Thai Sex-Case Musician Mikhail Pletnev Gets Bail

[tartempion]

Asking the Hang-Him-High brigade to wait July 19th news is too much to ask I guess

Interfax and other Russian media reported that Pletnev planned to return to Thailand to report to the court on July 18. He is scheduled to conduct in Ohrid, Macedonia, on July 12 and his next planned appearance is in August.

[orosee]

Guilt has not been established yet, but what would I do (assuming I'd be innocent) in this case?

A little bit of risk management (think Russian Roulette - the odds are 1 in 6 that a shot is fired, but 100% that you're dead in that case):

Worst case, I get convicted but plead my innocence, so I get 20 years in a Thai prison, with some chance of a royal pardon after some years or a transfer to fulfill the sentence in my home country.

Bad case, I get convicted after I (falsely) plead guilty and get my sentence halved, so 10 years in a Thai prison and the rest as above.

In both cases, there's a chance that I will still lose my money and property, by confiscation or other means. Also, there's a chance I might be retried after my return home on thee same charges.

My name will be tainted forever.

Now the alternative:

I do not return, forfeit the (small) bail and wait for a trial in absentia, maybe represented only by my lawyer if that is possible, and wait for the verdict.

Worst case, if found guilty, possibly (but not necessarily) forfeit my properties (they may be in another person's name who could recover some of my investments), will probably not be extradited to Thailand (better check that beforehand), may be tried in my home country with (another assumption) a better chance of justice.

If found innocent, no harm done except that the bail money is probably gone.

So all in all, even if 100% innocent, I would not return unless there was a high risk of extradition (I might have to do a Polansky on that one then).

[Patron]

Maybe he thinks tulips on his organ are better than roses on his piano.<IMG class=bbc_emoticon alt= src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sorry.gif">

[fm2002]

To further my thought:

Let's put aside a moment guilt and innocence and take a look at what he has facing him going forward. I bet that the police, judge and his own lawyer are in the process of identifying his assets and there worth. They will than strike a deal of how they can get the most from these assets. If the case is strong against him the process will not last that long and in addition of lost assets he will go to jail. If the case is weak or non existent the case will be dragged out for a long time until such time they feel they have got all they can out of him. The only thing I can see saving him and his name is if the Russian Embassy determines through their own investigation that he is innocent and puts serious preasure on the upper levels of the Thai government.

If I were him guilty or innocent I would be liquidating my assets and never coming back !

[Thai at Heart]

The way the system is set up, it is patently the BEST way to pay and run.

The presumption of innocence until guilty is almost impossible to retain if the press spread one's face all over the place. The presumption that paying your way out of it always being a possibility, opens the system up to massive potential corruption. We all know that the reports should he be found not guilty are never going to be publicised as widely so the stigma will be retained forever.

It would be interesting to know, if found not guilty does the person who is accused have recourse under the libel laws in Thailand? Someone has accused one of wrongdoing and if found not guilty and massive damage is done to one's reputation shouldn't there be damages of some sort? The mere fact that this arrest has been carried out on "anecdotal" evidence of someone who has been arrested and is accused of running a prostitution ring, doesn't exactly provide a strong chance that he is singing to save his own ass.

I am getting tired of seeing the crimminal justice system completely tying itself in knots, and repeatedly not reaching decisions that cannot be openly questioned to remove the appearance of extortion, expediency and publicity searching.

Of course paedophilia is a terrible crime, but running around using the court of public opinion to back up your case, and then releasing people to leave the country doesn't do Thailand any favours in the eyes of the world.

Edited July 9, 2010 by Thai at Heart

[Wozzit]

The way the system is set up, it is patently the BEST way to pay and run.

The presumption of innocence until guilty is almost impossible to retain if the press spread one's face all over the place. The presumption that paying your way out of it always being a possibility, opens the system up to massive potential corruption. We all know that the reports should he be found not guilty are never going to be publicised as widely so the stigma will be retained forever.

It would be interesting to know, if found not guilty does the person who is accused have recourse under the libel laws in Thailand? Someone has accused one of wrongdoing and if found not guilty and massive damage is done to one's reputation shouldn't there be damages of some sort? The mere fact that this arrest has been carried out on "anecdotal" evidence of someone who has been arrested and is accused of running a prostitution ring, doesn't exactly provide a strong chance that he is singing to save his own ass.

