Thai Commuters Hit By Red-Shirts Use Of River Ferries

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RED SHIRTS RALLY

Commuters hit by reds' use of river ferries

By The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Many commuters were unable to use ferries and express boats on the Chao Phya River yesterday as they were used to transport thousands of red shirts from Angthong, Nonthaburi and Pathum Thani to the rally in the capital.

Harbour Department officials and Chao Phya Express boat staff gave in a demand by the red shirts to provide river express boats at Nonthaburi pier so more than 1,500 red-shirt protesters could travel down the river to join the mass rally on Rajdamnoen Ave after they threatened to seize all express boats if they were not given the service.

Pramual Chooklom, a leader of the red shirts, said protesters were forced to turn to the Chao Phya express boats because 100 of more than 200 boats they had hired to take them from Nonthaburi to Bangkok refused to take them.

Pramual said over a loud speaker that the reds believed Habour Department officials were harassing them, so they would fight back by seizing all 50 Chao Phya express boats.

Boat officials explained that there were only 13 boats in operation on the weekend but finally yielded to the demand. However their request that the red shirts allow other passengers to get on the boats was rejected.

About 500 red shirts in Pathum Thani had to hire buses to get to Bangkok after more than 10 boats they hired return deposits, saying the Harbour Department told them their licences would be revoked if they helped transport the reds to the capital.

Pheu Thai Party Bangkok MP Anudit Nakhontap said he received complaints from the red shirts that boats carrying sand blocked their boats on the river. He plans to file a complaint with the Harbour Department.

The Navy and Harbour Department banned private vessels from using eight piers in the inner city from March 11-23 for security reasons. They include Siriraj, Wang Lang and Tha Prachan pier. The red shirts are allowed to use piers north of the Rama 8 Bridge such as Tha Sam Phraya and Thewet.

Harbour Department director-general Chalor Kacharat said the red shirts would not be allowed to enter the inner city unless given permission.

Several boats carrying red shirts arrived in Bangkok in the evening. They docked at Tha Sam Phraya pier, where colleagues were waiting to welcome them.

-- The Nation 2010-03-15

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[george]

Monday March 15 Red-shirt rally live updates

Here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Bangkok-Red-...da-t347530.html

[WeeGB]

Is there a single world problem that "The Nation" won't blame the red shirts for?

This isn't a newspaper, it's a propaganda sheet.

[thepodest]

"However their request that the red shirts allow other passengers to get on the boats was rejected."

Who the hel_l do they think they are?

[Ulysses G.]

About 500 red shirts in Pathum Thani had to hire buses to get to Bangkok after more than 10 boats they hired return deposits, saying the Harbour Department told them their licences would be revoked if they helped transport the reds to the capital.

It does not sound like the redshirts are the ones at fault here.

[blackman]

if you do not take us voluntarily will will seize your boats

the red shirts schoolboy bully version of democracy in action

Edited March 15, 2010 by blackman

[kurtgruen]

I have a feeling that this whole thing will come to a head very quickly, because even though most of the red shirt demonstrators are probably nice people, there are also some very violent instigators among their midst, who will show their true ambitions soon.

Let's not forget, too, that Thaksin last year, called for a Revolution. Peaceful protest my A**, they are just using that cover to get into the city. As soon as they see their chance, they will urge their followers to physically overpower the current Government. Is there any reader here, who truly thinks otherwise?

[kmj]

So after all the road blocks/checkpoints the goverment forgot about access to the capital by river and are scrabbling to stop it, If J Hederson was still around he could use them for an all new Thai Muppets show.

[SeanMoran]

Peaceful protest my A**, they are just using that cover to get into the city. As soon as they see their chance, they will urge their followers to physically overpower the current Government. Is there any reader here, who truly thinks otherwise?

Huh? Are you suggesting that only chauffeur-driven prestige European automobiles should be permitted inside the city walls, and passage on the Chao Phya only for 40'+ motor launches and private seaplanes?

[kurtgruen]

Peaceful protest my A**, they are just using that cover to get into the city. As soon as they see their chance, they will urge their followers to physically overpower the current Government. Is there any reader here, who truly thinks otherwise?

Huh? Are you suggesting that only chauffeur-driven prestige European automobiles should be permitted inside the city walls, and passage on the Chao Phya only for 40'+ motor launches and private seaplanes?

Getting into the city under the guise if peaceful protest, waiting for their chance to physically overthrow the Government.

[cougar52]

Peaceful protest my A**, they are just using that cover to get into the city. As soon as they see their chance, they will urge their followers to physically overpower the current Government. Is there any reader here, who truly thinks otherwise?

Huh? Are you suggesting that only chauffeur-driven prestige European automobiles should be permitted inside the city walls, and passage on the Chao Phya only for 40'+ motor launches and private seaplanes?

Getting into the city under the guise if peaceful protest, waiting for their chance to physically overthrow the Government.

