Islam Praying Singing At 05.00 Am

[PingandSingh]

Geeezzzzz,

Dear Aitch,

Thanks for speaking out.

I just come to this board to find a solution for a big problem that affects my family.

That's all.

Nothing else of a strategy is behind my words. Let that be clear. I am a very tolerant man and have even a few Muslim friends. I talked to them about this matter and they told me it would be difficult despite they understand. 

I am absolutely not ANTI of anything and have very broad understandings and toleration. I want to act only against strong noise that wakes my family up at 05.00 at night.

[jdinasia]

1) Close your windows.

2) Ramadan has just ended so it will possibly get quieter. So wait and see.

3) Move. And hear the morning chanting and gongs of the temples instead

4) Grow up and deal with it.

That pretty much rounds out your options that are not biased.

[Rooo]

I have deleted more inflammatory posts.

No matter what religion it is, please show respect.

7) Not to post slurs or degrading comments directed towards any group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

[mcgriffith]

Whew!

Sorry to hear of the OP's sleeplessness.

I lived in Afganistan once and honestly I just learned to tune out the 5 AM call to prayer, as some others have mentioned. And yeah, they had high volume loudspeakers back then. Electric loudspeakers were invented many decades ago, as I am sure you are all aware.

In the spirit of religious tolerance (although I am not religious at all) I could mention the Wat village fairs here that last for a week with speaker stacks that look like they were borrowed from a Tower of Power concert, the Chinese festival bomb blasts (yes bombs- rattle your windows bombs), and all the other versions of noise such as construction noise. Thais seem remarkable immune from it all, and it is a mystery that has been discussed many times here on this forum, and in many other places such as national English language newspapers.

I lived in India and Nepal for a while, and I can state unequivocally that the myriad festivals, from the major ones like Diwali all the way down to the minor saint in the local shrine of the most humble unheard of village are literally breathtaking in the volume of noise generated.

Incessantly, for days at a time.

Buy some good foam rubber ear plugs- Boots sells them.

If needed additionally, take a Xanax if you are prone to anxiety attacks.

[Sparkles]

these are the best type of earplug I have found. Does anyone know where to buy plugs with 4 or more baffles in CM? I keep worrying I will lose my only pair I brought with me.

Tried to buy some myself with no luck. My mate uses "blue tack" you know the soft pliable rubber for affixing things to a wall He uses for swimming reckons it seals the ears tight as a drum.

[Thakkar]

^OP

^{All "attack" solutions offered above are pure nonsense. Quite apart from every other concern, they cannot work and probably would backfire.}

^{Indulging in angers or self-righteousness is a misalignment in my soul, I think, and actions rising from it can provoke anger in others - that is all. There are a number of countries where expressed anger and applications to higher authorities get you nowhere for a very long time, France is an example, and Thailand too.}

^{You owe it to yourself to take it easy on yourself find a workable solution, and there are several listed above. Or anyway, that's what I decided. I moved because of a nightclub, did not want to, just did, and I hate moving.}

^{In my case, the most difficult part was defusing my own frustration. But what I was up against was that I was from a foreign place and did not understand new ways. I cannot believe that Thai people are so practiced at tuning out noise, but they do. And it is not the case that everybody has raised a dozen unruly children!}

^{After a while, I took my moving as a learning, and worth it. Slept better for two reasons.}

^{Good advice from CMX...}

^{Agree that there is a problem, and would not appear to the simple solution that you would like there to be.}

^{In this case, I would suggest that the answer in within yourself..... I lived in and among the general Muslim population in Jakarta for quite a few years. I would not be able to tell you how close the nearest Westener lived as I was among the Muslim locals, and I must say to this day, it bothers me to hear some people lambast all Muslims due to the actions of a few. My neighbors there were were as nice as any neighbors I have ever had, anywhere.}

^{I also found it somewhat disconcerting to hear the morning prayer call every morning and then throughout the other times of the day. But the human body is a wondorous thing, it can acclimate and adjust amazingly. After a short period of time, while I did actually hear the prayer call, at the same time I didn't , then later it became sort of a nice wake up call. Along with these prayer calls, there were the street sounds of the mobile street vendors selling their wares. Food stuff, like bread or other early morning , to me treats. Each of these vendors would have theirown unique sound. From tapping on a pot or plate with a spoon , to a honky, honky bicycle horn, to other various implements of soundmaking.}

^{Believe me this for some reason, instilled within me a very warm, secure feeling of belonging just right there where I was.}

^{Some time later when it was time to move and it was to CM, strange as it might seem I really missed those same sounds that gave me such a warm secure feeling.}

^{Today, I hear at all hours , barking dogs, sirens, tuk-tuks or racing cars or motorcycles and it doesn't really disturb me. The body, as I said earlier, aclimates and it has done so again. My sleeping brain hears these sounds, I am sure, but at the same time tells me that they are not a threat to me, and sleep continues. But let some one come into my courtyard and just step on some of the crushed stone within the gate and the same brain awakens me instantly, This the brain sez may be a threat.}

