Urgent Water Crisis For Pattaya Hotels And Tourism

[toni157]

It is an interesting point - I agree with you 100% that the US is strched painfully thin. My personal opinion is tha they thought that hey would have Iraq producing 5 -7mn bpd by now, which would reduce their reliance on the rocky house of Saudi Arabia. Things haven't worked out so well for them and the possibility of conflict with Iran is what is responsible for driving the price of crude through the roof. The Iranians are not stupid and know that the US has no real leverage over them. If the US is going to coninue to try and exert its control over the middle east, the US deficit, (already chronic), is going to go through the roof - Simply speaking they have over extended themselves. Happens to every empire.

[toni157]

The chart is nice, but doesn't explain it in clarity - of the 85mln bpd in demand the US takes minimum 27mln bpd, unfortunately they hae taken a liking to Chinese and Indian products. All of these need Oil to manufacture,So to keep the factories in Guangdong producing products for Walmart more oil needs to be diverted to China.

[toni157]

I Really think we need a new topic to discuss this subject as I haven't mentioned water in several posts

[ArtfulD]

True many empires of the past fell trying to exert themselves over too large an area. Your right in that Iran knows the US has no real power right now to do anything to them, Israel also is not really in a position to do anything as they would cop some serious flak from other middle east nations...Israel having nuclear weapons is not really of any use as a deterrent as nuking the worlds major oil fields wont exactly help supplys.

[toni157]

Personally, I am waiting for the Americans to hang their heads in shame, admit they were wrong and respectfully ask if they may be allowed to rejoin the empire.

[toni157]

After all, it wasn't really the Yanks fault, the French encouraged them to rebel because of our war over Canada - Yow, that must hurt our American cousins that the great war of independance was to enable the hated French to try and gain monopoly over Canada.

[bina]

Diverting water will (is)become a major issue in the future/potential war issue for some countries.

like, duhhh.............

bina,

israel

u all should go back and check the other threads about water/drought in issan etc we've been there done it.....sorry cant do links computer doesnt cooperate

Edited August 13, 2005 by bina

[joe beets]

After all, it wasn't really the Yanks fault, the French encouraged them to rebel because of our war over Canada - Yow, that must hurt our American cousins that the great war of independance was to enable the hated French to try and gain monopoly over Canada.

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Huh?

Oh, yeah, sure,

Ouch.

jb

[Martin]

Toni157 said "I'm only 35, but when I was a child they told me that all the oil would be gone by now! Maybe they just meant the oil in friendly countries!"

As one who was doing the telling (an energy engineer and energy engineering teacher) I remember that we were showing graphs of how oil consumption was increasing, and saying "If oil consumption carries on growing at the present rate, virtually all the known reserves of oil will be gone by the end of the twentieth century". Which was quite true. Rising oil prices got people to hear what we were saying and they started insulating their loft spaces, using compact cars etc etc, and consumption more or less levelled off. Also higher oil prices stimulated exploration and the finding of more reserves, albeit those reserves were often more expensive to extract.

The same cutting-back on oil consumption will occur again now as the oil price rises. The fear is, however, that the cutting back will hurt a lot more and may well engender a world-wide economic recession/depression.

It is unlikely that much will be found in new reserves, though. But tar sands are probably going to start contributing (when it reaches around $200 per barrel, I believe).

Getting back to water, you are all making a good case for the necessity of having what used to be called (in the UK) Town and Country Planners. They were a much maligned breed (Estate Agents, though maybe not Tailoring Salesmen in Thailand, were more respected), but UK has much to thank those planners for. And UK was also lucky to have politicians who were prepared to examine the suggestions of the planners, and often act accordingly. Thailand isn't all that far behind.

No way would those planners have agreed with the Eastern Seaboard factories and the Pattaya hotels being built, unless adequate water catchment areas were procured, and big-enough reservoirs put in. Nor would the politicians have sanctioned it. Thailand will have learnt the lesson the hard way, just as England did.

[meelousee]

The 40,000 cubic metre shortfall, must be made up by residential customers and the business sector themselves who are forced to buy directly from commercial water supply trucks at 100 baht per cubic metre.

Where do the water supply trucks get the water from?

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They get the water from the Shincorp water well it's right next to the DTAC/AIS tower

[astral]

The 40,000 cubic metre shortfall, must be made up by residential customers and the business sector themselves who are forced to buy directly from commercial water supply trucks at 100 baht per cubic metre.

Where do the water supply trucks get the water from?

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Straight out of the reservoirs, of course.

Bypassing the water company at 10 times the price!!