Karate

[corkman]

Hi All,

Does anyone know of any farang suitable dojo's in Bkk - preferably with a farang instructure, or at least an instructure with really good english etc.

Cheers,

CM

[AAACEEE]

try muay-thai or BJJ.. enough of that in bkk and 10 times better

why spend allot of time on a martial art wich is easily overpowerd by other martial arts.. seems like a waste of time 2 me

like taking a windows 98 course when there is windows vista course

[TheLaughingMan]

try muay-thai or BJJ.. enough of that in bkk and 10 times better

why spend allot of time on a martial art wich is easily overpowerd by other martial arts.. seems like a waste of time 2 me

like taking a windows 98 course when there is windows vista course

You havent even the slightest clue what you are talking about. Research kyokushin karate since this is a karate thread, I trained muay thai for years and fought in the ring, none of it compared to simple training sessions in kyokushin where we stand there and hit eachother as hard as we can bare knuckle. Toughest man wins. And then fighting at tournaments? If you are winning try fighting 10 guys one after the other with no protective gear whatsoever (except a cup) all full contact and pushing through the numerous injuries you have already sustained in the previous fights, makes muay thai look like a pussys sport.

[Travel2003]

try muay-thai or BJJ.. enough of that in bkk and 10 times better

why spend allot of time on a martial art wich is easily overpowerd by other martial arts.. seems like a waste of time 2 me

like taking a windows 98 course when there is windows vista course

I never trained any martial art.

But Im sure people do not always choose the different forms based upon who they can overpower.

Look at the K1 competition. The competitors come from a range of martial art forms.

None stick out as the best form.

I can train MT for 6 months, but still have my ass kicked by someone trained boxing for 3 months.

Very individual isnt it?

[corkman]

try muay-thai or BJJ.. enough of that in bkk and 10 times better

why spend allot of time on a martial art wich is easily overpowerd by other martial arts.. seems like a waste of time 2 me

like taking a windows 98 course when there is windows vista course

I think you've watched too many bruce less and chuck noris movies..... bet you had lots of jean claude van dam posteres when you were a kid? Big blood sport fan manybe?

If you think that by doing a couple of hours a week muay thai training, that you are going to "over power" a street wise thug thai man (or a pissed up football hooligan Brit tourist for that matter), then I am afraid you are very much mistaken. Martial art or no martial art - it is not the training, but the man which will determine the outcome of a power struggle, and the false security obtained from thinking your tough in the ring will probably do more harm than good. Have you ever seen a couple of yaba and sangsong fueled thai's going at it...... I'd rather try it on with a rotwieler to be honest.....

If on the other hand you have spent decades devoted to any martial art, or things like boxing etc., then I am sure you will be a formidable oponent for anyone. I spent alot of time training as a youth and young man, and I was quite good (an accomplished) but if I came against anyone in the street I'm afraid is a fist of loose coins in the face as a distraction, followed by a head butt to the nose or a high elbo aimed to the ear...... which is much more effective than any b.s. you'll learn in a dojo...... if its tough you want to be then martial arts is not for you......

For me, martial arts is about the persuit of spirituality and culture - the traditions and discipline that has resulted in the martial art, and the path of enlightenment and self respect earned in the process. I would imagine that when properly trained in any martial art, it is the same as karate, in that it is excellent for physical fitness - increasing your sence of balance and spatial awareness, as well as training every muscle in your body and letting your entire body more supple and toned.

So - my question please gents - are there any good karate dojo's in Bangkok?

[TenDreams]

You could have a look at Sakura Dojo, Sukumvhit 33/1 (in the World Video Bldg) 4th Floor...

I have no idea about the style/instruction or schedule though.

[AAACEEE]

try muay-thai or BJJ.. enough of that in bkk and 10 times better

why spend allot of time on a martial art wich is easily overpowerd by other martial arts.. seems like a waste of time 2 me

like taking a windows 98 course when there is windows vista course

You havent even the slightest clue what you are talking about. Research kyokushin karate since this is a karate thread, I trained muay thai for years and fought in the ring, none of it compared to simple training sessions in kyokushin where we stand there and hit eachother as hard as we can bare knuckle. Toughest man wins. And then fighting at tournaments? If you are winning try fighting 10 guys one after the other with no protective gear whatsoever (except a cup) all full contact and pushing through the numerous injuries you have already sustained in the previous fights, makes muay thai look like a pussys sport.

think u dont have the slightest idea what ur talking about

in my eyes you are naive if u think that a combination of BJJ/wrestling and muay-thai isn't the best martial art...by that i mean the most effective in the ring... in my eyes PRIDE proved this a long time ago... all those number one karate guys get their asses whooped by guys like wanderlei silva, mirco crocop etc etc.. now if u are a fan of karate or tekwandeau or whatever well go ahead...

