Inner Tubes?

[frankie52]

My good lady has recently developed a habit of pucturing tyres in my (our) Vigo. I have been searching in vain for inner tubes to put in these punctured tyres but they seem to be impossible to find. My good lady suggests that now, whenever you get a puncture, you purchase a new tyre! I cannot believe that is the case so would appreciate any help anyone can give on where to find an inner tube to suit a 265x70 R16 tyre. If this were in Isaan, where I am, it would be even greater.

Many, many thanks in advance.

[Crossy]

Tubeless tyres are easily fixed at any of the roadside tyre fixers, nominal fee. Look for a motorcycle or car tyre nailed to a convenient tree.

If the tyre is too far gone for a repair then installing a tube would likely be dangerous.

[Jangot]

Putting tubes into a tubeless tyre, especially a radial ply tyre, will cause it to run hot and could cause carcass failure.

[katabeachbum]

Putting tubes into a tubeless tyre, especially a radial ply tyre, will cause it to run hot and could cause carcass failure.

seconded

max speed 80kmh if you install tubes, and even at that speed it may explode when airtemp is 35C

[frankie52]

Thanks for the replies and suggestions.

I've already tried the repair option only to suffer a rapid deflation on a 'repaired' front wheel at a speed in excess of 100kph, all hail to Toyota steering geometry no deviation, so would rather opt for the inner tube option.

This being the option I have used a number of times before and am still here to tell the tale despite having travelled considerable distances at speeds well in excess of 80kph.

[alfieconn]

Thanks for the replies and suggestions.

I've already tried the repair option only to suffer a rapid deflation on a 'repaired' front wheel at a speed in excess of 100kph, all hail to Toyota steering geometry no deviation, so would rather opt for the inner tube option.

This being the option I have used a number of times before and am still here to tell the tale despite having travelled considerable distances at speeds well in excess of 80kph.

Perhaps you have just been lucky, if posters are advising not to use inner tubes on tyres i would certainly heed there advise as paying for a new tyre is far less expensive and inconvenient than your car being bashed and you spending a few nights in hospital .

[katabeachbum]

Thanks for the replies and suggestions.

I've already tried the repair option only to suffer a rapid deflation on a 'repaired' front wheel at a speed in excess of 100kph, all hail to Toyota steering geometry no deviation, so would rather opt for the inner tube option.

This being the option I have used a number of times before and am still here to tell the tale despite having travelled considerable distances at speeds well in excess of 80kph.

by mistake my tubeless tyres had innertubes installed approx 25 years ago. one front tyre blew up at 120 kmh. tubelss tyres with tubes dont puncture slowly like a tubeless, they explode. due to the friction between tubelss tyre surface and tube. exploding tyre on a car/pickup (4 wheels only) usually end really bad. thus illegal in most countries.

IN EU speedlimit for a vehicle with legal tubes is 80 kmh.

[frankie52]

On the premise that I accept full responsibility for the outcome of my actions, whatever they may be, I return to my original question which is can anybody suggest where I might find an inner tube to suit a 265x70 R16 tyre?

[tb86]

On the premise that I accept full responsibility for the outcome of my actions, whatever they may be, I return to my original question which is can anybody suggest where I might find an inner tube to suit a 265x70 R16 tyre?

have you considered buying a tire with multiple ply layers,,instead of the 2 ply at street tires?

[Jangot]

Well now,

My previous response was based on "knowledge" that I have carried with me for more decades than I care to think.

Time to review if I have basis for the opinion, or is it urban legend passed on from my father.

So, I googled 'inner tubes in tubeless tyres'. Many pages of results.

1. The most logical sounding reasons I found for advocating not using are:

2. Tube /tyre friction causes heat build can lead to carcass failure.

3. Tubeless tyres inner surface is produced rough (Tubed tyre inner surface produced smooth to accommodate the tube). The rough surface abrades the tube, wearing it thin and causing blowout. (this can happen within a few hundred miles - reportedly.

4. 'Tubeless' alloy wheels have inner surface of the rim rough, causing abrasion as above.

5. Some 'tubeless' wheels have a deep rim well, the tube has to stretch excessively to contour into this, causing weakness.

6. Some say it is "against the law"...but I saw no-one quote any specific law in any specific country.

On the other hand, there are as many folk in the google 'hits' who say it is OK, they have done it for years without problem.

And apparently the Landrover handbook says it is OK !!

No idea if there is any law about it in Thailand. If there is, it could have insurance implications.

Would be worth some research.

Personally, I would not do it. If a properly applied vulcanised plug repair will not fix the puncture, I would replace the tyre.

Cheers,

J

EDIT. Frankie, sorry, was typing the above before seeing your "Just want to know where to find a tube" post. Ignore my droning on, but I will leave it there as it may interest someone.

If/when you do find a tube, it will be interesting if you report back any opinions of the tyre fitter guy.

Cheers.

[katabeachbum]

On the premise that I accept full responsibility for the outcome of my actions, whatever they may be, I return to my original question which is can anybody suggest where I might find an inner tube to suit a 265x70 R16 tyre?

dimesions of tyre to use tubes are usually different, and you will probably not find a tube for 70 profile S (180 kmh) radial tyre. closest fit will probably be 10,5 x 16 tubes, most likely to be found in a tyre shop for big trucks/lorries. if not ask at Hino or Isuzu truck dealers.

a proper repair/plugging of your tyre, is to take it off the rim and plug it from the inside. if less than 3mm tread left, repair wont last, and tyre is dangerous to use in rain anyway

[katabeachbum]

On the premise that I accept full responsibility for the outcome of my actions, whatever they may be, I return to my original question which is can anybody suggest where I might find an inner tube to suit a 265x70 R16 tyre?

have you considered buying a tire with multiple ply layers,,instead of the 2 ply at street tires?

this is a multiple layer on/off road tyre (if original Vigo its Michelin Cross country or Bridgestone Dueller), probably fitted to a Vigo 4x4, able to carry approx 900kg each at 180 kmh. a sturdy tyre, easy to repair if done properly

[katabeachbum]

If the tyre was punctured in the side wall, any where past the tread, it's a new tyre, in the tread can be repaired. Cannot run tubes in a tubeless designed tyre.

these tyres are so strong in the sidewalls, I would try a repair there too if pickup not used loaded and at speeds less than 120kmh. but any repair must be done from inside. outside plugging has been illegal in EU for a decade

[frankie52]

Many different and differing suggestions and opinions all of which are most welcome. I particularly thank "Jangot" who I see has done some research.

