Thai Govt Ignores Red Shirts Rights: NHRC

[mahtin]

[ThaksinKharma]

Photo of the red shirt fugitive terrorism suspect Surachai Tewarat

and his arrest today

Kom Chad Luek article in Thai

http://www.komchadluek.net/detail/20100715/66633/%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%98%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%98.%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%87.html

[ThaksinKharma]

Red guard fugitive Surachai nabbed on terrorism charges

Police arrested fugitive red shirt guard Surachai "Rang" Thewarat in Lop Buri yesterday on terrorism charges.

Surachai, 25, was a close associate of the late "Seh Daeng," Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol.

Surachai reportedly has admitted being with others who launched M79 grenades at a police flat on May 15, and attacked a police checkpoint near Lumpini Park with rifle fire, causing two deaths, on May 8.

Surachai, who was on the Department of Special Investigation's (DSI) "most wanted" list, was captured in a hotel room in Lop Buri's Muang district during a morning raid led by Police Major-General Thanapol Sonthes, commander of the Special Patrol and Operations Division, or 191 police.

Thanapol said Surachai was wanted on three warrants on charges of terrorism, violating the emergency decree, and bodily assault. Police knew Surachai had fled to Cambodia after May 19, but returned to Thailand on June 26 and had been hiding in the North, Northeast, and the East regions before moving to the Lop Buri hotel where he was captured, he said.

Police Colonel Panurat Lakboon, deputy commander of the 191 police, said the initial investigation revealed Surachai, who had been involved in many violent incidents in Bangkok, was efficient in using weapons and was well trained. After questioning, police would hand Surachai over to the DSI, he said.

Surachai reportedly told police he was a close aide to Major-General Khattiya for many years and served as a trainer in the "King Taksin warriors" for eight years.

He also reportedly admitted he was one of the "men in black" who launched M79 grenades at a Lumpini police flat on May 15 and that he fired an M16 rifle at a security checkpoint at the Saladaeng intersection on May 8, when two officers were killed.

Major-General Khattiya planned and commanded every attack, Surachai said, but he declined to say how many people were involved.

Surachai also reportedly said Major-General Khattiya took him and other "men in black" to undergo weapons and tactical training in Taiwan, Panurat said.

An informed source reported that after Surachai returned to Thailand on June 26, he reunited with former subordinates of Major-General Khattiya. He contacted his wife, saying he was staying in a Lop Buri hotel and would send her some money after completing an important mission.

The source said the mission was believed to be related to the July 12 assassination of Nakhon Sawan provincial administrative organisation president, Amnat Sirichai.

In addition, police would also look into an alleged plot to assassinate Thailand's key person with assistance from Lop Buri local politicians, the source reported.

At DSI headquarters, Director-General Tharit Pengdit said yesterday deputy national police chief General Panupong Singhara na Ayutthaya had contacted him about handing over Surachai to the agency. Warrants had been issued against Surachai alleging involvement in the M79 grenade to attacks on the BTS station in Saladaeng and the police checkpoint near Lumpini Park. Police and DSI officials would interrogate him further on these matters.

Meanwhile, Metropolitan Police deputy commissioner Major-General Sumet Ruangsawat, said the police investigation into the Amnat Sirichai assassination was ongoing and, if evidence was found implicating Surachai, he would be charged accordingly. But for now it would be best to let the investigation run before commenting.

Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said yesterday he had received the report about Surachai's arrest and would wait on the DSI investigation results.

He affirmed there was no scapegoat capturing in the case and the authority already had details of several operations carried out during the red shirt rally.

The Nation

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/07/16/national/Red-guard-fugitive-Surachai-nabbed-on-terrorism-ch-30133861.html

[ThaksinKharma]

Thai police arrest 'Red Shirt' activist

Thai police tonight said they had arrested an anti-government Red Shirt who was a close aide to an assassinated rogue general in connection with a series of attacks in Bangkok.

Surachai Thewarat, 25, is accused of being involved in incidents including a deadly drive-by shooting at a police checkpoint in May during a mass opposition rally in the capital.

"He was arrested without resistance after more than 10 commandos stormed his hotel room" in central Lop Buri province early on Thursday, police Major General Tanaphon Sonthet said.

The suspect, who faces charges of terrorism, is reported to have recently returned from Cambodia where had been hiding with other fugitive Red Shirts.

Tanaphon said Surachai was a close aide of Major-General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, an unofficial security adviser to the red-clad movement who was shot dead in May, apparently by a sniper, during a mass opposition rally.

AFP

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/thai-police-arrest-red-shirt-activist/story-e6frf7jx-1225892380102

[Siripon]

Oh my, what will the red shirts and Nong Dear, Seh Daeng's daughter, say now?

1. Jatupon etc will say the red shirts didn't have anything to do with Sae Daeng, though he provided securiry for the whole of the red protest at Ratchaprasong!

2. Surachai is a fake red shirt!

3. Nong Dear had better start looking at her father's legacy in another light, however painful that may be.

[jayjay0]

Am interested to see if they are treated much worse than normal prisoners in Thai jails...

No they are being pampered. Do you see any normal criminals being let out of jail to run for public office. Treat them like normal crimanals and they will really cry. Maybe even repent.

