Thai PM Abhisit Still Standing After Deadly Protests

[whybother]

5555, you remind me of anothermember, he claimed to knew everything better and how the parliamentarian system works, but actually was totally was clueless about the details.

FYI. PPP wasn't the only party that got banned/dissolved at the same time.

for the other by-elections that came later ... carded by the EC where the investigations took some more time, disqualifications because of faulty asset declaration and so on.

for example Mr. Suthep Thaugsuban seats got vacant after he had to resign from his MP seat, because he got disqualified by Constitutional Court for having allegedly violated the charter. This by-election in a Surat Thani constituency was won by a democrat candidate again, Mr. Thani Thaugsuban.

There were other by-elections around that time everybody was looking at because it was in the north east and a battle between PTP and BJT candidates.

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PS: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...newsid=30090112

Note: the Nation headline is: "List of MPs banned by the Constitution Court's ruling"

not actually correct. it seems to be the list of all banned party ececutives of the three banned parties. But not all banned party executives were also member of the parliament(MP). And members of the cabinet don't had to be also members of the parliament. I think that was the case for Matchima Thipataya, non of their executives were MPs, the cabinet members appointed 'non-MPs'

edit: to add link to Nation with List of banned

No, I don't think 'anothermember' claimed he knew *everything*. He just pointed out the facts as he knew them and asked questions or for corrections.

There is very little information available about the by-elections, which is why I asked my question.

[whybother]

Murder in the name of reconciliation

By Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Published on June 3, 2010

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html

How do you reconcile with a group that denies ANY wrong doing?

[mazeltov]

Murder in the name of reconciliation

By Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Published on June 3, 2010

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html

How do you reconcile with a group that denies ANY wrong doing?

So murder is the way to go?

[mazeltov]

Murder in the name of reconciliation

By Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Published on June 3, 2010

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html

How do you reconcile with a group that denies ANY wrong doing?

So murder is the way to go?

[gl9999]

Murder in the name of reconciliation

By Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Published on June 3, 2010

Two weeks after the May 19 military crackdown on mostly unarmed red-shirt protesters and the burning of more than 30 spots in Bangkok, it appears as if it all took place for nothing. Those who hate continue to hate, while those who wanted the red shirts to be punished got what they wanted. Yet there's been no reflection.

Of the 89 killed since April 10, most were red-shirt protesters. The movement continues to be cracked down upon and intimidated with arrests under the emergency decree - all in the name of national reconciliation.

Talk of reconciliation is empty if you shut the ears, eyes and mouths of those very people you claim you want to reconcile with and arrest those who call for a small protest outside an emergency-ruled area, as happened to Chulalongkorn University history lecturer Suthachai Yimprasert. He was arrested and released after a week, while his "co-conspirator", Somyos Prueksakasemsuk, the leftist editor of "Voice of Taksin" magazine, who does not have the status of academic, remains a political detainee.

One human-rights activist ranted that even in the aftermath of the darkest day in modern Thai history - October 6, 1976 - the names of those arrested were made public. This time, two weeks after May 19, we still don't have such a list.

Also, how long will Bangkok and the 23 other provinces be ruled under the emergency decree? Should it continue for another month, or until the next general election is held late next year? We are now at the mercy of the Abhisit Vejjajiva regime and those behind him who are deeply insecure and addicted to the idea of emergency rule in order to sustain an illusion of political normalcy.

In this climate of "reconciliation", transparency, rights to political assembly and due process of law are gone, as arbitrary arrests and censorship under the emergency "law" becomes the new norm. One disturbing "truth" is the story behind the death of six people at Pathum Wanaram Temple.

Though Abhisit told the lower House that an "independent" committee would be set up to find out the truth, the government's statement, released in English and dated as early as May 20 - one day after the tragedy - purportedly stated with absolute certainty that it was "a well-planned operation on the part of the armed group who knowingly took advantage of the temple's designation as a safe area �".

So why the need for a committee when "the definitive truth" is already readily available a mere day after the incident? I think the government's failure to fly the national flag at half mast even for a day to mourn the loss of lives is probably the most sincere reflection of the authority's sentiments. The fact that most red-shirt leaders failed to come up with even a single sentence to express a sense of contrition for those who lost their lives , properties or were undeservedly affected is equally inexcusable.