Wow, you are quite vocal for a Canadian, is this to throw off suspicion, because there is a lot of RED on your flag :D

[kurtgruen]

Peaceful protest my A**, they are just using that cover to get into the city. As soon as they see their chance, they will urge their followers to physically overpower the current Government. Is there any reader here, who truly thinks otherwise?

Huh? Are you suggesting that only chauffeur-driven prestige European automobiles should be permitted inside the city walls, and passage on the Chao Phya only for 40'+ motor launches and private seaplanes?

Getting into the city under the guise if peaceful protest, waiting for their chance to physically overthrow the Government.

Wow, you are quite vocal for a Canadian, is this to throw off suspicion, because there is a lot of RED on your flag :D

Actually, I am quite Red myself, just not "Thai Red" More Cuban Red or Che Red. I'm actually quite offended, that a ruthless capitalist, such as Thaksin would hijack the red colour.

And yes, I am proud of the red part, of our Canadian flag...it represents the few isolated socialists left, tucked away in British Columbia

[alantheembalmer]

This article is complete tosh. I used the express boats both up and down the river yesterday, and as far as I was concerned it was a normal service.

[animatic]

"However their request that the red shirts allow other passengers to get on the boats was rejected."

Who the hel_l do they think they are?

Masters of the universes minions of the holy cause.

They worship the Godhead Thaklsin and can do no wrong in his image.

Yes another set of public rules broken,

even if they are simply ones of the 'Social Contract' that most all people adhear to

so that society can function on a basic level.

Each society has laws, but also commonly understood ways of existence that allow

people to interact and survive as a group working together, yet remain as individuals.

The Reds are throwing that tacit understanding out the window in blind pursuit of

their liege lords goals.

We only matter and our goals, your needs are irrelevant if you are not with us.

This is the mindset leading to civil war, and eventuall rule by totalitarian despots

and their zealot followers.

[hstnasia]

demand that the authority let them pass otherwise the pier seizure? come on mate, that isn't a democracy, sounds to me like they are the bloody dictatorship themselves. And they called themselves fighting against dictatorship? Scr*w them.

[cougar52]

demand that the authority let them pass otherwise the pier seizure? come on mate, that isn't a democracy, sounds to me like they are the bloody dictatorship themselves. And they called themselves fighting against dictatorship? Scr*w them.

This is normal behavior from mobs, No Matter Which Color, I seem to remember the Yellow Shirts doing the same, with buses in the city and access to the motor highway to airport. At the end of the day, it is what one can expect from any mob rule, period.

[animatic]

About 500 red shirts in Pathum Thani had to hire buses to get to Bangkok after more than 10 boats they hired return deposits, saying the Harbour Department told them their licences would be revoked if they helped transport the reds to the capital.

It does not sound like the redshirts are the ones at fault here.

Where is it written in law that a government MUST aide protesters transporting themselves,

who state they are bent on bringing down the government?

Sorry doesn't exist. They have the right to protest,

but no rights to be given preferential treatment to do so.

Commandeering public transport and refusing transport to to others is no doubt against the law.

Providing public transportation to create a public disturbance is the onus of the protesters,

not the government.

Edited March 15, 2010 by animatic

[granuaile]

"However their request that the red shirts allow other passengers to get on the boats was rejected."

Who the hel_l do they think they are?

Yes and they used the threat to seize the boats, reminds one of last year when they hijacked buses.

[granuaile]

About 500 red shirts in Pathum Thani had to hire buses to get to Bangkok after more than 10 boats they hired return deposits, saying the Harbour Department told them their licences would be revoked if they helped transport the reds to the capital.

It does not sound like the redshirts are the ones at fault here.

Those appear to be the boats to get to BKK, not the ones here...

[Ulysses G.]

About 500 red shirts in Pathum Thani had to hire buses to get to Bangkok after more than 10 boats they hired return deposits, saying the Harbour Department told them their licences would be revoked if they helped transport the reds to the capital.

It does not sound like the redshirts are the ones at fault here.

Where is it written in law that a government MUST aide protesters transporting themselves,

Huh? Who said anything about the government "aiding" them. You are spinning again. The government is purposely forbidding them from renting transportion and threatening the boat owners that want to do so.

No wonder no one believes any of the nonsense that the red-haters post.

[granuaile]

Actually, I am quite Red myself, just not "Thai Red" More Cuban Red or Che Red. I'm actually quite offended, that a ruthless capitalist, such as Thaksin would hijack the red colour.

And yes, I am proud of the red part, of our Canadian flag...it represents the few isolated socialists left, tucked away in British Columbia

Kurt pleased to meet you. If they were genuinely socialist I would be more sympathetic, though I might not agree with their approach. I think you are right about their motives.

Have you checked out Red Star House at JJ Market and the Che Store at JJ Mall?

[hardy1943]

About 500 red shirts in Pathum Thani had to hire buses to get to Bangkok after more than 10 boats they hired return deposits, saying the Harbour Department told them their licences would be revoked if they helped transport the reds to the capital.

It does not sound like the redshirts are the ones at fault here.

Media is bias we all know that

Why is the elite afraid to hold an election???

We know that too.

