Thai Criminal Court Grants Bail To Jatuporn, Karun

[webfact]

Court grants bail to Jatuporn, Karun

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court Tuesday granted bail to Pheu Thai MPs Jatuporn Promphan and Karun Hosakul after the two posted Bt1 million in cash as guarantee each.

The Department of Special Investigations asked the court to detain the two without bail but the court disagreed.

The two were charged with instigating people to commit act of terrorism.

-- The Nation 2010-06-08

[Loaded]

They seemed very confident of getting bail before the decision.

[Crushdepth]

How can you get bail on a TERRORISM charge? And this morning Jatuporn had the hide to threaten DSI officers with jail when 'the other side' gets into power. Disgusting.

[Loaded]

I believe Karun is a big hitter around Don Muang. It's alleged he controls the taxi mafia and much of the illegal gambling around there.

[Kusobusisi]

Only in Thailand you can get bail on a terrorism charge. And only a million baht? That's like change to these people and their boss in Montenegro.

[Pushit]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

[hermida]

In other Pheu Thai Party MP news, there's 2 less of them with possibility of 2 more beyond that getting kicked out from PTP... for the unmitigated audacity of voting with their own conscience instead of being Party puppets

Puea Thai expels two MPs for serious breach of party’s rules

BANGKOK, 8 June 2010 (NNT) – The executive board of the opposition Puea Thai Party has resolved to expel two of its MPs from membership for voting against the party’s stance in the latest censure debate.

Puea Thai Party Spokesperson Prompong Nopparit yesterday announced the party’s decision to oust two of its members, Second Lieutenant Porapol Adireksan, Saraburi MP, and Jumpoj Boonyai, Sakon Nakhon MP, for violating the party’s rule, absence from meetings, and openly joining other parties’ activities. Last week, both MPs cast their no-confidence votes in the opposite direction of Puea Thai Party’s resolution in grilling the government.

Meanwhile, the other two Puea Thai Party-list MPs Somboon Wanchaithanawong and Nikom Chaokittisopon, who also face similar accusations, are being probed by the party’s committee. Both MPs will be summoned to clarify themselves before handed with verdicts.

Puea Thai expels two MPs for serious breach of party’s rules : National News Bureau of Thailand

Edited June 8, 2010 by hermida

[thepodest]

Oh here it goes again

Nothing learned from mistake?? The particular one that occurred during the Olympics in China.

[bapak]

With one hand they extend detention of 5 of the other big ones and the other hand give bail to one of the nasiest piece of work that I have seen in my many years in Thailand. Disgusting.

[mazeltov]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.

how witty you are?

[yoshiwara]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.

how witty you are?

Do not misinterpret. Yes it is a Thai court decision. The comment you refer to opinions that the farangs cited would be regarded as (to put it politely) collateral damage by the Thaksin forces...though an unfortunate embarrassment nonetheless.

[MikeyIdea]

Disappointing decision

[frodo]

In other Pheu Thai Party MP news, there's 2 less of them with possibility of 2 more beyond that getting kicked out from PTP... for the unmitigated audacity of voting with their own conscience instead of being Party puppets

Puea Thai expels two MPs for serious breach of party's rules

BANGKOK, 8 June 2010 (NNT) – The executive board of the opposition Puea Thai Party has resolved to expel two of its MPs from membership for voting against the party's stance in the latest censure debate.

Puea Thai Party Spokesperson Prompong Nopparit yesterday announced the party's decision to oust two of its members, Second Lieutenant Porapol Adireksan, Saraburi MP, and Jumpoj Boonyai, Sakon Nakhon MP, for violating the party's rule, absence from meetings, and openly joining other parties' activities. Last week, both MPs cast their no-confidence votes in the opposite direction of Puea Thai Party's resolution in grilling the government.

Meanwhile, the other two Puea Thai Party-list MPs Somboon Wanchaithanawong and Nikom Chaokittisopon, who also face similar accusations, are being probed by the party's committee. Both MPs will be summoned to clarify themselves before handed with verdicts.

Puea Thai expels two MPs for serious breach of party's rules : National News Bureau of Thailand

No independent thought if you belong to the PT party, but if an opposition votes along their way of thinking, you're a hero! True double-standards.

"Prompong Nopparit, spokesman of the opposition Puea Thai Party, has praised core members and MPs of the junior coalition partner Puea Pandin Party for not voting to support the ministers of the Bhumjaithai Party after the censure debate, reports said.“This showed a political conscience and sense of responsibility toward the people's feelings,” Mr Prompong said on Wednesday afternoon."

[Pushit]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.

how witty you are?