Simply amazing how many red shirt lovers are still convinced that they did nothing wrong. and if they did it was because the government made them do it. Sounds like little kids argument when they are caught being being naughty With minds like that Thailand will have a lot to overcome. Like it or not Thailand is a Democracy. Maybe not your kind but it is still a Democracy.

The red shirts promote anarchy but in the end the Thais they are trying to convince will throw them out.

Edited July 16, 2010 by jayjay0

[jayjay0]

They have been arrested on terrorist charges and remanded in custody untill such time as they can be brought to court.

How do you know this when the people who have been arrested have not been told what they are being charged with?

Unbelievable how ignorant some people can be. They try to burn Thailand down and yet they are let out to run for public office and people claim they don't know why they are being held. UNBELIEVABLE

[jayjay0]

Under the laws of the moment of their crimes,

and since they DID and DO understand what the SoE meant, clearly,

they have no one to blame but themselves for their incarceration.

That they are being held out of their home districts is prudent.

The actions were done on Bangkok, not their home districts.

Since all over the web is evidence of their instigation of violent acts against the country,

it is absurd to say 'where is the evidence'. It just hasn't gotten to court yet,

because no doubt the prosecutors want as air tight a case as possible.

Considering their actions that were FULL PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE on a daily basis.

there is 'reasonable reason' to believe they are a continuing threat to public order,

and any court would find that sufficient reason to continue incarceration.

Not to mention that letting them loose allows them to actively plot more insurection.

They have repeatedly proved that they are a clear and present danger to the national interest,

That in of itself is reason to not allow them free run in public.

If the NHRC finds rights deprived based on Non Emergency Law situations,

then that doesn't apply to the present incarceration.

This is nothing more than the Reds Playing the same PR games they played

during the rally: Do anything possible to win back power for their bosses.

Do not hang them, just lock them of for a generation, based on law and their actions.

Draw the line in the sand for the next bunch of potentially treasonous insurgents to learn from.

Thailand adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. That is a binding international law for all member states of The UN and cannot be declared void in Thailand because Abhisit wants to rule by decree.

Some red cheerleaders are more concerned to get their leaders back on the streets to resume their violent thuggery than anything else. That these people organised a planned attack on the working class of Bangkok led by individuals such as Arisman openly inciting the arming and throwing of molotov cocktails is sufficient reason to keep them locked up. The only rights you fight for is the return of Thaksin. All else is waffle.

Seems to me that the red shirts are the biggest violators of Human Rights that ia according to the Declaration of Human Rights.

Just a thought does the government really want him back. Think of the unrest he could cause if he was on the scene. Also do you think he wants to come back. I would think at his age he would fear for his safety.

Edited July 16, 2010 by jayjay0

[jayjay0]

You seem to be forgetting the other four hundred people who were picked up, imprisoned and not charged - perhaps by now they have been- can somebody clarify? And while your at it- do the authorities require even a court issued warrant to pick some one up under the S of E?

If your going to come up with numbers and comments like that Blaze then you should be prepared to show by links where they came from.

If you cant then it makes you sound like one of the red supporters who will twist anything out of context to try for some silly political point.

However back to the topic and seeing as you have a lot of info perhaps you could answer my question.

What of the human rights of the reds victims?

List in Thai of 417 being held around the country under the SOE

There are 8 youth included in the list. They are currently being detained in juvenile detention centers. How will they be treated under the Emergency Decree?

This is just a list of those held by the police what about individuals being held by actors other than the police, including the Army and the Border Patrol Police?

Summary of Detentions By Police Region

1. Bangkok Metropolitan Region 221 people

2. Region 1 40 people

2.1. Pathumthani Province 14 people

2.2. Samut Prakan Province 8 people

2.3. Ayutthaya Province 18 people

3. Region 2 [none]

4. Region 3 29 people

4.1 Ubol Ratchathani Province 29 people

5. Region 4 105 people

5.1. Khon Kaen Province 6 people

5.2. Mukdahan Province 19 people

5.3. Udon Thani Province 80 people

6. Region 5 20 people

6.1. Chiang Mai Province 5 people

6.2. Chiang Rai Province 10 people

6.3. Nan Province 5 people

7. Region 6 [none]

8. Region 7 2 people

8.1. Nakhon Pathom 2 people

9. Region 8, Region 9 [none]

Any fool can make up numbers. When will you red shirts get desperate enough to try honesty.

Answer NEVER

Edited July 16, 2010 by jayjay0

[mazeltov]

You seem to be forgetting the other four hundred people who were picked up, imprisoned and not charged - perhaps by now they have been- can somebody clarify? And while your at it- do the authorities require even a court issued warrant to pick some one up under the S of E?

If your going to come up with numbers and comments like that Blaze then you should be prepared to show by links where they came from.

If you cant then it makes you sound like one of the red supporters who will twist anything out of context to try for some silly political point.

However back to the topic and seeing as you have a lot of info perhaps you could answer my question.

What of the human rights of the reds victims?

List in Thai of 417 being held around the country under the SOE

There are 8 youth included in the list. They are currently being detained in juvenile detention centers. How will they be treated under the Emergency Decree?

This is just a list of those held by the police what about individuals being held by actors other than the police, including the Army and the Border Patrol Police?

