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Best Thailand Mapset For Garmin 3790T

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I'm am most likely going to get a Garmin 3790t.

I have read various opinions about which map set is best, and it seems the two primary ones are the ERSI set (the latest version I have seen referenced is ESRI Thailand Street Map (TSM) NT v10.1) and the Garmin City Navigator Southeast Asia NT set. I get the impression that either is good in the areas around cities in Thailand but I plan on heading out on my motorcycle and would like something that has the most level of road detail in the rural areas. Garmin says that its NT set has detailed coverage for the whole country. I haven't found much information on the level of coverage for the ERSI set. Has anyone actually had the chance to use both of them and compare the coverage away from city areas?

Thanks

David

I have three Thailand maps on my Nuvi 205. The City Navigator Southeast Asia NT v4.5 has the most rural road detail. A new ESRI Thailand Street Map, v11.0, is due out in November, I'd wait until it is released for reports.The Garmin CN SEA NT map currently marketed (NAVTEQ) is an updated version from v4.5.

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I have three Thailand maps on my Nuvi 205. The City Navigator Southeast Asia NT v4.5 has the most rural road detail. A new ESRI Thailand Street Map, v11.0, is due out in November, I'd wait until it is released for reports.The Garmin CN SEA NT map currently marketed (NAVTEQ) is an updated version from v4.5.

Thanks for the information IO. I'll keep and eye out for information on the new ESRI maps to see what changes are made. Since I won't be arriving in LOS until February there is no rush.

David

I'm am most likely going to get a Garmin 3790t.

Since the Garmin 3790T is not yet available from dealers in Thailand, if you use the ESRI Thailand Street Map the junction view function will not work because you would not have the Thai OS.

Hi Int Obs

Thank you for your helpful posts

I don't like JV much.

But will TSM on an overseas bought Garmin.... have Lane Assist?

I've found that very useful

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I'm am most likely going to get a Garmin 3790t.

Since the Garmin 3790T is not yet available from dealers in Thailand, if you use the ESRI Thailand Street Map the junction view function will not work because you would not have the Thai OS.

IO, your reply raised an interesting question for me. Since the model I buy in the US will not have the Thai OS installed, will the ESRI Thailand Street Map work the same on it (with the exception of junction view, of course)?

Thanks for your helpful input.

David

The ESRI English language map will work just fine. Who is going to install the Thailand Street Map to your Garmin GPS? Can you manipulate computer files, if not I'd have a Garmin dealer install the map for you.

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The ESRI English language map will work just fine. Who is going to install the Thailand Street Map to your Garmin GPS? Can you manipulate computer files, if not I'd have a Garmin dealer install the map for you.

Most likely I can do it. Took my first computer course in 1969 ... yes, I am an old geezer. biggrin.gif

David

Hi Int Obs

Thank you for your helpful posts

I don't like JV much.

But will TSM on an overseas bought Garmin.... have Lane Assist?

I've found that very useful

Thailand Street Map (TSM) junction view is definitely dependent on the Thai OS firmware version. Lane assist, the arrows in upper left corner indicating traffic lanes, is another issue. If a deal breaker, I'd call ESRI and ask them. The whole issue of junction view and lane assist on the overseas, non Thai, units is rather nebulous. ESRI wants to sell you a THAI OS unit. The good news is that the basic TSM works on the overseas purchased Garmin GPS units.

Hi Int Obs

Thank you for your helpful posts

I don't like JV much.

But will TSM on an overseas bought Garmin.... have Lane Assist?

I've found that very useful

Junction View is of limited value, but still has value. Lane Assist is indispensable and DOES work with the ERSI version of TSM on the 3790t and any other unit that supports Lane Assist.

