Thai Authorities To Sever Red-Shirts Supply Lines

[pornsasi]

This is all so sad.

Some people say the proximate cause of this civil disobedience can be laid at the feet of the government itself - for failing to disperse the yellow shirts from the airport and government house, some 2-years ago. That omission gave a green light to these people.

Any support they had was lost when they savaged Chula Hospital. They would have been cleared weeks ago, in Beijing, New York, or London - and by non-lethal means. Riot police, humvees, water canons, gas, dogs, and mounted police.

Make peace - Please!

Please no peace, use lethal weapons so they can't/do not need to vote in the coming elections

No more election on November 14th....Government called off the deal

Well if that the case then was Abhisit sincere when he made the offer ???

[minburi2]

The Royal Embassy/Consulate of Belgium in Bangkok strongly recommends to stay away from or to leave the broad Ratchaprasong area and to comply with the curfew at other places in Bangkok.

Official warnings (in Dutch language):

http://www.diplomatie.be/bangkoknl/

http://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Diensten/O...ra_thailand.jsp

Dutch Embassy send me SMS and got 2 SMS from CRES to stay away from center and bussy places

[pornsasi]

Some posts on this forum make me ashamed to be part of the Human race.

Yes i feel bout the same . Call for violence all the time in here

[MaxLee]

It's corruption versus corruption... The government has lost the edge already when they proposed that Road map.

Let me tell you that in the end this road map is a joke!!!! And the Red shirt leaders have done an excellent job of using it to their advantage!!!!

[humfurry]

A month ago when I suggested that the government start cracking heads I was chastised on this website. I think that now most people would agree that it is long overdue.

Cracking heads in never a good idea. I wasn't a good idea then and it's not a good idea now. I gotta better idea... why don't you instead of the govt. go out there and crack some heads?

I think this forum s an excellent studying opportunity for psycho of various specialities; how a frustrated man can become a dangerous supporter of extreme policy... The effect of the stress.....A lot of variation in the studies.

I suppose that already some are preparing thesis....

A little of more cold blood in the Farang community,a little less agressivity, more reserve, we are far from extreme situations.

I can agree with that Jerry...

[simonmiller]

Cracking heads is never an answer - look at how much support the PM has gained by not cracking heads. Too many hawks and warmongers coming out of the woodwork.

[DickFarang]

Some posts on this forum make me ashamed to be part of the Human race.

I fully agree.

[jdinasia]

A month ago when I suggested that the government start cracking heads I was chastised on this website. I think that now most people would agree that it is long overdue.

Cracking heads in never a good idea. I wasn't a good idea then and it's not a good idea now. I gotta better idea... why don't you instead of the govt. go out there and crack some heads?

I think this forum s an excellent studying opportunity for psycho of various specialities; how a frustrated man can become a dangerous supporter of extreme policy... The effect of the stress.....A lot of variation in the studies.

I suppose that already some are preparing thesis....

A little of more cold blood in the Farang community,a little less agressivity, more reserve, we are far from extreme situations.

Some posts on this forum make me ashamed to be part of the Human race.

I agree with both Jerry (in a way) and monkfish .....

People that will discount the armed violent insurrection of the reds are strange and interesting to study. Those same people make me ashamed that they are part of the same human race as me.

[pornsasi]

A month ago when I suggested that the government start cracking heads I was chastised on this website. I think that now most people would agree that it is long overdue.

Cracking heads in never a good idea. I wasn't a good idea then and it's not a good idea now. I gotta better idea... why don't you instead of the govt. go out there and crack some heads?

I think this forum s an excellent studying opportunity for psycho of various specialities; how a frustrated man can become a dangerous supporter of extreme policy... The effect of the stress.....A lot of variation in the studies.

I suppose that already some are preparing thesis....

A little of more cold blood in the Farang community,a little less agressivity, more reserve, we are far from extreme situations.

I can agree with that Jerry...

Secunded ..........

[humfurry]

The Royal Embassy/Consulate of Belgium in Bangkok strongly recommends to stay away from or to leave the broad Ratchaprasong area and to comply with the curfew at other places in Bangkok.

