Do You Hate Your Own Country?

[MAJIC]

I suspect this post could turn into yet another thread,for Expats with issues.Who cant survive in their own Country, usual scenario,from the UK,Australia or America,spend their time attacking and denigrating from behind their keyboards.

Then the anti British,Australian,American, Bashers usually move in.

they won't be missed in their own countries either.

[actiondell4]

I suspect this post could turn into yet another thread,for Expats with issues.Who cant survive in their own Country, usual scenario,from the UK,Australia or America,spend their time attacking and denigrating from behind their keyboards.

Then the anti British,Australian,American, Bashers usually move in.

they won't be missed in their own countries either.

Well look,who can blame them,some of them have spent up to 40 years working and paying taxes and cant even get a pension from their govt.

[thaibeachlovers]

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<br />hyper PC correctness and over application of laws restricting one's personal responsibility for making their own decisions is a bit of a draw back but otherwise not at all...<br />

<br /><br /><br />Yep. The erosion of individual liberties to the point where we're going to join China and Lybia and Myanmar and <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif" /> and bring in  blanket Internet censorship that will be about as effective as <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif" /> - and also the endless march towards the Grey Middle which has been going on for awhile now in Australia and even picking up steam; a world where excellence and innovation are stifled and discouraged in favour of conformity and mediocrity and god dam_n Socialism <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif" /><br /><br /><br />Apart from the overwhelming sense of Entitlement every lazy bum kid has, and our endless noose governments, I love Australia. <br /><br /><br /><br />

<br />At least in one's home country the laws are not subject to the whim of an old judge or nam cha to the police as to whether they take action, or not. Together with the added 'you are farang' and consequently they couldn't be bothered. You know pretty much where you stand in the West, very much not so here.

<br /><br /><br />wow. This is the accepted 'reality' that is pawned onto a gullible public - sure. But find yourself in the inners of that judicial beast in any Western country and you'll get a STARK wake-up call. A Queen's Counsel tends to hold his own against a Legal Aid reject. The vast majority of cases end up in acquittal. To get convicted of a crime in Australia is so unbelievably hard....you kind of have to be insanely unlucky and / or stupid. I'm sure it's the same everywhere.<br /><br /><br />

<br />Now, it has become the United States of *Freedom*.  Freedom for anyone to crash the borders and set up a narcotrafficking gang armed with more heavy duty weaponry than the National Guard.  Freedom for corporations, banksters, and businesses to loot, pillage, pollute, and destroy and then get the $35,000/year taxpayer to pay the looters' multi-million dollar bonuses.  Freedom to create some international job hiring bazaar on American soil, so as to destroy wages, elminate American jobs, and evade workplace safety standards.

<br /><br />Oh wow. <br /><br />1. Your 'narco' problem was created and continues to be facilitated by "The War [lolz] on Drugs" i.e. handing over the industry to the narcos. All gift-wrapped and that. What did anyone think was going to happen when the government refused to regulate and went down the road of Prohibition....again. Cause The Great Experiment was a great success the first time!<br /><br />2. Regulate you stifle. Don't regulate you have chaos. Obviously they didn't get the balance right. They're trying to fix it. It's complex stuff. <br /><br />3. Sigh. Protectionism. Solid. Put those walls up yo - 'protect' - 'your' - jobs. Cause locking out the world and rejecting FTAs in favour of tariffs and shunning globalisation....that's a solid line to pursue right there. Have you thought that plan through, you know, 20 yrs in advance even? Play it out in your mind. See where it takes you. Then please report back.... <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" /><br />

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Please note that's NOT my quote

Hmmm, there seems to be some problem with the "new" OS, as when I click on reply it's all messed up, and hard to read. Anyone else have that problem?

[thaibeachlovers]

<br />I find it funny when people who choose to move to a foreign country bitch about all the foreigners in their own country...<br />

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Why? Most of the posters on TV are not looking to become citizens of LOS, and certainly don't intend to actively ( despite any daydreaming they might do on the forums )try to change LOS to some version of wherever they came from. This is unlike most of the "foreigners in their own country" that usually want to stay permanently, bring in all their elderly relatives for "free" medical treatment on the taxpayer, don't want to integrate and often try to introduce alien laws to suit their own beliefs.

