US Assistant Secretary Of State Campbell Meets Red-Shirts Protesters

[pornsasi]

The US government has a long time rule never to discuss or negotiate with terrorists. So why is the assistant secretary of state making an exception now? Is it because these terrorists are not threatening the US? Not only Thailand has double standards.

because the reds are not terrorists,and abisi is not elected from the people

Not a bad reason for the US , if you come to think of it .

Nah let the PM enjoyed his ride before he is impeached by the EC

and subsequent rulings

Edited May 10, 2010 by pornsasi

[thaibeachlovers]

ok ask your UK friends if you have any , they will explain to you how democracy works in a parlementary system .

Am not british myself , though i have a bit studied their history

Yesterday i was talking to a british guy on another thread , and his comment was Abhisit has no popular mandate

whatsoever . Which confirm what i was thinking

Thanks

I'm from Australia, which has the same system as here and the UK, not only nationally (PM), but in the states (6) and territories (2) as well (Premier). So I am well versed in the parliamentary system, but not an expert.

The problem with saying "That wouldn't happen in (whereever)" is that it probably wouldn't, but that doesn't mean it couldn't.

The UK is an interesting example at the moment, where a party is deciding which major party to support. The third party didn't campaign that they would or wouldn't support either of the major parties. Does that make which ever party gets up as illegitimate?

A lot of people THINK that Abhisit doesn't have a popular mandate, but given the has the support of the majority of MPs, I don't think it matters.

From where i come from , France , we have half parlementary half presidential system

is not like Thailand .

I suppose that if in the UK one or the other party dont win a majority in parliament the

Lib Dem will have to choose a coalition partner at the end .

Yes that could happen in OZ or UK but am very sure talking bout UK , OZ probably the same

that it would end with someone with a popular mandate

And also dont forget in UK or OZ there is no dissolution of entire parties by a court .

In the UK or Oz there is no vote buying!

[pornsasi]

The US government has a long time rule never to discuss or negotiate with terrorists. So why is the assistant secretary of state making an exception now? Is it because these terrorists are not threatening the US? Not only Thailand has double standards.

because the reds are not terrorists,and abisi is not elected from the people

Neither was Gordon Brown, but he's still PM.

Gordon Brown is just the deputy of Tony Blair , when Tony left , Gordon took over .

No changes in parties or party in power . Is not as if Gordon Brown was the leader of the torries

while Tony was the leader of the labour . And WITHOUT an election

In short it is not like Abhisit ...

[BNZ]

Never understud why US always put his nose in other countries affairs. US allways like to control everything. This must have a end! It's not their problem. I'm Swiss and if Swizterland would have a conflict with Italy tommorrow (just for example), than it's not the USA's Problem either.

It helps sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't. As an American, I support it when it helps. It remains to be seen whether this will help or not. You're Swiss? Big surprise. BTW, if the Nazis had won the war, would the Swiss still be neutral?

No Doubt about it. 

The Germans could have rolled through Switzerland anytime with ease but they didn't ..why ?

It was the Bank !  

Everybody's bank !  

So hands off and neutral so everyone can continue their dirty business  ..as they still do.

[pornsasi]

ok ask your UK friends if you have any , they will explain to you how democracy works in a parlementary system .

Am not british myself , though i have a bit studied their history

Yesterday i was talking to a british guy on another thread , and his comment was Abhisit has no popular mandate

whatsoever . Which confirm what i was thinking

Thanks

I'm from Australia, which has the same system as here and the UK, not only nationally (PM), but in the states (6) and territories (2) as well (Premier). So I am well versed in the parliamentary system, but not an expert.

The problem with saying "That wouldn't happen in (whereever)" is that it probably wouldn't, but that doesn't mean it couldn't.

The UK is an interesting example at the moment, where a party is deciding which major party to support. The third party didn't campaign that they would or wouldn't support either of the major parties. Does that make which ever party gets up as illegitimate?

A lot of people THINK that Abhisit doesn't have a popular mandate, but given the has the support of the majority of MPs, I don't think it matters.

From where i come from , France , we have half parlementary half presidential system

is not like Thailand .

I suppose that if in the UK one or the other party dont win a majority in parliament the

Lib Dem will have to choose a coalition partner at the end .