Many people, be they red or non-red, were left to deal with the pain and sorrow by themselves. A red-shirt contact said on Tuesday that many fellow members of the movement upcountry felt that they have no place to stand. Their mass-media outlets have all been shut down, while their arch-enemies - the yellow shirts - are taking great pleasure in their defeat. For many, death seems to be the only way out.

Some red shirts from the cities have visited their fellow protesters upcountry to sympathise, while others are learning how to shoot so they can seek revenge.

Back in Bangkok, a hundred small notes mourning the burning down of the Siam Theatre were left at the site. Only one of these notes expressed condolences for those who were killed - the rest were more disturbed that a fire had consumed their favourite movie theatre.

-- The Nation June 3, 2010

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html

The Red Shits tried to violently overthrow the government. They failed. Then out of spite, they tried to burn down our city. I for one, have no sympathy for those who died. They took our city hostage, were armed and were given numerous chances to leave the area before the fighting started. The only ones who deserve any sympathy are the ones who died trying to do their jobs. The journalists and the medics.

It's easy for this idiot to throw the blame on Prime Minister Abhist but I don't see any Red shit feeling remorse for what they did. They hate us so we'll hate them right back.

[yoshiwara]

Murder in the name of reconciliation

By Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Published on June 3, 2010

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html

How do you reconcile with a group that denies ANY wrong doing?

So murder is the way to go?

Murder is the red label to deflect their own activities.

Probably the only example of murder as such was the extra-judicial killings undertaken by Thaksin on the drug dealers.

[phomsanuk]

He must still have most of the politicians and generals in his pocket for now.

[Publicus]

The 30% of the electorate who are always in between, or as we often say in the middle, have been repulsed by the Red's torching of vital areas of the central city, have found the Reds to be repugnant. The Reds have shown conclusively they are not capable to govern the nation. The Reds would establish the People's Republic of Thaksin's Thailand.

The only way the Reds could win the next election is to threaten villagers in vital constituencies that the Reds will torch and fire their village - to raze it - if it doesn't vote Red.

This is pure Thaksin, i.e., hasn't anything to do with democracy. It's all about Thaksin and his mad pursuit of both face and power - and, oh yes, then there's always the money. 

[yoshiwara]

He must still have most of the politicians and generals in his pocket for now.

Certainly on his side.

It is Thaksin who wants them in his pocket as such.

[Robby nz]

Those who claim the Nation is one sided need to read the above article which has a go at both sides.

On sensorship: Every country censors web sites that are subversive to the Govt and preach killing and burning as well as those that show child porn etc.

The low level of censorship of this Govt can be seen by the fact that the red supporters on this site get away with calling the PM a murderer and other similar statements. If they had done the same when Thaksin was PM they would likely not be with us today and this site would have been shut down.

There has been and still is a Red TV station on air, that of Thaksins son View TV. It is not what the the station is that gets it shut down but the content of what it broadcasts.

As seen in the censure debate the PTP have no intention of moving on to reconsiliation so how to reconsile with someone who wants to carry on with distructive means?

They have said they will take their version of events to the people but I doubt they will include the Govt answers to their points. It would seem the PTP intend to chew on the bones for as long as possible as they seem to have little idea of where to go to move the country forward.

The PM in his fanal statement asked that people look to the future and move on to improve this country he did bot berate the PTP as they did the Dems.

Those who caused the disturbance and subsequant deaths, the red leaders, do need to be punished as their rally ended up way outside the law and to let them get away with whay they have done sends the wrong message to anyone contemplating similar actions in the future.

[ozzieman05]

The opposition claimed during the debate that the six were shot dead by soldiers firing from the skytrain tracks opposite the temple.

But Prime Minister Abhisit, citing autopsy results, rebutted that the fatal shots were fired from the ground level and not from the skytrain where some soldiers were positioned.

Because the six victims were killed in the temple grounds, which had been declared a "safe zone", there is an urgent need for this brutal incident to be investigated by an independent panel to ensure fairness and justice, especially to the victims and their families.

This must be one of the Government 1st priorities now to investigate this incerdent

Was it a policy of Thaskin and the Red shirts to kill and wound friendlies, and use them a propoganda against the government

I have said many many times this is like a chess game

and pawns are used to fight a bigger battle

pawns have no value to the cause other than to be sacrificed for the end win

[way2muchcoffee]

Murder in the name of reconciliation

By Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Published on June 3, 2010

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html

How do you reconcile with a group that denies ANY wrong doing?

