Bangkok: Policeman Killed, 7 Policemen, 2 Civilians Injured In Double Attacks

[shawndoc]

This was obviously an attempt to stir things up and derail the progress made towards resolution, and I see already TV posters are falling for it. Whether its militant reds or yellows, or greens, we can't let progress be derailed.

[rabo]

Thais hate Thais but they need to live on the same land. There are no good Thais or bad Thais, there are only Thais who need A NEW POLITICAL system to live together peacefully.

This is the most illogical and ill informed statement I have ever heard. Just because <your nationality> hates <your nationality> and need <your chosen political system> to live together peacefully.

[bagheera65]

Sadly looks like one faction or another does not want the current stand off to end and is looking for more blood.

Look in direction of Sae Daeng and his "army" of thugs and you'll probably find who is behind these new killings.

Edited May 8, 2010 by bagheera65

[dogleg]

How many police and army are stationed around Silom? These people got away on motorbikes.

Yes, it seems a shrug of the shoulders is the best response! You'd think the media would at least ask this question too. &lt;deleted&gt;?

[jcbangkok]

Pay back from the yellows for police not doing their job or red shirts trying to cause chaos so they can move weapons out of the area.

[rabo]

The redshirts are on the verge of getting what they want. It is more much likely that it is someone else who wants to disrupt the peacetrain.

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun UG,

Agree with you: it could have been some other group, but prudence suggests it would be wise, here, not to speculate on all the possible "third-hands" in the frame, behind the scenes, under the rug, in the attic, in the basement, in the closet, etc.

If this is the "peacetrain," we fear its engine runs on human blood, its destination is chaos, and the schedule does not exist because we never know when it either stops or starts. All we can know is that we are riding in the "caboose," and the train is so long, and going around such a long curve, that we can never even see the loco-motive.

sadly, ~o:37;

Well said!

[Phuket Stan]

UG is probabaly not far of with his reply makes sense to me.

Condolences to the victims.

I suspect the Investagative teams will be on the scene as usual taking pictures putting numbers all around the spent cartridge cases.while they wait for that lady with the spiky multi coloured hair to turn up from forensics with her rubber gloves and tweezers putting little bits of evidece in plastic bags,

then i would presume with in a week they will have a culprit or two, or i this hoping for to much.

Come on you guys please solve some thing

Dont knock the spiky multi coloured haired lady " Khun Porntip" ....she has more b**ls than most of the police and the rest of the services..... the police command loathe her because she has found so much flawed evidence presented by the police in the past ....possibly if there were more like her then this current protest would not be happening...and dont forget the amazing work she and her faithful staff did after the tsunami....."Khun Porntip" is an amazing lady and highly respected in international circles by her peers

[Humungus]

The PM now has a chance to solidify his supporters. Regardless whether this is the work of the reds or another faction their very presence on the streets made this attack possible. It is time to end the protests. The PM ought to freeze the roadmap and only negotiate after the protesters have left. They should be given 4 hours to begin dispersing on their own and then the police should move in. Negotiating with terrorists is useless. The reds had a chance to have elections and leave as the winners, they chose to stay and that decision has resulted in more deaths. If they had left the police would have left as well. The attacks have all the traits of a red guard attack. They have allowed themselves to fall under suspicion. Until there is law and order, no more negotiations, the reds should not issue any more demands, they have no credibility.

[shawndoc]

I'm leaning towards thinking it wasn't the reds who did this, as it appears the police were the ones targeted. The police are generally considered to be on the reds side, and a lot of people believe the current stand off only exists because the police failed to due their job and enforce the law.

I'd think a red faction would be more likely to target the army, as that seems to be where most of their animosity is aimed.

Also the red leaders have been inching towards ending things, where the PAD wants a brutal crack down.