I am getting tired of seeing the crimminal justice system completely tying itself in knots, and repeatedly not reaching decisions that cannot be openly questioned to remove the appearance of extortion, expediency and publicity searching.

Of course paedophilia is a terrible crime, but running around using the court of public opinion to back up your case, and then releasing people to leave the country doesn't do Thailand any favours in the eyes of the world.

Thank you Thai at Heart for one of the most sensible posts I have seen anywhere about this case. Assuming he is not guilty, even though he is acquitted or the case is dropped, you are so right. The 'PR' value to him is minimal compared to what we have been seeing worldwide over the last few days. So his reputation and his career is destroyed - at least in medium term. This man is one of the top classical artists in the world. His annual earnings would normally be in the millions of dollars. So who compensates him for such massive losses? His 15 year old accuser? The alleged pimp? The Thai legal system or the NGO which brought the media into the case at the first round of questioning? No way.

And you are so right about the misuse of the media. I suppose the NGO, the police and Pattaya officials must have initially rubbed their hands in glee at catching a 'big' name. But all the PR has achieved, apart from blackening Pletnev's name, is to massively reinforce the fact that Thailand is a haven for paedophiles! It has completely backfired on the country, as I see it. This case would have been far better handled sensitively and privately until justice was seen to have been served. But of course, that's not the Thai way!

As to not returning and just letting the officials seize his assets here, I really don't see that as an option for him. I believe Thailand would then ask Interpol's help, he'd go on a paedophile blacklist, not be able to travel anywhere, and be open to extradition proceedings. He's got to return.

A friend sent me this YouTube of Pletnev playing part of the Rachmaninov Paganini Variations with the Berlin Philharmonic - the famous 'bit'. I post it merely for interest. I have no more clue about innocence or guilt than anyone else - but I have my suspicions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90MuPqYtV_k&feature=related

[bacchanal]

The subject in this other thread has also just now been released on bail:

Thailand Charges 90 Year-Old Australian With Sexually Assaulting Four Sisters

Alleged 90yo paedophile bailed

ABC - 22 minutes ago

An elderly West Australian man facing child sex charges in Thailand has been released on bail.

Joseph Karl Kraus, 90, was arrested on suspicion of illegally detaining and raping four sisters aged between seven and 14 after the girls' father made a complaint.

He was formally charged last week. Kraus is required to report to the Chang Mai court every 12 days.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/australian-news/7558820/alleged-90-year-old-paedophile-bailed/

[webfact]

I learnt of charges from internet : accused Russian pianist

By The Voice of Russia

Itar-Tass

Renowned pianist and conductor Mikhail Pletnev, accused of child sex abuse in Thailand, is leaving on a tour of Europe and the United States. Next Monday he is due to open a festival on the shores of a lake in Ohrid, Macedonia.

Pletnev, a Grammy Winner, has been charged on Tuesday before being freed on bail. The Court allowed him to leave the country but ordered him to be back on July 18 for further investigation.

Pletnev left Thailand on Thursday for Moscow. He told a news conference in Moscow that he had committed no atrocities and would defend his honour.

Pletnev, the Russian National Orchestra Conductor, said he learned of charges made against him in Thailand from the internet.

"I will tell you how things really were," Pletnev said. "I was vacationing in Thailand which I visit often. It is a wonderful country."

The musician said he had been dining in a bar when policemen approached him and suggested the ride to his house. "They inspected the house, found nothing, and then they escorted me to a police station and set me free afterwards," he said.

"I have not yet received an official notification of the charges proffered against me," Pletnev sald. He said the next day he was amazed to read in the internet that he was accused of involvement in organizing a children prostitution ring.

"I was even more amazed on reading in the internet that discs with peculiar contents had been confiscated from me. There was no such thing," he said.

"So I finally decided to engage in my usual occupations - music, art," he said. He also sail he had never had an incident of this kind either in Thailand or in any other country. "There was no such thing, ever," he said. "I don't know what other provocations are in store for me, but I will resist. Time will show," Pletnev said.

Pletnev is to leave Russia on Friday, July 9, to go with his orchestra on a tour abroad, beginning in Macedonia on July 12. According to the stipulated procedure, he must be back in Pattaya by July 18.

Thailand's court permitted Pletnev to leave the country for some time, despite being charged with child molesting.

-- The Nation 2010-07-09

[Humphrey Bear]

This guy's either extremely innocent (in every sense of the word) or guilty of some under-age sex.

