Red-Shirts Blamed For Gunfights, Bomb Attacks

[elcent]

RT @ktnews: RT @pranot: Police hosp docs say most victims were shot fr behind, with one at close range (gunpowder found on body)

[onthewire]

"Who is the Party to Blame who shot reds and army????

Puea Thai Party chairman Chavalit Yongchaiyudh on Monday repeated his call for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to dissolve the House of Representatives immediately.

He said at a press conference that Mr Abhisit had made a big mistake by ordering soldiers to forcefully disperse the red-shirt protesters on Saturday night, thus allowing a third-hand party to step in and create violence.

Gen Chavalit said almost everybody knew who the third-hand was.

Who is the third Party any clue anyone?????"

If you don't know who the third hand is, ask your significant other. Thai people know who it is but few want to share it with foreigners. Its a shocker...

What would the "third Hand" gain from killing red protesters?

Did you not read Goebbels quote?

[elcent]

Thaskin The Terrorist, everyone wins and more importantly this has some serious credentials.

well observed for your first post, congratulation.

[way2muchcoffee]

I think we can all agree it would not be below the Red Shirt mentality to spill some of its own blood to play the sympathy card. They killed their own people, shame on the reds!

That must be the most stupid post to date.

What is stupid about it? I think it is rather plausible.

[elcent]

Urgent Reuters story of killed Japanese reporter's last video shot of his life @tistoo: RT @Reuters: http://link.reuters.com/zem47j

[jackspratt]

What would the "third Hand" gain from killing red protesters?

Continuity of the status quo, thus easing the transition from someone who is very popular, to someone who is almost universally abhorred.

And the main winners from this scenario are Thaksin, and the long established institution - with whom Thaksin seems have established an unhealthy (for Thailand) relationship with the next generation.

[way2muchcoffee]

wrong --- the purpose of any countries army is to defend that country against foreign invasion and to assist in disaster relief when and where needed -- the internal control of the country rests with the police forces of that country - to up hold the law of the land - seems too often that the army has been used in this country to do the bidding of the govt in power -- or to stage coups when needed - not to be killing their own countrymen - would be interested to know if u can quote what country has used the armed forces to supress local situations like this = apart from burma - but i refer to developed countries - so sad we see thai killing thai -- who was first to throw the first stone does not really matter -- the over reaction by the army was the problem -- and as quoted earlier - if action had been taken against the yellow shirts like this what would the reaction have been also - takes two to have a fight -- or two to tango -- and finally -- the army did not have to be engaged -- but if it was it should have been better controlled and not let these young men run around with weapons primed with live rounds -- the fact that they did have live rounds clearly shows the intent they were going to be used for --

It is you who are wrong here. The army and/or the police have been involved in this kind of thing in Thailand forever. You are applying your western sensibilities to a country that is not your own. The use of the military was entirely appropriate as that is how Thais have traditionally solved these kinds of crises, albeit with poor results most of the time. Nevertheless, it is their army, their country, and their protocols. You or I may not like the way things are done here, but you are wrong to say that in the context of Thailand the use of the army to solve internal disputes is not the correct approach.

[elcent]

Urgent Reuters story of killed Japanese reporter's last video shot of his life @tistoo: RT @Reuters: http://link.reuters.com/zem47j

It seems as if the black clads tried to get rid of him, but were not able to seize the camera which was returned to Reuters by other red shirts then.

[tgw]

What would the "third Hand" gain from killing red protesters?

Continuity of the status quo, thus easing the transition from someone who is very popular, to someone who is almost universally abhorred.

And the main winners from this scenario are Thaksin, and the long established institution - with whom Thaksin seems have established an unhealthy (for Thailand) relationship with the next generation.

What a load of bull...

[way2muchcoffee]

Police with water canon and tear gas would have been perfectly adequate

Against grenades and AK-47s?

[bankokcrazy]

"Who is the Party to Blame who shot reds and army????

Puea Thai Party chairman Chavalit Yongchaiyudh on Monday repeated his call for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to dissolve the House of Representatives immediately.

He said at a press conference that Mr Abhisit had made a big mistake by ordering soldiers to forcefully disperse the red-shirt protesters on Saturday night, thus allowing a third-hand party to step in and create violence.

Gen Chavalit said almost everybody knew who the third-hand was.

Who is the third Party any clue anyone?????"

If you don't know who the third hand is, ask your significant other. Thai people know who it is but few want to share it with foreigners. Its a shocker...

I blame Ken Livingston.

[LevelHead]

Looks to me clearly the soldiers are firing directly at the people at the end of this video on this report.

http://www.france24.com/en/20100411-exclus...-thailand-crack

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[britmaveric]

^indeed I can't see a scenario that Khun T returns in any form or capacity with the govt. Maybe a mascot or cheerleader for the next wave, but I don't think we will ever see him any official capacity.

[bankokcrazy]

wrong --- the purpose of any countries army is to defend that country against foreign invasion and to assist in disaster relief when and where needed -- the internal control of the country rests with the police forces of that country - to up hold the law of the land - seems too often that the army has been used in this country to do the bidding of the govt in power -- or to stage coups when needed - not to be killing their own countrymen - would be interested to know if u can quote what country has used the armed forces to supress local situations like this = apart from burma - but i refer to developed countries - so sad we see thai killing thai -- who was first to throw the first stone does not really matter -- the over reaction by the army was the problem -- and as quoted earlier - if action had been taken against the yellow shirts like this what would the reaction have been also - takes two to have a fight -- or two to tango -- and finally -- the army did not have to be engaged -- but if it was it should have been better controlled and not let these young men run around with weapons primed with live rounds -- the fact that they did have live rounds clearly shows the intent they were going to be used for --

It is you who are wrong here. The army and/or the police have been involved in this kind of thing in Thailand forever. You are applying your western sensibilities to a country that is not your own. The use of the military was entirely appropriate as that is how Thais have traditionally solved these kinds of crises, albeit with poor results most of the time. Nevertheless, it is their army, their country, and their protocols. You or I may not like the way things are done here, but you are wrong to say that in the context of Thailand the use of the army to solve internal disputes is not the correct approach.

