Retirement In Thailand?

[Jimi007]

I plan on staying here as long as I can, but one thing to keep in mind. Thailand is not inviting you to live here. If you come, you invited yourself. Don't be fooled that the retirement visa option is a warm official welcome, this is and will remain a xenophobic country.

Don't let this go to your head, but I agree with you once again! I've had to define xenophobic many times to farangs...

I live in a fairly small community. My GF just went to the local Siam Commercial Bank to pay the UBC bill and was asked by the teller, where's your boyfriend? She went to one of the small markets here, they asked where I am as well. Once you live in a community in Thailand for a number of years and try to speak some Thai and get along with the locals, one can gain some respect, even a farang! But, everyone seems to know everyone and then there is the soup sip (gossip), you have to put up with... Oh well, it's a tough life!

[ThaiPauly]

Lived here retired 6 years...who else would have me????

So I will stay if they let me

[Chaimai]

Women; If you've lived here before for any appreciable length of time, you'll understand that 99% of relationships between farang and easily won over Thai (Lao Issan) girls are bogus. So avoid. If you're 65 and the girl next to you is half your age or most often less . . . you know you've done a wrongun'.

Above all, don't lock yourself into anything. I know plenty of old chaps out here, quite poorly now, with a young little thing going through the last of the money and waiting for the old boy to die. Not a nice way to spend your last days.

I still quite enjoy waking up next to someone almost 20 years my junior. On the assumption that I don't trade her in as she gets close to 40, I hope she will be kind and caring as she waits for me to die.

[MJP]

Women; If you've lived here before for any appreciable length of time, you'll understand that 99% of relationships between farang and easily won over Thai (Lao Issan) girls are bogus. So avoid. If you're 65 and the girl next to you is half your age or most often less . . . you know you've done a wrongun'.

Above all, don't lock yourself into anything. I know plenty of old chaps out here, quite poorly now, with a young little thing going through the last of the money and waiting for the old boy to die. Not a nice way to spend your last days.

I still quite enjoy waking up next to someone almost 20 years my junior. On the assumption that I don't trade her in as she gets close to 40, I hope she will be kind and caring as she waits for me to die.

There are of course exceptions. But some of these old boys get in way over their heads and really . . . come the crunch . . . are extremely vulnerable.

I think you can, as a man, go to Thailand and enjoy a lot of other normal things and yet keep away from getting tangled up with girl friends and especially marriage.

I just don't like the odds.

[Chaimai]

Women; If you've lived here before for any appreciable length of time, you'll understand that 99% of relationships between farang and easily won over Thai (Lao Issan) girls are bogus. So avoid. If you're 65 and the girl next to you is half your age or most often less . . . you know you've done a wrongun'.

Above all, don't lock yourself into anything. I know plenty of old chaps out here, quite poorly now, with a young little thing going through the last of the money and waiting for the old boy to die. Not a nice way to spend your last days.

I still quite enjoy waking up next to someone almost 20 years my junior. On the assumption that I don't trade her in as she gets close to 40, I hope she will be kind and caring as she waits for me to die.

There are of course exceptions. But some of these old boys get in way over their heads and really . . . come the crunch . . . are extremely vulnerable.

I think you can, as a man, go to Thailand and enjoy a lot of other normal things and yet keep away from getting tangled up with girl friends and especially marriage.

I just don't like the odds.

I am not sure that the odds are so much better elsewhere - check the stats.

Having experienced 2 failed marriages, do I think my current relationship is for life ? No, as with elsewhere, it will continue as long as it meets the needs of two parties.

[chiang mai]

I vote probably not, but of course, hindsight is always 100%.

[MJP]

Women; If you've lived here before for any appreciable length of time, you'll understand that 99% of relationships between farang and easily won over Thai (Lao Issan) girls are bogus. So avoid. If you're 65 and the girl next to you is half your age or most often less . . . you know you've done a wrongun'.