Official warnings (in Dutch language):

http://www.diplomatie.be/bangkoknl/

http://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Diensten/O...ra_thailand.jsp

Dutch Embassy send me SMS and got 2 SMS from CRES to stay away from center and bussy places

Well I have to go through the whole mess tomorrow for work...

P.S. Busy not bussy.

[jdinasia]

From: Bangkok ACS ([email protected])

Sent: Wed 5/12/10 11:56 AM

To: Bangkok ACS ([email protected])

May 12, 2010

This warden message alerts U.S. citizens traveling to and residing in Thailand that the Royal Thai Government has indicated that authorities will cut power and water, and possibly telephone and transportation links, within the next 24-48 hours to the Ratchaprasong rally site in central Bangkok where the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (aka UDD or “red-shirts”) continue to demonstrate. It is currently unclear how large an area will be affected. It is also unclear how the UDD will respond.

U.S. citizens should avoid travel to and lodging in this area and the areas in and around all demonstrations, if possible. If U.S. citizens must travel to these areas, they should exercise special caution and remain vigilant with regard to their personal security. U.S. Embassy personnel who live around this area have been given the option to relocate to housing outside of the affected area until the situation is resolved. The U.S. Embassy is also planning on limiting personnel who work on, or directly off of, Rajdamri and Langsuan roads. Other U.S. Embassy facilities, such as the Chancery and Consular Section, will remain open. U.S. citizens are reminded to exercise caution and vigilance at all times.

[pornsasi]

I agree with both Jerry (in a way) and monkfish .....

People that will discount the armed violent insurrection of the reds are strange and interesting to study. Those same people make me ashamed that they are part of the same human race as me.

I am sure you will find yourself at home with your "peacefull" yellow brothers .

[jdinasia]

hmmm who was the banned red poster that always said "secunded" (sic) ?

[simonmiller]

look on the bright side Porn, in only 42 more cut and past jobs you will qualify to enter Bedlam : but be forewarned, Bedlam is not for everyone

Am not british

Bedlam theater ?

or is it your other favorite place ?

Bedlam on TV mate (scroll to the bottom of the main page), where all the really cool people hang out. Caution, no shirts no shoes, no matter.

Bedlam was a famous insame asylum (madhouse) in England where rich people went to look at the mad people for a joke in the C18th. Now it is another word for a crazy riot, chaos. Bangkok = Bedlam pretty soon?

[pornsasi]

hmmm who was the banned red poster that always said "secunded" (sic) ?

banned ? By you i guess

i replied to Jerry post not yours .

[DickFarang]

The Royal Embassy/Consulate of Belgium in Bangkok strongly recommends to stay away from or to leave the broad Ratchaprasong area and to comply with the curfew at other places in Bangkok.

Official warnings (in Dutch language):

http://www.diplomatie.be/bangkoknl/

http://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Diensten/O...ra_thailand.jsp

Dutch Embassy send me SMS and got 2 SMS from CRES to stay away from center and bussy places

I live in Pattaya and here everything is quiet.

The Royal Embassy/Consulate of Belgium in Bangkok is very busy now with the registrations for the Elections on 13^th June 2010.

These registrations have to be forwarded by diplomatic mail to Belgium on 17^th May 2010.

(Unlike e.g. US citizens, Belgian citizens living in Belgium are registered automatically.)

[noahvail]

When this thing first started, I told my wife it is easy to chase the Red Shirts out, just do more or less what Abhisit is proposing for this evening. She told me I was crazy (she says this a lot), and that you can't just cut off water and electricity to an area where other people live and where there are two hospitals (Chula and The Police General Hospital). I had to back off of my argument and agree with her.

Now, this is what Abhisit is threatening. Given I am now educated, I have to believe like the Red Shirts that it is a bluff.

Cutting off the electric and water to the protesters doesn't matter, they have plenty of stock on hand. But cutting it off to the residents forces the residents to leave the area.

That way, there will be no "collateral damage" should the shooting start again.