He apparently allowed (or encouraged) the Thai organiser of the child-sex ring to occupy his houses when he was absnt. Good to have a house-sitter, but why this particular guy? I'd never have a stranger as a house-sitter.

He apparently owns a restaurant in Thailand. Well, that means he has 49%. Who has the rest?

There are photos (normal photos) of him with the complainant. How did they know each other?

As I say - this guy is either an innocent abroad, or a pederast. No in-between on this.

[animatic]

This guy's either extremely innocent (in every sense of the word) or guilty of some under-age sex.

He apparently allowed (or encouraged) the Thai organiser of the child-sex ring to occupy his houses when he was absnt. Good to have a house-sitter, but why this particular guy? I'd never have a stranger as a house-sitter.

He apparently owns a restaurant in Thailand. Well, that means he has 49%. Who has the rest?

There are photos (normal photos) of him with the complainant. How did they know each other?

As I say - this guy is either an innocent abroad, or a pederast. No in-between on this.

Or he obviously, is gay, clearly has money, and is a target...

That is an in between.

Edited July 9, 2010 by animatic

[moetownblues]

Consider him GONE.

Next stop, Cambodia.

Yep he definately won't be back that is for sure.

[Wozzit]

Consider him GONE. Next stop, Cambodia.

Yep he definately won't be back that is for sure.

Having made that positive statement, will you also contribute Bt. 3,000 to charity if he does in fact return (see the earlier posts at 2010-07-08 22:47)

Edited July 10, 2010 by Wozzit

[chantorn]

This guy's either extremely innocent (in every sense of the word) or guilty of some under-age sex.

He apparently allowed (or encouraged) the Thai organiser of the child-sex ring to occupy his houses when he was absnt. Good to have a house-sitter, but why this particular guy? I'd never have a stranger as a house-sitter.

He apparently owns a restaurant in Thailand. Well, that means he has 49%. Who has the rest?

There are photos (normal photos) of him with the complainant. How did they know each other?

As I say - this guy is either an innocent abroad, or a pederast. No in-between on this.

Or he obviously, is gay, clearly has money, and is a target...

That is an in between.

Under age sec is illegal. Have money or not. Willng or not. Does not matter.

This guy needs to be in jail for the rest of his life.

[chantorn]

I learnt of charges from internet : accused Russian pianist

By The Voice of Russia

Itar-Tass

Renowned pianist and conductor Mikhail Pletnev, accused of child sex abuse in Thailand, is leaving on a tour of Europe and the United States. Next Monday he is due to open a festival on the shores of a lake in Ohrid, Macedonia.

Pletnev, a Grammy Winner, has been charged on Tuesday before being freed on bail. The Court allowed him to leave the country but ordered him to be back on July 18 for further investigation.

Pletnev left Thailand on Thursday for Moscow. He told a news conference in Moscow that he had committed no atrocities and would defend his honour.

Pletnev, the Russian National Orchestra Conductor, said he learned of charges made against him in Thailand from the internet.

"I will tell you how things really were," Pletnev said. "I was vacationing in Thailand which I visit often. It is a wonderful country."

The musician said he had been dining in a bar when policemen approached him and suggested the ride to his house. "They inspected the house, found nothing, and then they escorted me to a police station and set me free afterwards," he said.

"I have not yet received an official notification of the charges proffered against me," Pletnev sald. He said the next day he was amazed to read in the internet that he was accused of involvement in organizing a children prostitution ring.

"I was even more amazed on reading in the internet that discs with peculiar contents had been confiscated from me. There was no such thing," he said.

"So I finally decided to engage in my usual occupations - music, art," he said. He also sail he had never had an incident of this kind either in Thailand or in any other country. "There was no such thing, ever," he said. "I don't know what other provocations are in store for me, but I will resist. Time will show," Pletnev said.

Pletnev is to leave Russia on Friday, July 9, to go with his orchestra on a tour abroad, beginning in Macedonia on July 12. According to the stipulated procedure, he must be back in Pattaya by July 18.

Thailand's court permitted Pletnev to leave the country for some time, despite being charged with child molesting.

-- The Nation 2010-07-09

According to the stipulated procedure, he must be back in Pattaya by July 18.

I bet you 100 to 1 that he will NOT be back.

[nikster]

Euro 7,300 has secured his release. I'll bet in blocks of Euro 7,300 he will never return - any takers????