Yes that could happen in OZ or UK but am very sure talking bout UK , OZ probably the same

that it would end with someone with a popular mandate

And also dont forget in UK or OZ there is no dissolution of entire parties by a court .

In the UK or Oz there is no vote buying!

Right . And thats why Thailand is not truly a democracy.

Pointless to explain the notion of popular mandate

[whybother]

From where i come from , France , we have half parlementary half presidential system

is not like Thailand .

I suppose that if in the UK one or the other party dont win a majority in parliament the

Lib Dem will have to choose a coalition partner at the end .

Yes that could happen in OZ or UK but am very sure talking bout UK , OZ probably the same

that it would end with someone with a popular mandate

And also dont forget in UK or OZ there is no dissolution of entire parties by a court .

True. In UK and Aus there would probably not be dissolution of entire parties by a court. Some laws are different.

But no one has been able to tell me how the dissolution of the party actually makes any difference.

All the MPs that were not banned went to other parties. There were by-elections to replace the banned MPs. The PTP won some of those by-elections.

It's just more emotive red propaganda.

[pornsasi]

no doubt that guy is confused! Hitler bringing Bolchevism? <deleted>? Thats like saying the reds bring BKK peace. This dude needs to get some history education. Google: Lenin, Trotsky, Bolchevic revolution. Anyway, thats way off topic. Apple and oranges/

Look i am from Eastern Europe partly and I lived there . Hitler brought the red army to Eastern Europe

because of his failed invasion of the USSR , and that as a result brought bolchevism

Or perhaps you think that ppl there voted bolchevik ? Apart from Yugoslavia .

Now why dont you play darts , eat an apple or orange and listen to ppl with some knowledge ?

So far as i know it was the Bolchevism came first, they try to get into Germany politicly, after the WW1 and Hitler came into power, was against the Bolchevism (if i spell it right). As some poster mentioned above. Hitler declared war to US. Not ony to US, he declared war to ewveryone, Rassia, etc, as i said he was out of control, crazy a..ole. He had already most parts of Europe, but greed lead him to declare war to everyone. He want a united Europe (similar sheme as the European is now), but he liked to have the whole world and of corse he want to be the one who controls everything.

It's a little bid similar with Mister "T". He have enought money to enjoy his family and his life (or for the rest of it). But he want to regain power again (not lose face), spend a lot of money to create troubles, hopes to go in power again, because he want more and more, for what? Does he thnk he gonna living forever?

If peaple getting greedy and want more and more power and more money, one day they gonna have a downfall and they'll end up with nothing. This is what happen with Hitler as well.

Yes probably same will happen with Mr T .

He has advanced prostate cancer , i am not sure he cares one way or the other

[pornsasi]

From where i come from , France , we have half parlementary half presidential system

is not like Thailand .

I suppose that if in the UK one or the other party dont win a majority in parliament the

Lib Dem will have to choose a coalition partner at the end .

Yes that could happen in OZ or UK but am very sure talking bout UK , OZ probably the same

that it would end with someone with a popular mandate

And also dont forget in UK or OZ there is no dissolution of entire parties by a court .

True. In UK and Aus there would probably not be dissolution of entire parties by a court. Some laws are different.

But no one has been able to tell me how the dissolution of the party actually makes any difference.

All the MPs that were not banned went to other parties. There were by-elections to replace the banned MPs. The PTP won some of those by-elections.

It's just more emotive red propaganda.

No its not emotive propaganda . It a copy and paste parliament . Some parts elected in 2007 , some in 2009 , some elected under another program .

What are they representing as a whole parliament ? nothing .

No popular mandate

[Tanaka]

Campbell said he came to Bangkok not to mediate a break-through or back any outcome.

So why was he there? The report does not say if he was ordered to come. If he wasn't, he was colluding with named terrorists, and subject to US laws.

Named terrorists? The only one who was named a terrorist was Seh Daeng. I don't think he was at the meeting.

I don't think you are blind on both eyes. You are just closing them when there is something not coinciding with your one-eyed opinion. if you bothered to read the news, there have been said several times that the reds are terrorists and if you also could bother to look in a dictionary on "terrorist, you would see that it is very much what your red shirt friends are.

