Thai Judges Threaten Defamation Lawsuit

[chantorn]

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ohmygod3009#g/u

The government is about to block access to truth. How can I save the youtube recordings onto my computer? Anyone please help.

[chantorn]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/10/31/politics/More-clips-posted-on-Net-30141214.html

More clips posted on Net

By ATTAYUTH BUTRSRIPOOM,

KORNCHANOK RAKSASERI,

PRAVIT ROJANAPHRUK

THE NATION

Published on October 31, 2010

[rubl]

Now I understand why a month ago K. Jatuporn said to have clips and to show them in a few weeks time. Probably k. Pasit has been so busy taping that our dear MP needs time to watch it all and select only the juicy bits which he likes. Maybe a search warrant is required to find a few more tapes?

At least this distracts nicely from the Nonthaburi 'bomb making 101' failure, the PTP MP with his qualified secretary who is a good friend of his daughter, some ChiangMai business man and the transfer of money to a fugitive. Well done PTP. If only k. Chalerm wouldn't have warned for violent protests all would be red right.

[Buchholz]

Now I understand why a month ago K. Jatuporn said to have clips and to show them in a few weeks time. Probably k. Pasit has been so busy taping that our dear MP needs time to watch it all and select only the juicy bits which he likes. Maybe a search warrant is required to find a few more tapes?

At least this distracts nicely from the Nonthaburi 'bomb making 101' failure, the PTP MP with his qualified secretary who is a good friend of his daughter, some ChiangMai business man and the transfer of money to a fugitive. Well done PTP. If only k. Chalerm wouldn't have warned for violent protests all would be red right.

It also detracts from other PTP MP's hiring a Red Shirt Guard Leader and a Red Shirt Leader as government employees on House Committees.

Meanwhile, with the AWOL film buff Pasit, the legal department is determining if his position is considered that of a state official. If so, the police must transfer his case to the NACC for prosecution and it's not, they will proceed themselves.

Irregardless, he's looking at some serious prison time for his illegal tapings if he should return and be convicted.

[jayboy]

BANGKOK: -- Judges of the Constitution Court yesterday resolved to take legal action against people....

[/b]

So the judges have something to hide.....as long as you are not with Ahbisit government you are enemy of the state..

I'd be careful about impugning the judges in Thailand if I were you. Several PTP people may find themselves in jail for quite awhile after their parliamentary immunity is no longer in place.

Here we go again.This member has been warned in the past not to goad members into querying the decisions of the Thai courts - which everyone knows are famous the world over from corruption, political interference and "direction" from above

[jayboy]

Now I understand why a month ago K. Jatuporn said to have clips and to show them in a few weeks time. Probably k. Pasit has been so busy taping that our dear MP needs time to watch it all and select only the juicy bits which he likes. Maybe a search warrant is required to find a few more tapes?

At least this distracts nicely from the Nonthaburi 'bomb making 101' failure, the PTP MP with his qualified secretary who is a good friend of his daughter, some ChiangMai business man and the transfer of money to a fugitive. Well done PTP. If only k. Chalerm wouldn't have warned for violent protests all would be red right.

Absolutely right in terms of priorities.Lets demonise the whistle blower and ignore the 800 kilo gorilla.

[whybother]

Absolutely right in terms of priorities.Lets demonise the whistle blower and ignore the 800 kilo gorilla.

What has he actually blown the whistle on? That he organised a meeting with the Democrat legal team, or that the judges sometimes discuss their cases?

[elcent]

BANGKOK: -- Judges of the Constitution Court yesterday resolved to take legal action against people....

[/b]

So the judges have something to hide.....as long as you are not with Ahbisit government you are enemy of the state..

The judges have nothing to hide. They will presenting their decision with detailed reasoning towards the end of the year. Their may even be dissenting views, as has happened in recent Constitution court cases.

They will presenting their decision with detailed reasoning:

If you have a glass half full / half empty:

"I ban this class, becuase it is half empty"

"I accept this glass bacuase it is half full"

As no one can challenge the judges, the judes can, theoretically work backward if necessary, ie conclude on a verdict, and detail the reasoning to support it. However, I do not think Thai judges will do such things. maybe judges in North Korea or Burma, or Cuba, ...