Above all, don't lock yourself into anything. I know plenty of old chaps out here, quite poorly now, with a young little thing going through the last of the money and waiting for the old boy to die. Not a nice way to spend your last days.

I still quite enjoy waking up next to someone almost 20 years my junior. On the assumption that I don't trade her in as she gets close to 40, I hope she will be kind and caring as she waits for me to die.

There are of course exceptions. But some of these old boys get in way over their heads and really . . . come the crunch . . . are extremely vulnerable.

I think you can, as a man, go to Thailand and enjoy a lot of other normal things and yet keep away from getting tangled up with girl friends and especially marriage.

I just don't like the odds.

I am not sure that the odds are so much better elsewhere - check the stats.

Having experienced 2 failed marriages, do I think my current relationship is for life ? No, as with elsewhere, it will continue as long as it meets the needs of two parties.

Well I've only had the one and agree the odds ain't great anywhere. All that's out of the system now, this need to support people and have families and wotnot.

Enjoying and looking forward to a life without such responsibilities again.

On another forum I advise young fellas to skip all this marriage and house buying and career nonsense and jump straight to the aging caravan and mid-life crisis motorcycle most are destined for. It's much easier!

[sarahsbloke]

Eaxample Baht was 72 = 1GBP and I was getting 5.5% return on capital, now its 45 and 0% respectively you do the math - yes 100B costs me 3 times as much as 18 months ago and couple that with the thai habit of putting prices up when business is bad.

For those with a slightly longer memory, 10-15 years worth

Bht 25 = 1 UKP

Bht 90 = 1UKP

Bht 72 = 1 UKP

Bht 55 = 1 UKP

Bht 45 = 1 UKP

So we are still winning the exchange sweepstakes at the moment.

Edited May 24, 2010 by sarahsbloke

[Naam]

1. You budget for the things you want. I have a healthy budget.

Old but wise advice. Dont invest more in Thailand then you can afford to loose.

it's a stupid and ignorant advice because this advice applies to each and every investment anywhere and is not limited to Thailand.

I would say that having viewed the events here over the last couple of years my money would have been slightly better invested in London. The advice i was given to do that, and infact ignored, was very good advice in hindsight would'nt you agree?

With the corruption and political turmoil here it certainly would'nt be stupid to advise "buyer beware" when investing here. Very prudent i think.

Given my time again, i'd invest nothing more than the cost of a two week holiday here. I'm not knocking the country as a destination because i think it's a lovely country, but not a place to invest, certainly not now

it depends on how one defines "investment". most people think the roof above their heads is an investment which has to yield profits once it is sold, others consider the cost for this roof as a part of their life style. some people enjoy living in Thailand for years as if they are on permanent holidays, frequenting bars in one year more often then they did "at home" in decades, chasing <insert preferred gender>, owning nothing but a couple of suitcases and their laptop, others ship one or two containers with their belongings and live the regular and comfortable life they were used to spending a fraction of the cost they'd spend in their home countries.

apropos corruption... some people abhor it, some enjoy it when they can solve a problem with money; whether it is a one-hundred Baht note for a needy Boy in Brown or a thick stuffed envelope which might solve a problem which can't be solved at all in other countries. a common denominator does not exist, "to each his own" applies. live and let live, don't give advice if you are not asked for advice! does anybody think the bunch of Farangs who settled here, lead happy lives perhaps since many years, have strong family ties, beautiful children and have invested their hard earned money are appreciating any advice which starts "don't... if Thailand.." ?

[robint]

Eaxample Baht was 72 = 1GBP and I was getting 5.5% return on capital, now its 45 and 0% respectively you do the math - yes 100B costs me 3 times as much as 18 months ago and couple that with the thai habit of putting prices up when business is bad.

For those with a slightly longer memory, 10-15 years worth

Bht 25 = 1 UKP

Bht 90 = 1UKP

Bht 72 = 1 UKP

Bht 55 = 1 UKP

Bht 45 = 1 UKP

So we are still winning the exchange sweepstakes at the moment.