I know you won't do that however. It might require a level of IQ that is slightly above what is available to you.

Besides, you are making a mockery of Ernesto Guevara, using him as your avatar. If you have any respect for history and the man himself, you would change it. But then again, I don't think you will. See reason above.

[321niti123]

What a hypocrite! I can't believe the guy would even talk to these red terrorists.

Hmm ...3 anonymous forum posts claiming the red shirts are terrorists. US Assistant Secretary of State seems to think otherwise. Hmm, who should I believe. Who's more credible ...hmmm, such a tough question!

Terrorist are people who incite fear or terror into the hearts of other people, if the reds aren't inciting fear into my mind then i dont know what is.

Even if the majority of reds arent terrorist they are still breaking the law by blocking Ratchaprasong, so they are still convicts, why would the secretary of state want to meet with convicts?

[Tanaka]

What a hypocrite! I can't believe the guy would even talk to these red terrorists.

Hmm ...3 anonymous forum posts claiming the red shirts are terrorists. US Assistant Secretary of State seems to think otherwise. Hmm, who should I believe. Who's more credible ...hmmm, such a tough question!

Anonymous posts? This is an open forum, you of all people should have noticed that. That is why you can post your ignorant redshirt blabla over and over again. So you are saying you are not posting anonymously? Then you must imply that you are Che Guevara as you have not written any name in your posts!

[321niti123]

The US government has a long time rule never to discuss or negotiate with terrorists. So why is the assistant secretary of state making an exception now? Is it because these terrorists are not threatening the US? Not only Thailand has double standards.

because the reds are not terrorists,and abisi is not elected from the people

Neither was Gordon Brown, but he's still PM.

Gordon Brown is just the deputy of Tony Blair , when Tony left , Gordon took over .

No changes in parties or party in power . Is not as if Gordon Brown was the leader of the torries

while Tony was the leader of the labour . And WITHOUT an election

In short it is not like Abhisit ...

Abhisit still came to power through legitimate means following the rules of the constitution which might i remind you that everyone voted on whether to accept the drafted constitution or not.

So since the constitution is democratic and abhisit follow the constitution therefore logically abhisit came into power though democratic means.

Also, you cant blame abhisit, its PPP's former coalition that switch sides.

[cheguevara]

What a hypocrite! I can't believe the guy would even talk to these red terrorists.

Hmm ...3 anonymous forum posts claiming the red shirts are terrorists. US Assistant Secretary of State seems to think otherwise. Hmm, who should I believe. Who's more credible ...hmmm, such a tough question!

Anonymous posts? This is an open forum, you of all people should have noticed that. That is why you can post your ignorant redshirt blabla over and over again. So you are saying you are not posting anonymously? Then you must imply that you are Che Guevara as you have not written any name in your posts!

You're absolutely right. My opinion is not worth as much as the US Assistant Secretary of State's opinion. And neither is anyone else's here. So why are there still people judging his actions?

[whybother]

No its not emotive propaganda . It a copy and paste parliament . Some parts elected in 2007 , some in 2009 , some elected under another program .

What are they representing as a whole parliament ? nothing .

No popular mandate

This just goes around in circles.

Over the last few pages, I have answered every one of the points that you have raised ... and then you go straight back to "No popular mandate".

You've simply made up your mind and the facts make no difference to you.

[justasken]

The assistant SEC of State US, answers to Hillary Clinton who answers to President Obama.

100% he said what The President told him to say.

If Thais do not like what a black man from Chicago who is now President of the US says, TUFF.

I am quite sure President Obama does not give a rats.

Give um hel_l Harry.

"NO, I just tell them the truth and they think it is hel_l"

Harry Trueman

[justasken]

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.

All the King's horses, And all the King's men

Humpty Dumpty was in fact believed to be a large cannon! It was used during the English Civil War ( 1642 - 1649) in the Siege of Colchester (13 Jun 1648 - 27 Aug 1648). Colchester was strongly fortified by the Royalists and was laid to siege by the Parliamentarians (Roundheads). In 1648 the town of Colchester was a walled town with a castle and several churches and was protected by the city wall. Standing immediately adjacent the city wall, was St Mary's Church. A huge cannon, colloquially called Humpty Dumpty, was strategically placed on the wall next to St Mary's Church. The historical events detailing the siege of Colchester are well documented - references to the cannon ( Humpty Dumpty) are as follows:

• June 15th 1648 - St Mary's Church is fortified and a large cannon is placed on the roof which was fired by 'One-Eyed Jack Thompson'
  
• July 14th / July 15th 1648 - The Royalist fort within the walls at St Mary's church is blown to pieces and their main cannon battery ( Humpty Dumpty) is destroyed.
  
