Phone Taping In Los

[ozymandious]

(Might be more of a legal question than a Tech Question)

In the USA any phone taping requires a warrant from a judge. (supposedly)

Is there any such check in the Thai Legal system for phone tapping?

Are Mobile phones treated any different from a land line when it comes to such?

Further more, could the police or DSI put a check on a mobile number to see the incoming/outgoing calls and not record them. Would this monitoring still require any higher check or is no one above the DSI?

Would the normal checks for procuring a phone tap /number monitoring be lessened/abolished during a state of emergency. (e.g. monitoring persons of intrest 'red/yellow/green/perrywinkle-shirts')

OK I'll put my Tin-foil hat away now:lol: Just curious:jap:

[givenall]

Why everyone tries to compare Thailand, a 3^rd world, and not a democracy country to US. Over her on the surface they will say that they follow the law but in reality anything goes

[garyh]

Why everyone tries to compare Thailand, a 3^rd world, and not a democracy country to US. Over her on the surface they will say that they follow the law but in reality anything goes

Thailand is NOT a third world country! Neither is it one of the poorest.

Wikipedia

"The term 'Third World' arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned or not moving at all with either capitalism and NATO (which along with its allies represented the First World) or communism and the Soviet Union (which along with its allies represented the Second World). This definition provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on social, political, and economic divisions.

The term continues to be used colloquially to describe the poorest countries in the world."

[newtronbom]

Thailand has good laws in place - just not always followed.....having said that, under Thai law, police or any other legitimate party, must have a warrant to tap your phone, land or mobile(also sms even more difficult to get a warrant for and must go to the service provider). If no warrant was issued, nothing can be used in a court of law against the person. I know from personal experience, that selected and creatively(by police) used bits from a phone tap was used to form a case, that was thrown out by the Thai Judge. Unfortunately, no disciplinary action was taken against the BIB. They just got a smack on the hand. This law has been followed since 3 years or so ago and has been upheld in all cases. That is not to say that your phone wont be tapped to get them going or provide more leads. By far the best way here(or anywhere), is to have nothing to hide and don't break the law. The BIB aren't going to keep tapping your ipod, just to listen to the lies you just gave your wife about being alone etc. and what you are going to do to your "Mia Noi" next time you meet. Even they have a budget after all.....

[selftaopath]

Why everyone tries to compare Thailand, a 3^rd world, and not a democracy country to US. Over her on the surface they will say that they follow the law but in reality anything goes

Ya took the words right outta my mouth. LOL this is Land of Scams/Lack of Sanctions (LOS) is it now? Democracy in LOS???? LOLOLLOOLL ah nice. Too funny.

[selftaopath]

Why everyone tries to compare Thailand, a 3^rd world, and not a democracy country to US. Over her on the surface they will say that they follow the law but in reality anything goes

Thailand is NOT a third world country! Neither is it one of the poorest.

Wikipedia

"The term 'Third World' arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned or not moving at all with either capitalism and NATO (which along with its allies represented the First World) or communism and the Soviet Union (which along with its allies represented the Second World). This definition provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on social, political, and economic divisions.

The term continues to be used colloquially to describe the poorest countries in the world."

Thia can also be found on the web:

Worlds within the World?

The First, the Second, and the Third World.

When people talk about the poorest countries of the world, they often refer to them with the general term Third World, and they think everybody knows what they are talking about. But when you ask them if there is a Third World, what about a Second or a First World, you almost always get an evasive answer. Other people even try to use the terms as a ranking scheme for the state of development of countries, with the First world on top, followed by the Second world and so on, that's perfect - nonsense.

To close the gap of information you will find here explanations of the terms.

The use of the terms First, the Second, and the Third World is a rough, and it's safe to say, outdated model of the geopolitical world from the time of the cold war.

There is no official definition of the first, second, and the third world. Below OWNO's explanation of the terms.

Four Worlds

After World War II the world split into two large geopolitical blocs and spheres of influence with contrary views on government and the politically correct society:

1 - The bloc of democratic-industrial countries within the American influence sphere, the "First World".

2 - The Eastern bloc of the communist-socialist states, the "Second World".