[minburi2]

When this thing first started, I told my wife it is easy to chase the Red Shirts out, just do more or less what Abhisit is proposing for this evening. She told me I was crazy (she says this a lot), and that you can't just cut off water and electricity to an area where other people live and where there are two hospitals (Chula and The Police General Hospital). I had to back off of my argument and agree with her.

Now, this is what Abhisit is threatening. Given I am now educated, I have to believe like the Red Shirts that it is a bluff.

Cutting off the electric and water to the protesters doesn't matter, they have plenty of stock on hand. But cutting it off to the residents forces the residents to leave the area.

That way, there will be no "collateral damage" should the shooting start again.

CHAPEAU!!

that was my thought as well

[OzMick]

The farang anti-democracy posters seem to believe that democracy is extruded from the barrel of a gun, or pressed out from tank treads. It aint. That is the ideology of the Brute Force & Ignorance Tendency – once represented by the Nazis.

The legitimacy of a democratic government & its laws are established at the ballot box, by the majority of voters. It is irrelevant what farangs (you or I) think of the resulting regime (Mr T, et al). Sad that you & I didn't approve of Mr T. Real sad, but farangs should mind their own business, & let the Thais tend their own business.

The Thais made their choice, so that is clear. Comment is allowable, but what kind of arrogance is it that assumes certain farangs can make superior choices?

The tide is turning, I hope towards a stable democratic system. Whatever, farangs have no role except as commentators. This commentator has lived long enuf to remember Nazi bombs & guns. He can assure you anti-democrats & jackboot-likkers that those who fought against them were the democrats, those behind them were its enemies.

The Reds represent the majority that has been robbed of its democratic rights. Like it or lump it, they are fighting for restoration of those rights. It is a struggle between the ballot & the bullet, the majority & the minority; between democratic legitimacy & law-&-order legalism. May the majority win.

Vox populi, vox dei. OGT

You appear to have a better grasp of events 70-80 years ago than those of today. This a symptom of Alzheimer's Disease, otherwise known as senile dementia. I would recommend seeing a specialist.

[noahvail]

NZ Embassy has also issued a warning to stay out of danger areas.

[ratcatcher]

look on the bright side Porn, in only 42 more cut and past jobs you will qualify to enter Bedlam : but be forewarned, Bedlam is not for everyone

Am not british

Bedlam theater ?

or is it your other favorite place ?

Bedlam on TV mate (scroll to the bottom of the main page), where all the really cool people hang out. Caution, no shirts no shoes, no matter.

Bedlam was a famous insame asylum (madhouse) in England where rich people went to look at the mad people for a joke in the C18th. Now it is another word for a crazy riot, chaos. Bangkok = Bedlam pretty soon?

Christ, I thought it was a hi-so supper club on Suk., Soi 11.

[Old Man River]

When this thing first started, I told my wife it is easy to chase the Red Shirts out, just do more or less what Abhisit is proposing for this evening. She told me I was crazy (she says this a lot), and that you can't just cut off water and electricity to an area where other people live and where there are two hospitals (Chula and The Police General Hospital). I had to back off of my argument and agree with her.

Now, this is what Abhisit is threatening. Given I am now educated, I have to believe like the Red Shirts that it is a bluff.

Cutting off the electric and water to the protesters doesn't matter, they have plenty of stock on hand. But cutting it off to the residents forces the residents to leave the area.

That way, there will be no "collateral damage" should the shooting start again.

CHAPEAU!!

that was my thought as well

What do you do with all the people in Chula Hospital and The Police General Hospital? If you force them to leave, how is that different from the Reds' invasion of Chula Hospital?

[DickFarang]

The farang anti-democracy posters seem to believe that democracy is extruded from the barrel of a gun, or pressed out from tank treads. It aint. That is the ideology of the Brute Force & Ignorance Tendency – once represented by the Nazis.

The legitimacy of a democratic government & its laws are established at the ballot box, by the majority of voters. It is irrelevant what farangs (you or I) think of the resulting regime (Mr T, et al). Sad that you & I didn't approve of Mr T. Real sad, but farangs should mind their own business, & let the Thais tend their own business.