I won't bet you money because that would be illegal in Thailand, but I think he will be back to clear his name. It looks like the Thai Pimp is the culprit in an old and very obvious boys-in-brown-mail scam. Will he be smart enough to out maneuver them? or does he indeed know what game is really underway? He's been here for 15 years but only on holidays I guess, so perhaps he might have taken the bait hook line and sinker? One thing is for sure is that there are some nasty individuals trying to extract a lot of money from him and no doubt already have.

Even if I was innocent I would maybe not want to return to Thailand to face these charges. Law and order count for nothing in this country, and the police is worthless - what kind of justice could I expect? On the other hand is the possibility of facing 20 years in the BKK Hilton.

In addition, he's Russian. Russia does not extradite its citizens to anyone, for any reason. Law and order is also non-existent there so he won't, for example, face charges there.

Guilty or innocent, he won't be back.

So I agree with the poster above - the guy is very well connected and they let him get away . It's surprising because you would think Thailand has a lot riding on a reputation of being tough on child abuse.

Shame on all those involved - I hope the bad Karma catches up with them.

Edited July 10, 2010 by nikster

[Jingthing]

Not returning does not necessarily mean he is guilty, though of course he may be. Read between the lines about what I am implying about the police/justice system here; 'nuff said.

[Wozzit]

<br>

<br><font size="5"><b>I learnt of charges from internet : accused Russian pianist</b></font><br>By The Voice of Russia<br>Itar-Tass<br><br>Renowned pianist and conductor Mikhail Pletnev, accused of child sex abuse in Thailand, is leaving on a tour of Europe and the United States. Next Monday he is due to open a festival on the shores of a lake in Ohrid, Macedonia.<br><br>Pletnev, a Grammy Winner, has been charged on Tuesday before being freed on bail. The Court allowed him to leave the country but ordered him to be back on July 18 for further investigation.<br><br>Pletnev left Thailand on Thursday for Moscow. He told a news conference in Moscow that he had committed no atrocities and would defend his honour.   <br><br>Pletnev, the Russian National Orchestra Conductor, said he learned of charges made against him in Thailand from the internet.<br><br>"I will tell you how things really were," Pletnev said. "I was vacationing in Thailand which I visit often. It is a wonderful country."<br><br>The musician said he had been dining in a bar when policemen approached him and suggested the ride to his house. "They inspected the house, found nothing, and then they escorted me to a police station and set me free afterwards," he said.<br><br>"I have not yet received an official notification of the charges proffered against me," Pletnev sald. He said the next day he was amazed to read in the internet that he was accused of involvement in organizing a children prostitution ring.<br><br>"I was even more amazed on reading in the internet that discs with peculiar contents had been confiscated from me. There was no such thing," he said.<br><br>"So I finally decided to engage in my usual occupations - music, art," he said. He also sail he had never had an incident of this kind either in Thailand or in any other country. "There was no such thing, ever," he said. "I don't know what other provocations are in store for me, but I will resist. Time will show," Pletnev said.<br><br>Pletnev is to leave Russia on Friday, July 9, to go with his orchestra on a tour abroad, beginning in Macedonia on July 12. According to the stipulated procedure, he must be back in Pattaya by July 18.<br><br>Thailand's court permitted Pletnev to leave the country for some time, despite being charged with child molesting.<br><br>

-- The Nation 2010-07-09<br>

<br><br><i><b>According to the stipulated procedure, he must be back in Pattaya by July 18. I bet you 100 to 1 that he will NOT be back.

I'll accept your bet. I'll pay Bt. 100 to a charity of YOUR choosing if he does NOT return. You pay Bt. 10,000 to a charity of MY choosing if he DOES return. You made the offer. Now back up your words with action. OK?

Edited July 10, 2010 by Wozzit

[Wozzit]

Euro 7,300 has secured his release. I'll bet in blocks of Euro 7,300 he will never return - any takers????

I won't bet you money because that would be illegal in Thailand, but I think he will be back to clear his name. It looks like the Thai Pimp is the culprit in an old and very obvious boys-in-brown-mail scam. Will he be smart enough to out maneuver them? or does he indeed know what game is really underway? He's been here for 15 years but only on holidays I guess, so perhaps he might have taken the bait hook line and sinker? One thing is for sure is that there are some nasty individuals trying to extract a lot of money from him and no doubt already have.