Fair point

when i came here some 20 years ago - happy days - when you had to try hard to get into trouble in pataya

it was 38B / GBP and a beer in an average bar was 25B

Now its 45B and beer is B65+

so relatively cost of living is up nearly double

same applies to appartment rents

I paid B2000/mnth for a small bungalow, now the same bungalow is 10,000

so that is a relative increase of fourfold

some staple products, veggies and normal food stuffs are cheaper or around same price in UK

Clothes are cheaper in uk

So its not that cheap anymore

Cost of pussy, can be cheap if you keep control of it, but how many flangs start off with a BG who says I only want money for my family say B6-8k and before you know it she is costing you 15 - 20K a month with all her extras she wastes your money on

Here's a budget, not to tight cheap charlie but not stoopid either

Girl 20k (includes all those drinks and snacks you constantly have to pay for when taking her around)

House 10K

your exes, say 20K

transport taxis etc 5k

visas runs 2k

medical 1k

flights (1 per year but per month) 3k

NO CAR, motorcyc rent 2k

Contingencies 2k

Say B65k would be a reasonable estimate assuming you dont go whoring around or play golf, then double it.

My pension used to cover that comfortably with plenty in hand for amusements, but not anymore in Pattaya - phuket is more expensive still.

I guess many posters will say they dont spend that up country (provided they didnt build a stoopid house) you can get away with a lot less but its not much of a life and those i encountered up country were well wierd loners and terminal drunks

IMHO LOS has been pricing itself out of the market for some time now and I dont see a change in the trend.

[sarahsbloke]

IMHO LOS has been pricing itself out of the market for some time now and I dont see a change in the trend

Maybe Pattaya has been pricing itself out of the market ............

but

Living in ChiangMai is considerably cheaper and has all the advantages of Pattaya (except the dirty sea)

A large Chang in a Thai beer bar served by female university students is around 45-50bht a bottle, and I'm pretty sure your income went up over the past 20 years ... from the prices you quote, I'm certainly better off now.

Using average UK income

used to be 38bht to 1 UKP and an income of 12k UKP a year (beer 25bht)

verses 45bht to 1 UKP and an income of 23k UKP a year (beer 50bht)

Anyone know what the UK pension was 20 years ago and today?

Edited May 24, 2010 by sarahsbloke

[OriginalPoster]

IMHO LOS has been pricing itself out of the market for some time now and I dont see a change in the trend

Maybe Pattaya has been pricing itself out of the market ............

but

Living in ChiangMai is considerably cheaper and has all the advantages of Pattaya (except the dirty sea)

A large Chang in a Thai beer bar served by female university students is around 45-50bht a bottle, and I'm pretty sure your income went up over the past 20 years ... from the prices you quote, I'm certainly better off now.

Using average UK income

used to be 38bht to 1 UKP and an income of 12k UKP a year (beer 25bht)

verses 45bht to 1 UKP and an income of 23k UKP a year (beer 50bht)

Anyone know what the UK pension was 20 years ago and today?

And the expats around there seem to be a pretty agreeable bunch to boot.

[philliphn]

OP, The success you have in Thailand will all come down to who you surround yourself with. Like a teenage child growing up, if he hangs with the bad crowd, bad things will happen to him. Thailand is no different for its expats, if you lay with dogs you will most likely end up with fleas.

Considering the OP's #1 stated reason for moving here was the "Girls", I think it safe to say he won't find himself being surrounded by the "best and brightest"

Ultimately his #1 reason for moving here will probably be the # 1 reason for his demise here.

Of course, if he's at retirement age, what on earth is his interest in "Girls"?? Perhaps he meant to type women.

Read my post again. I wrote "women".

I am not coming to Thailand with the expectation of stimulating intellectual conversations with Thais. If they ahppen all well and good. If they don't ok.