Summary of Detentions By Police Region

1. Bangkok Metropolitan Region 221 people

2. Region 1 40 people

2.1. Pathumthani Province 14 people

2.2. Samut Prakan Province 8 people

2.3. Ayutthaya Province 18 people

3. Region 2 [none]

4. Region 3 29 people

4.1 Ubol Ratchathani Province 29 people

5. Region 4 105 people

5.1. Khon Kaen Province 6 people

5.2. Mukdahan Province 19 people

5.3. Udon Thani Province 80 people

6. Region 5 20 people

6.1. Chiang Mai Province 5 people

6.2. Chiang Rai Province 10 people

6.3. Nan Province 5 people

7. Region 6 [none]

8. Region 7 2 people

8.1. Nakhon Pathom 2 people

9. Region 8, Region 9 [none]

Any fool can make up numbers. When will you red shirts get desperate enough to try honesty.

Answer NEVER

That is a official list by the Thai police. Only fools would declare it to red propaganda.

the pdf file is hosted by http://www.saranitet.police.go.th

[Lite Beer]

Rice farmers are people too. They have to be treated with respect.

I agree that they should not vote, but that doesn't mean their voice must not be heard.

As a alternative, why not select someone smarter to represent them.

This is better than letting them sell their vote for 20 baht each (plus transport).

And their voice will still be heard by people in Elite in Bangkok.

[Lite Beer]

A post containing a derogatory comment has been deleted, along with replies to it.

[mazeltov]

Surachai, 25, was a close associate of the late "Seh Daeng," Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol.

...

Surachai reportedly told police he was a close aide to Major-General Khattiya for many years and served as a trainer in the "King Taksin warriors" for eight years.

Is he really just 25 years old? Looks very young to me for a close associate for many years and a trainer for eight years.

Any more details on the King Taksin warriors? Have they something to do with the "King Taksin Operation", a strategic plan of protesters to lay a siege on the government office, the parliament building, the airport, TV & radio stations, the stock exchange and the Finance Ministry and several other business spot in capital, all at the same time.

[tartempion]

to the winner, the spoils

if you can't do the time don't do the crime

there are loads of cliches to cover this topic but really, who gives a shit about their rights?

the reds are anarchists working for a meglomaniac dictator in the making, who tried to bring this country to its knees

som nom na

Most of the red shirts were (are) working people who got brainwashed in believing something.

And so were (are) most of the yellow shirts....

And most of the posters here also don't seem to have much of a brain reading their stupid comments here...

[philw]

Rice farmers are people too. They have to be treated with respect.

I agree that they should not vote, but that doesn't mean their voice must not be heard.

As a alternative, why not select someone smarter to represent them.

This is better than letting them sell their vote for 20 baht each (plus transport).

And their voice will still be heard by people in Elite in Bangkok.

T

This is friday afternoon and it's been a long week for me, you are tongue in cheek, right ?

philw

Edited July 16, 2010 by philw

[ThaksinKharma]

Red guard fugitive Surachai nabbed on terrorism charges

An informed source reported that after Surachai returned to Thailand on June 26, he reunited with former subordinates of Major-General Khattiya. He contacted his wife, saying he was staying in a Lop Buri hotel and would send her some money after completing an important mission.

The source said the mission was believed to be related to the July 12 assassination of Nakhon Sawan provincial administrative organisation president, Amnat Sirichai.

Police to Probe Trajectory of Nakhon Sawan Administrative Chief

Police has brought in 3D technology to dramatize the assassination of the Nakhon Sawan provincial administration chief, to investigate the trajectory and distance of the bullets.

Police from the Scientific Crime Detection Division visited the Nakhon Sawan Provincial Hall, the scene where Nakhon Sawan Provincial Administrative Organization Chief, Amnart Sirichai, was assassinated on July 11th.

The authorities used the ScanStation, a 3D technology, to dramatize the crime scene to draw details of the assassination with a comprehensive 360-degree perspective.

The procedure will be able to accurately measure the trajectory of the bullets fired and thus help identify the direction of the bullets and where they had been fired from.

Meanwhile, police are still working to track down the gunman by probing suspected vehicles.

TAN

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1032270

[ThaksinKharma]

Seh Daeng Right-hand Man Suspected of Arms Dealing

Seh Daeng's right-hand man has been arrested in Lopburi province.

Initial reports suggest that he could be linked to arms dealing and involved in 8 red shirt-protest related incidents including the shooting of Col Romklao Thuwatham, who was killed during clashes with the red-shirt protesters and an attack on an army oil depot.

TAN

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1032279

[ThaksinKharma]

Sniper Attack Suspected in Nakhon Sawan Murder Case

Investigators in charge of the Nakhon Sawan provincial administration chief's assassination case has brought in a rifle for an expert to re-enact the shooting, resulting in a belief that the victim was killed by a sniper shot.

The police unit investigating the assassination of Nakhon Sawan Provincial Administrative Organization chief Amnart Sirichai had a firearms expert test fire guns with different calibers of bullets and got the witnesses to point out which sound they heard on the night of the assassination.

After the re-enactment, witnesses said the rifle that fired a 7.62-caliber bullet most resembled the gunfire they heard that night.