The Thais made their choice, so that is clear. Comment is allowable, but what kind of arrogance is it that assumes certain farangs can make superior choices?

The tide is turning, I hope towards a stable democratic system. Whatever, farangs have no role except as commentators. This commentator has lived long enuf to remember Nazi bombs & guns. He can assure you anti-democrats & jackboot-likkers that those who fought against them were the democrats, those behind them were its enemies.

The Reds represent the majority that has been robbed of its democratic rights. Like it or lump it, they are fighting for restoration of those rights. It is a struggle between the ballot & the bullet, the majority & the minority; between democratic legitimacy & law-&-order legalism. May the majority win.

Vox populi, vox dei. OGT

You appear to have a better grasp of events 70-80 years ago than those of today. This a symptom of Alzheimer's Disease, otherwise known as senile dementia. I would recommend seeing a specialist.

Mr. Ozmick, You should be ashamed.

[gemini81]

The farang anti-democracy posters seem to believe that democracy is extruded from the barrel of a gun, or pressed out from tank treads. It aint. That is the ideology of the Brute Force & Ignorance Tendency – once represented by the Nazis.

The legitimacy of a democratic government & its laws are established at the ballot box, by the majority of voters. It is irrelevant what farangs (you or I) think of the resulting regime (Mr T, et al). Sad that you & I didn't approve of Mr T. Real sad, but farangs should mind their own business, & let the Thais tend their own business.

The Thais made their choice, so that is clear. Comment is allowable, but what kind of arrogance is it that assumes certain farangs can make superior choices?

The tide is turning, I hope towards a stable democratic system. Whatever, farangs have no role except as commentators. This commentator has lived long enuf to remember Nazi bombs & guns. He can assure you anti-democrats & jackboot-likkers that those who fought against them were the democrats, those behind them were its enemies.

The Reds represent the majority that has been robbed of its democratic rights. Like it or lump it, they are fighting for restoration of those rights. It is a struggle between the ballot & the bullet, the majority & the minority; between democratic legitimacy & law-&-order legalism. May the majority win.

Vox populi, vox dei. OGT

You appear to have a better grasp of events 70-80 years ago than those of today. This a symptom of Alzheimer's Disease, otherwise known as senile dementia. I would recommend seeing a specialist.

Nazis? this is Thailand, and there is no european history in the equation. also it's a constitutional monarchy. you can give any party a title, but really these folks don't have democratic ideas, and they do things asian style. I know there are a lot of us here from european descent, but gotta look outside that scope. using "human rights" and "rights this and that are really western concepts, and thailand is still by far and large developing

[jdinasia]

When this thing first started, I told my wife it is easy to chase the Red Shirts out, just do more or less what Abhisit is proposing for this evening. She told me I was crazy (she says this a lot), and that you can't just cut off water and electricity to an area where other people live and where there are two hospitals (Chula and The Police General Hospital). I had to back off of my argument and agree with her.

Now, this is what Abhisit is threatening. Given I am now educated, I have to believe like the Red Shirts that it is a bluff.

Cutting off the electric and water to the protesters doesn't matter, they have plenty of stock on hand. But cutting it off to the residents forces the residents to leave the area.

That way, there will be no "collateral damage" should the shooting start again.

CHAPEAU!!

that was my thought as well

What do you do with all the people in Chula Hospital and The Police General Hospital? If you force them to leave, how is that different from the Reds' invasion of Chula Hospital?

Hospitals traditionally are on a separate circuit from their neighbors. Hospitals always have generators. They can be supplied. That they are in an area controlled by armed insurgents suggests that they should be evacuated.

[lannarebirth]

Too many characteristics match Red Shirt leaders and apologists to ignore:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_know_..._is_a_sociopath

[gregb]

The legitimacy of a democratic government & its laws are established at the ballot box, by the majority of voters.

The legitimacy of any government in a democracy is formed first and foremost by following the law. Voting is only 1 small part of the law.