:lol:

[scorecard]

BANGKOK: -- Judges of the Constitution Court yesterday resolved to take legal action against people....

[/b]

So the judges have something to hide.....as long as you are not with Ahbisit government you are enemy of the state..

Interesting conclusion. From "The judges decide to take legal action against people accusing them of favouring the Democrat Party in the dissolution case and the unidentified people behind the release of damaging videos of a confidential meeting of the judges in their chambers." to 'they have something to hide'

In most countries filming in judges private rooms without permit would be illegal and punishable by law. K. Pasit seems to have known he did something at least controversial having fled. The slideshow is unrelated, but used to 'suggest' a prejudice for the Dem's. To just ignore these slights would cause even more to say 'see they think they're above the law'. To take legal action against unlawfull activities seems proper.

As for 'not for Abhisit, you must be against', keep in mind that k. Thaksin recently won a defamation suite against k. Sondhi. The judicial system works.

The fact that the judges were discussing the case is not necessarily of itself wrong. Surely in a complex case one would expect the judges to share their individual rational on how they have individually analysed the evidence and their own rational on why the law (in regard to the chrges) was framed (constructed) as it stands in the law books, or in other words analyse together the deep underlying intent of the law. I say again, discussing the case is not necessarily of itself wrong.

[chantorn]

BANGKOK: -- Judges of the Constitution Court yesterday resolved to take legal action against people....

[/b]

So the judges have something to hide.....as long as you are not with Ahbisit government you are enemy of the state..

Interesting conclusion. From "The judges decide to take legal action against people accusing them of favouring the Democrat Party in the dissolution case and the unidentified people behind the release of damaging videos of a confidential meeting of the judges in their chambers." to 'they have something to hide'

In most countries filming in judges private rooms without permit would be illegal and punishable by law. K. Pasit seems to have known he did something at least controversial having fled. The slideshow is unrelated, but used to 'suggest' a prejudice for the Dem's. To just ignore these slights would cause even more to say 'see they think they're above the law'. To take legal action against unlawfull activities seems proper.

As for 'not for Abhisit, you must be against', keep in mind that k. Thaksin recently won a defamation suite against k. Sondhi. The judicial system works.

The fact that the judges were discussing the case is not necessarily of itself wrong. Surely in a complex case one would expect the judges to share their individual rational on how they have individually analysed the evidence and their own rational on why the law (in regard to the chrges) was framed (constructed) as it stands in the law books, or in other words analyse together the deep underlying intent of the law. I say again, discussing the case is not necessarily of itself wrong.

That depends who the judges are discussing it with. Go watch it a second time before they ban it:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ohmygod3009#g/u

[hanuman1]

So the judges have something to hide.....as long as you are not with Ahbisit government you are enemy of the state..

The judges have nothing to hide. They will presenting their decision with detailed reasoning towards the end of the year. Their may even be dissenting views, as has happened in recent Constitution court cases.

They will presenting their decision with detailed reasoning:

If you have a glass half full / half empty:

"I ban this class, becuase it is half empty"

"I accept this glass bacuase it is half full"

As no one can challenge the judges, the judes can, theoretically work backward if necessary, ie conclude on a verdict, and detail the reasoning to support it. However, I do not think Thai judges will do such things. maybe judges in North Korea or Burma, or Cuba, ...

:lol:

Or twice as big as it needs to be.

[chantorn]

So did we all see the new video clips released on Friday?

Not much the news so far.

http://www.youtube.c...ohmygod3009#g/u

Just more of the same. k. Jatuporn mentioned clips last month, k Prompong confirmed a day before clips were posted. I normally don't put much faith in 'conspiracy theories', but this time it all seems so neatly timed. Less respect for the constitutional court, suggestions of corruption, helping Dem's. In other words, 'dear PTP/UDD/red-shirt supporters, we told you this government can't be trusted', 'const. court is prejudiced', 'let's burn Bangkok again'.

When in 2001 k. Thaksin was cleared from his 'honest mistake' case with clear pressure orchestrated by TRT, I didn't hear them say anything about prejudice.

