Red Shirt Faction Leader Warns Some Red Shirts May Become Suicide Bombers

[jobsworth]

Never underestimate the will of someone who truly believes in a "cause", whatever that cause may be, and who believes in their own minds and hearts they are doing what must be done. Al-Quada is a perfect example.

and the Christian fundamentalists are another perfect example.

[Buchholz]

Red shirts may turn suicide bombers, leader warns

A red-shirt leader warned Thursday certain red-shirt people may turn suicide bombers

The warning was made by Somyos Prueksakasemsuk

Somyos has busy weekend plans; hopefully there won't be "thousands" of his suicide bombers in attendance:

Thailand's Red Shirts plan mass weekend rally

BANGKOK : Thailand's "Red Shirt" anti-government movement on Friday said it expected thousands of supporters to join a mass rally outside Bangkok this weekend, with authorities planning tight security.

The gathering in Ayutthaya on Sunday could be even bigger than one on September 19 in the capital, said co-organiser Somyot Pruksakasemsuk.

Police estimated that about 6,000 people attended that rally, which marked four years since a coup ousted Thaksin Shinawatra as premier and commemorated those slain in a May crackdown on the Reds' Bangkok protests.

Thai authorities said the Red Shirts would be allowed to gather on Sunday, provided their activities were within the law.

"If they come and do not break the laws and protest for a short period of time to express their opinion, they can do that," army chief General Prayut Chan-O-Cha told reporters.

"If the protest turns violent, the leader of the protests must be responsible under the law," he said. "I'm asking the protesters to rally under the law and not disturb other people's freedom."

AFP - October 15, 2010

[Thai at Heart]

Just get the prospective bombers to watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKa0vLqh5OQ&feature=related

They will never get it. No Boings and whistles or men dressed as women falling aimlessly on the floor. Kaboom ching!

[marc11864]

Why don't the red shirt leaders come out and say "Red shirt people. We don't want you to do this."

Instead all they do is say "They are going to do this and we can't stop them."

They don't seem to care that innocent people will be killed.

Uhm, it's called being manipulative. Manipulative is the word that you are looking for.

[somtampet]

Is it just me or anyone else is reminded of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"?

Certainly looks more like a threat than a warning, if it would be the later wouldn't he had asked people not to carry on bombings and/or offer help to the authorities to prevent them?

This is a threat.

I bet many of you Bangkok farangs have never set foot out of middle classness.i would suggest you take a trip to Issan or actualy talk to some Issan folk and you will feel that the times are a changing

[somtampet]

Why don't the red shirt leaders come out and say "Red shirt people. We don't want you to do this."

Instead all they do is say "They are going to do this and we can't stop them."

They don't seem to care that innocent people will be killed.

Uhm, it's called being manipulative. Manipulative is the word that you are looking for.

Innocent to you maybe but not to the oppressed

Edited October 15, 2010 by somtampet

[somtampet]

Ah Yes, Amazing Thailand , Now the Hub of Terrorism, oh that dont sound so good

The last episode was the tea party,a bit of fisticuffs compared to what could happen

[sausageandmash]

Not really. Thais haven't got the guts to carry out suicide bombings. They're too cowardly for one thing.

Not a good word at all...dam_n scary.

[sausageandmash]

These people have oppressed themselves. Unlike the Chinese, who believe in hard work and planning for the future, most common provincial types are happy to laze around once the rice has been picked and get drunk all day long. They are the authors of their own existances.

Why don't the red shirt leaders come out and say "Red shirt people. We don't want you to do this."

Instead all they do is say "They are going to do this and we can't stop them."

They don't seem to care that innocent people will be killed.

Uhm, it's called being manipulative. Manipulative is the word that you are looking for.

Innocent to you maybe but not to the oppressed

[somtampet]

These people have oppressed themselves. Unlike the Chinese, who believe in hard work and planning for the future, most common provincial types are happy to laze around once the rice has been picked and get drunk all day long. They are the authors of their own existances.

Why don't the red shirt leaders come out and say "Red shirt people. We don't want you to do this."

Instead all they do is say "They are going to do this and we can't stop them."

They don't seem to care that innocent people will be killed.

Uhm, it's called being manipulative. Manipulative is the word that you are looking for.

Innocent to you maybe but not to the oppressed

Sausage you talk rubbish.There are many many families who work hard for a pttance,and where do you think the majority of motorbike drivers come from.What books do you read then

[rubl]

Why don't the red shirt leaders come out and say "Red shirt people. We don't want you to do this."

Instead all they do is say "They are going to do this and we can't stop them."