3 - The remaining three-quarters of the world's population, states not aligned with either bloc were regarded as the "Third World."

4 - The term "Fourth World", coined in the early 1970s by Shuswap Chief George Manuel, refers to widely unknown nations (cultural entities) of indigenous peoples, "First Nations" living within or across national state boundaries.

First there was the three worlds model

The origin of the terminology is unclear. In 1952 Alfred Sauvy, a French demographer, wrote an article in the French magazine L'Observateur which ended by comparing the Third World with the Third Estate: "ce Tiers Monde ignoré, exploité, méprisé comme le Tiers État" (this ignored Third World, exploited, scorned like the Third Estate). Other sources claim that Charles de Gaulle coined the term Third World, maybe de Gaulle only has quoted Sauvy. However...

__ Definitions

The term "First World" refers to so called developed, capitalist, industrial countries, roughly, a bloc of countries aligned with the United States after World War II, with more or less common political and economic interests: North America, Western Europe, Japan and Australia.

Countries of the "First World"

"Second World" refers to the former communist-socialist, industrial states, (formerly the Eastern bloc, the territory and sphere of influence of the Union of Soviet Socialists Republic) today: Russia, Eastern Europe (e.g., Poland) and some of the Turk States (e.g., Kazakhstan) as well as China.

Countries of the "Second World"

"Third World" are all the other countries, today often used to roughly describe the developing countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America.

The term Third World includes as well capitalist (e.g., Venezuela) and communist (e.g., North Korea) countries, as very rich (e.g., Saudi Arabia) and very poor (e.g., Mali) countries.

Below

Countries of the "Third World"

Third World Countries classified by various indices: their Political Rights and Civil Liberties, the Gross National Income (GNI) and Poverty of countries, the Human Development of countries, and the Freedom of Information within a country.

The term "Fourth World" first came into use in 1974 with the publication of Shuswap Chief George Manuel's: The fourth world : an Indian reality (amazon link to the book), the term refers to nations (cultural entities, ethnic groups) of indigenous peoples living within or across state boundaries (nation states).

see Native American Indians

American Indian Nations.

More links to nations of the "Fourth World" you will find at the Nations Online Project respective country pages under "Natives".

I regard Lack of Sanctions as 3rd world. Some might consider it 3rd rate.

[garyh]

Myanmar would fit into the category of third world, but not Thailand.

[ozymandious]

This thread is not about 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 4th world countries it is about the Technology and legality behind phone tapping in LOS.

[ozymandious]

Thailand has good laws in place - just not always followed.....having said that, under Thai law, police or any other legitimate party, must have a warrant to tap your phone, land or mobile(also sms even more difficult to get a warrant for and must go to the service provider). If no warrant was issued, nothing can be used in a court of law against the person. I know from personal experience, that selected and creatively(by police) used bits from a phone tap was used to form a case, that was thrown out by the Thai Judge. Unfortunately, no disciplinary action was taken against the BIB. They just got a smack on the hand. This law has been followed since 3 years or so ago and has been upheld in all cases. That is not to say that your phone wont be tapped to get them going or provide more leads. By far the best way here(or anywhere), is to have nothing to hide and don't break the law. The BIB aren't going to keep tapping your ipod, just to listen to the lies you just gave your wife about being alone etc. and what you are going to do to your "Mia Noi" next time you meet. Even they have a budget after all.....

So by letter of the law a warrant or equivalent document is required for phone tapping.

It seems that a land line is easier to intercept as up until very recently TOT was a Govn't asset.

do the mobile tel-co's cooperate frequently with the BIB? AIS, DTAC, TRUE?

Now assume that you have nothing to hide and don't break the law but say you've made a Thai person loose face, and they want to screw you over and they have family/friends/connections in the police. should you worry?

[bangkockney]

Now assume that you have nothing to hide and don't break the law but say you've made a Thai person loose face, and they want to screw you over and they have family/friends/connections in the police. should you worry?

Why would you worry then? Hypothetically someone connected could have your phone tapped, but if you've nothing to hide, what's the problem? How will they screw you over?

[Crushdepth]

You could look at using Skype, which is encrypted and not accessible to the BIB, at least for now.