Local Villagers Confront PAD Supporters In Surin

[SergeiY]

"Some Rangers and 50 troops...."

"100 local villagers...."

"200 PAD suppporters..heading to the Ta Muen Thom Temple in Ban Nong Khanna village in Tambon Tamien in Phanom Dongrak."

THAT'S problem with The Nation's reporting. They don't supply any background information, leaving the readers totally in the blind, WHY 200 PAD suppprters wanted to go to that temple on a lazy Saturday afternoon at 4 PM, just before it's getting dark....

It's poor BS reporting.

LaoPo

I agree it's a weakly presented article, but it's good that we have Sergei on the scene to fill in any gaps the journalists left.

No problem, you are welcome.

Just don't believe that bullshit that its Red Shirts related or that Thaksin is behind the motivation of the villager to stop the PAD supporter.

[Buchholz]

"Some Rangers and 50 troops...."

"100 local villagers...."

"200 PAD suppporters..heading to the Ta Muen Thom Temple in Ban Nong Khanna village in Tambon Tamien in Phanom Dongrak."

THAT'S problem with The Nation's reporting. They don't supply any background information, leaving the readers totally in the blind, WHY 200 PAD suppprters wanted to go to that temple on a lazy Saturday afternoon at 4 PM, just before it's getting dark....

It's poor BS reporting.

LaoPo

I agree it's a weakly presented article, but it's good that we have Sergei on the scene to fill in any gaps the journalists left.

No problem, you are welcome.

Just don't believe that bullshit that its Red Shirts related or that Thaksin is behind the motivation of the villager to stop the PAD supporter.

What's the weather like there in Surin this evening?

[Buchholz]

It's not an answer then as nothing was said in the article about PAD's motivations or plans, but Sergei knows why they are at the temple as well as why they are not. As for myself, I'd wait for additional information from a more reliable source before deciding what the PAD motivations and plans are and what they are not.

You are absolutely correct........they are having a picnic.......such a lovely area......better than any other picnic area in Thailand.......how silly of those who think otherwise.......

You could have along wait for information you find acceptable....as you were not capable of making the initial link to Cambodia......and you appear to be reluctant to admit you didn't quite get it right on this thread......

What didn't I get right on this thread? I just wondered what was going on as no one knows. Not I. Not Sergei. Not you.

We can certainly guess about what the major missing parts are of the article, but personally I'd rather wait for something a bit more tangible.

I'm not waiting for information I find acceptable. I'm just waiting for information, period.

[473geo]

The rain has stopped in Surin and reaping begins tomorrow........

[geriatrickid]

[going to a temple is "creating trouble"?

It is, if there is an intent to sow the seeds of violence and disharmony. Temples are supposed to be off limits for political rallies or any activitiy that creates disharmony and feelings of ill will. You wouldn't be saying that if the Redshirts had held a rally at a Temple. In fact your friends at the Nation do not agree with you, nor does the current government.

To most Thais, a temple provides a spiritual sanctuary. We go to temples in search of respite and peace, and some will find them there. Political rallies on temple grounds not only tear apart this delicate security blanket for our society, they expose this neutral and venerable institution to the process of politicisation that has swallowed up almost every institution and aspect of our social fabric in recent years.......................

King Rama I issued a series of ecclesiastical laws intended to restore the discipline and pious nature of the religion and to create a wall of separation between religion and politics. The intention was for religion and politics to maintain a healthy symbiotic relationship as each pursued its own growth, separately and independently, in its respective role in society. That has been the tradition until today. In politics the end can justify unjustifiable means. ....................

A temple is not a detergent and can never be the bond that bridges two incongruous political elements. All it did in this case was provide unwarranted validation to the unwarrantable...............................................

Extracted From Opinion: TELL IT AS IT IS - Water and oil don't mix, neither do politics and religion

By Pornpimol Kanchanalak, Published in Nation on January 15, 2009, Condemning the use of Temples for political rallies.

Edited October 23, 2010 by geriatrickid

[Skywalker69]

locals want their peace not disturbed by agitation and political missioners

It's just an example of red democracy. "We are allowed to gather and air our views, but no one else is".

100% true, thanks for the post.

[LaoPo]

Is that what you do? Write to news sources when you are curious about an event?

I don't.

There are far too many events.

I would, if the news is important enough but not about a minor local incident like this one.

But, such a request by myself is rather seldom since the quality of the news reporters/journalists from the media that I usually read are superior to their Thai colleagues.

Note: but you wrote that you would wait for a more reliable source; that could take a long time in Thailand....and that's why I suggested to write to the Media, asking for an explanation about the 200 PAD supporters, visiting a highly disputed Temple.