So murder is the way to go?

Nope. Using minimal force to suppress a violent and murderous rebellion was the way to go. Now it's time to investigate and punish redshirt leaders, redshirt terrorists, and military personnel who violated the rules of engagement, while offering monetary support to those families and businesses who suffered during the demonstrations. Then it will be time to enact political demonstration laws, followed by policies that held reduce inequities in society. After that it will be time to make moves toward reforming the Royal Thai Police. Simultaneously committees need to be set up to amend the constitution in ways that make the next election more legitimate in the eyes of the majority of the people. Then, when all this has been completed, and if there has been no further violence, elections should be held.

Edited June 3, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[Roadman]

Those who claim the Nation is one sided need to read the above article which has a go at both sides.

On sensorship: Every country censors web sites that are subversive to the Govt and preach killing and burning as well as those that show child porn etc.

The low level of censorship of this Govt can be seen by the fact that the red supporters on this site get away with calling the PM a murderer and other similar statements. If they had done the same when Thaksin was PM they would likely not be with us today and this site would have been shut down.

There has been and still is a Red TV station on air, that of Thaksins son View TV. It is not what the the station is that gets it shut down but the content of what it broadcasts.

As seen in the censure debate the PTP have no intention of moving on to reconsiliation so how to reconsile with someone who wants to carry on with distructive means?

They have said they will take their version of events to the people but I doubt they will include the Govt answers to their points. It would seem the PTP intend to chew on the bones for as long as possible as they seem to have little idea of where to go to move the country forward.

The PM in his fanal statement asked that people look to the future and move on to improve this country he did bot berate the PTP as they did the Dems.

Those who caused the disturbance and subsequant deaths, the red leaders, do need to be punished as their rally ended up way outside the law and to let them get away with whay they have done sends the wrong message to anyone contemplating similar actions in the future.

Well said Kiwi Bro.

[Roadman]

Murder in the name of reconciliation

By Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Published on June 3, 2010

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html

How do you reconcile with a group that denies ANY wrong doing?

So murder is the way to go?

Nope. Using minimal force to suppress a violent and murderous rebellion was the way to go. Now it's time to investigate and punish redshirt leaders, redshirt terrorists, and military personnel who violated the rules of engagement, while offering monetary support to those families and businesses who suffered during the demonstrations. Then it will be time to enact political demonstration laws, followed by policies that held reduce inequities in society. After that it will be time to make moves toward reforming the Royal Thai Police. Simultaneously committees need to be set up to amend the constitution in ways that make the next election more legitimate in the eyes of the majority of the people. Then, when all this has been completed, and if there has been no further violence, elections should be held.

And again well said. Your coffee mix is fine for the logic.

Edited to add that would still hold to elections at the late 2011 regardless of how far the reform is pushed. At the current rate that the opposition is deflating a good bit of it should be achievable by the Novemeber 2011 elections. And the final protection beyond Nov 2011 is that the Army having had a wake up call is still there for King, Country and Citizens if the same sort of activity occurs again.

Edited June 3, 2010 by Roadman

[hammered]

The 30% of the electorate who are always in between, or as we often say in the middle, have been repulsed by the Red's torching of vital areas of the central city, have found the Reds to be repugnant. The Reds have shown conclusively they are not capable to govern the nation. The Reds would establish the People's Republic of Thaksin's Thailand.

The only way the Reds could win the next election is to threaten villagers in vital constituencies that the Reds will torch and fire their village - to raze it - if it doesn't vote Red.

This is pure Thaksin, i.e., hasn't anything to do with democracy. It's all about Thaksin and his mad pursuit of both face and power - and, oh yes, then there's always the money. 

You already see some PTP MPs who are based outsdie the red heartland start to reposition ready for the next election by going AWOL. Depending on how things develop this could change again but right now in vcertain regions standing under a party linked to PTP/reds is electoral suicide as is standing in CM or KK as a Dem

[shrekroma]

Nope. Using minimal force to suppress a violent and murderous rebellion was the way to go. Now it's time to investigate and punish redshirt leaders, redshirt terrorists, and military personnel who violated the rules of engagement, while offering monetary support to those families and businesses who suffered during the demonstrations. Then it will be time to enact political demonstration laws, followed by policies that held reduce inequities in society. After that it will be time to make moves toward reforming the Royal Thai Police. Simultaneously committees need to be set up to amend the constitution in ways that make the next election more legitimate in the eyes of the majority of the people. Then, when all this has been completed, and if there has been no further violence, elections should be held.