Even if I was innocent I would maybe not want to return to Thailand to face these charges. Law and order count for nothing in this country, and the police is worthless - what kind of justice could I expect? On the other hand is the possibility of facing 20 years in the BKK Hilton.

In addition, he's Russian. Russia does not extradite its citizens to anyone, for any reason. Law and order is also non-existent there so he won't, for example, face charges there.

Guilty or innocent, he won't be back.

So I agree with the poster above - the guy is very well connected and they let him get away . It's surprising because you would think Thailand has a lot riding on a reputation of being tough on child abuse.

Shame on all those involved - I hope the bad Karma catches up with them.

OK, Since you are so sure, I'll make the same offer to you. If he returns, You put Bt. 3,000 in a charty of MY choosing. If he does NOT return, I'll put a similar amount in a charity of YOUR choosing. Put your money where your mouth is, or don't make such positive comments.

[Wozzit]

This guy's either extremely innocent (in every sense of the word) or guilty of some under-age sex.

He apparently allowed (or encouraged) the Thai organiser of the child-sex ring to occupy his houses when he was absnt. Good to have a house-sitter, but why this particular guy? I'd never have a stranger as a house-sitter.

He apparently owns a restaurant in Thailand. Well, that means he has 49%. Who has the rest?

There are photos (normal photos) of him with the complainant. How did they know each other?

As I say - this guy is either an innocent abroad, or a pederast. No in-between on this.

Or he obviously, is gay, clearly has money, and is a target...

That is an in between.

Under age sec is illegal. Have money or not. Willng or not. Does not matter.

This guy needs to be in jail for the rest of his life.

So you have seen all the evidence and you know for a fact that he is guilty? Funny, I thought the Courts decided these things. You are one of those who are helping to destroy a man's reputation and his career. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to pre-judge the case. What will you do if he is found innocent? And PLEASE do not post that he will have bribed his way out of the system! That's just a cop out. If he is proved innocent or the case is withdrawn for lack of evidence, wIll you apologise to him personally? Will you contribute to the the costs of his legal defense and his loss of earnings? Because, make no mistake about it, if Mr Pletnev is found innocent, his career is badly damaged simply because he has already been convicted in the court of world opinion.

Underage sex is not just illegal; it is a horrible crime. But my opinion - merely an opinion - is that this man has been set-up. I therefore give him the benefit of the doubt until proved otherwise.

Edited July 10, 2010 by Wozzit

[tingtongfarang]

This guy's either extremely innocent (in every sense of the word) or guilty of some under-age sex.

He apparently allowed (or encouraged) the Thai organiser of the child-sex ring to occupy his houses when he was absnt. Good to have a house-sitter, but why this particular guy? I'd never have a stranger as a house-sitter.

He apparently owns a restaurant in Thailand. Well, that means he has 49%. Who has the rest?

There are photos (normal photos) of him with the complainant. How did they know each other?

As I say - this guy is either an innocent abroad, or a pederast. No in-between on this.

Or he obviously, is gay, clearly has money, and is a target...

That is an in between.

Under age sec is illegal. Have money or not. Willng or not. Does not matter.

This guy needs to be in jail for the rest of his life.

This is exactly the mindset that give people reason to have so little faith in both the (police-courts) and the justice system in thailand, Are you so nieve not to understand that being gay and wealthy makes him an obvious target? greed knows no boundarys here,

I sincerly hope that if innocent he returns to prove himself so and at the moment he should be considered innocent until proven guilty!

Chantorn is this a homophobic point of view?

Edited July 10, 2010 by tingtongfarang

[Jingthing]

I am guessing he is rich enough to walk away from his Thailand assets. Given that, wouldn't it be kind of irrational to come back now that they let him fly out, guilty or not? About his rep at home, he can always say he was framed in a third world backwater and there will always be doubt (and many will give him the benefit of the doubt). If he comes back, he basically is risking his life for reputation, literally really. I also wonder if he already made a deal for his assets, if you get my drift. I doubt we will ever know the truth about this case.

Edited July 10, 2010 by Jingthing

[khaowong1]

Pletnev and Thaksin will probably arrive on the same airflight.

[Wozzit]

I am guessing he is rich enough to walk away from his Thailand assets. Given that, wouldn't it be kind of irrational to come back now that they let him fly out, guilty or not? About his rep at home, he can always say he was framed in a third world backwater and there will always be doubt (and many will give him the benefit of the doubt). If he comes back, he basically is risking his life for reputation, literally really. I also wonder if he already made a deal for his assets, if you get my drift. I doubt we will ever know the truth about this case.

