · March 15, 2010

Just look for where his private jet is, all movements of airplanes in any air space are recorded, all flight plans have to be agreed by an International agency. If he used his jet, then the authorities can find out where he is, really they are not looking they are just keeping the public interested in him.

They would never locate him, because he’s flying under the radar like this weird guy who flew to Moskau and landed on the red place. And this was still cold war…Matthias Rust was his name.

Sisaketmike · March 15, 2010

Lol - there is no mistake. He twittered he was in Germany. He is not. He is a liar. But we already knew that. 5 will get you 10 that he is having cocktails with his favorite warlord Hun Sen.

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra would not be able to see his two daughters in Germany as he has been banned from the country since last year, German Ambassador to Thailand Hanns Schumacher said Sunday.

LOL.

Mr. Shoemaker, how do you know that his daughters went to Germany? And if so, couldn’t they just meet somewhere else, if your information would be true. Like Austria, Holland, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Liechtenstein, or even on the moon. Please don’t believe people who make shoes. Especially if their first name is Hannnnss.

mazeltov · March 15, 2010

Think The Nation. The Nation make a mountain out of a molehill. so we have to look for the molehill behind this mountain story.
For Germany it is a Visa issue. Thaksin has no visa, as far as the Ambassador knows, the Ambassador says.

Now the Ambassodor gives the information: In case that somebody would enter Germany without proper documents this person would be subjected to the emigration laws which include arrest as one option to deal with such a offence. illegal border crossing.

That is all what the Ambassador will tell you. He is a diplomat. He didn't say Thaksin is a persona non grata or that he is banned.

"He didn't say Thaksin is a persona non grata or that he is banned".

Mazeltov, sorry but if you re-read the OP, the German Ambassador is directly quoted as follows :-

Thaksin was banned from Germany as he illegally obtain one-year residency last year, the German envoy said in a telephone interview.

also

"So far, we are not aware of movement of former Prime Minister Thaksin to Germany since he has been banned," he said

So he did say Thaksin has been banned, twice, and he gave the reason for it, would you not now agree ?

Wish I could quote directly the OP within my post, and simply highlight the relevant lines for you, but forum-rules don't allow.

want argue over a line you read in The Nation?

true is Thaksin got his residence permit revoked. he lost his legal status as ' foreign resident'.

to be legal in Germany he would need some kind of visa.

the Ambassador said since the revocation of the resident permit (The Nation called it "banned" because is sounds more dramatic) he as Ambassador in Thailand don't know if Thaksin got a new visa or some kind of other visa. (means we don't tell it to you and/or we don't track all his movement) the cancellation of the resident permit is known to the public, anything else 'diplomatic business' the Ambassador chose to not talk about.

Furthermore the Ambassador said that when Thaksin is in Germany he is subjected to the German immigration laws. That is true, every foreigner in Germany is that.

there many ways for foreigner to become 'legal' in Germany. The Schengen visa for example.

The Nation don't discuss all this. It goes not in details what if Thaksin 'is really 'illegal' in Germany, what would the consequences according to German immigration laws actually are. that sounds not dramatic. better leave it out, report only a half the truth.

the headline could be "Shock news: Germany has immigration laws, Ambassador says"

and i can't follow the argument that when Thaksin isn't allowed there and there or travels only to countries that are not in the top 10 of wealthy western white men democracy, that is it a prove how evil and corrupt Thaksin is.

if Thaksin stays away from the UK (for reasons that are unknown and stay in diplomatic silence) it does not mean that the UK chose one side in the conflict and is in full support for Abhisit and sees Thaksin with the same eyes.

not because he is an international criminal fugitive with so many charges against a international parriah makes it impossible to keep running around, rich or not.

its diplomatic non-interference. no comments. nobody get a heart attack on the international level when it comes to Thaksin. he isn't big news, he isn't Sakharov, Mandela or Arrafat nor the Shah of Persia or Dr. Mabuse.

look for example how Thailand or the FM itself refused to give the sister of the Dalai Lama a tourist visa.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thailand-Ref...-s-t344126.html

don't be so gullible when it comes to The Nation news, you make look like a fool afterwards.

take the Interpol issue, if such red notice about Thaksin would really exist, entries above have pointed out what Interpol possible could do and what Interpol cannot do.

my guess is that the FM was in the trail-stage or someone just thought about it that it maybe possible to tag Thaksin with such a red notice. the reports that came out about it almost suggested that it is an fact that Interpol, the international crime police super agents and Lucky Luke are now on their way to hunt Thaksin down and bring him back to Thailand.