I'm sure most of the Reds will agree what must be done as you stated above.

However, none is going to happen as the elites do live on unequal society.

Also, if you asking Reds to abandon Thaksin, you have to show them a brighter future - no double stadards, no insulting ridiculously privileges etc.

Finally I dont think any elections will never ever going to solve current crisis. But it still a positive move though.

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Edited June 3, 2010 by shrekroma

[way2muchcoffee]

Nope. Using minimal force to suppress a violent and murderous rebellion was the way to go. Now it's time to investigate and punish redshirt leaders, redshirt terrorists, and military personnel who violated the rules of engagement, while offering monetary support to those families and businesses who suffered during the demonstrations. Then it will be time to enact political demonstration laws, followed by policies that held reduce inequities in society. After that it will be time to make moves toward reforming the Royal Thai Police. Simultaneously committees need to be set up to amend the constitution in ways that make the next election more legitimate in the eyes of the majority of the people. Then, when all this has been completed, and if there has been no further violence, elections should be held.

I'm sure most of the Reds will agree what must be done as you stated above.

However, none is going to happen as the elites do live on unequal society.

Also, if you asking Reds to abandon Thaksin, you have to show them a brighter future - no double stadards, no insulting ridiculously privileges etc.

Finally I dont think any elections will never ever going to solve current crisis. But it still a positive move though.

.

I agree with your points in principle. However, I think what you fail to realize is that the politicians in the PTP/PPP/TRT and the redshirt leaders are just as elite those in the Democrat party and the PAD leaders. The Democrat rank and file supporters are in rural areas are just as poor as the redshirt supporters in the rural areas.

Edited June 3, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[Jimi007]

Nope. Using minimal force to suppress a violent and murderous rebellion was the way to go. Now it's time to investigate and punish redshirt leaders, redshirt terrorists, and military personnel who violated the rules of engagement, while offering monetary support to those families and businesses who suffered during the demonstrations. Then it will be time to enact political demonstration laws, followed by policies that held reduce inequities in society. After that it will be time to make moves toward reforming the Royal Thai Police. Simultaneously committees need to be set up to amend the constitution in ways that make the next election more legitimate in the eyes of the majority of the people. Then, when all this has been completed, and if there has been no further violence, elections should be held.

I'm sure most of the Reds will agree what must be done as you stated above.

However, none is going to happen as the elites do live on unequal society.

Also, if you asking Reds to abandon Thaksin, you have to show them a brighter future - no double stadards, no insulting ridiculously privileges etc.

Finally I dont think any elections will never ever going to solve current crisis. But it still a positive move though.

.

I agree with your points in principle. However, I think what you fail to realize is that the politicians in the PTP/PPP/TRT and the redshirt leaders are just as elite those in the Democrat party and the PAD leaders. The Democrat rank and file supporters are in rural areas are just as poor as the redshirt supporters in the rural areas.

Now I am agreeing with you? But who ever said; life is fair? You are born and then you and your parents, who hopefully care about you, try their best to educate and pass on some values. Some I guess didn't! Greed is the root of most of the problems with a capitalistic society. Good luck changing that, but Abisit seems more level headed than anyone in recent memory here...

[Richard W]

He came to power legally when the MPs voted him in as an acceptible compromise when the pro-Thaksin party was disqualified.

Disbanded - members who were not party executives remained MPs.

But you couldn't honestly say he was chosen by the largest number of voters to be their PM.

The closest voters come to directly choosing a PM is the party-list vote. And the Democrats narrowly won that, so I would say that Abhisit was the party leader chosen by the largest number of voters (but not an absolute majority).

[mazeltov]

He came to power legally when the MPs voted him in as an acceptible compromise when the pro-Thaksin party was disqualified.

Disbanded - members who were not party executives remained MPs.

But you couldn't honestly say he was chosen by the largest number of voters to be their PM.

The closest voters come to directly choosing a PM is the party-list vote. And the Democrats narrowly won that, so I would say that Abhisit was the party leader chosen by the largest number of voters (but not an absolute majority).

nahh, to argue with the proportional vote (party list vote) is always somewhat misleading. Only 80 seats of the total 480 seats in the parliament got filled up this way.

for this vote the country was splitted into 8 electoral areas. like Bangkok, the central region, upup north, the south and so on. around each area with a nearly similar size of population. and there where 8 different party list by each paty for the 8 different areas.