Do not misinterpret. Yes it is a Thai court decision. The comment you refer to opinions that the farangs cited would be regarded as (to put it politely) collateral damage by the Thaksin forces...though an unfortunate embarrassment nonetheless.

Thaksin has a Lot to do with the issue as we all know he is bankrolling this entire circus

[hyperdimension]

How exactly does the court decide whether to grant bail? If the payment is high enough?

So those with money can do whatever they wish, as they know that they are likely to get bail if caught?

[Lumumba]

What about people losing their cabinet posts because some members of their party not toeing party lines in the censure debate.

Normally the party you belong to helps fund your election and put in the hours and connections that is required to carry the constituency.

If you want to vote with your conscience next time run as an independent.

Party politics is the only thing wrong with democratic forms of governance.

[Lopburi99]

Openly and publicly inciting riots for two months, vehemently urging the mob to torch Bangkok, screaming for the overthrow of the government ...charged with terrorism -- and bail is granted for a measly 1M baht. How much more would he need to have done to be denied bail? Where is he falling short?

One wonders if Thailand can ever govern itself.

[KireB]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.

how witty you are?

One of your role models this Karun guy, Mazeltov?

Bangkok's Independent Newspaper

[cardholder]

I imagine that "instigating people to commit act of terrorism " is different to a charge of "terrorism".

[rabo]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.

how witty you are?

That's what I would have thought. The Thai courts are a lot fairer that most here give them credit for. Thaksin's lawyers were caught in a bribe. Somchai's, Thaksin's brother-in-law, government was disbanded. Now here, DSI can't keep these guys from getting bail.

[mazeltov]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.

how witty you are?

Do not misinterpret. Yes it is a Thai court decision. The comment you refer to opinions that the farangs cited would be regarded as (to put it politely) collateral damage by the Thaksin forces...though an unfortunate embarrassment nonetheless.

Thaksin has a Lot to do with the issue as we all know he is bankrolling this entire circus

Omfg, really?. I didn't know that.

Thanks for sharing your insider knowledge. That definitely boost the quality of the debate here.

[mazeltov]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.

how witty you are?

One of your role models this Karun guy, Mazeltov?

Bangkok's Independent Newspaper

???

What you mean? Cannot make much sense of your comment.

what i have to do with that Karun guy? Why he should be my role model? care to explain?

btw. getting crazy in parliament isn't only a trait of Karun. Here is a more recent case involving family members of Deputy Suthep. So what is your point?

Pheu Thai MP Chaowarint Latthasaksiiri won the approval of then Deputy House Speaker Samart Kaewmeechai, a Pheu Thai MP, to submit the interpellation.

Democrat Party MPs cried foul, saying Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban had already submitted a letter to inform the House that the government could not explain the measures for dealing the protesters as the rallies were still going on.

After both sides hurled shouts against each other, Democrat MP Shane Thaugsuban rose up and rushed towards Chaowarin, but another Democrat MP stopped him and dragged him out of the assembly hall.

After the turmoil broke out, Samart ended the House meeting at 2 pm.

The Nation, March 18, 2010: House meeting ended following squabbles between Democrat, Pheu Thai MPs

edit: double post change to new entry with different content.

Edited June 8, 2010 by mazeltov

[Thaihog]

I've been in Thailand twenty years and I could probably count on one hand the number of MP's that have spent time behind bars in Thailand....

The judicial system is a joke for the monied Thais.....

Edited June 8, 2010 by Thaihog

[KireB]

???

What you mean? Cannot make much sense of your comment.

what i have to do with that Karun guy? Why he should be my role model? care to explain?

btw. getting crazy in parliament isn't only a trait of Karun.

I hope that you wont have anything to do with this Karun character. He's a violent criminal pus sang! Someone who matches the Red leadership profile 100%.

Edited June 8, 2010 by KireB

[mazeltov]

That's what I would have thought. The Thai courts are a lot fairer that most here give them credit for. Thaksin's lawyers were caught in a bribe. Somchai's, Thaksin's brother-in-law, government was disbanded. Now here, DSI can't keep these guys from getting bail.

some people have no clue how the judicial system works.

The lawyers where sentenced to jail time because they where found guilty for contempt of the court.

Not the government was disbanded, but the PPP was dissolved and Somchai banned from politics, because the court ruled they are guilty. (okay a result was the end of the government)

Jatuporn and Karun are not found guilty yet, there wasn't a trail. DSI does just investigations, but not the judgements.

detention while awaiting trial isn't a form of legal punishment.

If the court see no reason that the accused pose an imminent danger for the society while in freedom and will not jump bail, why a detention? and that doesn't mean that they cannot be sentenced to jail or what ever penalty in a coming trail.

[KireB]

Jatuporn and Karun are not found guilty yet, there wasn't a trail. DSI does just investigations, but not the judgements.

detention while awaiting trial isn't a form of legal punishment.