• August 28th 1648 - The Royalists lay down their arms, open the gates of Colchester and surrender to the Parliamentarians
  

Couldn't put Humpty together again!

[thaibeachlovers]

What a hypocrite! I can't believe the guy would even talk to these red terrorists.

Hmm ...3 anonymous forum posts claiming the red shirts are terrorists. US Assistant Secretary of State seems to think otherwise. Hmm, who should I believe. Who's more credible ...hmmm, such a tough question!

Anonymous posts? This is an open forum, you of all people should have noticed that. That is why you can post your ignorant redshirt blabla over and over again. So you are saying you are not posting anonymously? Then you must imply that you are Che Guevara as you have not written any name in your posts!

You're absolutely right. My opinion is not worth as much as the US Assistant Secretary of State's opinion. And neither is anyone else's here. So why are there still people judging his actions?

Why do you think your opinion is not worth as much as anyone else's????? Do you think he is GOD???

He's a MAN, pure and simple, and as such just as fallible and stupid as the rest of us.

We are judging his actions because ( most ) people with a brain cell know that politicians are ( IMO ) lying *&^&%$$.

My opinion is worth just as much as his, or anyone else's, and no one can deny that. Athough you may disagree with what I say, you can't deny my right to my opinion.

[dhrobertson]

Never understud why US always put his nose in other countries affairs. US allways like to control everything. This must have a end! It's not their problem. I'm Swiss and if Swizterland would have a conflict with Italy tommorrow (just for example), than it's not the USA's Problem either.

Yeah

Europe did great all on its own.

WW I

WW II

Your nation sucked in lots of stolen money from the nazis.

It is funny anyone from Europe trashing America.

All Europe ever did for 1000 years was have war.

How many died in WW II in Europe? Was it 15 million or was it 20 million?

America is stupid but not that stupid Europe.

Australia also called for elections here.

the UK also has done so.

Why not trash them?

For what it's worth, the Russians lost 27M. Happy now?

You always came late and for financial benefit.

BTW, the Swiss have a very pure form of democracy with Cantonal referanda for all major issues.

Are you an American?

Please, tell all

[rreddin]

Seems he was meeting with TRT banned and PTP and Thaksin spokesman.

Essentially Team Thaksin above the redshirt leaders.

Maybe delivering a quiet word....

Or maybe getting to know the next political leaders with whom Uncle Sam will have to deal.

The US govt is pragmatic. There are American interests in Thailand that need to be protected. Then, of course, there is the question of maintaining influence in the region - there is an unpposed miltary and economic super-power near by with vassal states bordering on all sides but the south.

[madi]

Why do you think your opinion is not worth as much as anyone else's????? Do you think he is GOD???

He's a MAN, pure and simple, and as such just as fallible and stupid as the rest of us.

We are judging his actions because ( most ) people with a brain cell know that politicians are ( IMO ) lying *&^&%$$.

My opinion is worth just as much as his, or anyone else's, and no one can deny that. Athough you may disagree with what I say, you can't deny my right to my opinion.

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions.

BUT--certainly are opinions are not all equal are they.

My opinion when it comes to The Universe, is not equal to a professor from Cambridge-Hawkins.

My opinion on how to repair a Honda is not equal to that of a Honda mechanic.

My opinion about how to repair my teeth is not equal to that of a well trained dentist.

The opinion of an uneducated, unread, moron on Thai politics is not equal to that of a Thai university Professor who has written books on Thai history.

[schmutzie]

US rebuked for involvement in Thai politics

The US ambassador received a rebuke this afternoon from Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya for Washington's perceived intervention in Thai domestic politics, diplomatic sources said.

Ambassador Eric John was summoned by Mr Kasit at 4.30 pm.