They don't seem to care that innocent people will be killed.

Uhm, it's called being manipulative. Manipulative is the word that you are looking for.

Innocent to you maybe but not to the oppressed

Somehow I think you don't know what you're saying. You suggest that the 'innocent people' which may be killed are not seen as innocent by the oppressed. If you're not for me, you're against me. Nice mentality.

[somtampet]

Why don't the red shirt leaders come out and say "Red shirt people. We don't want you to do this."

Instead all they do is say "They are going to do this and we can't stop them."

They don't seem to care that innocent people will be killed.

Uhm, it's called being manipulative. Manipulative is the word that you are looking for.

Innocent to you maybe but not to the oppressed

Somehow I think you don't know what you're saying. You suggest that the 'innocent people' which may be killed are not seen as innocent by the oppressed. If you're not for me, you're against me. Nice mentality.

Its called devils advocate,stretch your brain cells a bit.One poster was replied to as an alternative to an arguament and i just gave a different perspective.I dont advocate violence but this wont be the first and wont be the last,100% fact,do you speak to Issan folks????

[rubl]

(quote name='whybother' timestamp='1287049243' post='3954169')

Why don't the red shirt leaders come out and say "Red shirt people. We don't want you to do this."

Instead all they do is say "They are going to do this and we can't stop them."

They don't seem to care that innocent people will be killed.(/quote)

Uhm, it's called being manipulative. Manipulative is the word that you are looking for.

Innocent to you maybe but not to the oppressed

Somehow I think you don't know what you're saying. You suggest that the 'innocent people' which may be killed are not seen as innocent by the oppressed. If you're not for me, you're against me. Nice mentality.

Its called devils advocate,stretch your brain cells a bit.One poster was replied to as an alternative to an arguament and i just gave a different perspective.I dont advocate violence but this wont be the first and wont be the last,100% fact,do you speak to Issan folks????

A different perspective on 'innocent' ? Remember the lady who was killed in the grenade attack on BTS Saladaeng ? You want to say she wasn't innocent in the eyes of the 'oppressed'?

You don't advocate 'violence', but this won't be the first or last, 100% fact?

The last Isan folks I spoke with were taxi drivers who at 1AM next to a local shop offered me a drink. Friendly people. Unlike you it seems.

Edited October 15, 2010 by rubl

[Jdietz]

So they can be labeled a terrorist organization now?

They always were. Threatening to burn down the city (and then acting on it) is a terrorist activity. Nothing new here.

(can we use "hang them high" or "lock them all up and throw away the key" in this thread?)

[Jimjim]

Hate all this talk of violence. Thai politics are horrible right now. What happened this year with the death and violence was a travesty on both sides of the issue. Will Thailand come out of this darkness soon?

[hanuman1]

Hate all this talk of violence. Thai politics are horrible right now. What happened this year with the death and violence was a travesty on both sides of the issue. Will Thailand come out of this darkness soon?

I'm quietly hopeful there won't be any violence at least until after the elections. The only way I see serious upheaval in future would be if the political parties which the majority rural poor (and sympathetic urbanites with roots in rural areas, regardless of income) perceive as being good for them gained legitimate governance and then had it taken away. Again.

You can only shat on a large group of people so many times before they decide enough is enough. The history of any country will back this up, including Thailand, where I think we can all agree the strength of emotion - and violent actions - were far more pronounced this year than last.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

I just thought they wallowed in self-pity because they enjoy it. And they cut themselves for attention?

And they noose themselves because they're tired of the battle. And often for attention

I was unaware they had some deep and meaningful message we could soberly take on board. But perhaps I'm wrong?

I believe you are confusing suicide 'attempts' with actual suicide. How could they actually merely be 'seeking attention' when they're already dead?

A fair number of attention-seeking suicide attempts (or more accurately, gestures) do result in death through a variety of miscalculations.

Suicide does often result from people who are "tired of the battle" if he means the battle against depression. It's crippling effects does require a tremendous amount of effort to overcome and its sufferers are often ill-equipped to handle that challenge. Suicide most often results from overwhelming thoughts of hopelessness and helplessness.

What Buchholz said.

Suicide (whether actually intended - quite easy to achieve; or merely attempted for attention - not quite so easy and often results in donkdown) is tragic. But the tortured souls who sink that low have no 'deep' or 'insightful' message to tell us. Everyone is already aware that the psychotherapy is a quack profession and that the medical industry which supports it is hilariously corrupt. It's just that hardly anyone cares.

Dead men tell no tales. The mentally-ill who commit suicide most certainly tell us nothing of value.

