Red-Shirts To Intensify Pressure

[rixalex]

So suddenly your big news was nothing more than some gossip in internet forums?

Not suddenly. I never claimed it was a front page splash on the Bangkok Post. Just that in my circles, both online and offline, it was a matter of discussion. I assumed that as it was alleged to have taken place in Chaing Mai, the members up there would have certainly heard about it. But then again, as i have already stated, perhaps in an area where Thaksin is the home boy hero, it wasn't a topic people wanted to talk about.

In addition a topic of a nature that makes it nearly impossible to talk about in public and of course not in the mainstream media.

Under these circumstances - how you can expect that the law-abiding CM resident CMF knew about it?

It's not impossible to talk about it, just not something that would be done without a degree of discretion and without the danger of being implicated. When the story hit it was initally discussed more freely and i read about it here first and then in some more depth on pantip (if you wish to believe that i simply imagined that or am making it up then that's up to you). Discussion did quite quickly dry up, whether because of lack of substaniating evidence or whether because the topic was venturing into a taboo area i am not certain. I accept that (having just done a search myself) if the story does still exist on the internet, it must be deeply buried.

To repeat, for the last time, i have never made any claim as to the veracity of the story and have no clue as to which parts are fact, which are fiction. I have also never claimed to have a blow by blow account of all the details, including nightclub name, dates, times, picture, names of witnesses, etc. My only claim was that it was a story that did the rounds, including here on Thaivisa, and those of us who have been following the Thaksin saga and everything else that goes along with it over the last few years probably would have heard about it - hence my surprise that CMF hadn't. At no stage did i attack him as you accuse.

My feeling now is that the mods and the other poor souls reading have tolerated enough of this ping-pong debate between your goodself and me. It's neither particularly on-topic nor is it going anywhere. I accept a share of the guilt in that, especially as i started it. Apologies for that. If you wish to carry on this debate you are obviously free to do so but i do not intend to participate. Take that as a victory if you wish.

[animatic]

Army chief should intervene to detain PM: Surapong

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai Party MP Surapong Towijakchaikul on Friday called on Army chief General Anupong Paochinda to "do everything in his power",

such as imposing the house arrest on Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, in order to resolve the political crisis.

"It is now evident about the political failure to resolve the predicament, therefore Anupong must make an urgent decision for a crisis resolution," he said, voicing anger at Abhisit related to the April 10 violence and the last night's grenade attacks at Silom.

Surapong suggested for Anupong to step in to restore normalcy but stop short of staging a coup which he said was unacceptable.

Well what part of putting the PM under house arrest is NOT a coup?

That IS a coup d'etat AKA cutting off the head of government.

So there you have it folks a PTP MP Surapong Towijakchaikul,

blatantly calls on Gen. Anupong to arrest The Prime Minister.

What part of this being treason does this MP not understand.

These PTP pratts are not fit to run a country because they

can't even understand the basics of law, let alone MAKE laws.

Edited April 23, 2010 by animatic

[chantorn]

Army chief should intervene to detain PM: Surapong

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai Party MP Surapong Towijakchaikul on Friday called on Army chief General Anupong Paochinda to "do everything in his power",

such as imposing the house arrest on Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, in order to resolve the political crisis.

"It is now evident about the political failure to resolve the predicament, therefore Anupong must make an urgent decision for a crisis resolution," he said, voicing anger at Abhisit related to the April 10 violence and the last night's grenade attacks at Silom.

Surapong suggested for Anupong to step in to restore normalcy but stop short of staging a coup which he said was unacceptable.

Well what part of putting the PM under house arrest is NOT a coup?

That IS a coup d'etat AKA cutting off the head of government.

So there you have it folks a PTP MP Surapong Towijakchaikul,

blatantly calls on Gen. Anupong to arrest The Prime Minister.

What part of this being treason does this MP not understand.

These PTP pratts are not fit to run a country because they

can't even understand the basics of law, let alone MAKE laws.

Is there a written request, or just some dog barking?

[elcent]

CONFESSION FROM ONE CULPRIT

-- The Nation

Tharit Pengdit, director general of department of special investigation, said Methee Amornwuttikul, who was arrested on Thursday, confessed that he and his team involved in the clash with the troops at Si Yak Kok Woe intersection.

During the clashes, he and his team snatched weapons, including rifles, from soldiers.

"At first Methee claimed that he distributed the weapons to many people and did not keep any. However after arresting him on Thursday, we found a weapon in his car," he said. Methee then retracted his statements.

He also said that the red shirts protesters used heavy weapons to shoot the soldiers.

Methee also revealed sources of the heavy weapons used in the clashes.

Tharit quoted Methee in a TV-pool programme aired on Friday as saying he was one of the red shirts' core leader and had attended meetings of the core leaders many times at a disclosed location.

Red shirts leader Nuttawut Saikua said Thursday that Methee was simply an ally of the movement and had no role of controlling and planning the protest.

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[hammered]

Army chief should intervene to detain PM: Surapong

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai Party MP Surapong Towijakchaikul on Friday called on Army chief General Anupong Paochinda to "do everything in his power",

such as imposing the house arrest on Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, in order to resolve the political crisis.