However, firearms expert Jetarin Onsa-ard stated that the 7.62-caliber bullet is very similar to the .308. The 7.62 bullet can be distinguished by more gunpowder, making it very loud and more powerful.

Also, this caliber is only used by the military, whereas the .308 bullets can be found at every gun store.

Police will use the collected data to further the investigation and find leads to hunt down the perpatrators.

Meanwhile, Surachai Tewarat, a suspect charged with terrorism during the red-shirt rally, has been named as possibly being involved in the assassination of the Nakhon Sawan administrative chief.

However, further details are required and Surachai is now in the custody of the Department of Special investigation.

TAN

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1032325

[ThaksinKharma]

Ex-Khattiya aide behind weapons attacks: DSI

A man identified as a former right-hand man of late Army adviser Khattiya Sawasdiphol was allegedly behind several grenade and gunfire attacks during the red-shirt protests in May, in addition to two other attacks he admitted to after his arrest on Thursday, Department of Special Investigation sources said yesterday.

According to the sources, Surachai Thewarat, 25, was possibly linked to two grenade attacks on April 10 that killed five soldiers, including Colonel Romklao Thuwatham; an M-79 grenade attack on the Sala Daeng BTS station on April 22; another on the 11th Infantry Regiment on March 28; a rocket-propelled-grenade attack on Dusit Thani Hotel on May 17; and an M-79 attack near Lumpini Park, which killed two policemen.

After his arrest on Thursday, the jobless Buri Ram native allegedly admitted to taking part in two attacks, one with an M-79 on May 19 on Lumpini police station and a gunfire attack on a police checkpoint on May 8, which killed one policeman.

The suspect is under detention after the Criminal Court yesterday turned down his request for a temporary release. He has admitted to automatic gunfire into the Dusit Thani, but pleaded not guilty to the other two cases he allegedly admitted to on Thursday.

Special operations 191 police, who arrested Surachai in Lop Buri on Thursday, said he also admitted to firing M-79 grenades on several occasions towards People's Alliance for Democracy protesters during their occupation of the Government House compound two years ago.

Police Colonel Phanurat Lakbun said Surachai had also been wanted for several counts of assault on his parents-in-law, on a nephew of his wife - causing him serious injuries - and on one another person.

Police are interviewing 30 people while gathering evidence on telephone communications and money transactions between the suspect and other people.

The officer said the suspect travelled to Lop Buri to carry out an assassination in the province, having re-entered Thailand on June 20. He had fled to Cambodia after the main red-shirt protest site at the Rajaprasong intersection was dispersed by troops on May 19.

Surachai also admitted to firing from an automatic rifle at Dusit Thani Hotel, on one occasion out of anger stemming from Khattiya being shot in the head, in the belief that the hotel sheltered the sharpshooter who had attacked the late Army major-general, the officer said.

Citing tip-offs leading to Surachai's arrest, DSI director-general Tharit Phengdit said the suspect "went underground" after the red-shirt protest was broken up on May 19 but ran out of money, so he started selling weapons and munitions.

The DSI first located the suspect after a sting in Chon Buri province in which he sold two AK-47 rifles, two M-79 launchers and 25 grenades to Navy agents for Bt60,000. The items were part of an arms cache allegedly given to him by Khattiya for use during the protests.

Police said a separate investigation was underway to determine whether police or government officials had sheltered the suspect during his escape or facilitated it in any other way.

The Nation

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/07/17/national/Ex-Khattiya-aide-behind-weapons-attacks-DSI-30133963.html

[TAWP]

two AK-47 rifles, two M-79 launchers and 25 grenades to Navy agents for Bt60,000

Those are prices I can live with...now I just need to find the market place.

[overhaul38]

Wonder if hhey are going to ask about the human rights of those who lost their bussiness, jobs and livlihoods because of the red shirts "peaceful" rally or the human rights of those who were injured by grenades or those who were in the TV3 building when it was set on fire, etc etc

No more than the human rights of those who lost their business, jobs and livelihood because of the yellow shirts "peaceful" rally, occupation and damage to the gov. building and airports or the human rights of those injured and killed during their rampage. How soon we forget.

[TAWP]

Do we really have to sum up the damages to be higher than the Yellow shirts actions before a red appologist say that perhaps it wasn't a good idea to burn down Central World etc?

[overhaul38]

Sniper Attack Suspected in Nakhon Sawan Murder Case

Investigators in charge of the Nakhon Sawan provincial administration chief's assassination case has brought in a rifle for an expert to re-enact the shooting, resulting in a belief that the victim was killed by a sniper shot.

The police unit investigating the assassination of Nakhon Sawan Provincial Administrative Organization chief Amnart Sirichai had a firearms expert test fire guns with different calibers of bullets and got the witnesses to point out which sound they heard on the night of the assassination.

After the re-enactment, witnesses said the rifle that fired a 7.62-caliber bullet most resembled the gunfire they heard that night.

However, firearms expert Jetarin Onsa-ard stated that the 7.62-caliber bullet is very similar to the .308. The 7.62 bullet can be distinguished by more gunpowder, making it very loud and more powerful.

Also, this caliber is only used by the military, whereas the .308 bullets can be found at every gun store.

