Thaksin To Attend Human Rights Violation Hearing In US

[scorecard]

Sitting in a London restaurant, those Thais would probably be from the ' Hi so' component of Thai society very well off and not from the poorer part of the Thai community. So its obvious that they would not want to be around Khun Thaksin. For goodness sake ! dont you understand, they would all be Yellow shirts, the opposite to the Thaksin redshirts...........Duhhhhhhhhhhh

Ummm There are MANY not _hi-so Thais in the UK and the US and in fact in MANY places in the world. Many Thais in the UK are students, married to UK citizens, UK dual citizens etc ... Your conceptions of who what and why really need to be thought over.

Samak was not "overthrown" because of a cooking show. Samak was tossed out for several charges relating to his working another job other than as PM. (Forgery and perjury). Samak would have been able to step right back in as PM if he could have been elected by parliament again. Sadly for Samak, Thaksin wanted his brother-in-law as PM. Nobody was on trial for "using vast amounts of money". The Democrat party was facing charges that have been dismissed for allegedly accepting illegal campaign contributions.

If you are unaware that Thaksin dissolved parliament in 2006 and was thus a caretaker PM, and that those elections he called failed to seat a government, and that the time allowed in the 1997 constitution for a caretaker government to rule had elapsed, and that he had publicly stepped down as caretaker PM and then took it back up .... well then ... you are correct it IS too confusing for you

And further to what jdinasia rightly says,lets please get the details correct as to what samak was found quilty of:

- Yes, the circumstance was that it was a cooking show, no big deal.

- Yes, it was suposedly (repeat supposedly) just a few thousand baht.

The law (of Thailand, and many many other countries) says very clearly that prime ministers cannot have two job. Fact.

Now, why does the law of Thailand, and numerous other countries, say that the PM can only have one job?

Very simple and very very obvious reasoning, and very appropriate, PMs should be devotng all of their time to running the country, solving the problems of the country, activities to generate development, etc etc etc.

So it was a simple cooking show. Well it's well documented that every episode took 3 to 4 days to rehearse, and to step by step record. Plus, samak insisted that he do all the shoppong for the ingredients etc., also time consuming. Plus many Thais would mention that the things he cooked on the show were very straight forward everyday Thai dishes, nothing exotic, nothing creative, etc.

But enough of that, the law says, for very very good reasons, that PMs cannot have two jobs.

Many people warned samak that he was breaking the law, and he boldly, several times, admitted that he was breaking the law, he didn't care, and basically said he would do as he wished regardless of the law.

Can you imagine the outcry if the president of the US, the PM of UK, the German Chancellor, the Aust. PM, etc., announced that they were going to take perhaps a week off, or more, every month to film a cooking show?

The public would be totally outraged, the PMs credibility would be in tatters and so it should be, their party would drop in credibility by half, etc etc., and for good reason!

On a different subject, you seem to think that all Thais are either red shirt or yellow shirt.

Many Thais are neither red or yellow.

Many Thais see the need for change and for policies and actions which would provide a much higher percentage of Thai people with much better opportunity and a much higher standard of living,but they don't see the red shirts as a credible or structured movement to achieve change, and many of the same people don't agree with all the PAd policies.

Edited December 10, 2010 by scorecard

[Buchholz]

And further to what jdinasia rightly says,lets please get the details correct as to what samak was found quilty of:

- Yes, the circumstance was that it was a cooking show, no big deal.

- Yes, it was suposedly (repeat supposedly) just a few thousand baht.

The law (of Thailand, and many many other countries) says very clearly that prime ministers cannot have two job. Fact.

Now, why does the law of Thailand, and numerous other countries, say that the PM can only have one job?

Very simple and very very obvious reasoning, and very appropriate, PMs should be devotng all of their time to running the country, solving the problems of the country, activities to generate development, etc etc etc.

So it was a simple cooking show. Well it's well documented that every episode took 3 to 4 days to rehearse, and to step by step record. Plus, samak insisted that he do all the shoppong for the ingredients etc., also time consuming. Plus many Thais would mention that the things he cooked on the show were very straight forward everyday Thai dishes, nothing exotic, nothing creative, etc.

But enough of that, the law says, for very very good reasons, that PMs cannot have two jobs.

Many people warned samak that he was breaking the law, and he boldly, several times, admitted that he was breaking the law, he didn't care, and basically said he would do as he wished regardless of the law.

Can you imagine the outcry if the president of the US, the PM of UK, the German Chancellor, the Aust. PM, etc., announced that they were going to take perhaps a week off, or more, every month to film a cooking show?

The public would be totally outraged, the PMs credibility would be in tatters and so it should be, their party would drop in credibility by half, etc etc., and for good reason!

Kharma caught up with Samak and as he said himself, "only one died."

[metisdead]

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[dekbahnnok]

The record this mouthpiece has displayed for truthfulness leaves a little question as to the accuracy of this article. When the man steps foot on US shores I will believe it. Although one article that the request for his presence was mailed to his US address. Maybe he has been there all the time.