So there wasn't a country wide party list. Abhisit was on the party list for Area 6 (Bangkok, Nonthaburi, and Samut Prakan) and got here some 50%, the PPP around 40%. In the south where the very popular ex-PM Chuan Leekpai was on top of the democrats party list the dems got 80% of the votes.

Anyway with the proportional vote PPP won 34 seats and the democrats 33 seats.

And don't forget PPP was an absolute newcomer, with new faces as leader and subjected to anti-propaganda by the Junta unlike the democrats, a well known and established party.

[mazeltov]

He came to power legally when the MPs voted him in as an acceptible compromise when the pro-Thaksin party was disqualified.

Disbanded - members who were not party executives remained MPs.

But you couldn't honestly say he was chosen by the largest number of voters to be their PM.

The closest voters come to directly choosing a PM is the party-list vote. And the Democrats narrowly won that, so I would say that Abhisit was the party leader chosen by the largest number of voters (but not an absolute majority).

nahh, to argue with the proportional vote (party list vote) is always somewhat misleading. Only 80 seats of the total 480 seats in the parliament got filled up this way.

for this vote the country was splitted into 8 electoral areas. like Bangkok, the central region, upup north, the south and so on. around each area with a nearly similar size of population. and there where 8 different party list by each paty for the 8 different areas.

So there wasn't a country wide party list. Abhisit was on the party list for Area 6 (Bangkok, Nonthaburi, and Samut Prakan) and got here some 50%, the PPP around 40%. In the south where the very popular ex-PM Chuan Leekpai was on top of the democrats party list the dems got 80% of the votes.

Anyway with the proportional vote PPP won 34 seats and the democrats 33 seats.

And don't forget PPP was an absolute newcomer, with new faces as leader and subjected to anti-propaganda by the Junta unlike the democrats, a well known and established party.

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BANGKOK WARFARE

Military crackdown justified and meet international standard

By The Nation

Published on June 5, 2010

The Foreign Ministry said yesterday that the military crackdown in April and May, which left 89 dead and nearly 2,000 injured, was justified and met with international standards.

The crackdown was undertaken in accordance with the "United Nations Basic Principles on the Use of Firearms by Law-Enforcement Officials", the ministry said.

The statement was issued yesterday...

=========

Now we can close this case and move on with our live.

[somchaibob]

Abhisit must do whatever it takes to delay elections for as long as possible. The way it stands he probably wont get elected, but he is right on track to win in a few years time. He is doing everything right - killing and jailing political opponents and leaders, he has the media reigned in and running scared, blocking all opposing voices and he has got huge financial backing and support from people in high places. All he needs now is time, and if he can rig the elections then its pretty much game over for the Thaksin era.

[yoshiwara]

Abhisit must do whatever it takes to delay elections for as long as possible. The way it stands he probably wont get elected, but he is right on track to win in a few years time. He is doing everything right - killing and jailing political opponents and leaders, he has the media reigned in and running scared, blocking all opposing voices and he has got huge financial backing and support from people in high places. All he needs now is time, and if he can rig the elections then its pretty much game over for the Thaksin era.

Abhisit does not have to 'delay'. He can call elections any time until latter 2011.

The way it stands he may or may not get elected.

The only opponents dealt with to date have been Thaksin's violent thugs who have thankfully been swept from the streets of Bangkok.

The only media blocked has been the Thaksin media openly inciting the violence.

Yes, Abhisit has got backing and quite rightly so against the Thaksin money thrown into the organisation of the trashing of Bangkok.

Rigging elections? Sorry that is Thaksin's speciality.

Game over for the Thaksin era?

We hope so.

Edited June 5, 2010 by yoshiwara

[yoshiwara]

BANGKOK WARFARE

Military crackdown justified and meet international standard

By The Nation

Published on June 5, 2010

The Foreign Ministry said yesterday that the military crackdown in April and May, which left 89 dead and nearly 2,000 injured, was justified and met with international standards.

The crackdown was undertaken in accordance with the "United Nations Basic Principles on the Use of Firearms by Law-Enforcement Officials", the ministry said.

The statement was issued yesterday...

=========

Now we can close this case and move on with our live.

A non-comment if ever there was one.

The thing about 'this case' ie the Bangkok red violence is that it is now discredited.