Police will use the collected data to further the investigation and find leads to hunt down the perpatrators.

Meanwhile, Surachai Tewarat, a suspect charged with terrorism during the red-shirt rally, has been named as possibly being involved in the assassination of the Nakhon Sawan administrative chief.

However, further details are required and Surachai is now in the custody of the Department of Special investigation.

TAN

http://www.thailando...?DataID=1032325

How many people can distinguish (accurately) between a 7.62mm and .308 inch round being fired? A 7.62mm is equivalent in diameter to a .304 inch round. and a .308 magnum has more gunpowder.

It would require a extremely experienced firearms expert to distinguish the difference. You would certainly have to hear both fired consecutively to distinguish which was the loudest.

[stepenwolf1958]

Before I say anything I would like to remind all of us about big loss for Thai people. Mr. Somkiet who recently passed away was the founder of Midnight University at the University of Chiang Mai.

It was the man who led the organization of self-similar people, the intellectual elite of this country, whose voice in these times is very necessary.

For those foreigners who do not know Midnight University was the voice of healthy sense in this country.

Several times some people tried to stop its work. Someone who didn't want any voice of different thoughts be heard here also tried stop the website, with accusations that unfortunately we hear today so often against the protestors. Mr. Somkiet successfully defended the work of the Midnight University.

They still work today.

Mr. Somkiet successfully predicted all these events with the red shirt protest in his statements about the roots of long term and deep division of Thai society at the time the PAD protest events.

I remember his every single word about what will be in Bangkok if oligarchy and fast money makers don’t find the way to sit and talk. He pointed just 2 groups of influent and powerful people, layers of Thai society which must to find some way to talk before is too late for the country and people.

Those words he said in Chiang Mai popular magazine. He told there it’s not just about color of the shirt. He said those protesters are just used and manipulated by people who are not visible in public.

He is gone about colon cancer and his death is great loss for Thais.

RIP

His death made me to say this.

Absolutely I'm not interested in either red or yellow shirts and that I would advise to all other foreigners who “belong” to one or the other side.

Quite painful is to read some comments here, from people who don’t know many things but commenting like pseudo “specialists” and emotionally taking one side or the other.

This refers to idolater of PAD - yellow shirts and the current government who are showing just absolute antagonism toward the red shirts and Mr.Thaksin.

I have no reason to support Mr.Thaksin, but more then sure is that I have no any reason to say anything good for what the government has done to the people in red shirts and still doing.

But some things are unavoidable and must be said.

Daily statements of this government tell us what is behind of all. Especially statements of its individual members (Mr. Suthep and spokesman of Democrats) are a proof and show the extent of hatred and fear is present among all of them.

Fear of Mr.Thaksin as political opponent and the red shirt as political possible power.

The way the government dispersed and treated the protesters before the attacks, talking about how well the whole situation was calculated on the reaction of same red shirt mass. Obviously there was a very insidious plan. Red shirts are overplayed because they have done and reacted just as it was needed so now Mr. Suthep can call them terrorists and destroying reds as political opponent can continue.

The government has provoked the protesters by cutting the supply lines of the protesters with water and food and that was the beginning of chaos.

Everything that happened later was the principle of domino effect.

Everything that happened later was expected and it is my opinion that the reactions were also planned by the government but only individual members. I think Mr.Abhisit was not the part of obvious plan with tragic consequences. Simply, he is a young, highly educated man who has long lived in Britain so for me is incomprehensible that he could be part of this vicious game against the red shirts. He just was not someone who has everything organized and monitored, but only someone who served over the situation in the formal approval. It is likely that he sees in his ruling coalition has those who have it all organized and almost behind his back but he is under attacks now. It is my assumption that he knows that so he is just waiting for the moment to get rid of those few around him.

To remind all of us Mr. Suthep was in charge for dispersal of red shirt. Mr. Suthep studied Politic Science so he knows very well how to “play the game”. His background, recent scandal with the land plots for rich families is what we should know.

Just to remind you of an important fact which here is avoid by fans and supporters of the yellow shirts or Government.

It is my opinion that foreigners should stay away of all of this, especially as nothing has not been completed but something I have to remind all of us here.

In time of PAD rallies Mr. Samak and Mr. Somchai was PMs. Mr. Somchai very short time but both of them as Prime Minister could use force to stop the PAD rallies. Police were unconditionally loyal to both of them. Why they didn’t use the Police force harder? Why Mr. Somchai resigned? Why he didn’t order to the Police forces or invited Army from South or anywhere else so to order them to use weapons to disperse PAD.

He (they) could not? I will tell you: they didn’t WANT to.

When you are commenting recent bloodshed have this fact on your mind. Any time you accuse red shirts ask yourself who opened fire as first? Who provoked clash and firing? Ask yourself what other color of shirt was shadowy involved in all of this.

THAT color is real danger, not the red or yellow shirts.

Think of why the report of forensics was given just about four people who were killed in the temple, Report said (MP Mr. Abhisit said so) that the shots were fired at them from the ground plane and for the other two there was no report. What happened to them if they were not killed from the ground? Think about so many things what happened out of logic and explaination were more out of logic, before you give any comment here.