The current government was formed in a completely legitimate manner, and followed the law in all details.

The Thaksin regime, by contrast, broke and disregarded the law, bribed and intimidated judges, and eviscerated the democratic institutions to such a degree that it necessitated a coup to restore it.

While the current government is totally legitimate, the Thaksin government was completely illegitimate. The red protesters should keep that in mind. They are not fighting for democracy, but tyranny.

[Steely Dan]

It's corruption versus corruption... The government has lost the edge already when they proposed that Road map.

Let me tell you that in the end this road map is a joke!!!! And the Red shirt leaders have done an excellent job of using it to their advantage!!!!

What planet are you on? The Roadmap could have been lifted in essence from the UDD manifesto. Abhisit probably knew a lot of the reds wouldn't buy it because of their paymaster Thaksin and the violent intimidator Seh Daeng who want nothing other than a factional coup within the army, but I think he was playing to the gallery of public opinion so when the inevitable end comes the reds will have little sympathy. As for corruption or for that matter violence, both sides are guilty but in terms of size and scope Thaksin presided over an infinitely worse situation and one which he was trying to make permanent by subverting the law and constitution in his favour - it is that and not the Yellowshirt protests which are the root cause of today's problems.

[brahmburgers]

No more election on November 14th....Government called off the deal

Well if that the case then was Abhisit sincere when he made the offer ???

It's called negotiations. For starters, most gov't officers wouldn't readily negotiate with terrorists. Abhisit is too nice for his own good, so he bent over to offer a very decent offer. The Reds said 'yes' - then they said 'yes' again, then they made silly demands. Then they made sillier demands, while still hinting at a 'yes' to the road map. After a week of childish dillying dallying, Abhisit did what he should have done one hour after making the offer: he essentially said, 'deal is off. No early dissolution of elections. You want trouble, we'll give you trouble.' (ok, my words, but that's essentially where it's at now).

Cracking heads is never an answer - look at how much support the PM has gained by not cracking heads. Too many hawks and warmongers coming out of the woodwork.

Yes, The PM will suffer serious flack when heads are cracked, but the Reds left him no alternative. The Reds have done everything to bring it to a violent confrontation. The threat of turning off water/elec, and sealing off the ingress/egress, should have been done weeks ago (I specifically suggested it back then). Plus, have sharpshooters taking aim to disable the generators.

I hope the gov't plan (to disperse the crowd) is a good one, and it's carried through with resolve. One thing's for sure, there will be a million 'Monday morning quarterbacks' after the smoke clears. I'll probably be one of them, with my "I suggested doing so 'n so"

I really wish I could sit in and advise A's top brass on the upcoming crowd dispersement. I say that because I really feel for Thailand and I like Abhisit and I hope the operation goes as reasonably smooth as possible, with as few injuries and deaths as can be expected. Best case scenario is a dozen deaths and about 40 injuries. That's because hot head idiots like Seh Dang and Kwanchai will be doing all they can to stir up their minion cannon fodder to cause as much mayhem as possible. Seh Daeng has a bunch of weapons and ammo. He knows it will be confiscated if he surrenders, and he knows he's in deep shit no matter what. So what's a hot-head loose cannon to do? This is the dawn of his most epic moment, the chance to show how good his defenses are and how many of his fellow hot heads he can get to fire weapons.

[dobadoy]

Here is a list of ways to identify a sociopath. This list is from "Profile of a Sociopath". Is is a pretty good list of sociopathic indicators.

Glibness/Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning

Grandiose Sense of Self

Pathological Lying

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt

Shallow Emotions

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation

Callousness/Lack of Empathy

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency

Irresponsibility/Unreliability

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them

Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them

Authoritarian

Secretive

Paranoid

Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired

Conventional appearance

Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)

Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life

Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)

Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim

Incapable of real human attachment to another

Unable to feel remorse or guilt

Narcissism, grandiosity (self-importance not based on achievements)

May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

Good lord, sounds like someone's leaked Thaksin's medical records!

:D