Thai Troops Hunt Militants As Bangkok Smoulders

[pornsasi]

you're selectively listening. The demagogue and the red leaders themselves have said bloodshed would help their case as martyrs, as a case in their defense. the more martyrs the merrier for them, to bring their case to international courts, or the UN. Only that back fired too.

They did use overwhelming force.

Didn't you see the videos of the massive forces on April 10/11 that was used, only for red shirts to storm loot and then destroy all the army's trucks, and injured scores of troops.

Little sympathy for starting a fire and bringing about hel_l and terror, then putting on fake monk's clothes and playing the role of innocent.

Protesters are protesters . Yes they should have gone along the roadmap and call it a day

i believe . All red leaders except Sae Daeng and Arisman were for it .

But its first of all for the governement to show responsability , when protesters face

the troops with sling shots , the troops should not use live ammos .

Some nutcase extremist reds protesters at the end where driven by anger , with their arson

which is plainly wrong . But to see the governement driven by anger is even lesser excusable

[pornsasi]

They tried that on May 10th until grenades and bullets coming from the red shirt side started to kill and injure soldiers.

You know the evidence is incontrovertible, there is an armed faction of the red shirt movement that doesn't have qualms on shooting people, security forces and civilians alike.

You dont have the slightest proof that red shirts shot soldiers dead on the 10th April .

[gemini81]

you're selectively listening. The demagogue and the red leaders themselves have said bloodshed would help their case as martyrs, as a case in their defense. the more martyrs the merrier for them, to bring their case to international courts, or the UN. Only that back fired too.

They did use overwhelming force.

Didn't you see the videos of the massive forces on April 10/11 that was used, only for red shirts to storm loot and then destroy all the army's trucks, and injured scores of troops.

Little sympathy for starting a fire and bringing about hel_l and terror, then putting on fake monk's clothes and playing the role of innocent.

Protesters are protesters . Yes they should have gone along the roadmap and call it a day

i believe . All red leaders except Sae Daeng and Arisman were for it .

But its first of all for the governement to show responsability , when protesters face

the troops with sling shots , the troops should not use live ammos .

Some nutcase extremist reds protesters at the end where driven by anger , with their arson

which is plainly wrong . But to see the governement driven by anger is even lesser excusable

Why? They ARE seen on many, many videos using live ammo when troops used rubber bullets (one example, lumpini) The journalists put themselves in harms way, unlike me out here at the end of Sukhumvit. And it wasnt coordinated troops doing damage, it was bandits with pistols and home made bombs. shame on you defending them! anyway, no one is buying you or what you say for an instant.

[gemini81]

They tried that on May 10th until grenades and bullets coming from the red shirt side started to kill and injure soldiers.

You know the evidence is incontrovertible, there is an armed faction of the red shirt movement that doesn't have qualms on shooting people, security forces and civilians alike.

You dont have the slightest proof that red shirts shot soldiers dead on the 10th April .

wake up and smell the buring tires, its all over the news and youtube for crying out loud! unarguable, da_ning evidence.

anyway, war is over, your hooligans lost. back to the lao kao and gambling for you.

[gemini81]

They tried that on May 10th until grenades and bullets coming from the red shirt side started to kill and injure soldiers.

You know the evidence is incontrovertible, there is an armed faction of the red shirt movement that doesn't have qualms on shooting people, security forces and civilians alike.

You dont have the slightest proof that red shirts shot soldiers dead on the 10th April .

watch what they did, and left behind. nice disgraceful graffiti they left behind in respect to their country too.

I have another one for you too, if you wanna be owned and have to stick your foor in your mouth. shows your cousins beating, shooting and hurting soldiers on that night.

[pornsasi]

wake up and smell the buring tires, its all over the news and youtube for crying out loud! unarguable, da_ning evidence.

anyway, war is over, your hooligans lost. back to the lao kao and gambling for you.

Burning tyres ? What has that to do with killing soldiers ?

I dont gamble neither money nor like the murderers you seem to support with the life of others even those that

do not agree with me .

You can be angry , but still you got no proof that reds shot dead soldiers on the 10th April .