Still waiting for k. Pasit to return from his convenient absence.

So more conjecture, I'm not sure that 'dear PTP/UDD/red-shirt supporters, we told you this government can't be trusted', 'const. court is prejudiced', 'let's burn Bangkok again' is the reasoning behind the release of the videos. Perhaps, just perhaps, once the dust has cleared from the distraction techniques used by the Courts e.g threatening the media with lawsuits for discussing the videos , arranging for Pasits' passport to be revoked, etc the facts may come out.

In these new clips there is apparently another "allegation" regarding the leakage of exam papers to prospective applicants for recruitment (close to the Judges, in one case a Judges son). They are heard clearly talking about what they would do, should knowledge of the alleged exam fraud become known. The answer? Dismiss the tapes as doctored and blame a former court official.

And they worry that their reputation may be damaged?

Yes. The tapes as doctored and blame a former court official. if the judges said so, no one can contest it. It is against the law to contest judges.

[rubl]

Yes. The tapes as doctored and blame a former court official. if the judges said so, no one can contest it. It is against the law to contest judges.

The latest tape may not be doctored, just selected from the archive k. Pasit seems to have build.

"The new video was uploaded to YouTube on Friday. It allegedly shows Pasit Sakdanarong, former secretary to court president Chat Cholaworn, and two judges discussing ways to fight off the adverse impacts of alleged fraud involving the recruitment of court staff."

K. Pasit has a lot to answer for. Still waiting for his return.

As for 'against the law contesting judges', You can take judges to court, legally. You may publicly wonder about decisions. You may not defame.

Ain't a functioning democracy grand ?

[SkyHigh]

So did we all see the new video clips released on Friday?

Not much the news so far.

http://www.youtube.c...ohmygod3009#g/u

Just more of the same. k. Jatuporn mentioned clips last month, k Prompong confirmed a day before clips were posted. I normally don't put much faith in 'conspiracy theories', but this time it all seems so neatly timed. Less respect for the constitutional court, suggestions of corruption, helping Dem's. In other words, 'dear PTP/UDD/red-shirt supporters, we told you this government can't be trusted', 'const. court is prejudiced', 'let's burn Bangkok again'.

When in 2001 k. Thaksin was cleared from his 'honest mistake' case with clear pressure orchestrated by TRT, I didn't hear them say anything about prejudice.

Still waiting for k. Pasit to return from his convenient absence.

This doesnt have anything to do with Thaksin/TRT/PPP/PT/UDD. Dont try to spin off topic.

You can jail whoever recorded & released this clip. But the FACT will remain the same.

When you serve such an significant role, people expect you to be 'clean'.

Showing bias against one party, calling 'mun' ( impolite ), setting up a case trying to fool media etc. is totally unacceptable.

[whybother]

This doesnt have anything to do with Thaksin/TRT/PPP/PT/UDD. Dont try to spin off topic.

You can jail whoever recorded & released this clip. But the FACT will remain the same.

When you serve such an significant role, people expect you to be 'clean'.

Showing bias against one party, calling 'mun' ( impolite ), setting up a case trying to fool media etc. is totally unacceptable.

What are the facts?

A guy organised and taped a meeting with a Democrat legal guy and taped it. What was said during this meeting was heavily influenced by the guy that organised the meeting.

The same guy also taped judges discussing a case that they were sitting on. So what?

The guy that made the tapes suddenly leaves the country, so he can't explain what happened.

It is all just being used by the PTP and red shirts to raise doubt about the Constitution Court judges so that when the decision goes for the Democrats they can say "See, the judges are in cahoots with the Democrats".

The video (photo presentation) of Prem with captions indicating that he was conspiring with the judges, released at the same time as the rest of the videos, clearly shows that this is all a set up.

[chantorn]

So did we all see the new video clips released on Friday?

Not much the news so far.

http://www.youtube.c...ohmygod3009#g/u

Just more of the same. k. Jatuporn mentioned clips last month, k Prompong confirmed a day before clips were posted. I normally don't put much faith in 'conspiracy theories', but this time it all seems so neatly timed. Less respect for the constitutional court, suggestions of corruption, helping Dem's. In other words, 'dear PTP/UDD/red-shirt supporters, we told you this government can't be trusted', 'const. court is prejudiced', 'let's burn Bangkok again'.