maybe it's smokescreen tactic and propaganda maybe the creators of such 'facts' really believe in it themselves.

to recent news give a hint how it works:

Thailand urges UAE to evict Thaksin

that contains the following line: "The Thai foreign minister's secretary said he hoped the UAE government would cooperate with Thailand at a certain level as it has asked the Thai foreign ministry to translate the Thai Supreme Court's recent verdict on Mr Thaksin's frozen assets in Arabic, in which he said demonstrating that the UAE is interested in the matter."

the request, to submit certain documents also in a translation in Arabic seems normal to me and like the usual procedure. The Thai FM turn that almost into a "yes" of the UAE to follow all Thai wishes. and two days later they tell the press:

"It is now very possible for the UAE to agree with the Thai request to expell Thaksin,"

Thaksin poised to leave UAE?

do i believe that? no.

i doesn't make much sense to me to add further anti-Thaksin rhetoric to such threads.

Thaksin never get expelled, arrested or deported or extradited the Thailand despite all The Nation articles and statements from the FM that something like this will happen soon. this is false hope. and false information.

even if the 'news' contain my deepest wishes, i would feel fooled and cheated if it turns out to be false.

decide for yourself, it is your own choice in what state of delusion you wanna live.

Ricardo · March 15, 2010

want argue over a line you read in The Nation?
true is Thaksin got his residence permit revoked. he lost his legal status as ' foreign resident'.

to be legal in Germany he would need some kind of visa.

the Ambassador said since the revocation of the resident permit (The Nation called it "banned" because is sounds more dramatic) he as Ambassador in Thailand don't know if Thaksin got a new visa or some kind of other visa. (means we don't tell it to you and/or we don't track all his movement) the cancellation of the resident permit is known to the public, anything else 'diplomatic business' the Ambassador chose to not talk about.

Furthermore the Ambassador said that when Thaksin is in Germany he is subjected to the German immigration laws. That is true, every foreigner in Germany is that.

there many ways for foreigner to become 'legal' in Germany. The Schengen visa for example.

The Nation don't discuss all this. It goes not in details what if Thaksin 'is really 'illegal' in Germany, what would the consequences according to German immigration laws actually are. that sounds not dramatic. better leave it out, report only a half the truth.

the headline could be "Shock news: Germany has immigration laws, Ambassador says"

and i can't follow the argument that when Thaksin isn't allowed there and there or travels only to countries that are not in the top 10 of wealthy western white men democracy, that is it a prove how evil and corrupt Thaksin is.

if Thaksin stays away from the UK (for reasons that are unknown and stay in diplomatic silence) it does not mean that the UK chose one side in the conflict and is in full support for Abhisit and sees Thaksin with the same eyes.

not because he is an international criminal fugitive with so many charges against a international parriah makes it impossible to keep running around, rich or not.

its diplomatic non-interference. no comments. nobody get a heart attack on the international level when it comes to Thaksin. he isn't big news, he isn't Sakharov, Mandela or Arrafat nor the Shah of Persia or Dr. Mabuse.

look for example how Thailand or the FM itself refused to give the sister of the Dalai Lama a tourist visa.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thailand-Ref...-s-t344126.html

don't be so gullible when it comes to The Nation news, you make look like a fool afterwards.

take the Interpol issue, if such red notice about Thaksin would really exist, entries above have pointed out what Interpol possible could do and what Interpol cannot do.

my guess is that the FM was in the trail-stage or someone just thought about it that it maybe possible to tag Thaksin with such a red notice. the reports that came out about it almost suggested that it is an fact that Interpol, the international crime police super agents and Lucky Luke are now on their way to hunt Thaksin down and bring him back to Thailand.

maybe it's smokescreen tactic and propaganda maybe the creators of such 'facts' really believe in it themselves.

to recent news give a hint how it works:

Thailand urges UAE to evict Thaksin

that contains the following line: "The Thai foreign minister's secretary said he hoped the UAE government would cooperate with Thailand at a certain level as it has asked the Thai foreign ministry to translate the Thai Supreme Court's recent verdict on Mr Thaksin's frozen assets in Arabic, in which he said demonstrating that the UAE is interested in the matter."

the request, to submit certain documents also in a translation in Arabic seems normal to me and like the usual procedure. The Thai FM turn that almost into a "yes" of the UAE to follow all Thai wishes. and two days later they tell the press:

"It is now very possible for the UAE to agree with the Thai request to expell Thaksin,"

Thaksin poised to leave UAE?

do i believe that? no.

i doesn't make much sense to me to add further anti-Thaksin rhetoric to such threads.