"It is now evident about the political failure to resolve the predicament, therefore Anupong must make an urgent decision for a crisis resolution," he said, voicing anger at Abhisit related to the April 10 violence and the last night's grenade attacks at Silom.

Surapong suggested for Anupong to step in to restore normalcy but stop short of staging a coup which he said was unacceptable.

Well what part of putting the PM under house arrest is a coup?

That IS a coup d'etat AKA cutting off the head of government.

So there you have it folks a PTP MP Surapong Towijakchaikul,

blatantly calls on Gen. Anupong to arrest The Prime Minister.

What part of this being treason does this MP not understand.

These PTP pratts are not fit to run a country because they

can't even understand the basics of law, let alone MAKE laws.

Surapong has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer. I await his call for Anupong to immediatley seize the UDD leadership after Methee said they ordered the armed attack on the army on April 10 as surely what is good for Abhisit who oredered the army in is good for those who ordered the black shrits in. Somehow though I dont think Surapong will suddenly become a poltical neutral but just continue to play the partisan game. Good for a laugh though. We shoulkd also bear in mind that right now nobody really knows what happened on April 10 and everyone is trying to frame it to fit their story. Reality is not important in this little PR game

When is a coup not a coup? When it is done to aid PTP/reds/Thaksin

We really could do with less partisan rubbish and more calm middle of the road assessment. If lucky maybe Veera will actually break ranks with the other red leaders and someone form the other side could do likewise

[animatic]

When is a coup not a coup?

When it is to recoup your lost cash and power.

[elcent]

AND NOW THIS!

-- The Nation Foreign envoys of 40 countries will visit the red shirts protesters at Rajprasong rally sites, red shirts leader Nuttawut Saikua said Friday.

The visit scheduled on 4pm clearly showed that the reds' fighting for democracy has been monitored by the international community.

Nuttawut said if PM Abhisit Vejjajiva wanted to disperse the red shirts protesters, he should have it done during the diplomats' visit.

He told the protesters to be a good host by cleaning up the rally sites from Lumpini Park to Ploenjit intersection to welcome the guests.

He siad he would invite the diplomats to be on stage during the visit.

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

THERE'S MUCH AT STAKE!

[rixalex]

If lucky maybe Veera will actually break ranks with the other red leaders and someone form the other side could do likewise

Veera does seem the most moderate and sensible of all of them, but if he separated from the pack i don't think he would last long. The reds would turn on him and label him a traitor.

[quiksilva]

When is a coup not a coup?

When it is to recoup your lost cash and power.

Spot on.

[elcent]

If lucky maybe Veera will actually break ranks with the other red leaders and someone form the other side could do likewise

Veera does seem the most moderate and sensible of all of them, but if he separated from the pack i don't think he would last long. The reds would turn on him and label him a traitor.

A LITTLE TO LATE FOR VEERA NOW. HE WAS PART OF THE TREASON CAMPAIGN AS A CORE LEADER.

[rixalex]

If lucky maybe Veera will actually break ranks with the other red leaders and someone form the other side could do likewise

Veera does seem the most moderate and sensible of all of them, but if he separated from the pack i don't think he would last long. The reds would turn on him and label him a traitor.

A LITTLE TO LATE FOR VEERA NOW. HE WAS PART OF THE TREASON CAMPAIGN AS A CORE LEADER.

True, but if we are searching for angels in all this we might be here a while. Better to choose the best of the worst now than get lumbered with the worst of the worst later.

All a bit moot though as unless the person has Thaksin's backing, they won't get far.

[Netfan]

If lucky maybe Veera will actually break ranks with the other red leaders and someone form the other side could do likewise

Veera does seem the most moderate and sensible of all of them, but if he separated from the pack i don't think he would last long. The reds would turn on him and label him a traitor.

A LITTLE TO LATE FOR VEERA NOW. HE WAS PART OF THE TREASON CAMPAIGN AS A CORE LEADER.

True, but if we are searching for angels in all this we might be here a while. Better to choose the best of the worst now than get lumbered with the worst of the worst later.

All a bit moot though as unless the person has Thaksin's backing, they won't get far.

True, any leader who breaks ranks will not be speaking for the ones causing the problems now. Veera could agree to anything but it would have no impact on the group sitting in Lumphini.

[elcent]

let's recap

At least 65000 lost their job directly. Up to 2000000 will lose the job indirectly. Not to mention the loss of business cancellations which are coming in massively now.

The red leaders planned and acted out a treason campaign on behalf of Thaksin and their self ambitions.

Today 40 countries send diplomats to the rally side.

What shall they tell them? They could easily land in a hot-bed. - It's probably the last ditch effort to calm the situation which I believe will not happen. I'd be glad if I was wrong.

Lots of empty talking about national unity, whilst the army and police force are the ones with the cracks. Even though unity amongst executive forces can be enforced by law and respective command lines, why does this not happen?

Abhisit is under voluntary house arrest because the army can't effort another coup so they keep him as a decoration.