When in 2001 k. Thaksin was cleared from his 'honest mistake' case with clear pressure orchestrated by TRT, I didn't hear them say anything about prejudice.

Still waiting for k. Pasit to return from his convenient absence.

This doesnt have anything to do with Thaksin/TRT/PPP/PT/UDD. Dont try to spin off topic.

You can jail whoever recorded & released this clip. But the FACT will remain the same.

When you serve such an significant role, people expect you to be 'clean'.

Showing bias against one party, calling 'mun' ( impolite ), setting up a case trying to fool media etc. is totally unacceptable.

"A classic job of misdirection and blame the whistle blower".

[SergeiY]

So did we all see the new video clips released on Friday?

Not much the news so far.

http://www.youtube.c...ohmygod3009#g/u

Just more of the same. k. Jatuporn mentioned clips last month, k Prompong confirmed a day before clips were posted. I normally don't put much faith in 'conspiracy theories', but this time it all seems so neatly timed. Less respect for the constitutional court, suggestions of corruption, helping Dem's. In other words, 'dear PTP/UDD/red-shirt supporters, we told you this government can't be trusted', 'const. court is prejudiced', 'let's burn Bangkok again'.

When in 2001 k. Thaksin was cleared from his 'honest mistake' case with clear pressure orchestrated by TRT, I didn't hear them say anything about prejudice.

Still waiting for k. Pasit to return from his convenient absence.

This doesnt have anything to do with Thaksin/TRT/PPP/PT/UDD. Dont try to spin off topic.

You can jail whoever recorded & released this clip. But the FACT will remain the same.

When you serve such an significant role, people expect you to be 'clean'.

Showing bias against one party, calling 'mun' ( impolite ), setting up a case trying to fool media etc. is totally unacceptable.

Exactly.

[animatic]

So did we all see the new video clips released on Friday?

Not much the news so far.

http://www.youtube.c...ohmygod3009#g/u

Just more of the same. k. Jatuporn mentioned clips last month, k Prompong confirmed a day before clips were posted. I normally don't put much faith in 'conspiracy theories', but this time it all seems so neatly timed. Less respect for the constitutional court, suggestions of corruption, helping Dem's. In other words, 'dear PTP/UDD/red-shirt supporters, we told you this government can't be trusted', 'const. court is prejudiced', 'let's burn Bangkok again'.

When in 2001 k. Thaksin was cleared from his 'honest mistake' case with clear pressure orchestrated by TRT, I didn't hear them say anything about prejudice.

Still waiting for k. Pasit to return from his convenient absence.

So more conjecture, I'm not sure that 'dear PTP/UDD/red-shirt supporters, we told you this government can't be trusted', 'const. court is prejudiced', 'let's burn Bangkok again' is the reasoning behind the release of the videos. Perhaps, just perhaps, once the dust has cleared from the distraction techniques used by the Courts e.g threatening the media with lawsuits for discussing the videos , arranging for Pasits' passport to be revoked, etc the facts may come out.

In these new clips there is apparently another "allegation" regarding the leakage of exam papers to prospective applicants for recruitment (close to the Judges, in one case a Judges son). They are heard clearly talking about what they would do, should knowledge of the alleged exam fraud become known. The answer? Dismiss the tapes as doctored and blame a former court official.

And they worry that their reputation may be damaged?

Yes. The tapes as doctored and blame a former court official. if the judges said so, no one can contest it. It is against the law to contest judges.

No dear, it's against the law to unduly criticize their rulings after they make them.

Not to criticize them before rulings or in general, but it also must be accurate criticism.

But what we have here is not legitimate critique, but ham fisted attempts to impugn the

judges themselves, and discredit specific rulings before they are made.

And recorded without permission in chambers, which are supposed to be their private space

to discuss cases and agree on how they will run trials in the case of multi-judge trials.

[Buchholz]

It's got a WHOLE lot to do with PTP.

How did they get the tapes that the fugitive Pasit illegally taped?

[TAWP]

It's got a WHOLE lot to do with PTP.

