UN Sec-Gen Meets Thai PM As Red Shirts Submit Petition At UN Bangkok

[rubl]

I think it is many people in here that are missing the point, the point is they are highlighting the issue in any way they can.

To be honest I would point the finger at the illustrious new head of the army who had the mentality 'please don't protest, it will make the country look bad to foreigners' when we want to talk about people being clueless about the outside world.

The point is that the red delegations knew before that the UN already had various reports on the Thai situation and not only from the government. They also knew Mr. Ban would be here less than eight hours or so and would hardly have the time to give each delegation more than 2 minutes. That's why k. Somyos decided to read this message outside the UN building, better propaganda. Probably filmed. Soon some will say 'the government wouldn't let us see Mr. Ban'. You may hate reds and communists, but oh, they always have been good at this type of propaganda.

Edited October 26, 2010 by rubl

[rubl]

Did the Thai press get it wrong again??

Are we the fools to believe what they print??

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/10/26/letter-to-ban-ki-moon-on-human-rights-in-thailand/

Mr.Ban Ki-moon

Secretary General

United Nations

1st Avenue, 46th Street

New York NY 10017

USA

October 26, 2010

Dear Sir,

We are writing to you on behalf of the Thai people who need a true democracy, equal treatment, and human rights the same as people in democratic countries across the world. As the United Nations Secretary General, we would appreciate your concern and actions about the undemocratic conditions and violations of human rights in Thailand by Mr. Abhisit Vejjajiva�s government since his Democrat Party came to power in January 2009 through underhanded tactics with the support of the military.

In its one year and more in power, the Abhisit government has corrupted and distorted democratic principles, abused human rights, sacrificed freedom of speech and expression of the people, and destroyed the rule of law. The violent crackdown against red shirt demonstrators by the Ahbisit government during April-May 2010 led to the tragedy of more than 91 deaths, thousands of injured, and hundreds of disappeared and imprisoned. In addition, many community radio stations and political web sites were closed down, and more innocents opposed to the current government have been charged and jailed without fair treatment.

The Abhisit government not only refuses to take responsibility for the massacre of red shirts but also uses the Thai media under its complete control to bombard Thai society with distorted information, suggesting without any evidence that the 91 deaths and thousands of injured might have been caused by terrorists who mingled with the red shirt protestors. The Abhisit government used the word �terrorists� to deceive society and justify the use of heavy weapons and live ammunition to kill and maim hundreds of peaceful demonstrators.

Hundreds of people have been imprisoned across the country since May 2010 without fair treatment or the possibility of release on bail. In contrast, the crimes against humanity done by the Abhisit government during April-May 2010 have not been transparently and honestly investigated by acceptable neutral agencies. Furthermore, the state emergency decree that suppresses the basic rights of the people is still enforced in some provinces including Bangkok.

To stop the human rights violations and violence by the Abhisit government, we would like to ask the United Nations, as the representative of the world�s nations, for immediate action to help save innocent lives and bring back basic rights to the Thai people.

With help from the United Nations, we believe that political prisoners could be freed or given bail. The state emergency decree should be lifted across Thailand; freedom of speech, press, and expression should be returned to all Thai people; and fair treatment with respect to human rights should be taken seriously by the current Thai government.

Sincerely,

Progressive Democracy Group

While we are at it we would also humbly ask you to re-evaluate the human rights violations perpetrated during the PM-ship of K. Thaksin. We are sincerely worried and upset at the lack of cooperation by the UN to investigate the slaughter which saw 2500+ extra-judicial killings in the 'war on drugs'.

Furthermore we ask the United Nations, as the representative of the world's nations, for immediate action to help save innocent lives in the current flooding disaster.

Respectfully yours,

a concerned citizen

[chantorn]

Did the Thai press get it wrong again??