[toybits]

Jim Henson you mean. I wonder which of these characters would be the heckler.

So after all the road blocks/checkpoints the goverment forgot about access to the capital by river and are scrabbling to stop it, If J Hederson was still around he could use them for an all new Thai Muppets show.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

"However their request that the red shirts allow other passengers to get on the boats was rejected."

Who the hel_l do they think they are?

Well, they claim to be a newspaper that's insightful and independent. I don't think I agree.

Edited March 15, 2010 by WinnieTheKhwai

[SCARLETIBIS1]

"However their request that the red shirts allow other passengers to get on the boats was rejected."

Who the hel_l do they think they are?

Masters of the universes minions of the holy cause.

They worship the Godhead Thaklsin and can do no wrong in his image.

Yes another set of public rules broken,

even if they are simply ones of the 'Social Contract' that most all people adhear to

so that society can function on a basic level.

Each society has laws, but also commonly understood ways of existence that allow

people to interact and survive as a group working together, yet remain as individuals.

The Reds are throwing that tacit understanding out the window in blind pursuit of

their liege lords goals.

We only matter and our goals, your needs are irrelevant if you are not with us.

This is the mindset leading to civil war, and eventuall rule by totalitarian despots

and their zealot followers.

Ah, not taking any sides but maybe I wasn't here the day Abahist was democratically elected. What day was that again?????????????

[SCARLETIBIS1]

"However their request that the red shirts allow other passengers to get on the boats was rejected."

Who the hel_l do they think they are?

Masters of the universes minions of the holy cause.

They worship the Godhead Thaklsin and can do no wrong in his image.

Yes another set of public rules broken,

even if they are simply ones of the 'Social Contract' that most all people adhear to

so that society can function on a basic level.

Each society has laws, but also commonly understood ways of existence that allow

people to interact and survive as a group working together, yet remain as individuals.

The Reds are throwing that tacit understanding out the window in blind pursuit of

their liege lords goals.

We only matter and our goals, your needs are irrelevant if you are not with us.

This is the mindset leading to civil war, and eventuall rule by totalitarian despots

and their zealot followers.

Ah, not taking any sides but maybe I wasn't here the day Abahist was democratically elected. What day was that again?????????????

And here is another question. If all the yellow shirt followers who keep repeating on this website how impotent the red shirt followers appear to be and who keep stating that they couldn't win another election no how no way simply give in and hold a democratic election? This would end all the turmoil wouldn't it or do the yellows fear not getting elected again???

Or is this simply a case of whoever has the most guns (military) wins. That is an interesting democratic thesis.

Edited March 15, 2010 by SCARLETIBIS1

[featography]

if you do not take us voluntarily will will seize your boats

the red shirts schoolboy bully version of democracy in action

More like enforcing their equal rights as citizens to use public transportation. They're money is the same as all the other commuters'. The operators of the ferries would have rejoiced at the additional income for the day, had the Harbor police not threatened some with pulling their licences for transporting Reds.

Another thought about comments of the Canadian Socialist offended that the Reds highjacked their red color;

Do the research and you will find the meanings of the 3 colors of the Thai flag.I'll challenge you to do the homework I have done, and you would discover what the blue and white represent. As for the red, it has for a long time represented the blood of the Thai people, who have always been at the forfront of defending their country from invaders from outside. The red shirts wear red as a representation of all Thai people.This concludes todays lesson in Thai 101.

[chadillac0]

My first post on this site. I'll make as correct as i can for all you critics.. One question. Seems that looking back through recent history, most social changes in the 20th century have been led by new thinking and ideas; university students in part, have brought on change.As a teacher at a well known local University, and the unspoken "gag order" society has imposed on itself here, I wonder, where are they in all this? Obviously not a subject that can be debated in the classroom with out some sort of fall out. I wonder out loud what difference there might be if these young educated kids rose up? why has Thaksin not tapped into this growing voter pool is amazing.

[featography]

My first post on this site. I'll make as correct as i can for all you critics.. One question. Seems that looking back through recent history, most social changes in the 20th century have been led by new thinking and ideas; university students in part, have brought on change.As a teacher at a well known local University, and the unspoken "gag order" society has imposed on itself here, I wonder, where are they in all this? Obviously not a subject that can be debated in the classroom with out some sort of fall out. I wonder out loud what difference there might be if these young educated kids rose up? why has Thaksin not tapped into this growing voter pool is amazing.

Only an opinion, but in response to why up and coming students aren't rising up would be 2 fold; They due to censorship are not educated on the level of the rest of the world's students. 2nd they probably have been taught to fear possible outcomes.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_October_1976_Massacre

[granuaile]

Only an opinion, but in response to why up and coming students aren't rising up would be 2 fold; They due to censorship are not educated on the level of the rest of the world's students. 2nd they probably have been taught to fear possible outcomes.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_October_1976_Massacre

Only my experience, but most students and university faculty I know (again just my experience, maybe because people with like views are drawn together) oppose the redshirts and Thaksin, many actively support the yellowshirts.