How did they get the tapes that the fugitive Pasit illegally taped?

A assistant/secretary/etc with no political lenience can easily be persuaded to in secret tape every meeting she or he is involved in over a period of 2 weeks for a million bath.

My only question is...did he flee when he figured out who his contractor was or was that always part of the plan?

Suddenly seems like an awful small amount to have to live on the run, even if it is only until after the next election.

[phiphidon]

It's got a WHOLE lot to do with PTP.

How did they get the tapes that the fugitive Pasit illegally taped?

I believe that the Thais have their very own Postal Service and failing that there are couriers around.

[SkyHigh]

This doesnt have anything to do with Thaksin/TRT/PPP/PT/UDD. Dont try to spin off topic.

You can jail whoever recorded & released this clip. But the FACT will remain the same.

When you serve such an significant role, people expect you to be 'clean'.

Showing bias against one party, calling 'mun' ( impolite ), setting up a case trying to fool media etc. is totally unacceptable.

What are the facts?

A guy organised and taped a meeting with a Democrat legal guy and taped it. What was said during this meeting was heavily influenced by the guy that organised the meeting.

The same guy also taped judges discussing a case that they were sitting on. So what?

The guy that made the tapes suddenly leaves the country, so he can't explain what happened.

It is all just being used by the PTP and red shirts to raise doubt about the Constitution Court judges so that when the decision goes for the Democrats they can say "See, the judges are in cahoots with the Democrats".

The video (photo presentation) of Prem with captions indicating that he was conspiring with the judges, released at the same time as the rest of the videos, clearly shows that this is all a set up.

If I'm cheated, I would like to know. And I'll reward whoever tell me.

For the one who's cheating on me, you can claim your privacy right. But I'll slap on your face anyway.

who's with me ?

[whybother]

If I'm cheated, I would like to know. And I'll reward whoever tell me.

For the one who's cheating on me, you can claim your privacy right. But I'll slap on your face anyway.

who's with me ?

If I knew what you were talking about ......

[TAWP]

If I'm cheated, I would like to know. And I'll reward whoever tell me.

For the one who's cheating on me, you can claim your privacy right. But I'll slap on your face anyway.

who's with me ?

The only thing I get from that is that if you lived in the US you wouldn't agree with the fourth amendment, but apart from that...I mean, it still doesn't seem to clear what was said during the meetings that was taped. I mean, I have been waiting for a smoking gun quote atleast, but sofar, nothing...only a 'they meet and talked and therefor they are dirty, even if our video recording didn't pick up anything dirty being said'. All very shifty.

[phiphidon]

If I'm cheated, I would like to know. And I'll reward whoever tell me.

For the one who's cheating on me, you can claim your privacy right. But I'll slap on your face anyway.

who's with me ?

The only thing I get from that is that if you lived in the US you wouldn't agree with the fourth amendment, but apart from that...I mean, it still doesn't seem to clear what was said during the meetings that was taped. I mean, I have been waiting for a smoking gun quote atleast, but sofar, nothing...only a 'they meet and talked and therefor they are dirty, even if our video recording didn't pick up anything dirty being said'. All very shifty.

And the second set of tapes regarding the leakage of exam papers for prospective court official positions with discussion on how to handle it if the news got out? The answer dismiss the tapes as doctored and blame a court official?

[TAWP]

And the second set of tapes regarding the leakage of exam papers for prospective court official positions with discussion on how to handle it if the news got out? The answer dismiss the tapes as doctored and blame a court official?

As there are interpretations as to the meanings, is there any transcripts to begin with? I mean, if we can agree upon - possibly - what was said, we can argue what it means...

[Buchholz]

It's got a WHOLE lot to do with PTP.

How did they get the tapes that the fugitive Pasit illegally taped?

I believe that the Thais have their very own Postal Service and failing that there are couriers around.

The point being, the fugitive Pasit illegally taped the judges.

The tapes were presented to the public by PTP Spokesman.

Pasit obviously gave the tapes to PTP.

There is duplicity between these 2 entities, unless one were to believe that Pasit sent the surreptitiously taped videos to the PTP completely unsolicited by the PTP, which seems more than a bit of a stretch.