However despite what everybody may suggest or recommend I have made the decision to fit an inner tube if I can find one. I will then re-fit the repaired tyre/wheel to the rear to reduce the chance of steering deviation should it fail although when the previous tyre failed, on the nearside front, the vehicle continued in virtually a straight line and I had to physically drive it to the side of the road.

[katabeachbum]

Many different and differing suggestions and opinions all of which are most welcome. I particularly thank "Jangot" who I see has done some research.

However despite what everybody may suggest or recommend I have made the decision to fit an inner tube if I can find one. I will then re-fit the repaired tyre/wheel to the rear to reduce the chance of steering deviation should it fail although when the previous tyre failed, on the nearside front, the vehicle continued in virtually a straight line and I had to physically drive it to the side of the road.

that was a tubeless tyre puncture, these are always slow and drivable for couple of hundred meters. tubeless tyres with tube explode, tyre left behinde. seen on occasions roadside on 24 wheelers, and in any movie having exploding tyres

[frankie52]

Many different and differing suggestions and opinions all of which are most welcome. I particularly thank "Jangot" who I see has done some research.

However despite what everybody may suggest or recommend I have made the decision to fit an inner tube if I can find one. I will then re-fit the repaired tyre/wheel to the rear to reduce the chance of steering deviation should it fail although when the previous tyre failed, on the nearside front, the vehicle continued in virtually a straight line and I had to physically drive it to the side of the road.

that was a tubeless tyre puncture, these are always slow and drivable for couple of hundred meters. tubeless tyres with tube explode, tyre left behinde. seen on occasions roadside on 24 wheelers, and in any movie having exploding tyres

Actually it was a "repaired" tubeless tyre puncture, I suspect it was the "repair" that failed, and as the tye deflated it also shredded so wasn't really drivable for any distance.

[katabeachbum]

Many different and differing suggestions and opinions all of which are most welcome. I particularly thank "Jangot" who I see has done some research.

However despite what everybody may suggest or recommend I have made the decision to fit an inner tube if I can find one. I will then re-fit the repaired tyre/wheel to the rear to reduce the chance of steering deviation should it fail although when the previous tyre failed, on the nearside front, the vehicle continued in virtually a straight line and I had to physically drive it to the side of the road.

that was a tubeless tyre puncture, these are always slow and drivable for couple of hundred meters. tubeless tyres with tube explode, tyre left behinde. seen on occasions roadside on 24 wheelers, and in any movie having exploding tyres

Actually it was a "repaired" tubeless tyre puncture, I suspect it was the "repair" that failed, and as the tye deflated it also shredded so wasn't really drivable for any distance.

but it was still a tyre deflating, not exploding like a tubeless tyre with tube does

[frankie52]

Many different and differing suggestions and opinions all of which are most welcome. I particularly thank "Jangot" who I see has done some research.

However despite what everybody may suggest or recommend I have made the decision to fit an inner tube if I can find one. I will then re-fit the repaired tyre/wheel to the rear to reduce the chance of steering deviation should it fail although when the previous tyre failed, on the nearside front, the vehicle continued in virtually a straight line and I had to physically drive it to the side of the road.

that was a tubeless tyre puncture, these are always slow and drivable for couple of hundred meters. tubeless tyres with tube explode, tyre left behinde. seen on occasions roadside on 24 wheelers, and in any movie having exploding tyres

Actually it was a "repaired" tubeless tyre puncture, I suspect it was the "repair" that failed, and as the tye deflated it also shredded so wasn't really drivable for any distance.

but it was still a tyre deflating, not exploding like a tubeless tyre with tube does

Strange, as I have had punctures in my motorcyle tubed tyres and not one of them has exploded, merely deflated.

[frankie52]

UPDATE:

The tube, which I had sent from England at the end of January, has finally arrived.

I had assumed it had been liberated en route but no it is here.

I will get it fitted as I had always intended and if you hear nothing further from me on this matter you will know that the prophets of doom were correct, that the tyre has exploded and launched me (and the car) into the ether.

However if that's not the case I will report back in a few weeks/months to let all know how successful it has been.

[MoonRiverOasis]

Is there any particular reason why you don't just swap the spare for the now tubed tyre?

[Gary A]

Quite often the bead on a tubeless tire will be damaged by careless dismounting or defective equipment. Once the bead is torn or damaged, the standard practice is to put a tube in that tire. The only problem doing that, is if punctured, the tire will deflate faster than a tubeless tire. That happens because air leaks through the valve stem as well as the puncture. Friction? Once the tire is inflated, the tube essentially becomes part of the tire itself. The tube is more flexible than the tire anyways and as long as it inflated there s absolutely no movement between the tire and the tube.

Added - I'd say that the tube is actually safer for the simple reason that a puncture will go down quickly. A puncture in a tubeless tire will go down slowly and the driver will not know he has a problem until the tire gets hot and comes apart.