[SomTumTiger]

No point in arguing with an idiot - they drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.

[gemini81]

wake up and smell the buring tires, its all over the news and youtube for crying out loud! unarguable, da_ning evidence.

anyway, war is over, your hooligans lost. back to the lao kao and gambling for you.

Burning tyres ? What has that to do with killing soldiers ?

I dont gamble neither money nor like the murderers you seem to support with the life of others even those that

do not agree with me .

You can be angry , but still you got no proof that reds shot dead soldiers on the 10th April .

after you watch the video, and if you used facts, soldiers are dead. fact. if you deny it you have no clue or you're a downright liar.

no one is angry, rather we laugh at your denial. you have a reputation on here and I know you know it too!

if you watch that video you must silence yourself once and for all. even with your 20 post per-day unemployment average.

[AleG]

They tried that on May 10th until grenades and bullets coming from the red shirt side started to kill and injure soldiers.

You know the evidence is incontrovertible, there is an armed faction of the red shirt movement that doesn't have qualms on shooting people, security forces and civilians alike.

You dont have the slightest proof that red shirts shot soldiers dead on the 10th April .

You mean, besides video footage of armed men among the red shirts shooting at the soldiers?

Pray tell, what would you take as evidence?

[Roadman]

So how many people have actually been detained after all this? I see hundreds going home on buses but very few of the "terrorists" being apprehended.

I read somewhere yesterday that there were about 150 taken down to Hua Hin ... or somewhere. The leaders were taken to Hua Hin. Not 100% sure where the others were taken.

Yes, while this was brewing there were numerous reports of 500 - 1,000 black shirted Ronin ninja patrol guards, or whatever they were called, loyal to Seh Daeng. I wonder who is leading them now, where they are, and when they will resurface

Yes they are the ones who should be hunted down. Either the Army or CRES were taking photos of them during the standoff. There were some shots that they released of some of them while they were trying to local where they were up high. Possibly why the ground troops were afraid to move in early for the risk of being head shot by a Black Goon before the Army snipers could locate and deal to them first. They also have a likely mob to get some squeals from in the Hua Hin playgrounds. Some of them will be identified and they should be rounded up by the Thai elite troops. Don't give them the chance to re surface again.

The basis Red on the front line with his sling shot pited against the likelihood of a bullet in the head, well, if he has got away then good luck to him. Leave him be. Some of the silly buggers were drunk or Yabaa' ed up as well. A bugger of a way to earn your booze or drugs for the day. I hope Thaksie has paid them their hard earned ฿฿฿'s.

[gemini81]

So how many people have actually been detained after all this? I see hundreds going home on buses but very few of the "terrorists" being apprehended.

I read somewhere yesterday that there were about 150 taken down to Hua Hin ... or somewhere. The leaders were taken to Hua Hin. Not 100% sure where the others were taken.

Yes, while this was brewing there were numerous reports of 500 - 1,000 black shirted Ronin ninja patrol guards, or whatever they were called, loyal to Seh Daeng. I wonder who is leading them now, where they are, and when they will resurface

Yes they are the ones who should be hunted down. Either the Army or CRES were taking photos of them during the standoff. There were some shots that they released of some of them while they were trying to local where they were up high. Possibly why the ground troops were afraid to move in early for the risk of being head shot by a Black Goon before the Army snipers could locate and deal to them first. They also have a likely mob to get some squeals from in the Hua Hin playgrounds. Some of them will be identified and they should be rounded up by the Thai elite troops. Don't give them the chance to re surface again.

The basis Red on the front line with his sling shot pited against the likelihood of a bullet in the head, well, if he has got away then good luck to him. Leave him be. Some of the silly buggers were drunk or Yabaa' ed up as well. A bugger of a way to earn your booze or drugs for the day. I hope Thaksie has paid them their hard earned ฿฿฿'s.

I got a message in the phone to avoid khlong toey and din daeng tonight, it said men in black will likely emerge for revenge. Stay out of there!!!! Maybe yes, maybe no but sure they're out there, trained, and seeking vengeance.