I hope we do find out the truth. If nothing else, it seems to be a fascinating tale. I am sure you are correct. Mr Pletnev's assets here will be a tiny fraction of his assets outside Thailand. But for someone in his profession, all he really has in life are his career and reputation. The music business is a global one. Concert promoters, orchestras and other likely to engage him are all beholden to subscribers, other ticket buyers, boards of directors, donors, patrons etc. These are just basically ordinary people. Pin a pedophile badge on musician without his being proved totally innocent and - boom! Career is dead. He is unlikely ever to work again.

[Jingthing]

I don't know if this will actually ruin his career. Isn't he a friend of Putin? I recall reading that anyway. All he has to say is it was a big misunderstanding and he couldn't trust a corrupt third world legal system. The news reports didn't really show any damning proof, so there is a chance they didn't have any to begin with.

Hey, I admit I am just speculating here. What else is possible when we are not privy to the real details? In any case, another possible scenario is that this quick flight was a result of some kind of high level diplomatic deal. The accused may have been too big a fish to go down for the Russian powers to tolerate, so my theory goes, maybe they pulled some strings to get this solved. The whole way it went down came off as fishier than "normal" for a Pattaya case, and that's saying something. Maybe even related to the importance of Russian tourism and all the Russian money coming into Pattaya and Thailand. A very famous Russian artist in a hellhole Thai jail wouldn't be very good PR back in Russkieland.

Edited July 10, 2010 by Jingthing

[Wozzit]

I don't know if this will actually ruin his career. Isn't he a friend of Putin? I recall reading that anyway. All he has to say is it was a big misunderstanding and he couldn't trust a corrupt third world legal system. The news reports didn't really show any damning proof, so there is a chance they didn't have any to begin with.

Hey, I admit I am just speculating here. What else is possible when we are not privy to the real details? In any case, another possible scenario is that this quick flight was a result of some kind of high level diplomatic deal. The accused may have been too big a fish to go down for the Russian powers to tolerate, so my theory goes, maybe they pulled some strings to get this solved. The whole way it went down came off as fishier than "normal" for a Pattaya case, and that's saying something. Maybe even related to the importance of Russian tourism and all the Russian money coming into Pattaya and Thailand. A very famous Russian artist in a hellhole Thai jail wouldn't be very good PR back in Russkieland.

Interesting theories. I agree the quick exit from the country was highly unusual. So perhaps diplomatic sources were involved. But if he had diplomatic help, I cannot see how he can not return as promised, if only because this will involve the Russian diplomatic service in some sort of miscarriage of justice. Now, if all the charges are dropped before he is due to return, then that would be a very different kettle of 'fish' and lend far more weight to the diplomatic intervention theory, in my view.

As to his career, all I can tell you is that a friend in the classical music business has told me that he is 'dead' unless he is found innocent or the case dismissed. He tells me that there is apparently another major conductor about whom there have been strong rumours of similar offences for many years. That one gets away with it (if 'it' does indeed happen) because nothing has ever been published and nothing has gone near a court. Unfortunately Pletnev now fails on both counts.

[Jingthing]

Well I guess we will see what happens next. Will he return? Will the charges mysteriously be dropped. Stay tuned if you like a Russian/Thai soap opera.

[Wozzit]

Pletnev and Thaksin will probably arrive on the same airflight.

Seems like Pletnev and his orchestra have now arrived for a music festvial somewhere near Montenegro. At least they can say hello to each other

[Rucharee]

Pletnev and Thaksin will probably arrive on the same airflight.

Seems like Pletnev and his orchestra have now arrived for a music festvial somewhere near Montenegro. At least they can say hello to each other

Now Pletnev needs to get a diplomatic passport from Montenegro too.

[Tokay]

3 pages on this scum of the earth. 10 pages on Jeff Savage.

At least we all have our priorities straight.

[Chopper]

3 pages on this scum of the earth. 10 pages on Jeff Savage.

At least we all have our priorities straight.

Mike, (Mikhail) is also a qualified Pilot based at Nongprue airfield where I fly from and thus a friend of mine and the local aviation community.

We are all shocked by the allegations.

Can we please delete this type of comment above. Innocent until proven guilty in my book.