I live in LOS because I love it here, but eventually, I'll have to go "home", because they won't pay me my pension ( for which I paid taxes all my life ) outside the country.

[Gerryasia]

Fat white people.

[elkangorito]

I don't hate anybody but I do intensly dislike idiots. Unfortunately, the world is about 80% full of idiots & the remaining 20%, keep things 'afloat'.

If I'm feeling particularly altruistic, I will give them (the idiots) a couple of chances at redeeming their stupidity.

Edited June 13, 2010 by elkangorito

[bkk_mike]

In a word - IR35.

The UK made me leave by hiking taxes to a level where I'd be giving the government more of the money I earned than I'd be allowed to keep for myself to actually live on. Given I had a wife and two kids to support at the time (wife and 3 kids now), I worked out I couldn't afford to stay.

[MAJIC]

I suspect this post could turn into yet another thread,for Expats with issues.Who cant survive in their own Country, usual scenario,from the UK,Australia or America,spend their time attacking and denigrating from behind their keyboards.

Then the anti British,Australian,American, Bashers usually move in.

they won't be missed in their own countries either.

Well look,who can blame them,some of them have spent up to 40 years working and paying taxes and cant even get a pension from their govt.

I can only speak for the UK legislation concerning pensions:to qualify for a full Pension the working period used to be 44 years,if say you only worked for 40 years a (approximate)10% reduction would be made on Retirement.

Now the rules have changed,you only need to work 30 years for full Pension rights,but the Retirement age has increased to 68 years of age instead of the previous 65 years of age,but this only applies to the younger generations,who will have to provide their own private pension.

e.g if you Immigrated to Australia having worked 12 years in the UK then you would be entitled to a small Retirement Pension that would take into account the reduced accrued years entitlement.

Two of my Australian friends in Thailand are receiving their reduced Pensions,from the UK.

So please if anyone claims they worked 40 years in the UK and dont have a right to a Pension,its definately 100% B***S**T.

[MAJIC]

I don't, and never will, hate the country of my birth for I know that no matter how much the world goes pear shaped it's the only place I have a right to be.

I still very much enjoy going back there for visits seeing friends and family even though two out of the last three have seen me up to my knees in snow.

I also very much like my education, the likes of which stands me in good stead just about anywhere in the world.

The only thing I hate is the use of the word "hate". Isn't the world full enough of hatred that we have to hate everything we, in reality, merely dislike? Try cutting back on the negative outlook and you'll find yourself liking a lot more than you do now.

The best post I've read on ThaiVisa is a long time.

There's nothing new about malcontents getting on a plane and coming to Thailand, ranting about their old life in their old country, only to find they brought their mindset with them and wind up griping about Thailand before they quietly sneak back to the old country.

i Agree with both of you.

And when their money runs out or they get seriously sick and can't afford Thailand health care anymore,they will go scurrying back to the their Homeland,the same one they hate!

[witold]

People say a lot of horrible things about their home countries, but I think they are just venting vast majority of time.

If they are serious and say that they came to LOS because of nazi Bush policies or something, then I just think they are losing their perception and rational thought and are on the way to the crazy house.

[witold]

Here are priorities I wished our governments would concentrate on:

- get the price of food down by about 90%

- get the price of real estate down by 80%

The easiest way to do this to have everyone take a 90% paycut. I wonder why you didn't include that on your wish list?

Most of the favorable price discrepancies in LOS are a symptom of very low wages. In a handful of places where people make a lot more - sukhumvit, silom, etc - housing prices are almost in line to Western prices. The same thing will happen to food and other services as LOS wages slowly creep up.

[johnmcc6]

I don't hate Australia but when a carton of beer hits $50.00 it's to time to go !

To the OP question: yes... I do!

Hopefully, I -nearly- never lived there... and the only thing that is relating me to Belgium: it's a burgundy book!