If i do a martial art i want to be the toughest (BTW its got nothing to do with streetfighting like that corky-man said)

you probably will never get that far but still martial arts is a competitive sport... and u wanna get tough

now if i spend 15 years to get a black belt karate and u put me in the ring (mma rules wich is the ultimate test) with a black belt BJJ artist or a class A muay thai fighter i will 80% of the time get whiped of the mat

well IMO i've wasted my time im sorry thats just the way i look at it... and allot off mayor martial arts specialist will agree with me..

my 2 cents

[ajarnpot]

try muay-thai or BJJ.. enough of that in bkk and 10 times better

why spend allot of time on a martial art wich is easily overpowerd by other martial arts.. seems like a waste of time 2 me

like taking a windows 98 course when there is windows vista course

You havent even the slightest clue what you are talking about. Research kyokushin karate since this is a karate thread, I trained muay thai for years and fought in the ring, none of it compared to simple training sessions in kyokushin where we stand there and hit eachother as hard as we can bare knuckle. Toughest man wins. And then fighting at tournaments? If you are winning try fighting 10 guys one after the other with no protective gear whatsoever (except a cup) all full contact and pushing through the numerous injuries you have already sustained in the previous fights, makes muay thai look like a pussys sport.

lol

toughest man wins unless of course they get knocked out by an elbow muay thai or someone takes you to the ground and chokes you out bjj

check out some of the old gracie material floating around you tube

research karate, lol I've seen all the karate men winning in ufc - mma for years lol

[TheLaughingMan]

Actually a lot of the toughest fighters you see in pride, ufc, k1 etc come from kyokushin, you just dont know it because they don't advertise it. I didnt think much of "karate" for 20 years of martial arts training but when I was exposed to it and started training it seriously... what an eye opener. Before that I felt muay thai was the fastest way to toughen you up, but kyokushin is like that on steroids. MMA is also like that but to get the kind of benefit from mma you really need a strong background in something else.

Ive spent my entire life training and fighting martial arts, I do it all. Bjj, submission grappling, mma, weapons, military and police training, muay thai, western boxing and of course several traditional striking arts in various forms of karate, taekwondo and kungfu. So listening to someone that doesn't have my hands on experience talk about what they think is best makes me cringe. There is no best, there are only warriors regardless of their background. Ive met really tough guys in all martial arts, and lots and lots of losers too, what they take, mattered little when it came to their ability to fight.

Same stupid arguments by the inexperienced. Get choked out by bjj? Uh ya, that is exactly what would happen to the muay thai guy, get knocked out by an elbow from muay thai? Uh ya that is exactly what would happen to the bjj guy.... <deleted> was your point again? You take a rule set, and throw someone in the new rule set that they are not familiar with and they will be at a distinct disadvantage. This goes both ways for bjj or muay thai. Silly ignorance. When it comes to street fighting thats a whole different story, gonna choke a guy out while his 6 buddies stomp on your head? Gonna elbow someone when one guy has your arms held from behind and another is punching you? And how often do experts from one martial art encounter an expert from another martial art on the street?! Is this what I should be training for? The fight one day when I get mugged by a Royce Gracie?! LOL! Give me a break.

[Lost in LOS]

try muay-thai or BJJ.. enough of that in bkk and 10 times better

why spend allot of time on a martial art wich is easily overpowerd by other martial arts.. seems like a waste of time 2 me

like taking a windows 98 course when there is windows vista course

Bull sh*t

I am a 4th degree black belt in tae-kwon-do. I have met many muay-thai fighters in completion and beat them. Some are good, some not so good, in every form of martial arts. Up to the individual and heart. The best in the end is MMA which takes the best from them all suited to the individual