[stepenwolf1958]

Sniper Attack Suspected in Nakhon Sawan Murder Case

Investigators in charge of the Nakhon Sawan provincial administration chief's assassination case has brought in a rifle for an expert to re-enact the shooting, resulting in a belief that the victim was killed by a sniper shot.

The police unit investigating the assassination of Nakhon Sawan Provincial Administrative Organization chief Amnart Sirichai had a firearms expert test fire guns with different calibers of bullets and got the witnesses to point out which sound they heard on the night of the assassination.

After the re-enactment, witnesses said the rifle that fired a 7.62-caliber bullet most resembled the gunfire they heard that night.

However, firearms expert Jetarin Onsa-ard stated that the 7.62-caliber bullet is very similar to the .308. The 7.62 bullet can be distinguished by more gunpowder, making it very loud and more powerful.

Also, this caliber is only used by the military, whereas the .308 bullets can be found at every gun store.

Police will use the collected data to further the investigation and find leads to hunt down the perpatrators.

Meanwhile, Surachai Tewarat, a suspect charged with terrorism during the red-shirt rally, has been named as possibly being involved in the assassination of the Nakhon Sawan administrative chief.

However, further details are required and Surachai is now in the custody of the Department of Special investigation.

TAN

http://www.thailando...?DataID=1032325

How many people can distinguish (accurately) between a 7.62mm and .308 inch round being fired? A 7.62mm is equivalent in diameter to a .304 inch round. and a .308 magnum has more gunpowder.

It would require a extremely experienced firearms expert to distinguish the difference. You would certainly have to hear both fired consecutively to distinguish which was the loudest.

Yes, you are right and i agree with you but there is one more thing needed.

You said:"It would require a extremely experienced firearms expert to distinguish the difference. You would certainly have to hear both fired consecutively to distinguish which was the loudest."

If the witness hear it during the day, as i think re-enacting happened during the day, that will be one more reason to have doubts about abillity of witness because shooting happened during the night when all sounds are louder. We'll see.

[brahmburgers]

I looked for a news item in this forum on the recent arrest of one of Sae Dang's top henchmen; Sawasdipol. Didn't find.

The guy started admitting a bunch of aggressions (bombings, shootings, etc,) in the name of the Reds. But a day later, he's saying he needs time to think things over - realizing he admitted too much. He must have had a visit by a lawyer (maybe one of Thaksin's), who told him to 'shut up' - and told Sawasdipol he doesn't need to spill so many beans, just because he's in custody.

Initially, the guy admitted a whole range of transgressions while he was allied with Thaksin's Red Protectors - a.k.a. Ninjas, or 'men in black' or 'mystery shooters.' The guy was caught in a police sting operation, trying to sell a bunch of weapons and ammo. He's also implicated in beating up family members. It's a big story for Thailand and goes a long way to destroying the myth that the Reds didn't have an integrated faction who's assignment was to clandestinely harm people and property.

I, for one, hope the authorities stick it to the guy, and get him to sing long and loud, about every nefarious incident he knows about. He's going to implicate a lot of people in some serious crimes. Big points for Abhisit's government, while the Reds lose big time! Sawisdipol is the key to shooting down the many big lies perpetrated by Thaksin and the Red leaders - and he's the key to getting some of the heavies put behind bars for a long time.

p.s. Maybe all the Red leaders can claim to have found Jesus and become Bible thumpers. Then at least the Christians will forgive them - as they did with forgiving Cambodia's 'Dutch' for killing thousands. Really folks, Dutch was head of a people killing facility during the Khmer years - but later when he became a Christian, the Church forgave him of all he did. Accept Jesus, and you get instant acceptance and all is forgiven, how easy and simple life can be!

[philw]

Before I say anything I would like to remind all of us about big loss for Thai people. Mr. Somkiet who recently passed away was the founder of Midnight University at the University of Chiang Mai.

It was the man who led the organization of self-similar people, the intellectual elite of this country, whose voice in these times is very necessary.

For those foreigners who do not know Midnight University was the voice of healthy sense in this country.

Several times some people tried to stop its work. Someone who didn't want any voice of different thoughts be heard here also tried stop the website, with accusations that unfortunately we hear today so often against the protestors. Mr. Somkiet successfully defended the work of the Midnight University.

They still work today.

Mr. Somkiet successfully predicted all these events with the red shirt protest in his statements about the roots of long term and deep division of Thai society at the time the PAD protest events.

I remember his every single word about what will be in Bangkok if oligarchy and fast money makers don’t find the way to sit and talk. He pointed just 2 groups of influent and powerful people, layers of Thai society which must to find some way to talk before is too late for the country and people.

Those words he said in Chiang Mai popular magazine. He told there it’s not just about color of the shirt. He said those protesters are just used and manipulated by people who are not visible in public.

He is gone about colon cancer and his death is great loss for Thais.

RIP

His death made me to say this.

Absolutely I'm not interested in either red or yellow shirts and that I would advise to all other foreigners who “belong” to one or the other side.

Quite painful is to read some comments here, from people who don’t know many things but commenting like pseudo “specialists” and emotionally taking one side or the other.

This refers to idolater of PAD - yellow shirts and the current government who are showing just absolute antagonism toward the red shirts and Mr.Thaksin.