[SomTumTiger]

I got a message in the phone to avoid khlong toey and din daeng tonight, it said men in black will likely emerge for revenge. Stay out of there!!!! Maybe yes, maybe no but sure they're out there, trained, and seeking vengeance.

Fortunately, the army is also out, and will be a good opportunity to put down some terrorists.

[pornsasi]

wake up and smell the buring tires, its all over the news and youtube for crying out loud! unarguable, da_ning evidence.

anyway, war is over, your hooligans lost. back to the lao kao and gambling for you.

Burning tyres ? What has that to do with killing soldiers ?

I dont gamble neither money nor like the murderers you seem to support with the life of others even those that

do not agree with me .

You can be angry , but still you got no proof that reds shot dead soldiers on the 10th April .

after you watch the video, and if you used facts, soldiers are dead. fact. if you deny it you have no clue or you're a downright liar.

no one is angry, rather we laugh at your denial. you have a reputation on here and I know you know it too!

if you watch that video you must silence yourself once and for all. even with your 20 post per-day unemployment average.

I watched your video , i see no reds shooting .

The truth is we dont know who shot the soldiers , could be provocators , could be

ppl that want to protect the reds , anything . But no proof either way .

It seems it was ppl on the roof that shot and i heard report that soldiers fired back

. As you can see on your video soldiers are shooting up towards the roof .

It could even be that soldiers were trying to protect the reds from gun fire coming

from the roof and some red guards helped them

Now that was on 10th April .

The more recent event different , violent reds , lethal soldiers who in my views

should have used non lethal method for crowd dispersal

[Roadman]

wake up and smell the buring tires, its all over the news and youtube for crying out loud! unarguable, da_ning evidence.

anyway, war is over, your hooligans lost. back to the lao kao and gambling for you.

Burning tyres ? What has that to do with killing soldiers ?

I dont gamble neither money nor like the murderers you seem to support with the life of others even those that

do not agree with me .

You can be angry , but still you got no proof that reds shot dead soldiers on the 10th April .

after you watch the video, and if you used facts, soldiers are dead. fact. if you deny it you have no clue or you're a downright liar.

no one is angry, rather we laugh at your denial. you have a reputation on here and I know you know it too!

if you watch that video you must silence yourself once and for all. even with your 20 post per-day unemployment average.

pornsasi's defence of the Reds not shooting soldiers (edited from people) on Black Saturday is more than likely correct. However by stating that the Black Goons led by Sae Dung took out the Army command post by murdering them would be more than likely very correct.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Roadman

[pornsasi]

No point in arguing with an idiot - they drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.

Agree with you for once . .

[Krungbin]

The attempted coup's "grass roots" support (if it ever existed) is clearly not evident now. There are no masses uprising in the provinces, not even in Thaksins home province.

This is such a critical point.

What should be added is that throughout the reds occupation of Bangkok, not one neighbourhood and not one workers' group came out and joined them.

The reds are an enemy of the working class.

The red apologists are clearly deluding themselves as to their support.

Maybe not a whole neighborhood but many locals joined them as their numbers increased each lunch time and evening. Of course they might just have been there for the entertainment

I just hope they can get on with it. They alll have red hearts and are all Thai's

After this past 2 months i am sure this goverment and the next one will add reform that will benifit the Reds up in Essan.

Absolutely right!

But people only see what they want to see, and people only remember what they want to remember...

And, in politics (not only in Thailand!), it is amazing to see how people have a bad memory!

They already had. Free education program, improving 30 baht health scheme, trying to get rid of middle-man rice scam, social security, debt forgiveness for farmers. More than Thaksin ever did.

[citizen33]

I still have the hugely controversial thought in my mind that what happened in the temple may have been worse than what happened in Central World. In all honesty I do not know which side was responsible for the fatalities in a so-called safe zone, but it needs proper investigation. This is important because stories of what happened - alleged shooting in a Buddhist temple etc - are going to circulate in Isaan and the North.

[earthpig]

footage shot yesterday in Din Daeng. the evidence suggest substantial use of live ammunition agains the red shirts, and substantial arson.