[AAACEEE]

try muay-thai or BJJ.. enough of that in bkk and 10 times better

why spend allot of time on a martial art wich is easily overpowerd by other martial arts.. seems like a waste of time 2 me

like taking a windows 98 course when there is windows vista course

Bull sh*t

I am a 4th degree black belt in tae-kwon-do. I have met many muay-thai fighters in completion and beat them. Some are good, some not so good, in every form of martial arts. Up to the individual and heart. The best in the end is MMA which takes the best from them all suited to the individual

you are missing the point... im not saying any muay-thai fighter can beat every blackbelt karataka or taekwondo that is indeed bull sh*t.. and it is indeed an individual case and im talking at equal levels... i would like to see the best karate or tae-kwon-do fighter stand in the ring against guys like badr hari or buakaw por pramuk with their guard up high and their devestating low kicks... in the ring its just not going to happen if we are talking MMA rules (wich is the most fair to see who's the better fighter)... and that tells me wich martial art is more effective.. thats why they invented MMA so they can actually see what is actually the best... and that would be a mixture of BJJ/wrestling/sambo and boxing/muay-thai

[TheLaughingMan]

AAACEEE what you are failing to realise is that a lot of mma fighters come from a tradiational background. I mean now a days there are more that jump straight into mma training now that there are schools popping up everywhere just teaching that but there are still guys around holding black belts in various styles before they got serious into other things. I never stopped training taekwondo and karate and kungfu, but I got heavy into muay thai and did lots of submission grappling and mma training. The entire reason Im in Thailand is because I was serious enough about muay thai to come here and fight, then saw other opportunities and moved here.

MMA is a ring sport, it STILL has rules, when I grapple I see tons of opportunities to sink my fingers into my opponents eye sockets or mash his groin, but of course... that is against the rules. My point is, mma is pretty good at getting close to reality, but reality is still a ways off.

Your point is true but people that go onto ppv events train THAT rule set like any professional athlete would, which requires solid knowledge of muay thai and a grappling art. Doesn't matter if they are 4th degree black belts in judo, they know they need the rest of the knowledge or they are going in at a disadvantage. When someone doesnt know this and steps in a ring in a different rule set they make a fool of themselves. You used the example of the leg kicks against a karate or taekwondo expert. No shit, I didnt step in the ring until several years of learning to shield leg kicks, why would I go in there not having a reflexive reaction for leg kicks?! That would be foolish.

Also, you used karate as an example as weak against the leg kick... please just youtube search kyokushin (specifically watch the russians kyokushin video, those guys are monsters). All they do is leg kick for crying out loud. Your lack of knowledge is what gets guys like me eager to retort. Kyokushin looks exactly like a cross between muay thai and taekwondo (they leg kick and knee but no grabbing or elbows unless its modified rules like they have at the international tournament in Pattaya every couple of years). They also dont wear protective gear, no boxing gloves, nothing, its the "traditional" meat heads sport instead of the new style of mma meatheads lol. You do have to be a meathead to do either of those sports, I'm a bit of a meathead in my heart so love it, but dont like taking a month off due to injury which unfortunately happens when doing such tough styles.

[corkman]

You could have a look at Sakura Dojo, Sukumvhit 33/1 (in the World Video Bldg) 4th Floor...

I have no idea about the style/instruction or schedule though.

Thank you, I'll (try) and check that out.

Meanwhile, in the absence of other suggestions, I am thinking of trying out takewondo

[mmh8]

AAACEEE what you are failing to realise is that a lot of mma fighters come from a tradiational background. I mean now a days there are more that jump straight into mma training now that there are schools popping up everywhere just teaching that but there are still guys around holding black belts in various styles before they got serious into other things. I never stopped training taekwondo and karate and kungfu, but I got heavy into muay thai and did lots of submission grappling and mma training. The entire reason Im in Thailand is because I was serious enough about muay thai to come here and fight, then saw other opportunities and moved here.

MMA is a ring sport, it STILL has rules, when I grapple I see tons of opportunities to sink my fingers into my opponents eye sockets or mash his groin, but of course... that is against the rules. My point is, mma is pretty good at getting close to reality, but reality is still a ways off.

Your point is true but people that go onto ppv events train THAT rule set like any professional athlete would, which requires solid knowledge of muay thai and a grappling art. Doesn't matter if they are 4th degree black belts in judo, they know they need the rest of the knowledge or they are going in at a disadvantage. When someone doesnt know this and steps in a ring in a different rule set they make a fool of themselves. You used the example of the leg kicks against a karate or taekwondo expert. No shit, I didnt step in the ring until several years of learning to shield leg kicks, why would I go in there not having a reflexive reaction for leg kicks?! That would be foolish.