Are we the fools to believe what they print??

http://asiapacific.a...ts-in-thailand/

Mr.Ban Ki-moon

Secretary General

United Nations

1st Avenue, 46th Street

New York NY 10017

USA

October 26, 2010

Dear Sir,

We are writing to you on behalf of the Thai people who need a true democracy, equal treatment, and human rights the same as people in democratic countries across the world. As the United Nations Secretary General, we would appreciate your concern and actions about the undemocratic conditions and violations of human rights in Thailand by Mr. Abhisit Vejjajiva's government since his Democrat Party came to power in January 2009 through underhanded tactics with the support of the military.

In its one year and more in power, the Abhisit government has corrupted and distorted democratic principles, abused human rights, sacrificed freedom of speech and expression of the people, and destroyed the rule of law. The violent crackdown against red shirt demonstrators by the Ahbisit government during April-May 2010 led to the tragedy of more than 91 deaths, thousands of injured, and hundreds of disappeared and imprisoned. In addition, many community radio stations and political web sites were closed down, and more innocents opposed to the current government have been charged and jailed without fair treatment.

The Abhisit government not only refuses to take responsibility for the massacre of red shirts but also uses the Thai media under its complete control to bombard Thai society with distorted information, suggesting without any evidence that the 91 deaths and thousands of injured might have been caused by terrorists who mingled with the red shirt protestors. The Abhisit government used the word "terrorists" to deceive society and justify the use of heavy weapons and live ammunition to kill and maim hundreds of peaceful demonstrators.

Hundreds of people have been imprisoned across the country since May 2010 without fair treatment or the possibility of release on bail. In contrast, the crimes against humanity done by the Abhisit government during April-May 2010 have not been transparently and honestly investigated by acceptable neutral agencies. Furthermore, the state emergency decree that suppresses the basic rights of the people is still enforced in some provinces including Bangkok.

To stop the human rights violations and violence by the Abhisit government, we would like to ask the United Nations, as the representative of the world's nations, for immediate action to help save innocent lives and bring back basic rights to the Thai people.

With help from the United Nations, we believe that political prisoners could be freed or given bail. The state emergency decree should be lifted across Thailand; freedom of speech, press, and expression should be returned to all Thai people; and fair treatment with respect to human rights should be taken seriously by the current Thai government.

Sincerely,

Progressive Democracy Group

Moon already said he does not give a darn, as it is an internal affair. Get it.

[chantorn]

Ban Ki Boon.

Funny coincident? Both "Ki" & "Moon" have the same meaning in Thai. I'll let you Farang find out yourself. Go ask your bar-girls.

[rubl]

Ban Ki Boon.

Funny coincident? Both "Ki" & "Moon" have the same meaning in Thai. I'll let you Farang find out yourself. Go ask your bar-girls.

You're disrespectful, my dear. You're talking about the man some Thais have just petitioned to safe them from this horrible government lead by PM Abhisit. Go wash your mouth with soap

[SergeiY]

Red shirts once again displaying their limited understanding of how the (outside) world actually works.

Worthy of a repost, but at the time many people were also upset with the govt for not doing something sooner to deal with this lot:

You all must be color blind. I saw only orange-ish red shirt. All others does not wear red-shirt at all.

I suppose 1 sparrow does make a summer?

probably a frame or a set-up. just like the latest videos about the democrats meeting one from the courts.

Is the cameraman and the one who uploaded it to youtube arrested yet or fleed they to HongKong too?

[Skywalker69]

It is all about publicity and news cycles and nothing to do with what can and cant be done by the UN

You´r 100% right.

[sevenhills]

Red shirts once again displaying their limited understanding of how the (outside) world actually works.

Worthy of a repost, but at the time many people were also upset with the govt for not doing something sooner to deal with this lot:

You all must be color blind. I saw only orange-ish red shirt. All others does not wear red-shirt at all.

I suppose 1 sparrow does make a summer?

1 Sparrow make small soup, not summer.

[Skywalker69]

How does the UN grant political asylum?

Doesn't a country need to do that, and don't they need to get to that country to actually get asylum?