I have no reason to support Mr.Thaksin, but more then sure is that I have no any reason to say anything good for what the government has done to the people in red shirts and still doing.

But some things are unavoidable and must be said.

Daily statements of this government tell us what is behind of all. Especially statements of its individual members (Mr. Suthep and spokesman of Democrats) are a proof and show the extent of hatred and fear is present among all of them.

Fear of Mr.Thaksin as political opponent and the red shirt as political possible power.

The way the government dispersed and treated the protesters before the attacks, talking about how well the whole situation was calculated on the reaction of same red shirt mass. Obviously there was a very insidious plan. Red shirts are overplayed because they have done and reacted just as it was needed so now Mr. Suthep can call them terrorists and destroying reds as political opponent can continue.

The government has provoked the protesters by cutting the supply lines of the protesters with water and food and that was the beginning of chaos.

Everything that happened later was the principle of domino effect.

Everything that happened later was expected and it is my opinion that the reactions were also planned by the government but only individual members. I think Mr.Abhisit was not the part of obvious plan with tragic consequences. Simply, he is a young, highly educated man who has long lived in Britain so for me is incomprehensible that he could be part of this vicious game against the red shirts. He just was not someone who has everything organized and monitored, but only someone who served over the situation in the formal approval. It is likely that he sees in his ruling coalition has those who have it all organized and almost behind his back but he is under attacks now. It is my assumption that he knows that so he is just waiting for the moment to get rid of those few around him.

To remind all of us Mr. Suthep was in charge for dispersal of red shirt. Mr. Suthep studied Politic Science so he knows very well how to “play the game”. His background, recent scandal with the land plots for rich families is what we should know.

Just to remind you of an important fact which here is avoid by fans and supporters of the yellow shirts or Government.

It is my opinion that foreigners should stay away of all of this, especially as nothing has not been completed but something I have to remind all of us here.

In time of PAD rallies Mr. Samak and Mr. Somchai was PMs. Mr. Somchai very short time but both of them as Prime Minister could use force to stop the PAD rallies. Police were unconditionally loyal to both of them. Why they didn’t use the Police force harder? Why Mr. Somchai resigned? Why he didn’t order to the Police forces or invited Army from South or anywhere else so to order them to use weapons to disperse PAD.

He (they) could not? I will tell you: they didn’t WANT to.

When you are commenting recent bloodshed have this fact on your mind. Any time you accuse red shirts ask yourself who opened fire as first? Who provoked clash and firing? Ask yourself what other color of shirt was shadowy involved in all of this.

THAT color is real danger, not the red or yellow shirts.

Think of why the report of forensics was given just about four people who were killed in the temple, Report said (MP Mr. Abhisit said so) that the shots were fired at them from the ground plane and for the other two there was no report. What happened to them if they were not killed from the ground? Think about so many things what happened out of logic and explaination were more out of logic, before you give any comment here.

Excellent, excellent, excellent !!!!

Thank you.

Much food for thought in your post and I hope that some people can read between your lines a little bit.

Like most things in Thailand, what one sees is not quite what it is.

Philw

[ThaksinKharma]

I looked for a news item in this forum on the recent arrest of one of Sae Dang's top henchmen; Sawasdipol. Didn't find.

The guy started admitting a bunch of aggressions (bombings, shootings, etc,) in the name of the Reds. But a day later, he's saying he needs time to think things over - realizing he admitted too much. He must have had a visit by a lawyer (maybe one of Thaksin's), who told him to 'shut up' - and told Sawasdipol he doesn't need to spill so many beans, just because he's in custody.

Initially, the guy admitted a whole range of transgressions while he was allied with Thaksin's Red Protectors - a.k.a. Ninjas, or 'men in black' or 'mystery shooters.' The guy was caught in a police sting operation, trying to sell a bunch of weapons and ammo. He's also implicated in beating up family members. It's a big story for Thailand and goes a long way to destroying the myth that the Reds didn't have an integrated faction who's assignment was to clandestinely harm people and property.

I, for one, hope the authorities stick it to the guy, and get him to sing long and loud, about every nefarious incident he knows about. He's going to implicate a lot of people in some serious crimes. Big points for Abhisit's government, while the Reds lose big time! Sawisdipol is the key to shooting down the many big lies perpetrated by Thaksin and the Red leaders - and he's the key to getting some of the heavies put behind bars for a long time.

Excellent post and it highlights that the "shadowy group" stepenwolf refers to are really just a faction of the reds, the Sae Daeng gang.

This assassin, bomber, sniper of the reds could really prove to be their undoing as he's putting a lot of information about them into the public record.

[pedro01]

Before I say anything I would like to remind all of us about big loss for Thai people. Mr. Somkiet who recently passed away was the founder of Midnight University at the University of Chiang Mai.

It was the man who led the organization of self-similar people, the intellectual elite of this country, whose voice in these times is very necessary.

For those foreigners who do not know Midnight University was the voice of healthy sense in this country.

Several times some people tried to stop its work. Someone who didn't want any voice of different thoughts be heard here also tried stop the website, with accusations that unfortunately we hear today so often against the protestors. Mr. Somkiet successfully defended the work of the Midnight University.

They still work today.

Mr. Somkiet successfully predicted all these events with the red shirt protest in his statements about the roots of long term and deep division of Thai society at the time the PAD protest events.