^{This , I would say to you, try and find a way from within yourself the consider these sounds as ambient and non threatening. Much like the sound in someone elses home, the ticking of a grandfather clock or the turning on of a forced air furnace or A/C, it too will become nonthreatening and therefore not a problem...}

^{I do think that this would be a much easier solution and not nearly so impossible to correct.as other means where by you try and change others.....}

^{Find your peace within yourself and leave your worring to important things like the redshirts, political stability or the economy.}

^{Sorry to make this ramble on for so long ....... and good luck to you......}

^G

CMX and Gonzo: What you said is beautiful. Makes even this atheist want to give you guys a bear hug.

My dog, who has recently taken to sleeping under our bed, spends his nights licking himself making loud slurpy sounds. This disturbed my slumber in more ways than one, as I couldn't help imagining the parts he may be licking. As is my wont, I woke and complained to Mrs. T who had hitherto been blissfully unconscious of this slurpulant goings-on. She cursed me as now, all she could hear was that sound. Slurp, slurp, slurp. She groggily grabbed her pillow and went to the guest bedroom. Luckily the dog followed her and I had a good night's sleep. I have no idea how this helps the OP though.

[mcgriffith]

Ya move to some tiny village in Nakhon Nowhere...I guarantee that the sound of one little eensy-weensy mosquito will wake you from your deepest slumber.

We all create our own hel_l, or heaven, here on this earth.:jap:

[mcgriffith]

Nice troll, bangkokcitylimits.

We all can play that game with pretty much any major world religion right now.

Turn on your TV right now and see what the Belgian Archbishop is saying about recent child abuse issues.

Read what the head rabbi of the Shas party in Israel just said about his fellow Israeli citizens who are Arab.

The list goes on and on and on.

I'm just frankly sickened by all this hatred. Based on simple ignorance and lack of understanding about other peoples and creeds.

[uptheos]

Nice troll, bangkokcitylimits.

We all can play that game with pretty much any major world religion right now.

Turn on your TV right now and see what the Belgian Archbishop is saying about recent child abuse issues.

Read what the head rabbi of the Shas party in Israel just said about his fellow Israeli citizens who are Arab.

The list goes on and on and on.

I'm just frankly sickened by all this hatred. Based on simple ignorance and lack of understanding about other peoples and creeds.

Well said.

[bangkokcitylimits]

Nice troll, bangkokcitylimits.

We all can play that game with pretty much any major world religion right now.

Turn on your TV right now and see what the Belgian Archbishop is saying about recent child abuse issues.

Read what the head rabbi of the Shas party in Israel just said about his fellow Israeli citizens who are Arab.

The list goes on and on and on.

I'm just frankly sickened by all this hatred. Based on simple ignorance and lack of understanding about other peoples and creeds.

This treat was about archbishops nor rabbies, don't get your point. Don't take life too hard sir, some others do that already. If you are sickened go see a doctor, and don't let the global trouble affect your personal well being. Negativity and cynicism doesn't benefit to a healthy world

[jackr]

Spike the cables.

All this waffle of religious intolerance... why should one have to be tolerant to the one who is pushing their thing on one? I think everyone should just keep quiet and if they want to do their thing, do it so as not to bother another, whichever country and whatever race, visitor or local. Anyway, op, what are you doing sleeping at 05:00?

[mojo80]

So you want to stop a religious practice over thousand of years ago just that you get a good sleep. Be sensible and practice more religious tolerance mate. The mosque will not move but you can.

Yeah, they have been turning up those speakers for thousands of years. LOL.

Whats funny about that, he didn't state speakers for thousands of years! but for thousands of years a muslim has climbed the tower of the mosque and sang that same string of words for the prcise reason the OP is complaining about...the idea being to wake people up to come and pray, just nowdays they have speakers up there not people!

[mcgriffith]

I did not mean to speak so harshly; the point I was trying to make is that we should try to be tolerant. Of mosque loudspeakers and more.

I think most people I've met in my 40 years of world travel, on every continent, have pretty much the same goals in life.

Doesn't matter where I've been, everyone wants the same things- economic betterment, security, a good education for their children, and happiness with their neighbors.

Peace be with you, and have a good night.

[JimShortz]

Nice troll, bangkokcitylimits.

We all can play that game with pretty much any major world religion right now.

Turn on your TV right now and see what the Belgian Archbishop is saying about recent child abuse issues.

Read what the head rabbi of the Shas party in Israel just said about his fellow Israeli citizens who are Arab.

The list goes on and on and on.

I'm just frankly sickened by all this hatred. Based on simple ignorance and lack of understanding about other peoples and creeds.