[BangkokHank]

This is a hard question to answer. And that's primarily because I don't come from a real country. I come from the United States of America. And the United States doesn't have a common tradition, a common heritage, a common language, or common values--all the things that actually characterize a nation. It had those things, once, but no longer. Now, it has become the United States of *Freedom*. Freedom for anyone to crash the borders and set up a narcotrafficking gang armed with more heavy duty weaponry than the National Guard. Freedom for corporations, banksters, and businesses to loot, pillage, pollute, and destroy and then get the $35,000/year taxpayer to pay the looters' multi-million dollar bonuses. Freedom to create some international job hiring bazaar on American soil, so as to destroy wages, elminate American jobs, and evade workplace safety standards. Freedom for BosWash elites to assign themselves sinecures in government, business, or the military that are more solidly entrenched than the old Soviet Union's Politburo. And, increasingly, an unnamed (and unmentioned) political aristocracy in which certain families establish and enforce dynastic rule over the populace. And, finally, the freedom for a lot of very wealthy plutocrats to send the sons and daughters of poor, mainly rural, working Americans to godforesaken countries across the world, in order to protect the wealth and privilege of those plutocrats and their vampire-like offspring.

Do I hate my country? How could anyone hate the sort of place I just described?

Brilliant. As someone who comes from the same place - and sees the same changes, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Berkshire]

This is a hard question to answer. And that's primarily because I don't come from a real country. I come from the United States of America. And the United States doesn't have a common tradition, a common heritage, a common language, or common values--all the things that actually characterize a nation. It had those things, once, but no longer. Now, it has become the United States of *Freedom*. Freedom for anyone to crash the borders and set up a narcotrafficking gang armed with more heavy duty weaponry than the National Guard. Freedom for corporations, banksters, and businesses to loot, pillage, pollute, and destroy and then get the $35,000/year taxpayer to pay the looters' multi-million dollar bonuses. Freedom to create some international job hiring bazaar on American soil, so as to destroy wages, elminate American jobs, and evade workplace safety standards. Freedom for BosWash elites to assign themselves sinecures in government, business, or the military that are more solidly entrenched than the old Soviet Union's Politburo. And, increasingly, an unnamed (and unmentioned) political aristocracy in which certain families establish and enforce dynastic rule over the populace. And, finally, the freedom for a lot of very wealthy plutocrats to send the sons and daughters of poor, mainly rural, working Americans to godforesaken countries across the world, in order to protect the wealth and privilege of those plutocrats and their vampire-like offspring.

Do I hate my country? How could anyone hate the sort of place I just described?

Brilliant. As someone who comes from the same place - and sees the same changes, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Hmmm, well, I certainly don't hate the good old USA. For the many negatives, I can probably find just as many positives. The bottom line, though, is that I just like Thailand better.

[actiondell4]

As you are /were talking about old age pensions,I heard Australians who had been living In Thailand and then went back to Australia at 65yo have been refused the pension because according to Centrelink(Dept of Social Security,but changed their name to Centrelink) you must have live for 2 years in Australia prior to claiming.

So if your living in Thailand now and your 62yo and a Australian Citizen you better head back before 63 for 2 years otherwise you miss out on a old age pension.

Australia is a rotten Country ,I hate it everyday and i am counting my days to leave this B......d place !

[Huey]

I Love America, I'm proud of being American, however I'm not blind to her flaws. Yet I believe ya root for the home team and love where your're from even if you don't live there.

Personally I look at it like;

America is my Mom.

Thailand is my Wife.

I'm all grown up now, so I will visit Mommy on occasion, but I live with my wife.

[Forethat]

I Love America, I'm proud of being American, however I'm not blind to her flaws. Yet I believe ya root for the home team and love where your're from even if you don't live there.

Personally I look at it like;

America is my Mom.

Thailand is my Wife.

I'm all grown up now, so I will visit Mommy on occasion, but I live with my wife.

What a great post! I never thought of it this way, but now when you point it out, I agree!