Spot on, may I just add that the Army can and has been used in numerous western countries in the past to handle domestic situations.

[TheOldWolf]

Urgent Reuters story of killed Japanese reporter's last video shot of his life @tistoo: RT @Reuters: http://link.reuters.com/zem47j

It seems as if the black clads tried to get rid of him, but were not able to seize the camera which was returned to Reuters by other red shirts then.

Now we have two victims that it is difficult to blame the army for. The cameraman was hit in the cheast and he had the army behind him.

[bankokcrazy]

^indeed I can't see a scenario that Khun T returns in any form or capacity with the govt. Maybe a mascot or cheerleader for the next wave, but I don't think we will ever see him any official capacity.

So what is this all about, surely the man would understand that himself, that there was no way in hel_l he would ever hold office or anyone related to him or connected to him as well.

[onthewire]

Urgent Reuters story of killed Japanese reporter's last video shot of his life @tistoo: RT @Reuters: http://link.reuters.com/zem47j

It seems as if the black clads tried to get rid of him, but were not able to seize the camera which was returned to Reuters by other red shirts then.

just saw the footage thanks..

Beginning to put the big picture together from all different clips...

[elcent]

the mother of a killed red shirt is sad and glad that her son is a hero.

... send her to a mental hospital ...

http://www.reuters.com/news/video/story?vi...;videoChannel=1

[jackspratt]

What would the "third Hand" gain from killing red protesters?

Continuity of the status quo, thus easing the transition from someone who is very popular, to someone who is almost universally abhorred.

And the main winners from this scenario are Thaksin, and the long established institution - with whom Thaksin seems have established an unhealthy (for Thailand) relationship with the next generation.

What a load of bull...

If you are capable, would you care to elaborate on your eloquent contribution.

[way2muchcoffee]

Sorry to point it out but Abhisit's chances of ever being elected PM directly by the people would still be less that a snowflake's in hel_l.

That's probably true. Somehow, after all this, I doubt he would ever want the job again. He was put in an impossible situation. He tried to reduce corruption, implemented a wide range of policies to help the poor, he was raised in a proper democracy and holds those values. He could have been a turning point for Thailand. Alas, it certainly appears that it is all over for him, at least for the foreseeable future.

[way2muchcoffee]

Not in Gen Chavalit eyes. He means PAD. But what would PAD gain from that? They know it will only help the reds.

I wonder how the PAD managed to infiltrate red lines and hand out weapons to the redshirt toughs.

[hpl]

They go on to say that these weapons are used by specially trained gunmen particularly in the army. Hmmm now what does that seem to say ?

That the murders were probably committed by a sniper trained in the Army.

The best sniper in the Army, Major-General Khattiya, AKA Sae Daeng, during his start as a sniper in the Vietnam War

(from his own website sae-daeng.com)

[tgw]

What would the "third Hand" gain from killing red protesters?

Continuity of the status quo, thus easing the transition from someone who is very popular, to someone who is almost universally abhorred.

And the main winners from this scenario are Thaksin, and the long established institution - with whom Thaksin seems have established an unhealthy (for Thailand) relationship with the next generation.

What a load of bull...

If you are capable, would you care to elaborate on your eloquent contribution.

At no moment the scenario you describe is a viable way to achieve such things.

There were much other ways, easier and safer, with guaranteed result.

[bkkjames]

the mother of a killed red shirt is sad and glad that her son is a hero.

... send her to a mental hospital ...

http://www.reuters.com/news/video/story?vi...;videoChannel=1

When kids are looked upon only as retirement assets...

As usual though, its rarely those that put you in harms way ever see harm from it themselves.

Martyrs and heroes are convenient synonyms for those gullible enough.

Been going on since the start of time. Sadly.

[hextac]

I'm still baffled as to why everyone is discussing who shot who, how, and why? But no-one seems to want to talk about THE most graphic video, from the scene, on youtube that was twittered all round the planet.

[hpl]

The best sniper and his buddies:

Hun Sen, Sae Daeng, Thaksin

[fullcave]

Thaksin wins only question remaining is who will be the new PM greeting Thaksin at the airport. It's over folks get over it.

[elcent]

The best sniper and his buddies:

Hun Sen, Sae Daeng, Thaksin

yeah, and the AK47 were smuggled from Cambodia? Costs only $ 50.00 a piece. What about the grenades? Cambodian, Montenegrian connection smuggled stuff?

[JohnLeech]

Anybody see that? I wish I am wrong but if you look carefully, the bullet was shoot from behind (their own Red Shirt people), not from the solider site. so the guy was killed by their own party...what a shame...

There seems to be an awful lot of jumping to conclusions that are then refuted by a newer video/report. All that is clear is that he was shot in the chest, with the bullet exiting his back. Was he turning round? Some of his video follows wounded soldiers being dragged to the rear. How did the reds end up with his camera? etc, etc.

So far, nothing is clear.

Edited April 12, 2010 by JohnLeech

[hpl]

I haven't seen the clips showing gunmen dressed in black roaming through the crowds

Red Shirt Leader Sae Daeng's Black Shirt Ronin Warrior with his AK-47 on April 10