[pornsasi]

pornsasi's defence of the Reds not shooting soldiers (edited from people) on Black Saturday is more than likely correct. However by stating that the Black Goons led by Sae Dung took out the Army command post by murdering them would be more than likely very correct.

Maybe you are right . But why would Sae Daeng do that if the regular army on the ground was not shooting at the reds ?

[pornsasi]

I still have the hugely controversial thought in my mind that what happened in the temple may have been worse than what happened in Central World. In all honesty I do not know which side was responsible for the fatalities in a so-called safe zone, but it needs proper investigation. This is important because stories of what happened - alleged shooting in a Buddhist temple etc - are going to circulate in Isaan and the North.

Hopefully we will see an honest investigation with some evidence .

If we dont we will all know the answer , and so will Isaan

[ozzieman05]

never satisfied with their fair share, like their demagogue.

And why THEIR demagogue . Did i say am pro Thaksin ?

You will never find a post of me saying Thaksin is good

quite the contrary .

So dont put words in my mouth .

But enough post suggest you support the red-terrorists

I dont support murderers from army shooting dead civilians in a temple .

Those are the real terrorists .

I have some sympathie for many of the red grievances .

I dont approve of arson and destruction of property

so your saying they where dead when shot

you need to look at you punctuation

[earthpig]

in Din Daeng yesterday, police patrol with guns drawn. right before this clip, they were shooting in the air as locals got too close.

on the evidence, it would appear that relations between residents and authorities has a long way to go to heal the wounds.

at the end of the clip you can hear the tall copper them tell the goup of locals im with to beat it.

at which i show myself to be a law abiding person....

look how nervous is the policeman guarding the tail of the police platoon

no smiles in Din Daeng yesterday.

[way2muchcoffee]

I still have the hugely controversial thought in my mind that what happened in the temple may have been worse than what happened in Central World. In all honesty I do not know which side was responsible for the fatalities in a so-called safe zone, but it needs proper investigation. This is important because stories of what happened - alleged shooting in a Buddhist temple etc - are going to circulate in Isaan and the North.

Agree that the temple shootings are very serious. The investigation needs to be totally transparent the the results need to be made public as soon as possible, regardless of who is the guilty party.

[pornsasi]

so your saying they where dead when shot

you need to look at you punctuation

Alright , done . Bottom line is that you understood

[nickupton]

"Thai troops hunt militants as Bangkok smoulders"

And may they have a safe and successful hunting trip.

Yep, if they need a few baht for some extra bullets I'm happy to chip in.

[nickupton]

Peaceful, unarmed protestors:

BBC video of #redshirts firing M16's: http://is.gd/cih90 /via @sternos #bangkok

A few armed reds extremists among thousands of reds does not make the movement

an armed insurrection .

And the thai marines are trained by the US in non lethal means of dispersing/arresting protesters

No excuses for the many killings including of journalists

In footage I saw of the Italian journalist who had been killed he had fallen towards the direction that the Thai army were coming from. This would suggest that he had been shot from the opposite direction. Obviously this is not foolproof evidence, I am just stating what it suggests - in my opinion as the reds stated that they were targeting the press, and have made good on that promise, it would seem most likely that the reds were responsible for these deaths and injuries.

100s of guns were seized from the Thai army on 10th April and although some were returned, 100s remained unaccounted for, so we are not talking about a few armed extremists we are talking about 100s. Plus all those guys Seh Daeng kept boasting about beforehand.

[AleG]

I watched your video , i see no reds shooting .

The truth is we dont know who shot the soldiers , could be provocators , could be

ppl that want to protect the reds , anything . But no proof either way .

It seems it was ppl on the roof that shot and i heard report that soldiers fired back

. As you can see on your video soldiers are shooting up towards the roof .

It could even be that soldiers were trying to protect the reds from gun fire coming

from the roof and some red guards helped them

Now that was on 10th April .

The more recent event different , violent reds , lethal soldiers who in my views

should have used non lethal method for crowd dispersal

First thing, I've been talking about evidence, not proof. Go back, read what I wrote and please try to address what I actually say and not what you consider convenient.