In the end, the army leadership and police forces will get the mickey for not providing assistance to restore law and order (there are good top brass and cops, but the whole pudding is spoiled)

[elcent]

My opinion is that the rural people need to get rid off their leaders and create a real movement backed up by law which basically is there already.

Everything else will fail.

Remember, we all fall short of glory of any kind and we all live by grace and not by self proclaimed self glorifying individuals trying to trick you into the abyss.

[animatic]

If lucky maybe Veera will actually break ranks with the other red leaders and someone form the other side could do likewise

Veera does seem the most moderate and sensible of all of them, but if he separated from the pack i don't think he would last long. The reds would turn on him and label him a traitor.

A LITTLE TO LATE FOR VEERA NOW. HE WAS PART OF THE TREASON CAMPAIGN AS A CORE LEADER.

Yes.

To not win totally is to go down alone, or in a group.

But it is to lose the whole ballgame, and likely your freedom.

Veera HAS done time for similar in the past. IICRC

Edited April 23, 2010 by animatic

[ozzieman05]

I’m sorry to ask a potentially very “blond” question, but is someone able to explain to me why the protestors are free to roam around as they please, why people, food, water etc. can be brought to Rajprasong intersection without problem at all? Why are the protestors controlling road blocks around this are rather than the police? Why aren’t the protestors cut off any supply incl. the freedom to come and go as they please? I still can’t get my head around this…

You will soon get to realise when you have been in Thailand for a while

GOOD THAIS HATE CONFRINTATION

[rabo]

TAN network: INN: Civil Court grants injunction which prevents PM from using force to disperse red shirt rally

Wooohooo

And today they reversed that.

consistant then

I think the reversal was along the lines of "However, if you need too....."

Thai style, all sides got something nice, nothing changed.

[animatic]

My opinion is that the rural people need to get rid off their leaders and create a real movement backed up by law which basically is there already.

Everything else will fail.

Remember, we all fall short of glory of any kind and we all live by grace and not by self proclaimed self glorifying individuals trying to trick you into the abyss.

Sadly the 'Rural Movement', to give it a decent name, will be hamstrung for some time ,

by the deeply entrenched lies told so long and hard by red leaders. The actual real people in the north

wanting to improve things will not get their due consideration until their political platforms

are cleaned of the lies and disinformation / indoctrination, that they have been sold so long and pointedly.

As long a 'Red Academy' indoctrination leads the movement, it will face the same stone wall.

Everybody identifies with someone more like themselves,

but how can you expect a typical issan farmer or day laborer, or back country lawyer, to

deal effectively with international leaders,

and do deals with international conglomerates,

Negotiate fair trade agreements.

Imagine Jatuporn negotiating NAFTA with Obama....

Veera in tete a tete with Nick Sarkozy

or Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama of Japan

They just don't have the skills set.

So while they might play well or even fabulously back up country, in the real nuts and bolts

of running a nation they will be doomed, with the nation, to fail spectacularly.

Country's must elect based on the job to be done,

not on 'good old boy affability'... because then you get a George Bush...

Remember how much Bush and Samak accomplished together....

Someone post a list here of those achievements.

Edited April 23, 2010 by animatic

[ozzieman05]

It seems there ha been great effort to keep Taskin's name away from this mess we are in

This is giving me withdrawal symptoms

so to help me out her goes

Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin

Thank you I feel so much better now

[yoshiwara]

It seems there ha been great effort to keep Taskin's name away from this mess we are in

This is giving me withdrawal symptoms

so to help me out her goes

Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin

Thank you I feel so much better now

That is because the red cheerleaders are too busy deciding which camp to jump into:

The camp which denies that the latest violence is caused by the reds. (Who threw that bomb?)

and

The camp which supports the violence (the elites had it coming to them)

When you have Clint Eastwood and Che Guevara on the same team.

The wires can get a little crossed.

[Casuarina]

may i know why all the news in the media is so biased?

For anyone who wish to know about the inside story......go pick up a book called TKNS by Paul Handley in Singapore Airport.

[elcent]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

[animatic]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

[elcent]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

I think it was made up by authorities to get inspectors in but never ever diplomatic corps. That would spark political troubles in there respective home countries. Brilliant move and face losing for the red leaders.

[ChiangMaiFun]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

helped make more like it...

[melbpete]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

I think it was made up by authorities to get inspectors in but never ever diplomatic corps. That would spark political troubles in there respective home countries. Brilliant move and face losing for the red leaders.

The 40 of them should go in there and then split up. The protestors would have a hard time hiding everything they have in there.

[pornsasi]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

The mess he and his junta friends are largely responsible for

[pornsasi]

Ah finally the right thread to hear my daily dose of red bashing

[melbpete]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

The mess he and his junta friends are largely responsible for

How is he responsible for a bunch of thugs trying to get their corrupt leader back into power?

[elcent]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

I think it was made up by authorities to get inspectors in but never ever diplomatic corps. That would spark political troubles in there respective home countries. Brilliant move and face losing for the red leaders.

The 40 of them should go in there and then split up. The protestors would have a hard time hiding everything they have in there.

there will never be a visit as stated. The trick was to get in some security personal to to make assessments of strategic deployed weaponry. It must be over by now. Findings will be considered when the real crack-down sets in.