[OILMAN13]

When you allow a billionaire to finance a "construction" (look it up) such as the red shirts protest and the situation ends up with a relatively reasonable ( and I say that givingly ) compromise, the billionaire is not a

happy camper. These attacks are obviously planned and paid for by Toxin's men. Be prepared for a lot more of these kinds of attacks. This meglo-maniac is a sore loser.

[gymboy33]

I'm leaning towards thinking it wasn't the reds who did this, as it appears the police were the ones targeted. The police are generally considered to be on the reds side, and a lot of people believe the current stand off only exists because the police failed to due their job and enforce the law.

I'd think a red faction would be more likely to target the army, as that seems to be where most of their animosity is aimed.

Also the red leaders have been inching towards ending things, where the PAD wants a brutal crack down.

some good valid points there..

always best not jump to conclusions, like some ppl do...

[Ulysses G.]

Also the red leaders have been inching towards ending things, where the PAD wants a brutal crack down.

Yes, this is a possibility. The "second hand" has to be considered as well.

[jcbangkok]

Those responsible should face the death penalty but cannot help but believe that had the reds not taken to the streets in such a lawless and violent fashion this and MANY of the other attacks around BKK would never have happened. I don't think I am the only one to think like this and believe the reds are doomed. These morons should have taken the offer the PM gave about elections before the end of the year back before all the death, injuries and violence. So, in my book, the reds have responsibility in this regardless if they actually carried out the attack.

Edited May 8, 2010 by jcbangkok

[vicco]

Here we go again. Someone gets hurt or killed and the anti-red bandwagon is in full song. Has to be the reds...no other explanation is possible. Only the reds

can do drive-by shooting. It was not that long ago when this same bandwagon was saying 'you can't negotiate with terrorists' But negotiations have taken

place and some agreements have been reached. Things have been coming together in small increments.....that's how negotiations work!!!!

Now that a possible solution seems close and things have been looking up....who wants to torpedo the whole thing........the Yellowshirts....Abhisit has to step down

according to them. It is them that does not want to negotiate. If they had their way there would never be another election, this year or next year on any other year.

They are terrified of an election because they are terrified that somebody might bring down their ivory towers and maybe they might have to give up at least a bit

of their power and wealth to the rest of the country. Democracy is a one way street in the land of Yellow.

[Humungus]

What does a man like Seh Daeng have to look forward to under the roadmap? Discharge from the army and probably a jail term. It is quite possible he isn't willing to give in and wait for elections. The reds have the weapons and easily could be responsible. The yellows also have motive to disrupt the peace plan. Unless the streets are cleared and weapons seized there is the possibility of more senseless violence.

[Deeral]

Here's another rambling thread blaming the "REDS".

Be clear in a situation like this, there will be many "loony" factions on BOTH sides who think that by engaging in this sort of stuff that they will stir things up or achieve some obscure aims.

This site has taken to screaming anti-Resshirt slogans rather than making constructive comments on the situation - as most of the posters are probably ex-pats surely they would do themselves a favor if they stood back and took a dispassionate look at the situation rather than engage in partisan rantings and baseless accusations.

I've said it before on this site, Im increasingly astounded by the incredibly infantile comments that the expat community is capable of on this site.

[jcbangkok]

I'm leaning towards thinking it wasn't the reds who did this, as it appears the police were the ones targeted. The police are generally considered to be on the reds side, and a lot of people believe the current stand off only exists because the police failed to due their job and enforce the law.

I'd think a red faction would be more likely to target the army, as that seems to be where most of their animosity is aimed.

Also the red leaders have been inching towards ending things, where the PAD wants a brutal crack down.

some good valid points there..

always best not jump to conclusions, like some ppl do...

Lets not forget that the red leaders have been doing everything possible to get the authorities to crack down and turn this into a violent blood bath. I really haven't seen much except for a bunch of contradictions, threats and accusations from the reds since the PM announced the road map. Their goal this entire time has been to see their people get slaughtered to gain sympathy and portray the PM and gov't as ruthless thugs who don't see the poor as real people.