LaoPo

Edited October 23, 2010 by LaoPo

[craigt3365]

This issue have nothing to do with RED vs. YELLOW. These villager live there in peace with their Cambodian neighbors, they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble.

There has been numerous clashes over this temple and quite a few soldiers have been killed. My wife's uncle is a border patrol agent and has been there several times looking across the border at armed Cambodian soldiers, and probably shooting back at them. A tense situation for sure. This is from Wikipedia. I wouldn't call this peaceful:

The ongoing conflict between Cambodia and Thailand over the site has led to outbreaks of violence. In April of 2009, 66 stones at the temple were damaged by shooting from Thai soldiers across the border.[18] This shooting came after another violent outburst in October of 2008. In February 2010, the Cambodian government filed a formal letter of complaint with Google Maps for inaccurately representing the border established by the International Court of Justice in 1962.[19]

There has been a lot of violence over this temple...

Again, that has nothing to do with red vs. yellow.

It does have a bit to do with red vs. yellow. Hun Sen wanted to visit the site earlier this year, from the Thai side, and the PAD led a protest that stopped the visit. They are protesting Cambodia's movement to get Preah Vihear Temple listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site as being their temple. The Thai's and Cambodian's have been fighting this for years. And let's see...about that time Thaksin was financial advisor to Cambodia. So PAD protested his visit. Seems to be red vs. yellow for sure.

And I'll bet the villagers are all red shirt supporters? Just a guess...

Here's a link to the Wiki article....interesting reading for sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preah_Vihear_Temple

Here's what happened during Hun Sen's last visit. He put a spell on Abhisit!!!! How funny:

Before leaving the area, Hun Sen presided over the inauguration of Ta Moan village in Oddar Meanchey province, some five to six kilometres away from the temple, Thanet said. Thai troops retreated after his departure, he said.

During the opening ceremony, Hun Sen launched a verbal attack on Abhisit.

Abhisit said on Sunday that Hun Sen's visit to Preah Vihear would help Thailand claim possession of the area surrounding the Temple.

Hun Sen visited the Temple on Saturday and accused Thai troops of invading Cambodia. Abhisit said later that day that Hun Sen's accusation meant the Cambodian leader accepted Thai ownership.

Hun Sen put a curse on Abhisit.

"If you don't tell the truth about Thai troops invading Cambodia, let magic objects break your neck, may you be shot, be hit by a car, may you be shocked by electricity or (may you be shot) by misfired guns."

[whybother]

Different temples I think ....

[craigt3365]

Different temples I think ....

For sure a different temple, but they are listed together in the reports I have read. Here is one report:

"About 70 Thais have been at the 13th Century Ta Moan temple complex since Thursday, the Cambodians say.

The Thai foreign ministry has denied any troops have moved into the area.

The two nations have for weeks been locked in a military stand-off over disputed land further east, around the ancient Preah Vihear temples. "

So they seem to be linked via a border dispute.

That Wiki article is interesting in that it goes into the history of the temple and why both countries are fighting over it. Seems in 1962 Preah Vihear was awarded to the Cambodian's by an international court... contentious for sure!

[whybother]

For sure a different temple, but they are listed together in the reports I have read. Here is one report:

"About 70 Thais have been at the 13th Century Ta Moan temple complex since Thursday, the Cambodians say.

The Thai foreign ministry has denied any troops have moved into the area.

The two nations have for weeks been locked in a military stand-off over disputed land further east, around the ancient Preah Vihear temples. "

So they seem to be linked via a border dispute.

That Wiki article is interesting in that it goes into the history of the temple and why both countries are fighting over it. Seems in 1962 Preah Vihear was awarded to the Cambodian's by an international court... contentious for sure!

There was a whole thread (or 5) on the Phrear Vihear issue.

Summary is:

- In about 1904 (or 1906) the Thai's gave up their hold on areas of Cambodia to avoid war with France.

- A map was commissioned detailing the new border.

- In this area, the watershed of the mountain range was being used as the borderline.

- For some reason, the temple was placed on the Cambodian side in the official map, even though it was on the Thai side of the watershed.

- This was disputed for some time, so the Cambodians took it to the world court, who ruled in their favour.

- The court ruled on the temple area only, and not on the surrounding land, which is still in dispute.

I don't believe the Ta Muen Thom Temple is in dispute (as far as the official maps are concerned).

[harrypatterson]

I am farang and so as to who wins between red and yellow I could not care less. But does anyone really believe that the villagers would have bothered these protesters if they were redshirts? Nothing to do with people not wanting to be bothered. Only about politics.

[Buchholz]

[going to a temple is "creating trouble"?