[yabaaaa]

IMHO LOS has been pricing itself out of the market for some time now and I dont see a change in the trend

Maybe Pattaya has been pricing itself out of the market ............

but

Living in ChiangMai is considerably cheaper and has all the advantages of Pattaya (except the dirty sea)

A large Chang in a Thai beer bar served by female university students is around 45-50bht a bottle, and I'm pretty sure your income went up over the past 20 years ... from the prices you quote, I'm certainly better off now.

Using average UK income

used to be 38bht to 1 UKP and an income of 12k UKP a year (beer 25bht)

verses 45bht to 1 UKP and an income of 23k UKP a year (beer 50bht)

Anyone know what the UK pension was 20 years ago and today?

I know exactly, its crap same as 20 years ago and 20 years into the future................ guaranteed

[philliphn]

OP, The success you have in Thailand will all come down to who you surround yourself with. Like a teenage child growing up, if he hangs with the bad crowd, bad things will happen to him. Thailand is no different for its expats, if you lay with dogs you will most likely end up with fleas.

Considering the OP's #1 stated reason for moving here was the "Girls", I think it safe to say he won't find himself being surrounded by the "best and brightest"

Ultimately his #1 reason for moving here will probably be the # 1 reason for his demise here.

Of course, if he's at retirement age, what on earth is his interest in "Girls"?? Perhaps he meant to type women.

Read my post again. I wrote "women".

I am not coming to Thailand with the expectation of stimulating intellectual conversations with Thais. If they ahppen all well and good. If they don't ok.

[BigWheelMan]

Eaxample Baht was 72 = 1GBP and I was getting 5.5% return on capital, now its 45 and 0% respectively you do the math - yes 100B costs me 3 times as much as 18 months ago and couple that with the thai habit of putting prices up when business is bad.

For those with a slightly longer memory, 10-15 years worth

Bht 25 = 1 UKP

Bht 90 = 1UKP

Bht 72 = 1 UKP

Bht 55 = 1 UKP

Bht 45 = 1 UKP

So we are still winning the exchange sweepstakes at the moment.

Yes this is true, BUT:

15 odd years ago when the baht rates were between 36 to 41 baht = £1, the cost of living in Thailand was about a quarter compared to today’s standards and the Thai banks were offering up to 13% interest on savings.

With 1 million baht in a Thai bank, one could live very comfortably on the interest without dipping into the capital and if my memory serves me right, the amount required in a Thai bank account by Immigration for retirees was only 150000 baht later rising up to 200000 baht.

There are still some ex-pat retirees living in Thailand only requiring the above amounts for a retirement visa, because those amounts have been grandfather`d.

The present bank interest and exchange rates cannot be equated with the rates from 15 years ago, totally different scenario.

Another point worth mentioning for those who want to settle here for the girls, is that women can be one of the most expensive commodities in Thailand, especially for the older guys who prefer much younger women. Nothing wrong with preferring younger girls, just that it`s going to cost you.

Maybe some years ago Thai girls would be contented just to be with a guy for security and having a roof over their head, but in most cases that’s all changed today.

Edited May 24, 2010 by BigWheelMan

[Jimi007]

@OP, you just don't understand Thailand or Thai people it seems. Don't even try to retire here, you will not like it. Vacation here and go back to the USA to live. There are women here, but you had better be careful of them! Don't bother to listen to any of us that have been living here for quite a while! Good luck, you'll need it! Kwai!

[philliphn]

@OP, you just don't understand Thailand or Thai people it seems. Don't even try to retire here, you will not like it. Vacation here and go back to the USA to live. There are women here, but you had better be careful of them! Don't bother to listen to any of us that have been living here for quite a while! Good luck, you'll need it! Kwai!

Jim you seem to be one of thoses arrogant types who think that only they have the knowledge.

I am not afraid of Thai women. I have had nothing to fear from them on previous visits. I am not blinded to the reality of human nature. I don't look at the world threw rose clored glases.

It is still likely that I will retire in Thailand. Though I may wait a year to move there and watch developments carefully. I probably will be very happy in Thailand.