Edited May 8, 2010 by jcbangkok

[lazurus]

Those responsible should face the death penalty but cannot help but believe that had the reds not taken to the streets in such a lawless and violent fashion this and MANY of the other attacks around BKK would never have happened. I don't think I am the only one to think like this and believe the reds are doomed. These morons should have taken the offer the PM gave about elections before the end of the year back before all the death, injuries and violence. So, in my book, the reds have responsibility in this regardless if they actually carried out the attack.

I agree the reds could have moved on and showed they were serious about peace, but they want more attention so they stayed on putting these police in danger. Part of the responsibility for their deaths rests on the reds shoulders. Like the boy who cried wolf the reds will continue to deny they did it, whether it's true or not everyone stopped listening a long time ago. When you violate the rights of your fellow citizens and make demands of course you will make them angry. Time for the PM to end the situation, then the roadmap can start.

Of course the reds know that any attacks now can be blamed on the yellows so that gives them a free pass to launch attacks. Yellows know that suspicion will fall on the reds and may disrupt the elections so they have motive too. It just makes things more dangerous since everyone can point the finger at the opposite side.

The reds are like someone who robs a bank and instead of making a getaway they stay to deposit the money and are surprised when things go wrong.

Edited May 8, 2010 by lazurus

[jcbangkok]

Here we go again. Someone gets hurt or killed and the anti-red bandwagon is in full song. Has to be the reds...no other explanation is possible. Only the reds

can do drive-by shooting. It was not that long ago when this same bandwagon was saying 'you can't negotiate with terrorists' But negotiations have taken

place and some agreements have been reached. Things have been coming together in small increments.....that's how negotiations work!!!!

Now that a possible solution seems close and things have been looking up....who wants to torpedo the whole thing........the Yellowshirts....Abhisit has to step down

according to them. It is them that does not want to negotiate. If they had their way there would never be another election, this year or next year on any other year.

They are terrified of an election because they are terrified that somebody might bring down their ivory towers and maybe they might have to give up at least a bit

of their power and wealth to the rest of the country. Democracy is a one way street in the land of Yellow.

FACT: If the reds had not taken to the streets in such a lawless and violent manner .. this would not have happened.

No matter what way you slice this, the reds have responsibility in this.

[BigSkip]

So Sad...............I thought this was over

[mike44]

Extremely sad.

It is inconceivable to me that a "ride by" shooting could have occurred without certain parties looking the other way. I ate in Soi Convent last night and left at 10.00pm. There were fully armed soldiers and police stationed every 10m or so down Silom and there were also few people around compared with a usual friday night.

Whether one agrees or not with the demonstrators, it is fairly clear that the demonstrators should leave now to avoid further confrontation in the hope that the road map leads to reconciliation and stability. The demonstrators can always return if the road map turns out to be a mirage.

[ozzieman05]

Thais hate Thais but they need to live on the same land. There are no good Thais or bad Thais, there are only Thais who need A NEW POLITICAL system to live together peacefully.

This is nothing to do with Political parties

This is just plain and simple criminal murder

Its time you sweetie pies got off your soap boxs

These people are sons, husbands and fathers

They did not ask to die they are just doing their jobs

It time for those asking for problems to face the results of their actions

My wife is Thai, and she with all their friends say same same

Clean the cancer off the street now, you have to sacrifice the bad so the good can live

Give peace a chance, give Thailand a chance, pussy boy tactics will not solve this problem

[Robby nz]

Those responsible should face the death penalty but cannot help but believe that had the reds not taken to the streets in such a lawless and violent fashion this and MANY of the other attacks around BKK would never have happened. I don't think I am the only one to think like this and believe the reds are doomed. These morons should have taken the offer the PM gave about elections before the end of the year back before all the death, injuries and violence. So, in my book, the reds have responsibility in this regardless if they actually carried out the attack.

Agree completely. Been saying that for a long time the start of it all was the reds decision to be there everything, all the deaths, injuried, destruction is a consequence of that decision.