It is, if there is an intent to sow the seeds of violence

Wasn't any of that in the article as to what their intent is.

But if we are now into the realm of the futuristic movie, Minority Report, where criminal acts are known before they are committed, then that's an interesting development, indeed.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/

[Buchholz]

Is that what you do? Write to news sources when you are curious about an event?

I don't.

There are far too many events.

I would, if the news is important enough but not about a minor local incident like this one.

But, such a request by myself is rather seldom since the quality of the news reporters/journalists from the media that I usually read are superior to their Thai colleagues.

Note: but you wrote that you would wait for a more reliable source; that could take a long time in Thailand....and that's why I suggested to write to the Media, asking for an explanation about the 200 PAD supporters, visiting a highly disputed Temple.

LaoPo

I said I would wait for a source more reliable than Thaivisa's own Sergei as he was the only one attempting to fill the gaps in the story left by a weak article.

I wouldn't expect that to take very long at all.

Oh look, here comes one now. It's the old guy that rides around selling brooms on his dilapidated motorcycle/sidecar, all the while muttering to himself. Yep, definitely a more reliable source for information than Sergei.

Edited October 24, 2010 by Buchholz

[Ricardo]

And I doubt Thaksin is hiding there, but it seems some brave forum members think otherwise. Would be interesting to know where do they got redshirt/thaksin= villagers nonsense from. Paranoia maybe or yellow trolls.

Do you have a source, for thinking that the PAD-supporters believed "Thaksin is hiding there", as I can't see anything to suggest that in the OP, or subsequent posts ?

I agree that redshirts=villagers is often nonsense, but I thought pro-Thaksin posters were supposed to believe, that the vast majority of Thais still support Thaksin's bought-and-paid-for red-shirt movement ? Or is that no-longer the case ?

[jayboy]

locals want their peace not disturbed by agitation and political missioners

Red cheerleaders will say anything, anything to support their side. Some learn well from their master Thaksin.

Are you a little yellow brain?

This issue have nothing to do with RED vs. YELLOW. These villager live there in peace with their Cambodian neighbors, they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble.

going to a temple is "creating trouble"?

In the case of these quasi fascist and hyper nationalist PAD thugs, yes it is

[rametindallas]

[going to a temple is "creating trouble"?

It is, if there is an intent to sow the seeds of violence and disharmony. Temples are supposed to be off limits for political rallies or any activitiy that creates disharmony and feelings of ill will. You wouldn't be saying that if the Redshirts had held a rally at a Temple. In fact your friends at the Nation do not agree with you, nor does the current government.

To most Thais, a temple provides a spiritual sanctuary. We go to temples in search of respite and peace, and some will find them there. Political rallies on temple grounds not only tear apart this delicate security blanket for our society, they expose this neutral and venerable institution to the process of politicisation that has swallowed up almost every institution and aspect of our social fabric in recent years.......................

King Rama I issued a series of ecclesiastical laws intended to restore the discipline and pious nature of the religion and to create a wall of separation between religion and politics. The intention was for religion and politics to maintain a healthy symbiotic relationship as each pursued its own growth, separately and independently, in its respective role in society. That has been the tradition until today. In politics the end can justify unjustifiable means. ....................

A temple is not a detergent and can never be the bond that bridges two incongruous political elements. All it did in this case was provide unwarranted validation to the unwarrantable...............................................

Extracted From Opinion: TELL IT AS IT IS - Water and oil don't mix, neither do politics and religion

By Pornpimol Kanchanalak, Published in Nation on January 15, 2009, Condemning the use of Temples for political rallies.

If this is an active temple with monks, you are correct. If it is a ruin, any one or group should be able to visit it. No one would even know PAD (whom I disdain) were there if not for the locals raising stink about it. The PAD is better allowed to slide into a distant bad memory and irrelevancy.

[craigt3365]

going to a temple is "creating trouble"?

In the case of these quasi fascist and hyper nationalist PAD thugs, yes it is

I hear ya, but if one of the reasons for their march was to protest Cambodia trying to take over Preah Vihear and the associated temple, then I can understand their reasons. It has been a long and hard battle and as we all know, Cambodia and Thailand are not the best of friends. Didn't some singer do a song a few years ago that caused the Cambodian's to burn down the Thai Embassy in PP as well as burn pics of the king? My memory on that is a bit faded....

[Buchholz]

But if we are now into the realm of the futuristic movie, Minority Report, where criminal acts are known before they are committed, then that's an interesting development, indeed.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/

going to a temple is "creating trouble"?

In the case of these quasi fascist and hyper nationalist PAD thugs, yes it is

Thank you for the input, Mr. Cruise.