He has a civil suit filed against him by the American guy he ripped off while setting up his cable company. Thaksin should be arrested for many human rights violations committed while he was Prime Minister. His War On Drugs and the many violations in Southern Thailand.

[JetsetBkk]

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The law (of Thailand, and many many other countries) says very clearly that prime ministers cannot have two job. Fact.

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Laughable! You think anyone in Thailand gives a rats arse about the law?

I guess the law is only important to you when you or your lot are doing the prosecuting, eh?

On a score of 1 to 1000 in importance, his "law breaking" rated as zero - unimportant. Just a cookery show for chrissake.

But it was enough to kick him out by those who wanted to get rid of him. It was politically (i.e. money/power) motivated just like all the other stupid lawsuits flying around.

[jdinasia]

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The law (of Thailand, and many many other countries) says very clearly that prime ministers cannot have two job. Fact.

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Laughable! You think anyone in Thailand gives a rats arse about the law?

I guess the law is only important to you when you or your lot are doing the prosecuting, eh?

On a score of 1 to 1000 in importance, his "law breaking" rated as zero - unimportant. Just a cookery show for chrissake.

But it was enough to kick him out by those who wanted to get rid of him. It was politically (i.e. money/power) motivated just like all the other stupid lawsuits flying around.

Ummmmm it wasn't working on the show, it was lying about the payments and forging documents to support the lie. Remember, Samak could have stepped right back in as PM if Thaksin hadn't supported his bro-in-law for the position instead.

[Pi Sek]

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The law (of Thailand, and many many other countries) says very clearly that prime ministers cannot have two job. Fact.

<snip>

Laughable! You think anyone in Thailand gives a rats arse about the law?

I guess the law is only important to you when you or your lot are doing the prosecuting, eh?

On a score of 1 to 1000 in importance, his "law breaking" rated as zero - unimportant. Just a cookery show for chrissake.

But it was enough to kick him out by those who wanted to get rid of him. It was politically (i.e. money/power) motivated just like all the other stupid lawsuits flying around.

I see you've ignored the fact that he was taking time out - maybe 8 hours a week - from his fairly-important job as Prime Minister. I think I would certainly have a problem with that.

Anyway, as has been mentioned, he was "forcably asked" to stop on numerous occasions, and he responded with "I run the country these days - just try it". So 'they' did.

So, no, I don't think it was politically motivated at all - but if it was, by whom? What political results did it achieve? I would say that Samak lost out, Somchai gained, Thaksin gained, the electorate lost out and the Democrats neither gained nor lost.

However, by your same argument regarding whether or not the Law is important: smoking pot shouldn't put harmless folk in prison and/or cost them tens of thousands of Baht - but it does, with a criminal record; yet drink-drivers who kill some poor guy on a moped, pay a fee and the problem is gone - such is the implementation of the Law in Thailand. It swings both ways.

[scorecard]

<snip>

The law (of Thailand, and many many other countries) says very clearly that prime ministers cannot have two job. Fact.

<snip>

Laughable! You think anyone in Thailand gives a rats arse about the law?

I guess the law is only important to you when you or your lot are doing the prosecuting, eh?

On a score of 1 to 1000 in importance, his "law breaking" rated as zero - unimportant. Just a cookery show for chrissake.

But it was enough to kick him out by those who wanted to get rid of him. It was politically (i.e. money/power) motivated just like all the other stupid lawsuits flying around.

Yes, there is to some extent a wild west aspect to the way the law is applied in Thailand, but that doesn't mean that it's OK.

You say "On a score of 1 to 1000 in importance, his "law breaking" rated as zero - unimportant. Just a cookery show for chrissake."

Well I strongly disagree, I believe many many Thais saw that his actions ('just a cookery show') were totally unacceptable and had to be challenged, and 'just a cookery show' was not what they were thinking about, they were highly concerned that the man should be focused on the job of PM and should be showing an example of high values / total respect for the law, rather than laughing at and breaking the law.

And further, I personally spend spend quite a bit of time teaching my family about the correct way to do things, values, respect for the law, being good examples, etc., and I certainlt don't want them thinking that the action of samak and for that matter thaksin, jatuporn and a lot more are good examples because somehow these scaly characters have got to the positions they occupy.

Edited December 11, 2010 by scorecard

[TAWP]

<snip>

The law (of Thailand, and many many other countries) says very clearly that prime ministers cannot have two job. Fact.

<snip>

Laughable! You think anyone in Thailand gives a rats arse about the law?

I guess the law is only important to you when you or your lot are doing the prosecuting, eh?

On a score of 1 to 1000 in importance, his "law breaking" rated as zero - unimportant. Just a cookery show for chrissake.

But it was enough to kick him out by those who wanted to get rid of him. It was politically (i.e. money/power) motivated just like all the other stupid lawsuits flying around.

Thank you for clarifying that your opinion on the matter is utterly and completely useless and can be ignored without any loss.

Ps. He was merely de-seated and could continue on as before if the party fielding him would have wanted him to. I.e. if Thaksin didn't see it as an opportunity to get rid of a loon that was hard to control. Ds.