I said the evidence of an armed group among the red shirts on the 10th of May is indisputable, also the evidence of armed groups among the red shirts in the Rachaprasong crackdown is also undeniable. Red guards have been seen carrying weapons and raids on some of their homes have yielded weapons too.

Based on that evidence and the fact that since the red shirts came into Bangkok there has been an almost uninterrupted string of grenade and shootings against "enemies" of the red shirts, in my opinion it paints a pretty damning picture of the movement.

On top of that we have video evidence of the red shirt leaders threatening to burn down the city in more than one speech, we had Seh Daeng boasting about the "Ronin Warriors", that actor cought with war weapons, the grenade delivery caught on route to a red shirt clash, the grenades, ammunition, guns and home made explosives found in the Rachaprasong area, etc, etc.

[AleG]

Peaceful, unarmed protestors:

BBC video of #redshirts firing M16's: http://is.gd/cih90 /via @sternos #bangkok

A few armed reds extremists among thousands of reds does not make the movement

an armed insurrection .

And the thai marines are trained by the US in non lethal means of dispersing/arresting protesters

No excuses for the many killings including of journalists

In footage I saw of the Italian journalist who had been killed he had fallen towards the direction that the Thai army were coming from. This would suggest that he had been shot from the opposite direction. Obviously this is not foolproof evidence, I am just stating what it suggests - in my opinion as the reds stated that they were targeting the press, and have made good on that promise, it would seem most likely that the reds were responsible for these deaths and injuries.

100s of guns were seized from the Thai army on 10th April and although some were returned, 100s remained unaccounted for, so we are not talking about a few armed extremists we are talking about 100s. Plus all those guys Seh Daeng kept boasting about beforehand.

There's another journalist seriously injured from a grenade attack the same day, I think we have all seen those photos of the journalist and several horribly mangled soldiers bleeding on the ground.

[earthpig]

In footage I saw of the Italian journalist who had been killed he had fallen towards the direction that the Thai army were coming from. This would suggest that he had been shot from the opposite direction. Obviously this is not foolproof evidence, I am just stating what it suggests - in my opinion as the reds stated that they were targeting the press, and have made good on that promise, it would seem most likely that the reds were responsible for these deaths and injuries.

think about it.

your a defending armed red and you see dozens of thai army headed straight for you.

i seriously doubt your brain would even register the journalist. but if it did, you would have ignored him. the threat to the red's life wasnt a camera. it was the soldiers' guns.

a picture i saw showed not only the dead italian but also two badly wounded thai soldiers next to him. the caption said an RPG did it but i can tell you that is incorrect for the RPG would have created far more physical damage to the park fence and column nearby.

from the damage to one of the thai soldiers arms i would judge a simple grenade is what killed the italian and hurt the soldiers. the photographer wasnt being targeted. he just got in the way of shrapnel.

and that will happen if photographers are allowed to accompany first wave troops. personally, i think this is a very bad idea but all armies seem to allow it, indeed encourage it. why these photographers dont value their lives, i really dont understand. to each his own.

[hextac]

In footage I saw of the Italian journalist who had been killed he had fallen towards the direction that the Thai army were coming from. This would suggest that he had been shot from the opposite direction. Obviously this is not foolproof evidence, I am just stating what it suggests - in my opinion as the reds stated that they were targeting the press, and have made good on that promise, it would seem most likely that the reds were responsible for these deaths and injuries.

think about it.

your a defending armed red and you see dozens of thai army headed straight for you.

i seriously doubt your brain would even register the journalist. but if it did, you would have ignored him. the threat to the red's life wasnt a camera. it was the soldiers' guns.

a picture i saw showed not only the dead italian but also two badly wounded thai soldiers next to him. the caption said an RPG did it but i can tell you that is incorrect for the RPG would have created far more physical damage to the park fence and column nearby.

from the damage to one of the thai soldiers arms i would judge a simple grenade is what killed the italian and hurt the soldiers. the photographer wasnt being targeted. he just got in the way of shrapnel.

and that will happen if photographers are allowed to accompany first wave troops. personally, i think this is a very bad idea but all armies seem to allow it, indeed encourage it. why these photographers dont value their lives, i really dont understand. to each his own.

Two different journalists.