I have learned a lot from other people's mistakes.

Your statement of "don't bother to listen to any of us that have been living here for quite a while". Is malicious and mean spirited.

I wish you good luck. You will need it!

[Jimi007]

@OP, you just don't understand Thailand or Thai people it seems. Don't even try to retire here, you will not like it. Vacation here and go back to the USA to live. There are women here, but you had better be careful of them! Don't bother to listen to any of us that have been living here for quite a while! Good luck, you'll need it! Kwai!

Jim you seem to be one of thoses arrogant types who think that only they have the knowledge.

I am not afraid of Thai women. I have had nothing to fear from them on previous visits. I am not blinded to the reality of human nature. I don't look at the world threw rose clored glases.

It is still likely that I will retire in Thailand. Though I may wait a year to move there and watch developments carefully. I probably will be very happy in Thailand.

I have learned a lot from other people's mistakes.

Your statement of "don't bother to listen to any of us that have been living here for quite a while". Is malicious and mean spirited.

I wish you good luck. You will need it!

It is the truth. I tried to warn you of some of the down falls in earlier posts, in a nice way. But your reposting of your main interest is women, especially in Pattaya, made me snap finally. You should be afraid of them! How many farangs seem to fall off a balcony each year there? I'm sorry if you found my comment malicious. I'll refrain from commenting further. Up to you as they say. I have very good luck here now, but as I said in an earlier post, the learning curve is somewhat steep. Everyone is different, no matter where they are from. There are good and bad people from everywhere in the world. I look at the world through photo gray lenses;-) By the way I'm not arrogant, just somewhat condescending...

Best wishes, Jimi

Edited May 24, 2010 by Jimi007

[philliphn]

@OP, you just don't understand Thailand or Thai people it seems. Don't even try to retire here, you will not like it. Vacation here and go back to the USA to live. There are women here, but you had better be careful of them! Don't bother to listen to any of us that have been living here for quite a while! Good luck, you'll need it! Kwai!

Jim you seem to be one of thoses arrogant types who think that only they have the knowledge.

I am not afraid of Thai women. I have had nothing to fear from them on previous visits. I am not blinded to the reality of human nature. I don't look at the world threw rose clored glases.

It is still likely that I will retire in Thailand. Though I may wait a year to move there and watch developments carefully. I probably will be very happy in Thailand.

I have learned a lot from other people's mistakes.

Your statement of "don't bother to listen to any of us that have been living here for quite a while". Is malicious and mean spirited.

I wish you good luck. You will need it!

It is the truth. I tried to warn you of some of the down falls in earlier posts, in a nice way. But your reposting of your main interest is women, especially in Pattaya, made me snap finally. You should be afraid of them! How many farangs seem to fall off a balcony each year there? I'm sorry if you found my comment malicious. I'll refrain from commenting further. Up to you as they say. I have very good luck here now, but as I said in an earlier post, the learning curve is somewhat steep. Everyone is different, no matter where they are from. There are good and bad people from everywhere in the world. I look at the world through photo gray lenses;-)

Best wishes, Jimi

I recommend that you do more extensive due dilligence. This would have improved your learning curve.

I know that their are problems for an expat in Thailand. I have been researching and observing this for years.

One advice that many give. Which seems truer than ever before is to rent not buy. Not every one is looking for a commited relationship. This is up to you. Why so offended by my interest in Thai women? Most men have an interest in women.

I was going to Pattaya for the beautiful beaches LOL. The stimulating conversations that I was expecting to have with the average Thai, and Hi-Sos, that will be queing to acquaint themselves with me LOL. To become a Budhist LOL. To invest in buying several Beer Bars LOL. To put all my wealth in Thailand LOL. To buy the most expensive house I can LOL. To enjoy the clean streets LOL. To walk the safe side walks LOL. To jog down Beach road at 0200 hrs LOL. To drink tap water LOL. To swim in Pattaya Bay LOL. To marry a Bar Girl LOL. Then I can just give her a motor bike, a house, and support all her family and friends (laugh out loud/LOL). Lend money to expats that I meet in bars for investments LOL.