So for Thaksin and his supporters what to do?

One of the tactics Thaksin is using is to distance his thugs from the violence by claiming that the violence was undertaken by fake reds.

This is exactly what Thaksin did after the Songkran 2009 events.

Note that the standard Thaksin tactic is always to attack the other side for what Thaksin's team are accused of.

So now that the blackshirt mud is sticking to him, let's push it off to the 'blues'.

Hey blue looks like black at night hey?

Thaksin Blames Newin for Arson Attacks

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra wrote on his Twitter page blaming Bhum Jai Thai de facto leader and leader of the blue-shirt group Newin Chidchob for the arson attacks in the capital after the red-shirt rally ended.

He claimed the red-shirt group was framed and he will fight until there is real reconciliation in Thailand.

Like the bit about 'real reconciliation' at the end?

As if.

[rubl]

A non-comment if ever there was one.

The thing about 'this case' ie the Bangkok red violence is that it is now discredited.

So for Thaksin and his supporters what to do?

One of the tactics Thaksin is using is to distance his thugs from the violence by claiming that the violence was undertaken by fake reds.

This is exactly what Thaksin did after the Songkran 2009 events.

Note that the standard Thaksin tactic is always to attack the other side for what Thaksin's team are accused of.

So now that the blackshirt mud is sticking to him, let's push it off to the 'blues'.

Hey blue looks like black at night hey?

Thaksin Blames Newin for Arson Attacks

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra wrote on his Twitter page blaming Bhum Jai Thai de facto leader and leader of the blue-shirt group Newin Chidchob for the arson attacks in the capital after the red-shirt rally ended.

He claimed the red-shirt group was framed and he will fight until there is real reconciliation in Thailand.

Like the bit about 'real reconciliation' at the end?

As if.

Good propaganda, ending in a semi-upbeat tone. K. Thaksin probably refers to the state of media oppression he was into in 2005-2006. I guess that suggests if no-one is voicing discontent we have reached the goal of reconciliation. Clever chap, K. Thaksin, disgusting also.

[hammered]

BANGKOK WARFARE

Military crackdown justified and meet international standard

By The Nation

Published on June 5, 2010

The Foreign Ministry said yesterday that the military crackdown in April and May, which left 89 dead and nearly 2,000 injured, was justified and met with international standards.

The crackdown was undertaken in accordance with the "United Nations Basic Principles on the Use of Firearms by Law-Enforcement Officials", the ministry said.

The statement was issued yesterday...

=========

Now we can close this case and move on with our live.

A non-comment if ever there was one.

The thing about 'this case' ie the Bangkok red violence is that it is now discredited.

So for Thaksin and his supporters what to do?

One of the tactics Thaksin is using is to distance his thugs from the violence by claiming that the violence was undertaken by fake reds.

This is exactly what Thaksin did after the Songkran 2009 events.

Note that the standard Thaksin tactic is always to attack the other side for what Thaksin's team are accused of.

So now that the blackshirt mud is sticking to him, let's push it off to the 'blues'.

Hey blue looks like black at night hey?

Thaksin Blames Newin for Arson Attacks

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra wrote on his Twitter page blaming Bhum Jai Thai de facto leader and leader of the blue-shirt group Newin Chidchob for the arson attacks in the capital after the red-shirt rally ended.

He claimed the red-shirt group was framed and he will fight until there is real reconciliation in Thailand.

Like the bit about 'real reconciliation' at the end?

As if.

Sounds like the same old blather from April 2009. The reds never do anythign wrong. Peaceful demos. etc etc. Takign responsibility for your actions is part of being an adult. But we are left with perpetual kids games in ther fantasy cult world of red and Thaksin

[phomsanuk]

He will stand forever, and will win the next, and next, and next election.

He will be our PM until the day he dies.

WOW! Can he walk on water as well?

Don't get me wrong I like him but for the next 40 years

[gl9999]

He will stand forever, and will win the next, and next, and next election.

He will be our PM until the day he dies.

WOW! Can he walk on water as well?

Don't get me wrong I like him but for the next 40 years

Ignore Rucharee, he think he's funny.

[somchaibob]

He will stand forever, and will win the next, and next, and next election.

He will be our PM until the day he dies.

He will indeed. As long as he sticks to the tried and true formula of guns, les magesty and media suppression, he has a chance.

In any event he is making Thaksin look amaturish.