[Robby nz]

Here we go again. Someone gets hurt or killed and the anti-red bandwagon is in full song. Has to be the reds...no other explanation is possible. Only the reds

can do drive-by shooting. It was not that long ago when this same bandwagon was saying 'you can't negotiate with terrorists' But negotiations have taken

place and some agreements have been reached. Things have been coming together in small increments.....that's how negotiations work!!!!

Now that a possible solution seems close and things have been looking up....who wants to torpedo the whole thing........the Yellowshirts....Abhisit has to step down

according to them. It is them that does not want to negotiate. If they had their way there would never be another election, this year or next year on any other year.

They are terrified of an election because they are terrified that somebody might bring down their ivory towers and maybe they might have to give up at least a bit

of their power and wealth to the rest of the country. Democracy is a one way street in the land of Yellow.

Yes hear we go again.... The yellowshirts did it, the yellowshirts did it Baa, Baa, Baa

[chrisbkk10900]

Really sad. But the question remains who will have an advantage from this new act of violance? The Police is considerate as "Red Friendly". So why should the Reds ambush the Police? It smells a bit fishy to me. It could well be that the Group who reject the so called road map is interested to cause chaos and trouble and blame it on the Reds. Just a thought...

[Luciano1860]

...RED FACED TERRORIST COWARDS...GOD BLESS THE SOULS OF THE GOOD MEN WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THEIR COUNTRY...

[jcbangkok]

You know what boggles my mind is that there has been all these bombs and attacks that have come to BKK ever since the reds arrived but they say it is not them as do many of they sympathizers here. But the reds really haven't shown too much condemnation about any of these attacks. In fact, after the grenade attack on the sky train they simply said it was not them and then went on to dance and celebrate. I am still waiting for them to speak out and express concerns over the victims of that attack.

And then the other thing is, they simply refuse to go home or change their tactics despite their knowing it has brought such violence to Thailand ... So, common sense tells me they are behind, at least, the vast number of these attacks and bombs. The only reason one would doubt this is because it is so obviously them that you would think it can't be them because it would mean they are incredibly stupid. Then one just needs to look at everyone of their moves to realize they are incredibly stupid.

Edited May 8, 2010 by jcbangkok

[wikiwiki]

Few remember that the Reds took in the Communists at the beginning of all of this in order to get their numbers up. Ya think those folks have an agenda?

[Xangsamhua]

Also the red leaders have been inching towards ending things, where the PAD wants a brutal crack down.

Yes, this is a possibility. The "second hand" has to be considered as well.

Very unlikely, but has to be put up there with all the possibilities until eliminated. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the PAD, however, knows that firing M-79s etc is simply not their modus operandi. It has, however, been the MO of the Reds since way back.

[CosmicSurfer]

Maybe if the police did their jobs there would be less weapons on the streets, true criminals and terrorists would be locked away, and life could be normal again. I don't blame anyone for this except the police and their total incompetence and TREASON... they took an Oath to support and enforce the Law. They have been ordered to do just that. If they refuse to obey.. or obey unlawful orders from "Superiors" that disregard the Orders of the Prime Minister, then they themselves are guilty!

They are no better than the Thugs they are supporting by their inaction, and don't deserve any sympathy as "innocent" bystanders.. The are accomplices, not innocent. And until they start acting in a responsible manner, they deserve what ever happens to them. They don't have an option to choose sides.. They MUST follow the law, whatever their personal feelings or opinions. And if their Superiors are complicit in illegal acts of Treason, or not following orders, they they MUST rebel and arrest those leaders... or be tarred by the same brush.

No Sympathy to any but the truly innocent here. The Police have no option to just stand by. Their job requires them to act. If by their own inaction they have become targets for others, then Som Nam Nah... They have brought it upon themselves!

I'm no hypocrite!

CS

Edited May 8, 2010 by CosmicSurfer