Also, you used karate as an example as weak against the leg kick... please just youtube search kyokushin (specifically watch the russians kyokushin video, those guys are monsters). All they do is leg kick for crying out loud. Your lack of knowledge is what gets guys like me eager to retort. Kyokushin looks exactly like a cross between muay thai and taekwondo (they leg kick and knee but no grabbing or elbows unless its modified rules like they have at the international tournament in Pattaya every couple of years). They also dont wear protective gear, no boxing gloves, nothing, its the "traditional" meat heads sport instead of the new style of mma meatheads lol. You do have to be a meathead to do either of those sports, I'm a bit of a meathead in my heart so love it, but dont like taking a month off due to injury which unfortunately happens when doing such tough styles.

hmm, sounds like the classic man of a thousand knives!

[soundman]

You could have a look at Sakura Dojo, Sukumvhit 33/1 (in the World Video Bldg) 4th Floor...

I have no idea about the style/instruction or schedule though.

Thank you, I'll (try) and check that out.

Meanwhile, in the absence of other suggestions, I am thinking of trying out takewondo

Taekwondo is very popular in Thailand, clubs all over the country & many meets for competetion at all grade levels.

[TenDreams]

You could have a look at Sakura Dojo, Sukumvhit 33/1 (in the World Video Bldg) 4th Floor...

I have no idea about the style/instruction or schedule though.

Thank you, I'll (try) and check that out.

Meanwhile, in the absence of other suggestions, I am thinking of trying out takewondo

If you haven't already, I would check out boxer rebellion on soi 13. A very interesting collective of martial artists there. No karate as far as I know, but sometimes sifu Mark Stewart trains there (if u know your kung <deleted>, you may have heard of him) and I think he is also a high level karate practitioner. Also the savate instructor and classes are awesome (I did it until I left BKK). Would definitely recommend at least popping in there.

[ozsamurai]

You could have a look at Sakura Dojo, Sukumvhit 33/1 (in the World Video Bldg) 4th Floor...

I have no idea about the style/instruction or schedule though.

Thank you, I'll (try) and check that out.

Meanwhile, in the absence of other suggestions, I am thinking of trying out takewondo

Well if you had of said you were not serious......lol. 30yr Kyokushin vet, I would back my training against Muay Thai anyday, live near 3 schools, watch them all the time. They watch me, funny how they never come over and mouth off. There is a free school you should try if your a newb in Chulalongkorn uni gym, its on almost every night.

Oz

[AAACEEE]

You could have a look at Sakura Dojo, Sukumvhit 33/1 (in the World Video Bldg) 4th Floor...

I have no idea about the style/instruction or schedule though.

Thank you, I'll (try) and check that out.

Meanwhile, in the absence of other suggestions, I am thinking of trying out takewondo

Well if you had of said you were not serious......lol. 30yr Kyokushin vet, I would back my training against Muay Thai anyday, live near 3 schools, watch them all the time. They watch me, funny how they never come over and mouth off. There is a free school you should try if your a newb in Chulalongkorn uni gym, its on almost every night.

Oz

all the muay thai fighters are probably so scared off you

[Tanlic]

You could have a look at Sakura Dojo, Sukumvhit 33/1 (in the World Video Bldg) 4th Floor...

I have no idea about the style/instruction or schedule though.

Thank you, I'll (try) and check that out.

Meanwhile, in the absence of other suggestions, I am thinking of trying out takewondo

If you haven't already, I would check out boxer rebellion on soi 13. A very interesting collective of martial artists there. No karate as far as I know, but sometimes sifu Mark Stewart trains there (if u know your kung <deleted>, you may have heard of him) and I think he is also a high level karate practitioner. Also the savate instructor and classes are awesome (I did it until I left BKK). Would definitely recommend at least popping in there.

I studied MA for many years and met Mark a long time ago in Calafornia and his abilities are unquestionable.

Any MA worth his salt will know with in minutes of training with him he has earned his place among one of the best.

I would suggest to anyone who is interested in MA to take the opportunity to study under this guy.

[corkman]

Thanks all - I have pm'd a couple of you because I cannot be bothered in getting involved in the "who's toughest" debate..... makes no odds to me who's toughest

[robblok]

Thanks all - I have pm'd a couple of you because I cannot be bothered in getting involved in the "who's toughest" debate..... makes no odds to me who's toughest

I am the toughest said the internet warrior.