I'm not sure how much ERSI has it's hand in the pot of all GPS's sold in Thailand.. they used to be the only place you could get them years ago. But now that they're sold (with their mapset) in Gadget Trends, Tesco, mall kiosks, etc.. it seems counterproductive on their part to limit JV to Thai OS units just to sell more GPS devices from their rather obscure location. But.. if they get a cut from all GPS's sold it would make better sense, but not the best sense. In most western countries this practice would be illegal and consumers and consumer agencies would rake them over the coals. Unfortunately Thai's are too accustomed to doing whatever a person in authority tells them to do.. and haven't yet realized their power as consumers. Once they awaken it has the potential to change their economy.. and through this their politics and country.

It's called protecting your market share and practiced everyday in the West. Just ask Microsoft to explain about the word "proprietary". ESRI owns the copyright to Thailand Street Map and the Thai OS, and gets a piece of every unit sold.

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It's called protecting your market share and practiced everyday in the West. Just ask Microsoft to explain about the word "proprietary". ESRI owns the copyright to Thailand Street Map and the Thai OS, and gets a piece of every unit sold.

Depending how it's done it's also called "antitrust" and a company can be fined in the billions. Just ask Microsoft..

The big difference is the difference between the laws of the east and west, and the education and willingness of consumers to fight back.

Mac has such a small share of the market because?

The superior Sony Betamax fell to the inferior VHS because?

I won't be banal and list the hundred of examples of why this is a poor business practice or why it might violate antitrust laws.. after all it's standard knowledge in Business 101. But I do encourage consumers to become as knowledgeable as they have time for and to vote with their dollars.

Besides.. who's the genius that thinks restricting JV will really prompt any significant number of sales of Thai OS equipped GPS? It will create more bad will than it's worth. I guess that's the price the local businessmen pay for not gong to class and falsely believing the Thai market somehow is immune to international business practices.

KInda curious if V11 will address this egregious practice.. it would be a record for a Thai company.

It is not antitrust, ESRI by no means has a monopoly. There are a number of different manufacturers of GPS units and Thailand maps available on the market in Thailand. That's even before you get into iPhone type devices equipped with GPS and car navigation maps.

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It is not antitrust, ESRI by no means has a monopoly. There are a number of different manufacturers of GPS units and Thailand maps available on the market in Thailand. That's even before you get into iPhone type devices equipped with GPS and car navigation maps.

Whether or not it's antitrust or not is a decision of the courts. There were plenty of other operating systems, web browsers, media players, etc. available when Microsoft was fined billions for antitrust violations. There are many such examples. What defines antitrust.. is if someone in the marketplace unfairly uses their position, or monopolizes their position, to gain market share. There were plenty of operating systems available.. so Microsoft argued. But the courts responded that because their operating system was so popular and used by most.. that they were unfairly competing by including their IE browser, Media Player, Image Gallery.. and most of the new "Microsoft Live Essentials" that are no longer packaged with Win7.. but now must be downloaded separately. In fact, as you install Win7 you won't even see a mention or advertisement to their Live Essentials.. you won't know anything about it until you go to their help screens asking why certain features are no longer available.

Sounds familiar? ERSI occupies the largest user base of Thailand maps by far. They also license the Thai OS system that allows JV to work. As you said, they get a piece of every mapset and every OS sold. But it's not enough for them to get a piece of the mapset I buy from them to go on my non-Thai OS GPS.. they made it so I also had to buy not only their Thai-OS.. but the GPS it comes on. There's little doubt in any western country this would be an antitrust issue.

Okay.. so you ask why Mac gets away with virtually the same thing and Microsoft gets slammed with fines? It's because Microsoft holds the huge part of the market (ie monopoly) and Mac doesn't. They're still so small they can get away with it.. and the other manufacturers of PC gear aren't screaming for them to be fair either.. the money to be made, at least on the largest scale, is with the PC's which run windows.. because that market share is so much bigger.

ERSI is like the Microsoft of Thailand maps.

Actually.. personally.. I have no issues with such practices. But from a business standpoint I think they're destructive. If ERSI would simple charge more for the mapset that works on non-Thai units.. I'd gladly pay. They could charge more, explain why, and not cause nearly as much damage. But what they're doing now.. it hurts them and it hurts the consumer.

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