It followed a Sunday working breakfast involving US Assistant Secretary of State Kurt M. Campbell and former Thaksin cabinet members Jaturon Chaisaeng, a red-shirt leader, and Noppadon Pattama, a former foreign minister and legal adviser to former PM Thaksin Shinawatra .

The Foreign Ministry considered the present political stand-off between the government and the red-shirted demonstrators led by the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) to be a domestic affair. It needed no mediation from foreign partners, sources said.

Mr John was quoted as relaying a message from Mr Campbell, before flying on to Burma over the weekend, that the ``US was here not to mediate a solution or to offer support for any particular outcome, but to underscore US support for Thailand, the oldest treaty ally in Asia, and for the Thai people in this challenging period''.

The public highest level-yet US contact with the pro-Thaksin camp was seen as underpinning the red-shirted movement's proclaimed justifications, at a time the Abhisit government was trying desperately to disperse the demonstration and the ministry, in particular, was trying to nail down the fugitive Thaksin, who was believed to be behind the prolonged protest in the heart of the capital, the government source said.

The US embassy said the Sunday working breakfast was meant to hear views on the Abhisit's roadmap from all parties concerned. The invited government representative, the PM's deputy secretary general and acting spokesman Panitan Wattanayagorn, had called on Saturday night to cancel his attendance.

The US ambassador had been hosting a few rounds of discussions in the past two months with various people including former PM Abhisit's secretary general Niphon Phromphan, former Thaksin administration's deputy prime minister Chaturon Chaisaeng, and appointed senator Gen Lertrat Rattanawanit to see how Thailand would come out of the predicaments, sources said.

``We are neither anti-red or pro-red. We support principles (non violence, peaceful resolution), talk to all sides, and want to promote relations between our two countries and peoples, and not to take sides in a partisan political debate that is not ours to mediate or to resolve the conflict,'' an American diplomat said.

Mr Campbell publicly said Sunday that ``We strongly welcome the Prime Minister's roadmap for national reconciliation and commitment for new elections. We are also encouraged by the UDD's positive response to the roadmap. Restraint and foresight are critical for both sides at this time.''

The US, he said, remained cautious about progress as those who don't want peace or political progress continue to employ violence as a means to undermine resolution of political differences.

"Like the unfortunate shootings Friday night that resulted in the loss of lives. In addition to those injured directly, political violence damages the nation, undermines democratic institutions and legal mechanisms for dispute resolution.''

Military sources said the US has trid to assess what camp will govern Thai politics in futureand would like to balance its investment away from Democrat backing.

``Washington has been closely attracted to Thai politics all along. The US was one of the six countries that was concerned about terrorist action during the airport occupation in November 2008 and has issued a statement of concern over political developments since then,'' the military sources said.

In fact, the Abhisit coalition government has relied very much on intelligence information from the US as Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban and Mr Panitan said before the protests began in mid-March that the government had received intelligence from the US warning of possible sabotage at the protests.

The chronic political rallies in Thailand have caused concerns for all the Asean countries as well. Cambodia has reportedly lobbied some Asean members to issue a statement of concern right after the 10 April incident, which saw 27 deaths and over 800 injured.

However, thanks to friendly member Indonesia's and indecisive Vietnam chair' reluctance as well as strong protest by Kasit, no statement was issued.

Kasit had also to fly to Jakarta to brief his counterparts and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono about the Thai situation and took time to update the information to some 40 ambassadors who were attached to the Asean secretariat in Jakarta as well.

Previously, the International Crisis Group (ICG) has suggested Thailand consider mediation help from other countries to defuse its political crisis and avoid a slide into further violence.

Source: http://bangkokpost.com/news/thaksin-judgem...n-thai-politics

Edited May 10, 2010 by schmutzie

[Publicus]

Be a bit firkin daft NOT to talk to the reds, considering many/most people think that they would win an election right now.

Half the worlds problems are due to the US sticking it's nose into where it doesn't belong, go home and stay out of it

remember that when your country needs help or asks for assistance.

This i agree whit you.