This show the extend of the intelligent of the Red Shirt and their puppet leader.

Plus since when United Nation has solved any conflict. They are another organization who employees people and basically are a place of employments. I have never seen that UN was able to do anything good. Somalia, West Bank, Iraq, etc. etc are some examples. They are like Thai government they only pay attention to what worked automatically and shy away from real problems

Not to forget the genocide in Rwanda 800 000 dead in about 4-5 weeks.

[animatic]

How does the UN grant political asylum?

Doesn't a country need to do that, and don't they need to get to that country to actually get asylum?

Well that shows how much the red leader who proposed that knows about

how the UN functions and what it is: Very little.

Where does he plan that they live? In the UN building in NYC?

Move into the UN offices in Bangkok... which incidentally is not

sovereign territory like and embassy.

Edited October 26, 2010 by animatic

[scorecard]

So, asking for asylum, then condemning the man in charge of the party you're asking asylum from? These guys need proper lessons in etiquette or a really, really good PR company.

Another question: When you ask for political asylum from the U.N., where are you to go? Within the compounds of various U.N. offices? Okay, sure, here, I'm sending you all to Darfur?

Hmmmm.....maybe that doesn't sound so bad.

I was half expcting amsterdam or his side kick kours to throw in a major press release at the same time.

On another slant, amsterdam and kours have been pretty quiet, is there a message in that?

[scorecard]

Did the Thai press get it wrong again??

Are we the fools to believe what they print??

http://asiapacific.a...ts-in-thailand/

Mr.Ban Ki-moon

Secretary General

United Nations

1st Avenue, 46th Street

New York NY 10017

USA

October 26, 2010

Dear Sir,

We are writing to you on behalf of the Thai people who need a true democracy, equal treatment, and human rights the same as people in democratic countries across the world. As the United Nations Secretary General, we would appreciate your concern and actions about the undemocratic conditions and violations of human rights in Thailand by Mr. Abhisit Vejjajiva's government since his Democrat Party came to power in January 2009 through underhanded tactics with the support of the military.

In its one year and more in power, the Abhisit government has corrupted and distorted democratic principles, abused human rights, sacrificed freedom of speech and expression of the people, and destroyed the rule of law. The violent crackdown against red shirt demonstrators by the Ahbisit government during April-May 2010 led to the tragedy of more than 91 deaths, thousands of injured, and hundreds of disappeared and imprisoned. In addition, many community radio stations and political web sites were closed down, and more innocents opposed to the current government have been charged and jailed without fair treatment.

The Abhisit government not only refuses to take responsibility for the massacre of red shirts but also uses the Thai media under its complete control to bombard Thai society with distorted information, suggesting without any evidence that the 91 deaths and thousands of injured might have been caused by terrorists who mingled with the red shirt protestors. The Abhisit government used the word "terrorists" to deceive society and justify the use of heavy weapons and live ammunition to kill and maim hundreds of peaceful demonstrators.

Hundreds of people have been imprisoned across the country since May 2010 without fair treatment or the possibility of release on bail. In contrast, the crimes against humanity done by the Abhisit government during April-May 2010 have not been transparently and honestly investigated by acceptable neutral agencies. Furthermore, the state emergency decree that suppresses the basic rights of the people is still enforced in some provinces including Bangkok.

To stop the human rights violations and violence by the Abhisit government, we would like to ask the United Nations, as the representative of the world's nations, for immediate action to help save innocent lives and bring back basic rights to the Thai people.

With help from the United Nations, we believe that political prisoners could be freed or given bail. The state emergency decree should be lifted across Thailand; freedom of speech, press, and expression should be returned to all Thai people; and fair treatment with respect to human rights should be taken seriously by the current Thai government.

Sincerely,

Progressive Democracy Group

Moon already said he does not give a darn, as it is an internal affair. Get it.

So now we have another mob:

- The Progressive Democracy group. But here's a question: What is 'Progressive Democracy" compared to 'Democracy"?