Any other future crimes on your Minority Report dashboard?

[LikeHeat]

locals want their peace not disturbed by agitation and political missioners

Red cheerleaders will say anything, anything to support their side. Some learn well from their master Thaksin.

Are you a little yellow brain?

This issue have nothing to do with RED vs. YELLOW. These villager live there in peace with their Cambodian neighbors, they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble.

Hopefully you will have the same viewpoint when the Reds come to Bangkok to show people they have concerns. I suspect you will think that is OK, but maybe you can tell us what you think about this.

[craigt3365]

locals want their peace not disturbed by agitation and political missioners

Red cheerleaders will say anything, anything to support their side. Some learn well from their master Thaksin.

Are you a little yellow brain?

This issue have nothing to do with RED vs. YELLOW. These villager live there in peace with their Cambodian neighbors, they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble.

Hopefully you will have the same viewpoint when the Reds come to Bangkok to show people they have concerns. I suspect you will think that is OK, but maybe you can tell us what you think about this.

He never responds to the hard questions...just posts drivel and then disappears...

[473geo]

He never responds to the hard questions...just posts drivel and then disappears...

With the exception a few sensible, non politically motivated posters, on this thread it would appear he is in very similar company!!!!

[rubl]

He never responds to the hard questions...just posts drivel and then disappears...

With the exception a few sensible, non politically motivated posters, on this thread it would appear he is in very similar company!!!!

Every once in a while all of us need a mirror, me included

Edited October 24, 2010 by rubl

[slapout]

He never responds to the hard questions...just posts drivel and then disappears...

With the exception a few sensible, non politically motivated posters, on this thread it would appear he is in very similar company!!!!

This kind seem to have a hard time concentrating, thus they have a tendency to go from one topic to another and make posts/remarks which can come from left field, thus they tend to aggravate others. Kind of like the small dog who marks all the tires on the street, and then retreats under the gate to his self proclaimed safe heaven. The similarity to other often referenced individuals is kind of obvious.

[chantorn]

locals want their peace not disturbed by agitation and political missioners

Red cheerleaders will say anything, anything to support their side. Some learn well from their master Thaksin.

Are you a little yellow brain?

This issue have nothing to do with RED vs. YELLOW. These villager live there in peace with their Cambodian neighbors, they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble.

"..............they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble."

Please remember this sentiment in your future posts.

If Thailand were to invade Cambodia (or the other way round), there will be no such border problem left.

Sooner or later the war will ignite (so is World War 3); so why wait.

Get the job done and finish with in.

[Throatwobbler]

locals want their peace not disturbed by agitation and political missioners

Red cheerleaders will say anything, anything to support their side. Some learn well from their master Thaksin.

Are you a little yellow brain?

This issue have nothing to do with RED vs. YELLOW. These villager live there in peace with their Cambodian neighbors, they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble.

"..............they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble."

Please remember this sentiment in your future posts.

I can't believe people still respond to Sergei. He's nothing but a troll. Don't give him the time of day.

[473geo]

Every once in a while all of us need a mirror, me included

Unfortunately looking in a mirror will not assist those who view the image with one eye closed, or lack the ability to link an image to the part of the brain that facilitates logical unbiased reasoning...

I certainly would never expect the political discussion addicts on TVisa to see any image other than that which supports their cause.

[SergeiY]

lol

Ones you spoiled their chance to rant about Thaksin and Red shirt in an unrelated topics you have the bullies on your back.

[SergeiY]

locals want their peace not disturbed by agitation and political missioners

Red cheerleaders will say anything, anything to support their side. Some learn well from their master Thaksin.

Are you a little yellow brain?

This issue have nothing to do with RED vs. YELLOW. These villager live there in peace with their Cambodian neighbors, they don't need some lunatic nationalists from outside creating trouble.

Hopefully you will have the same viewpoint when the Reds come to Bangkok to show people they have concerns. I suspect you will think that is OK, but maybe you can tell us what you think about this.

Dude, it isn't a red vs. yellow issue.

The villagers have their peaceful village life together with their neighbors. And i can understand that non of them wants that their village is turned into a front that sees the the people of the other side as arch-enemy.

Is that issue so difficult to understand?

I am pretty sure that also the villagers on the Cambodian side have no interest that some Cambodian politician from the Phnom Penh creating a front on their side.

Both side of the border are more closer to each other as they are to their respective central powers.

The yellows can hold their rally in Bangkok, the capital of Thailand (and not exactly a small village) to address their national concerns.

[craigt3365]

ugh...it never gets through, does it....

throatwobbler: I'm with you on that one....I'm done...