Focus on the living.

[chantorn]

"Red Shirt Faction Leader Warns Some Red Shirts May Become Suicide Bomber"

This is a very general statement. Even the IRA have suicide bombers. And the Irish are not NUTS, unlike the middle eastern.

[silp1979]

When i see it i will believe it!

A Thai to sacrifice his/her life for the sake of movement? let alone anything else-LOL

It should read more like "we the leaders will temper with bombs so they blow up unexpectedly" and to save a face will say that those hero's died for the movement.

you say: A Thai to sacrifice his/her life for the sake of movement? let alone anything else-LOL

I say: LOL ???? about 91 people already gave there life, they knew there life was in danger and people died around them but the kept on fightin' .

A violent leader will not have problems to find a lot of very angry man who are ready to give there life (not suicide-bomber i think, would be a waste since thai police can only get criminals who turn themself in or fakes.

They busy organizing themselfs right now.

Note: The reds have definetly a militant wing somehow flying around them, but not every red grandma from isaan is a terrorist....

Edited October 16, 2010 by silp1979

[silp1979]

"Red Shirt Faction Leader Warns Some Red Shirts May Become Suicide Bomber"

This is a very general statement. Even the IRA have suicide bombers. And the Irish are not NUTS, unlike the middle eastern.

I totally understand what you mean

or wait .... u mean give the NUTS to the monkeys and the bombs to the bombers???

Edited October 16, 2010 by silp1979

[silp1979]

When i see it i will believe it!

A Thai to sacrifice his/her life for the sake of movement? let alone anything else-LOL

It should read more like "we the leaders will temper with bombs so they blow up unexpectedly" and to save a face will say that those hero's died for the movement.

as is said already, they gave there lives about 91 kept fightin' even after many of them got killed

[kuffki]

When i see it i will believe it!

A Thai to sacrifice his/her life for the sake of movement? let alone anything else-LOL

It should read more like "we the leaders will temper with bombs so they blow up unexpectedly" and to save a face will say that those hero's died for the movement.

as is said already, they gave there lives about 91 kept fightin' even after many of them got killed

YEAH, i am sure those 91 were prepared to die.

But if you wish to insists, then explain to me why did they end up going home and not just keep on fighting? why did they start to burn BKK rather then fight with the army? and why did they hide behind the barricades rather then just walking into the bullets?

Surely being shot point blank would of made a huge difference not only for the movement but also for the face of the government.

Muslims (extremist) fight and die for their believe's and faith. IRA fought for the freedom(i could be wrong) so what do Thai red shirts fight for?

[kuffki]

When i see it i will believe it!

A Thai to sacrifice his/her life for the sake of movement? let alone anything else-LOL

It should read more like "we the leaders will temper with bombs so they blow up unexpectedly" and to save a face will say that those hero's died for the movement.

you say: A Thai to sacrifice his/her life for the sake of movement? let alone anything else-LOL

I say: LOL ???? about 91 people already gave there life, they knew there life was in danger and people died around them but the kept on fightin' .

A violent leader will not have problems to find a lot of very angry man who are ready to give there life (not suicide-bomber i think, would be a waste since thai police can only get criminals who turn themself in or fakes.

They busy organizing themselfs right now.

Note: The reds have definetly a militant wing somehow flying around them, but not every red grandma from isaan is a terrorist....

You got an inside source? or simply regurgitating the headlines?

[rametindallas]

These people have oppressed themselves. Unlike the Chinese, who believe in hard work and planning for the future, most common provincial types are happy to laze around once the rice has been picked and get drunk all day long. They are the authors of their own existances.

Why don't the red shirt leaders come out and say "Red shirt people. We don't want you to do this."

Instead all they do is say "They are going to do this and we can't stop them."

They don't seem to care that innocent people will be killed.

Uhm, it's called being manipulative. Manipulative is the word that you are looking for.

Innocent to you maybe but not to the oppressed

I spent several months in Yasothon and Buri Ram a few years ago (after the coup) and none of my Thai hosts had any complaints about the govt. nor did anyone seem oppressed.

I have noticed that many Thais, being Buddhist, seem to live 'in the moment' and don't worry about the future too much. What's that song they school children like to sing? que sera, sera. This attitude leads to shortsightedness. What kind of democracy can you get with suicide bombers? All current suicide bombers are trying to destroy democracy and bring Sharia Law. Does Dr. Taksin think he can make life so miserable in Thailand that the govt. and army will roll over and give him the keys to the country. Many thousand innocents will die before anyone in power is directly affected. The rich will be rich even if all tourists stop coming. There is nothing realistically to be gained here except Dr. Taksin using the reds to get his 'pound of flesh' revenge on Thailand for spoiling his plan to become the Hun Sen of Thailand. Without Dr. Taksin's money for the leadership of the reds, there would be no leadership of the reds and therefore no sertous red movement. All this trouble comes from one man who feels, rightfully or wrongfully, he is 'owed'.