Or is it just that religion in general (all cults, creeds, whatever you want to call them - big or small) are the problem?

I think George Carlin said it best:

George Carlin On Religion When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion.

Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fuc_ked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.

Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuc_k things up like this.

So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results. So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on. And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper.

Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend. But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuc_k that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuc_k up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuc_k bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing. So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun.

You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuc_k around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat. So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now.

And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50.

So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself. And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way.

And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!

Edited September 13, 2010 by JimShortz

[puyaidon]

I read a story some years ago that a foreigner clipped the speaker wires to stop what he thought was noise pollution or noise. It was not viewed as something funny. He was either fined or went to jail for a time.

When I was in Riyadh years ago, I used the morning call as my alarm clock. It all boils down to political correctness now in the media. Live with it.

[angiud]

Pompous pleas, PC bigotry, red t-shirts.

You have few ideas, but confused.

Look like you repeat, like a parrot, what Fox News shout everyday and you tolerance is alarmingly decreasing to a dangerous level.

You speak only by cliche'

Congratulations

[bangkokcitylimits]

I read a story some years ago that a foreigner clipped the speaker wires to stop what he thought was noise pollution or noise. It was not viewed as something funny. He was either fined or went to jail for a time.

When I was in Riyadh years ago, I used the morning call as my alarm clock. It all boils down to political correctness now in the media. Live with it.

At least he could have reconnect the wires with a tape recorder playing James Brown - Like a Sex machine, lol.

But this is not funny, during my short stay in Jerusalem I experienced this repeating 'call for a prayer' as frightening, disturbing, highly intimidating and provocative. Always experienced Muslims as very hospitable people, but I do get a very negative feeling with Islam and all sounds they produce. So for me it would be enough reason to move out or sell my apartment.

Also the unlike-Buddhist Thai temple speakers can be very disturbing and pushy, and when too frequent and too loud, enough reason to move on, get out of my head !!!

[DP25]

I feel for you, the call to prayer is the most obnoxious noise pollution I've ever heard. But for your own personal safety, don't do anything yourself or try to express your annoyance. Either move, or wait until the locals get tired off it and make them turn it down, which may never happen.

[StevieH]

I feel for you, the call to prayer is the most obnoxious noise pollution I've ever heard. But for your own personal safety, don't do anything yourself or try to express your annoyance. Either move, or wait until the locals get tired off it and make them turn it down, which may never happen.

oh look, another 'all muslims are violent' post. what fun.

and if it really is 'most obnoxious noise pollution I've ever heard' then you've not really been around very much have you?

[angiud]

I love the sound of the adhān (the call to prayer) coming from a mosque. Remember me the many years past traveling through many Mediterranean Arabic countries where I learned the proverbial hospitality and friendship of the Muslim people.

Coming for speakers could be a bit noisy though.

But tolerance! or move another location cause the mosque for sure will not move!

[drtreelove]

To h_ll with religious tolerance and earplugs. There is a tree pruning tool that I find very useful in situations like this; it's called a pole pruner, and it can snip a wire leading to a loudspeaker in the middle of the night as easily as it can a small branch.

[bangkokcitylimits]

I love the sound of the adhān (the call to prayer) coming from a mosque. Remember me the many years past traveling through many Mediterranean Arabic countries where I learned the proverbial hospitality and friendship of the Muslim people.

Coming for speakers could be a bit noisy though.

But tolerance! or move another location cause the mosque for sure will not move!

'tolerance', who ? Sorry but it may be too late for political correctness.

Perhaps interested in taking over a condo ? Filled with rich 'call for a prayer sounds' five times a day, so an ideal location for passionate Muslim lovers ! Contact the OP !

edit: nice video that you might like ! (supposed you love your children a lot and you want to raise them in peace and prosperity)

Edited September 14, 2010 by bangkokcitylimits

[jackr]

I think George Carlin said it best

Interesting, here's jackr's version:

"The sooner we move away from all religion and start focusing on people as a whole and, more importantly, our planet which is pretty bleedin special, the better. If not, it'll be the death of us. If there were a god, the creator of everything, do people really think he would have one frigging iota of interest in us! He'd be a supreme mathematician/scientist with a lust for quantum mechanics and the like, not into listening to our petty bs on how we have sinned or, more to the point, correctly ascertaining what he was purported to have said to one deranged man. In all likelihood he didn't/doesn't even have a voice. For the non-divine folk (including myself), we're a bunch of very fortunate creatures grown out of a soup of sludge that ultimately came about by the banging about of membranes and a big bang from a false vacuum. If there is a god, then great, we'll probably meet him later and can then ask questions, or not. But how about just realising our great fortune in the now and lets move forward for Pete's sake, not fight each other over petty, puerile (made-up) crap."