If the court see no reason that the accused pose an imminent danger for the society while in freedom and will not jump bail, why a detention? and that doesn't mean that they cannot be sentenced to jail or what ever penalty in a coming trail.

Monkey sees, monkey does ... and they fled to Dubai! No way Jatuporn will stay and face the music.

[Bakseedaa]

How exactly does the court decide whether to grant bail? If the payment is high enough?

So those with money can do whatever they wish, as they know that they are likely to get bail if caught?

And did the taxman ask where the one million baht came from , and if tax had been paid on it...not <deleted> likely...one law for the rich and one law for the Khwaai...........

[rabo]

That's what I would have thought. The Thai courts are a lot fairer that most here give them credit for. Thaksin's lawyers were caught in a bribe. Somchai's, Thaksin's brother-in-law, government was disbanded. Now here, DSI can't keep these guys from getting bail.

some people have no clue how the judicial system works.

The lawyers where sentenced to jail time because they where found guilty for contempt of the court.

Not the government was disbanded, but the PPP was dissolved and Somchai banned from politics, because the court ruled they are guilty. (okay a result was the end of the government)

Jatuporn and Karun are not found guilty yet, there wasn't a trail. DSI does just investigations, but not the judgements.

detention while awaiting trial isn't a form of legal punishment.

If the court see no reason that the accused pose an imminent danger for the society while in freedom and will not jump bail, why a detention? and that doesn't mean that they cannot be sentenced to jail or what ever penalty in a coming trail.

Trying to bribe the courts is a bit contemptuous...

The Supreme Court sentenced three key

members of the legal team of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra

to six months in prison each yesterday over the two-million-baht snack

box incident.Lead lawyer Pichit Chuenban, legal assistant Supasri

Srisawat and the coordinator of the legal team Thana Tansiri were found

guilty by a panel of three judges of contempt of court in the precincts

of the court.Each was given a six-month jail term.The trio also face

criminal charges under Article 144 of the Criminal Code.The panel

chaired by Supreme Court vice-president Mongkol Thapthiang suspects

they were trying to give a bribe and has assigned the court secretary

to lodge a police complaint. Source: Bribery and corruption court cases in Thailand

As for the reds brothers, yes, if they can show they are not a public threat and are bound to stay by other factors, the court would not see a reason to deny bail. Jatuporn probably explained he could not leave because of his future arson/incitement engagements, and demonstrated he was not a public threat by promising not to burn down the courts, ... if released on bail.

[haroldc]

I am not an attorney, but I am of the understanding that the decision of a criminal court to grant bail or not - and if so, in what amount - is based on its evaluation of risk of flight and/or potential harm to society as a result of release.

These two are not worried. They're not going to do a runner on their own. They've been paid to follow the script, and that's exactly what they're going to do. Red shirt leaders are good guys, don't you know?

Even if they do some time, their signing bonuses and payments to date are already safely in place offshore. And not in a way that will be easily traceable: paintings, gemstones, rare coins and stamps, precious and strategic metals, etc.

I spent many, many years here as a consultant on government projects. Thaksin is running the red shirt project in the same style as he did when he was PM.

A British Virgin Islands corporation leases a villa in Paris. The BVI company then hires a Swiss property management company to rent the property. The Swiss property management company hires a Luxembourg security company to guard the property. The contract with the security company has a clause that if the property is bigger than so and so and worth more than so and so, the security company has the right to place a representative of their choosing (and his/her family, if any) to reside on the premises. The security company then makes a independent contractor agreement with Somchai Wattanatham to reside on the premises from time to time. No money is ever paid to Somchai; he and his family just get use of villa and its staff in the course of fulfilling his private contractual obligation to reside there.

How about the key and access documents and information for a safe deposit box containing a few 1 kg. rhodium bars. At today's price, about USD 2,500 per oz. that's USD 87,500 a bar.

Really hard to trace, and believe me, these folks are in it big time and for the long term.

As I have posted many times before, there is a kingdom at stake...

Edited June 8, 2010 by haroldc

[mazeltov]

Jatuporn and Karun are not found guilty yet, there wasn't a trail. DSI does just investigations, but not the judgements.

detention while awaiting trial isn't a form of legal punishment.

If the court see no reason that the accused pose an imminent danger for the society while in freedom and will not jump bail, why a detention? and that doesn't mean that they cannot be sentenced to jail or what ever penalty in a coming trail.

Monkey sees, monkey does ... and they fled to Dubai! No way Jatuporn will stay and face the music.

You mean, that will be most likely a case an organisation like Interpol would not consider as actually crimes to condemn but nothing more than politically motivated judgments?