As to the threat, and it is a threat not a warning, all they have to do is ask some poor innocent to carry a package into a mall and detonate it by cellphone. You will have your 'suicide' bomber, unwitting yes, and who can prove otherwise because the 'bomber is in small bits. Yes, this could get ugly, I suggest a trade to the Russians: Victor Bout for Dr. T's neutralisation.

[csolgosz]

Good point to be aware of. Somyos is a media sensationalist that does not have the support of a lot of Red Shirt people. His statements (if he actually said them, and he was not misrepresented by The Nation) may well be his own radical wishes, but I know that other moderates like Sombat would oppose it. One would hope that Sombat (Mirror Foundation) could rise high in Thai politics, as he is a man who has worthy values and will not promote violence, rather a needed social revolution.

The OP said:

A red-shirt leader warned Thursday certain red-shirt people may turn suicide bombers to avenge the government crackdowns and fight for democracy. The warning was made by Somyos Prueksakasemsuk

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Somyos is the editor of such intelligently heady publications as Red Power, Red News, and the Voice of Taksin:

Somyot Pruksakasemsuk, leader of the June 24 group and editor of Red Power magazine

Coincidentally, the person making these demands, Somyos Prueksakasemsuk, is the Editor of such "truthful" publications as the Voice of Taksin and Red News

[Pi Sek]

Good point to be aware of. Somyos is a media sensationalist that does not have the support of a lot of Red Shirt people.

Really? How come he's now the one leading the red shirts?

I suppose it's one of those things like "not all red shirts support Thaksin".

Chai mai?

[ianf]

When i see it i will believe it!

A Thai to sacrifice his/her life for the sake of movement? let alone anything else-LOL

It should read more like "we the leaders will temper with bombs so they blow up unexpectedly" and to save a face will say that those hero's died for the movement.

as is said already, they gave there lives about 91 kept fightin' even after many of them got killed

YEAH, i am sure those 91 were prepared to die.

But if you wish to insists, then explain to me why did they end up going home and not just keep on fighting? why did they start to burn BKK rather then fight with the army? and why did they hide behind the barricades rather then just walking into the bullets?

Surely being shot point blank would of made a huge difference not only for the movement but also for the face of the government.

Muslims (extremist) fight and die for their believe's and faith. IRA fought for the freedom(i could be wrong) so what do Thai red shirts fight for?

Both the IRA and the Muslim movements fought/fight for an ideology. There is no coherent ideology that drives the red shirts. There was no ideology that drove Hitler's national socialists. Only emotional manipulation in both caes. Very dangerous.

[kuffki]

When i see it i will believe it!

A Thai to sacrifice his/her life for the sake of movement? let alone anything else-LOL

It should read more like "we the leaders will temper with bombs so they blow up unexpectedly" and to save a face will say that those hero's died for the movement.

as is said already, they gave there lives about 91 kept fightin' even after many of them got killed

YEAH, i am sure those 91 were prepared to die.

But if you wish to insists, then explain to me why did they end up going home and not just keep on fighting? why did they start to burn BKK rather then fight with the army? and why did they hide behind the barricades rather then just walking into the bullets?

Surely being shot point blank would of made a huge difference not only for the movement but also for the face of the government.

Muslims (extremist) fight and die for their believe's and faith. IRA fought for the freedom(i could be wrong) so what do Thai red shirts fight for?

Both the IRA and the Muslim movements fought/fight for an ideology. There is no coherent ideology that drives the red shirts. There was no ideology that drove Hitler's national socialists. Only emotional manipulation in both caes. Very dangerous.

Hitler was a mentally sick man who was diagnosed with a number of deseases which included Schizophrenia,Paranoid personality disorder and few others(sorry do not recall now what they were) and again do not forget germans did not have Kamikaze

[mca]

Hitler was a mentally sick man who was diagnosed with a number of deseases which included Schizophrenia, Paranoid personality disorder and few others(sorry do not recall now what they were)

Alzheimer's?

[SergeiY]

Both the IRA and the Muslim movements fought/fight for an ideology. There is no coherent ideology that drives the red shirts. There was no ideology that drove Hitler's national socialists. Only emotional manipulation in both caes. Very dangerous.

Nonsense.