[JUDAS]

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<br />I love the sound of the adhān (the call to prayer) coming from a mosque. Remember me the many years past traveling through many Mediterranean Arabic countries where I learned the proverbial hospitality and friendship of the Muslim people.<br /><br />Coming for speakers could be a bit noisy though.<br /><br />But tolerance! or move another location cause the mosque for sure will not move!<br /><br />

<br /><br /><br /><font face="Verdana">'tolerance', who ? Sorry but it may be too late for political correctness.</font><br /><br /><font face="Verdana">Perhaps interested in taking over a condo ? Filled with rich 'call for a prayer <img src="http://www.ahashare.com/images/smilies/osama.gif" /> sounds' five times a day, so an ideal location for passionate Muslim lovers !</font><font face="Verdana"> Contact the OP ! <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />  <img src="http://www.ahashare.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" /><br /><br /><br />edit: <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP6xQ2fDzcg' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>nice video</a> that you might like ! (supposed you love your children a lot and you want to raise them in peace and prosperity)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.ahashare.com/images/smilies/shit.gif" /><br /></font><br />

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I would be interested to hear YOUR view or interpretation of the video you posted a link to.

[DoiSuthep]

-buy earplugs

-move to another apartment

-buy loudspeakers and broadcast your own programming. i.e. rock and roll, cartoons etc

-close your windows in the morning

-pray each morning that you lose your hearing

-declare a Fatwa against anything

-buy a dozen vendor carts and have them surround the mosque to make pungent pork dishes. the porky aroma will drive them to another mosque

Love your last 3 ideas

I had similar problem with noise, coming from a tortured crying puppy locked up in a cage all day. And also noise from a school, doing their morning speech thingy over the loudspeakers every morning around 7.30am

Complaining about it will just get us into trouble. Sadly, LOS is NOT a quiet retirement place and moving probably not solve the problem. There is noise everywhere. Moo-baans, high-rise condos all inclusive. But there is one place in Thailand, where there is deafening silence: the place where the oldest living teak tree is, in Northern Thailand somewhere. I was there. But then a 4-wheel drive arrived with a noisy family. I can't win.

So now, I am looking into double glazing and got my silicone ear-plugs out, again.

BTW Cobra, I have seen those barbed ear-plugs at HomePro, you can also try Sports stores, swimming section, but they can be uncomfortable to sleep with.

To the OP, I empathise with you. BUT we can not change the ways of the locals and it will be decades before effective noise-pollution laws will come to LOS. As other posters said, Thais have an amazing ability to block out noise and we need to learn to do that also. Funnily, now that I have decided to NOT fight the noise polluters, but to block out the noise, as much as I can, I started to sleep a bit better already.

When the rainy season is over (and when the window-building company will bother to get back to me with a quote for double glazing), I will change my windows and sleep even better, I hope. Until then, I wake around 7am and go to bed earlier.

VERY funny suggestions, Cobra

[bangkokcitylimits]

I would be interested to hear YOUR view or interpretation of the video you posted a link to.

That video ? shocking and sick, completely lost in their religion down to the level of a total retard, obedient to negativism hate and violence.

This sad example is where it all starts.

[bangkokcitylimits]

@ OP:

I would do few simple adjustments to the apartment. Depending on if you are the owner it's worth to spend more money on this.

-make the windows open to the 'other' direction

-get double glazed windows

-check out what are the sensitive areas in your apartment and eventually add a noise blocker to one or more walls*

-place few 2 meter high bamboo plants on the balcony

-place a small electric waterfall inside and/or outside, this somehow 'neutralizes' negative vibrations

*can buy this on the road from Nawarat bridge to the railway station, halfway on the right side

The noise is not completely gone but you will notice the difference.

Or, maybe it's just time to move on to a new location, that doesn't have to be wrong either !

(thought everybody was leaving chiangmai?)

[Richb2004v2]

It's a religion and therefore by default you are expected to 'tolerate' it. If you don't then you are seen as a bigot. Sadly that's just the way it is now. People feel very worldly wise and superior in telling us this. I'm not sure how far this goes and what constitutes a religion worthy of respect and what is just nonsense. If a religion is founded on child abuse do we give that respect? If one religion includes hating one of the others do we respect that one, and if so where does that leave the one which is hated?

If evil actions are committed due to misunderstanding and poor interpretation of a religion how is it we don't see the same happening with Buddhism or Hinduism all over the world? I have yet to see a bombing in Europe carried out by someone misunderstanding Mormonism.

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

Did the OP ever indicate if they are renters or owners of their unit?

Just another solid gold reason to only rent real estate in Thailand.

Owning a unit is like playing Sanity Roulette

[TheWalkingMan]

5am... Ugh.

I think that it would be better for the mosque to move towards an SMS system to registered users. The SMS could be sent at the appropriate times for all who wish to receive. Simple and easy solution.

TheWalkingMan