When Jamie Rubin completed his several years in Pres Bill Clinton's Administration as assistant secretary of state for public affairs, he stated in a CNN interview that the most remarkable discovery he'd made was the number of countries, governments, civil society groups, NGO's, civil war combatants etc that each day come pounding on the doors of the US Department of State to resolve their issues. Rubin noted back then that one particular group qued up were the former Soviet satellite states of eastern Europe, but by no means were they the only que at the DEPSTATE front doors.

Some don't come knocking however, as in the recent instance of the Swiss government and banks who finally agreed to disclose to the US Government names and account amounts of US citizens hiding behind numerical anonymity to stash their own loot from hedge funds etc in order to avoid paying their taxes. It indeed is no surprise the Swiss have a very high rate of GDP per person. It is a surprise however that the Thai government buys Swiss army tanks....but then again, why should it be?

[Publicus]

Considering that he is the Assistant Secretary of State for South East Asian and Pacific Affairs, I'd say he knows quite a bit more about politics in Thailand than some of the forum members here.

Don't get too caught up in the titles they give these bureaucrats, this guy could merely be someone who sits at a desk and collects reports from underlings and passes them on to the overlords, waiting for his time to move up the ladder, hopefully to something cushy, like US ambassador to Monaco.

Ever see the Jamie Foxx movie "The Kingdom"? The US rep in that movie fits what I expect most of these guys to be like. US ambassadorships are handed out like Christmas presents to those who have been faithful to the ruling party, supportive of particular election campaigns, etc. Some of Uncle Sam's biggest foreign snafus have been the result of something crucial occurring overseas and the person whose job it is to deal with it is completely clueless.

From the US DEPSTATE website:

Eric G. John

Ambassador

Kingdom of Thailand

Term of Appointment: 10/22/2007 to present

A career member of the Senior Foreign Service, Eric G. John was sworn in as the U.S. Ambassador to Thailand on October 22, 2007. Ambassador John joined the Foreign Service in 1983 and has served primarily in East Asia. From 2005 to 2007, he served as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Southeast Asian Affairs in the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs. From 2002 to 2005, Ambassador John was the Minister Counselor for Political Affairs at the U.S. Embassy in Seoul, Korea.

Ambassador John has served three tours in Korea, and has been the Deputy Director of Korean Affairs in Washington. He served as the Deputy Principal Officer of the U.S Consulate General in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, and in the Orderly Departure Program at the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, Thailand. He also served at the U.S. Embassy in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania.

Mr. John grew up in New Castle, Indiana. He holds a B.S. in Foreign Service from the Georgetown University School of Foreign Service and a graduate degree in National Security Studies from the National War College. His foreign languages are Korean and Vietnamese.

______________________

I'd suppose Kasit and John had their discussion in English.

Anyway, excerpts from the news report:

``Washington has been closely attracted to Thai politics all along. The US was one of the six countries that was concerned about terrorist action during the airport occupation in November 2008 and has issued a statement of concern over political developments since then,'' the military sources said.

In fact, the Abhisit coalition government has relied very much on intelligence information from the US as Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban and Mr Panitan said before the protests began in mid-March that the government had received intelligence from the US warning of possible sabotage at the protests.

Previously, the International Crisis Group (ICG) has suggested Thailand consider mediation help from other countries to defuse its political crisis and avoid a slide into further violence

_________________

Something's possibly afoot at this time. It might appear the army and the politicians are widley divided. I mean, whatever happened to the negotiations - youknow, the Nov 14th proposed election and Abhisit's five points, the Red Shirts counter points etc? No one recently has suggested negotiations stop or slow to a crawl.

[khunjamespittman]

Even as an American, I am shocked that this ill-informed bureaucrat sticks his nose in something that is none of his business, and probably nothing he really knows about... I am sure he got a heavy briefing before he met with the red shirts, but still, that was not enough. His statements to the effect that he supported the UDD are shocking.

I am deeply disappointed in an uninformed government clone trying to saddle up next to the red shirts in an effort to come across as some hero.

Shame, shame...

Mayebe it might help if you got a briefing.

[Publicus]

Even as an American, I am shocked that this ill-informed bureaucrat sticks his nose in something that is none of his business, and probably nothing he really knows about... I am sure he got a heavy briefing before he met with the red shirts, but still, that was not enough. His statements to the effect that he supported the UDD are shocking.