[Sateev]

At the moment i am visiting relatives in Britain,the sun is shinning and where i am is lovely .All i am thinking about is coming home to my wife and son in Thailand, i wouldnt live anywhere else ,go for it and just accept it as it is ,not the way you want it to be.

Best advice I've seen here yet.

If you know Thailand, and can adapt to it (not the other way around), you can/will be happy there.

If you can, apply for a long stay (O-A) visa in your home country, close to your departure date, then enjoy almost two years before you have to bring any cash to Thailand. Plenty of time to decide it it's for you, and to see which way the wind blows.

At least that's my plan for later this year. I have lived there before, and I like living Thai-style, so, for me, it's a no-brainer.

Sateev

[moe666]

When I was working and taking vacations people would ask me, why Thailand and my response would be I may not come back. Of course they would say huh? Well Thailand is a wild and crazy place no traffic rules, kamakazi drivers, no osha, no food and drug adminstration, no epa, no 12 step programs, no PC, and no limits on what your imigination can contrive to spice up your life, by the way it is easy to get killed and injured if you donot pay attention.

Thailand is not the place for the weak and afraid you are on your own no nanny to help out.

I spent the months of Feb.,Mar.,and April in Thailand, needed to go Chulalongkorn Hospital with the girlfriend(her son hurt in motorbike accident) saw the redshirts (what a bunch of loosers) but never felt personally threatned. Drove a motorbike thru Bangkok traffic no injuries but on arrival at the girlfriends house changed the diaper.

retire to Thailand and you will either feel totally free, or threatened from ever direction, are you weak and afraid if so stay home( as some posters on this thread should have).

[witold]

You are about to retire. You have decent savings and decent income.

You now have all the free time you could ever want.

Don't think of it as 'retirement'. Think of it as a few months vacation in LOS. If you like it, great. If you get bored, start taking some trips to Vietnam, Philippines - anywhere you want to check out. It is easy, quick, and relatively cheap out of Bangkok.

If your previous 4 times were to Pattaya then I guess you might be happy with Pattaya. (I have never been.) But everyone describes it as a fake city, with fake beach, fake people, and full of Euro dirtbags and this experience seems to go stale for most people after a while. Have you been to other parts of LOS? If not, you should take a relaxing road trip around LOS and check it out. You will be rewarded with great sites and experiences.

[GreenSnapper]

Why worry so much? Just come here an see yourself.

The only requirement is sufficient money. If the 800K gives you headaches or your pension just fullfills the minimm requirements (65K), you may soon come into trouble. But if this is all pocket money, then go for it.

Just don't invest here and keep a back door open. If things get worse again, fly to Malaysia which gives you 3 months visa at the border.

And the girls don't need to be expensive. Just stay out of the bars. There are ten thousands of proper girls available, if you have some behavior and game.

Stop the worries and act. Life is too short.

[Naam]

If your previous 4 times were to Pattaya then I guess you might be happy with Pattaya. (I have never been.) But everyone describes it as a fake city, with fake beach, fake people, and full of Euro dirtbags and this experience seems to go stale for most people after a while.

who, pray tell, is this "Everyone"? he does not seem to be a Euro dirt bag. did you meet him at a first class lounge when you were waiting for your flight out of Thailand or in some sleazy bar?

[OriginalPoster]

If your previous 4 times were to Pattaya then I guess you might be happy with Pattaya. (I have never been.) But everyone describes it as a fake city, with fake beach, fake people, and full of Euro dirtbags and this experience seems to go stale for most people after a while.

who, pray tell, is this "Everyone"? he does not seem to be a Euro dirt bag. did you meet him at a first class lounge when you were waiting for your flight out of Thailand or in some sleazy bar?