The content of the letter to the UN Sec., Gen., is classic Jatuporn and ilk, just wonder if the writers realize the numerous ironies in the letter content, again and again it mentions items which could be thrown right back at the reds (sorry the Progressive Democracy Group, the PDG), and also throw right back at thaksin.

[rubl]

So, asking for asylum, then condemning the man in charge of the party you're asking asylum from? These guys need proper lessons in etiquette or a really, really good PR company.

Another question: When you ask for political asylum from the U.N., where are you to go? Within the compounds of various U.N. offices? Okay, sure, here, I'm sending you all to Darfur?

Hmmmm.....maybe that doesn't sound so bad.

I was half expcting amsterdam or his side kick kours to throw in a major press release at the same time.

On another slant, amsterdam and kours have been pretty quiet, is there a message in that?

There was an article in the Jerusalem Post on the 17th this month. I liked the part about the 19th of Sept. gathering 'Defying a strict state of emergency decree still in place four months on, thousands of Red Shirts gathered in Bangkok’s posh commercial heart to mourn their movement’s martyrs.' Completely ignoring that the government through the police had gracefully allowed it under agreed conditions.

www.jpost.com/JerusalemReport/Article.aspx?id=190706

[chantorn]

How does the UN grant political asylum?

Doesn't a country need to do that, and don't they need to get to that country to actually get asylum?

This show the extend of the intelligent of the Red Shirt and their puppet leader.

Plus since when United Nation has solved any conflict. They are another organization who employees people and basically are a place of employments. I have never seen that UN was able to do anything good. Somalia, West Bank, Iraq, etc. etc are some examples. They are like Thai government they only pay attention to what worked automatically and shy away from real problems

Not to forget the genocide in Rwanda 800 000 dead in about 4-5 weeks.

Rawanda problems is also a domestic problem. The Rawandan can fit it. Not for the UN to interfere.

[craigt3365]

How does the UN grant political asylum?

Doesn't a country need to do that, and don't they need to get to that country to actually get asylum?

This show the extend of the intelligent of the Red Shirt and their puppet leader.

Plus since when United Nation has solved any conflict. They are another organization who employees people and basically are a place of employments. I have never seen that UN was able to do anything good. Somalia, West Bank, Iraq, etc. etc are some examples. They are like Thai government they only pay attention to what worked automatically and shy away from real problems

Not to forget the genocide in Rwanda 800 000 dead in about 4-5 weeks.

Rawanda problems is also a domestic problem. The Rawandan can fit it. Not for the UN to interfere.

Actually, that is the charter of the UN. To assist. If you are saving 800,000 people, I would hardly call it interference. Here is one item from their charter:

to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest

And a link so you can further educate yourself:

http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/preamble.shtml

With that being said, the UN is a toothless organization. They debate helping out for so long, that thousands die. Why? Most of the member countries don't care that much. And don't want to get involved or their own dirty laundry will get exposed. It is dysfunctional and EXTREMELY political. Many representatives from the various member countries are relatives of rich people or people in power from their country and are just in NYC for the fun of it. Wow...kinda sounds like here?

[hyperdimension]

Somyos told reporters said he was disappointed to see Ban shake hand with Abhisit. "We are very disappointed to see that hand shaking. Abhisit has his blood on his hands as his government violated basic human rights," he said.

He said "Ban Ki Moon should be condemned for shaking hands with murderer. We don't need to meet Ban in person. We were disappointed that the UN failed to ensure peace in Thailand during the protests in April and May this year."

Somyos invited Ban to meet the red shirts leaders who are gathering in front of The UN building at 2 PM this afternoon after having lunch with Abhisit.

He says "We don't need to meet Ban in person", yet he invites Ban to meet them outside the UN building. Could it have been to tell Ban that he was a fool to shake hands with Abhisit the murderer and spit in his face? That would be in line with usual UDD style. It would have been no surprise if such an invitation was declined, whether or not he had the time. Edited October 27, 2010 by hyperdimension