Thaksin never get expelled, arrested or deported or extradited the Thailand despite all The Nation articles and statements from the FM that something like this will happen soon. this is false hope. and false information.

even if the 'news' contain my deepest wishes, i would feel fooled and cheated if it turns out to be false.

decide for yourself, it is your own choice in what state of delusion you wanna live.

Wriggle all you like, mate.

You said he hadn't been banned, I showed you where the Ambassador said twice that he had, so you're still wrong.

mazeltov · March 15, 2010

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra would not be able to see his two daughters in Germany as he has been banned from the country since last year, German Ambassador to Thailand Hanns Schumacher said Sunday.
LOL.

Mr. Shoemaker, how do you know that his daughters went to Germany? And if so, couldn’t they just meet somewhere else, if your information would be true. Like Austria, Holland, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Liechtenstein, or even on the moon. Please don’t believe people who make shoes. Especially if their first name is Hannnnss.

dude, don't become a fool and blame the Ambassador Hanns H. for the way The Nation twisted his words and how you wanna to read it.

i am sure Ambassador Hanns H. would agree with you the Thaksin could met his daughters at many places in Europe, but it is not the job of Ambassador Hanns H. to make speculation about Shinawatra family meetings and their travel habits.

asked what would happen if Thaksin travels into Germany the Ambassador Hanns H. said he would be subjected to the German immigration laws (like any other foreigner that travels to Germany.)

anyway what is wrong with Hanns? is your name really "Mike" - in germany almost a proto case of Kevinismus

or is it like 'Miracle Mike' the headless chicken?

mazeltov · March 15, 2010

Mazeltov, let's refresh ourselves at this point.
You avoid answering questions, such as and specifically for example, when was the last time Thaksin was welcome or, more significantly, welcomed in a country which has a legitimately democratic political process and system of government?

[...]

...it's understandable that you can contest the reality that Thaksin in self-exile associates only with fellow tyrants, dictators and frauds.

&

Name one legitimate democracy that anyone here would recognize as such
in which Thaksin is other than an international parriah.

Name One.

does the USofA count for you?

US ENTRY VISA

Thaksin, minister not banned : US Embassy

By The Nation

Published on February 11, 2009

The American ambassador yesterday denied reports that ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra had been banned from entering the United States.

Ambassador Eric G John said US authorities had no plans to rescind Thaksin's entry visa.

He also dismissed as groundless a rumour that Commerce Minister Porntiva Nakasai's US visa had been revoked.

The envoy said the US Embassy rarely commented on individual cases but he had to make the denial publicly in order to ensure fairness for the two persons.

...

http://nationmultimedia.com/2009/02/11/pol...cs_30095414.php

don't you remember that story?

few days before the US_Ambassador came forward, rumours have been published also by The Nation and it seems it came direct from the center of the Abhisit government.

"US considers whether to ban entry of runaway Thaksin BANGKOK: -- The United States is considering whether to ban fugitive ex-Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra from entering the country, PM's personal spokesman Thepthai Saenpong. ..." The Nation 2009-02-08

that 'news' and rumours got also discussed on this board. for the fun you can have a look what the experts wrote. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Considers-Ba...ha-t241391.html

are there any updates of the Thaksin US VISA story? did something changed?

i didn't ask for the joy of bickering, but i really would like to know if there are any official statements by your favorite democracies about Thaksin.

So beside Myanmar, had any other country officially declared that Thaksin isn't welcome and explained the reason for it?

Thai at Heart · March 16, 2010

I am glad that Germany has announced it's stance, since it means that the Foreign ministry can't keep peering into it's all seeing crystal ball and pronouncing (usually completely incorrectly and without evidence) that they have convinced such and such a country to ban Thaksin.

They do not want him back, and the government has no idea where he is from day to day. They may get a tip off from someone in Cambodia if Thaksin comes to stay, but other than that, pretty much no other country gives a dam_n if he comes or goes.

The government uses these stories to keep the tension high. He is as likely to turn up at Survanabhumi immigration as actually be where the foreign ministry says he is.

Sisaketmike · March 16, 2010

mistakingly it was reported that T. is visiting germany,as a matter of fact he might visit Austria and pay a visit of A.H,s birthplace in Braunau,for your info,Austria has a border with Germany and the populace speaks german.

This song is dedicated to those who never had a song dedicated to them.

Are you going to theThaksin Fair?