I am deeply disappointed in an uninformed government clone trying to saddle up next to the red shirts in an effort to come across as some hero.

Shame, shame...

Mayebe it might help if you got a briefing.

But then his briefs would have to hold up or else.

[David006]

Absolutely pitiful - he has no business being here and meeting with either side. Hillary had better watch where she sends her henchmen...

Agreed..don't forget Hilary is poking her nose in the Falklands issue too!! Who knows what the US agenda is??

[webfact]

US MEETING WITH REDS

Kasit summons US rep to express disappointment

By The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya yesterday summoned US Ambassador Eric John to express disappointment over the meeting between US Assistant Secretary for East Asian and Pacific Affairs Kurt Campbell and Thai politicians associated with the red-shirt protesters and former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Campbell stopped in Bangkok on his way to Burma and met Chaturon Chaisang, former acting leader of Thaksin's now defunct Thai Rak Thai Party, and former foreign minister Noppadol Pattama on Sunday to discuss the political situation here.

Senior government officials reportedly declined an invite to join the briefing.

Kasit told John that the US Embassy should not arrange gatherings with opposition politicians linked with an illegal protest, the minister's secretary Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said. The opposition and red-shirt protesters might claim that the US supported their political activities, he said.

Kasit said the US should take into account the sensitivity of the ongoing political conflict, Chavanond said.

Kasit told the US envoy the government was democratic and allowed freedom of expression and assembly. But the April 10 clashes changed the situation and the protest, as "terrorists" had infiltrated the reds' movement.

Kasit urged the US to be well aware of the evolving nature of the rally and to exercise caution before any meeting with any parties, Chavanond said.

John told Kasit Washington fully backed Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's five-point road map to restore normalcy and never condoned violence.

He also appealed to the government to avoid using force against the protesters.

-- The Nation 2010-05-11

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[pornsasi]

US MEETING WITH REDS

Kasit summons US rep to express disappointment

By The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya yesterday summoned US Ambassador Eric John to express disappointment over the meeting between US Assistant Secretary for East Asian and Pacific Affairs Kurt Campbell and Thai politicians associated with the red-shirt protesters and former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Campbell stopped in Bangkok on his way to Burma and met Chaturon Chaisang, former acting leader of Thaksin's now defunct Thai Rak Thai Party, and former foreign minister Noppadol Pattama on Sunday to discuss the political situation here.

Senior government officials reportedly declined an invite to join the briefing.

Kasit told John that the US Embassy should not arrange gatherings with opposition politicians linked with an illegal protest, the minister's secretary Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said. The opposition and red-shirt protesters might claim that the US supported their political activities, he said.

Kasit said the US should take into account the sensitivity of the ongoing political conflict, Chavanond said.

Kasit told the US envoy the government was democratic and allowed freedom of expression and assembly. But the April 10 clashes changed the situation and the protest, as "terrorists" had infiltrated the reds' movement.

Kasit urged the US to be well aware of the evolving nature of the rally and to exercise caution before any meeting with any parties, Chavanond said.

John told Kasit Washington fully backed Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's five-point road map to restore normalcy and never condoned violence.

He also appealed to the government to avoid using force against the protesters.

-- The Nation 2010-05-11

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

Another occasion wasted for the yellow clown Kasit to shut his mouth

[pornsasi]

Absolutely pitiful - he has no business being here and meeting with either side. Hillary had better watch where she sends her henchmen...

Agreed..don't forget Hilary is poking her nose in the Falklands issue too!! Who knows what the US agenda is??

Put their hands on the vast Thailand's oil reserves .

[pornsasi]

Abhisit still came to power through legitimate means following the rules of the constitution which might i remind you that everyone voted on whether to accept the drafted constitution or not.

So since the constitution is democratic and abhisit follow the constitution therefore logically abhisit came into power though democratic means.

Also, you cant blame abhisit, its PPP's former coalition that switch sides.

There is more to democracy that just respecting the law , i.e the constitution . And that is called popular mandate .

Dictators can also respect the constitution ...

Abhisit is legally elected PM , never said he is not , but the parliament that elected him has no popular mandate ,

so neither does he .

Its a copy and paste parliament whose composition is artificial and has not been sanctioned by a popular vote

Its really simple to understand actually