I remember his every single word about what will be in Bangkok if oligarchy and fast money makers don’t find the way to sit and talk. He pointed just 2 groups of influent and powerful people, layers of Thai society which must to find some way to talk before is too late for the country and people.

Those words he said in Chiang Mai popular magazine. He told there it’s not just about color of the shirt. He said those protesters are just used and manipulated by people who are not visible in public.

He is gone about colon cancer and his death is great loss for Thais.

RIP

His death made me to say this.

Absolutely I'm not interested in either red or yellow shirts and that I would advise to all other foreigners who “belong” to one or the other side.

Quite painful is to read some comments here, from people who don’t know many things but commenting like pseudo “specialists” and emotionally taking one side or the other.

This refers to idolater of PAD - yellow shirts and the current government who are showing just absolute antagonism toward the red shirts and Mr.Thaksin.

I have no reason to support Mr.Thaksin, but more then sure is that I have no any reason to say anything good for what the government has done to the people in red shirts and still doing.

But some things are unavoidable and must be said.

Daily statements of this government tell us what is behind of all. Especially statements of its individual members (Mr. Suthep and spokesman of Democrats) are a proof and show the extent of hatred and fear is present among all of them.

Fear of Mr.Thaksin as political opponent and the red shirt as political possible power.

The way the government dispersed and treated the protesters before the attacks, talking about how well the whole situation was calculated on the reaction of same red shirt mass. Obviously there was a very insidious plan. Red shirts are overplayed because they have done and reacted just as it was needed so now Mr. Suthep can call them terrorists and destroying reds as political opponent can continue.

The government has provoked the protesters by cutting the supply lines of the protesters with water and food and that was the beginning of chaos.

Everything that happened later was the principle of domino effect.

Everything that happened later was expected and it is my opinion that the reactions were also planned by the government but only individual members. I think Mr.Abhisit was not the part of obvious plan with tragic consequences. Simply, he is a young, highly educated man who has long lived in Britain so for me is incomprehensible that he could be part of this vicious game against the red shirts. He just was not someone who has everything organized and monitored, but only someone who served over the situation in the formal approval. It is likely that he sees in his ruling coalition has those who have it all organized and almost behind his back but he is under attacks now. It is my assumption that he knows that so he is just waiting for the moment to get rid of those few around him.

To remind all of us Mr. Suthep was in charge for dispersal of red shirt. Mr. Suthep studied Politic Science so he knows very well how to “play the game”. His background, recent scandal with the land plots for rich families is what we should know.

Just to remind you of an important fact which here is avoid by fans and supporters of the yellow shirts or Government.

It is my opinion that foreigners should stay away of all of this, especially as nothing has not been completed but something I have to remind all of us here.

In time of PAD rallies Mr. Samak and Mr. Somchai was PMs. Mr. Somchai very short time but both of them as Prime Minister could use force to stop the PAD rallies. Police were unconditionally loyal to both of them. Why they didn’t use the Police force harder? Why Mr. Somchai resigned? Why he didn’t order to the Police forces or invited Army from South or anywhere else so to order them to use weapons to disperse PAD.

He (they) could not? I will tell you: they didn’t WANT to.

When you are commenting recent bloodshed have this fact on your mind. Any time you accuse red shirts ask yourself who opened fire as first? Who provoked clash and firing? Ask yourself what other color of shirt was shadowy involved in all of this.

THAT color is real danger, not the red or yellow shirts.

Think of why the report of forensics was given just about four people who were killed in the temple, Report said (MP Mr. Abhisit said so) that the shots were fired at them from the ground plane and for the other two there was no report. What happened to them if they were not killed from the ground? Think about so many things what happened out of logic and explaination were more out of logic, before you give any comment here.

Excellent, excellent, excellent !!!!

Thank you.

Much food for thought in your post and I hope that some people can read between your lines a little bit.

Like most things in Thailand, what one sees is not quite what it is.

Philw

It's lengthy - but just as biased as those who he denigrates. To read between the lines of this lengthy post, I can clearly see the bias towards one side.

"The government has provoked the protesters by cutting the supply lines of the protesters with water and food and that was the beginning of chaos.

Everything that happened later was the principle of domino effect."

Anyone that believes this is a fool.

It is my opinion that stepenwolf should stay away from all this. There is no question on which side he falls and to say he's unbiased and then publish a red puff-piece is ridiculous.

Edited July 18, 2010 by pedro01

[philw]

Excellent, excellent, excellent !!!!

Thank you.

Much food for thought in your post and I hope that some people can read between your lines a little bit.

Like most things in Thailand, what one sees is not quite what it is.

Philw

It's lengthy - but just as biased as those who he denigrates. To read between the lines of this lengthy post, I can clearly see the bias towards one side.

"The government has provoked the protesters by cutting the supply lines of the protesters with water and food and that was the beginning of chaos.

Everything that happened later was the principle of domino effect."

Anyone that believes this is a fool.

It is my opinion that stepenwolf should stay away from all this. There is no question on which side he falls and to say he's unbiased and then publish a red puff-piece is ridiculous.

Seems fair comment to me.

Maybe i am the same sort of fool as Marty Feldman.

philw