Obviously can't be everyone who says that, as most people who live in Pattaya will tell you that they aren't a dirtbag. But the fact that someone has enough money to fly first class does not mean that they are not a dirtbag. Roman Polanski always few first class, for instance, so did Gary Glitter.

Edited May 25, 2010 by OriginalPoster

[phetaroi]

retire to Thailand and you will either feel totally free, or threatened from ever direction, are you weak and afraid if so stay home( as some posters on this thread should have).

Moe, I don' think that's a fair statement at all.

I've lived here a year and felt no "threat" that I can recall...though it does take time to get used to the inconveniences.

But when the rioting started last week and I read that the Tesco Lotus that is almost within walking distance of our home is on fire...along with a couple of dozen other buildings...when I see dense smoke billowing down our soi...when the red shirts say they are going to burn out the rich, and we live in a nice condo (though hardly rich)...when the police seem to be doing nothing to control the situation...when in the middle of it the electricity went out...when there are tires burning all over nearby Rama IV...I could go on.

That type of situation ought to give any person pause to think about the safety of living here.

Feeling "totally free" (whatever that means) is one extreme. Feeling "threatened from every direction" is the other extreme. Being fairly concerned about your safety during a widespread riot doesn't seem very "weak" to me. It seems prudent. I had a relative who died being burned alive. No thank you.

[Naam]

If your previous 4 times were to Pattaya then I guess you might be happy with Pattaya. (I have never been.) But everyone describes it as a fake city, with fake beach, fake people, and full of Euro dirtbags and this experience seems to go stale for most people after a while.

who, pray tell, is this "Everyone"? he does not seem to be a Euro dirt bag. did you meet him at a first class lounge when you were waiting for your flight out of Thailand or in some sleazy bar?

Obviously can't be everyone who says that, as most people who live in Pattaya will tell you that they aren't a dirtbag. But the fact that someone has enough money to fly first class does not mean that they are not a dirtbag. Roman Polanski always few first class, for instance, so did Gary Glitter.

nobody in Pattaya ever told me that he is not a dirtbag. today i will drive downtown to have a look what a fake city and a fake beach looks like and then ask people whether they are Euro dirtbags.

[carmine]

If your previous 4 times were to Pattaya then I guess you might be happy with Pattaya. (I have never been.) But everyone describes it as a fake city, with fake beach, fake people, and full of Euro dirtbags and this experience seems to go stale for most people after a while.

who, pray tell, is this "Everyone"? he does not seem to be a Euro dirt bag. did you meet him at a first class lounge when you were waiting for your flight out of Thailand or in some sleazy bar?

Obviously can't be everyone who says that, as most people who live in Pattaya will tell you that they aren't a dirtbag. But the fact that someone has enough money to fly first class does not mean that they are not a dirtbag. Roman Polanski always few first class, for instance, so did Gary Glitter.

"Most people who live in Pattaya will tell you they arn;t a dirtbag"

WHAT!!!?! Stay off the sauce mate

[OriginalPoster]

If your previous 4 times were to Pattaya then I guess you might be happy with Pattaya. (I have never been.) But everyone describes it as a fake city, with fake beach, fake people, and full of Euro dirtbags and this experience seems to go stale for most people after a while.

who, pray tell, is this "Everyone"? he does not seem to be a Euro dirt bag. did you meet him at a first class lounge when you were waiting for your flight out of Thailand or in some sleazy bar?

Obviously can't be everyone who says that, as most people who live in Pattaya will tell you that they aren't a dirtbag. But the fact that someone has enough money to fly first class does not mean that they are not a dirtbag. Roman Polanski always few first class, for instance, so did Gary Glitter.

nobody in Pattaya ever told me that he is not a dirtbag. today i will drive downtown to have a look what a fake city and a fake beach looks like and then ask people whether they are Euro dirtbags.

If they answer "no", ask them if they'd like a second opinion from a neutral 3rd party.

Edited May 25, 2010 by OriginalPoster