Eight-Year-Old Thai Girl Killed, Another Hurt In New Year Party Shootings

[Kernow86]

Condolences to the family.

[capricciocap1]

No personal guns, no childs death, no excuses, ban now!

right!! ban now!!

[capricciocap1]

"It's difficult to locate a shooter, because there were many shots fired during the countdown period and we don't know where the bullet came from," Yala police chief Colonel Piyawat Chalermsri said.

stupid comment by cops. everybody is shooting!! where in the hell all the cops are gone????

[neverdie]

HERE you wrote --knifes---isn,t it KNIVES Ha Ha.

touché

[Thaddeus]

You have no use of logic since you don't use it.

Let us hope you don't get run over by a car when you go outside.

I asked you a simple question, you gave a simple answer, and that one word answer says more about you and your fake caring attitude than any number of your previous posts, your attempt to now deflect it with some huff huff guffaw is rather pathetic.

And your over-simplification to be able to smear someone on a topic you neither understand nor realize can be applied to a wide range of items says more about you than you know.

Have you written your MP to ban cars or knifes yet?

No, but he's probably of a sensible group that realises that people need cars for transport & SHOULD be licenced to drive them. Its a major form of transportation in the world, yet Im not sure anyone has ever used a firearm for transport.

In many places its already illegal to carry a knife as you move about the place, but how could anyone get through life without a knife .

He also apparently can see that the amount of people that need to 'carry' guns about the place is limited & that strict laws can probably control those who want to possess them for other reasons.

Yes mate, I am from those groufs

A few months ago I was having a quiet beer in a Thai bar when a member of the BiB walked in, white T-shirt so off-duty and already half cut, he started to point at various people in the bar and as each one looked at him he pointed to the gun on his hip, he thinks he is a 'big man' everyone else thinks he is a tosser or are too scared to think anything. That is the last sort of person that should be carrying a firearm. The fact that he was a BiB is actually immaterial, any country that allows anyone with an attitude problem, or the potential to develop one, to own and carry a gun needs to wake up.

Most of the population of this entire planet are not responsible enough to carry a gun, why anyone of a reasonable intelligence level can't get to grips with that is beyond me.

[transam]

Probably was a BiB round as most carry guns and 11mm is a large round for mr. average, could be a .44 Magnum or a military weapon. What the shooter forgets is what goes up must come down and if a Magnum round hits something hard it will keep on going, anywhere, unfortunate for the lass.

[billd766]

You fail at logic.

Yes, but no logic path reaches a successful end on this subject, but mine has less kinks in it and fewer people die.

Now, answer the question, anyone. (but I'm more interested in Tawps answer)

No "right" to carry a gun is worth a child's life.

EVER

If you take or carry or use a gun to defend yourself (from what) always remember that there is somebody somewhere faster or stronger than you or has a bigger gun or a lot of friends who also have guns.

I have no answer to criminals who carry weapons except that they would mostly be stolen and unlicensed in the first place.

[neverdie]

Yes mate, I am from those groufs

A few months ago I was having a quiet beer in a Thai bar when a member of the BiB walked in, white T-shirt so off-duty and already half cut, he started to point at various people in the bar and as each one looked at him he pointed to the gun on his hip, he thinks he is a 'big man' everyone else thinks he is a tosser or are too scared to think anything. That is the last sort of person that should be carrying a firearm. The fact that he was a BiB is actually immaterial, any country that allows anyone with an attitude problem, or the potential to develop one, to own and carry a gun needs to wake up.

Most of the population of this entire planet are not responsible enough to carry a gun, why anyone of a reasonable intelligence level can't get to grips with that is beyond me.

Interesting story. A couple of weeks ago I was sitting in a restuarant in Suphan Buri with some people when I caught something out of the corner of my eye. As I looked that way I saw a table of 5 guys, eating, drinking whiskey & two of them produced 'Glocks'. I immediately recognised them, as having previously carried one around for years. I noticed on of these guys was wearing a 'club shirt' and they were sitting their calming chatting and playing with their weapons. It appears they were discussing the use of some spare holsters they had.

Nervously I continued to glance over at the table, not because I had any inclination that they were bad guys, but the fact is they were drinking & playing with firearms, simple as that. Even if they were fully licensed, which I would suspect they were, at this point in time, those things should be neatly locked away somewhere, not being demo'ed at the local, nor being carried under the jackets of people at a social function.

I believe a complete ban, will NOT prevent societies worst from getting hold of them, but bouncing around the steets whilst 'packing' is absolutely crazy and serves NO PURPOSE!

[Insight]

No, but he's probably of a sensible group that realises that people need cars for transport & SHOULD be licenced to drive them. Its a major form of transportation in the world, yet Im not sure anyone has ever used a firearm for transport.

In many places its already illegal to carry a knife as you move about the place, but how could anyone get through life without a knife .

He also apparently can see that the amount of people that need to 'carry' guns about the place is limited & that strict laws can probably control those who want to possess them for other reasons.

Yes mate, I am from those groufs

A few months ago I was having a quiet beer in a Thai bar when a member of the BiB walked in, white T-shirt so off-duty and already half cut, he started to point at various people in the bar and as each one looked at him he pointed to the gun on his hip, he thinks he is a 'big man' everyone else thinks he is a tosser or are too scared to think anything. That is the last sort of person that should be carrying a firearm. The fact that he was a BiB is actually immaterial, any country that allows anyone with an attitude problem, or the potential to develop one, to own and carry a gun needs to wake up.

Most of the population of this entire planet are not responsible enough to carry a gun, why anyone of a reasonable intelligence level can't get to grips with that is beyond me.

And I have no doubt the cop you mention would have little problems firing off a few rounds if he felt the slightest bit antagonised by somebody in the bar owing to his inebriated state.

But I think you've hit on the real core of this problem, and the core of many other problems in Thailand - the police force is simply not developing at the same rate as the country. It's actually questionable as to whether the police force is developing at all. And as long as this remains true the govt can introduce as many gun or alcohol control laws as they want, nothing will change. Not for the long term anyhow.

[barryFunk]

It is that while the world has many morons, we cannot forbid everyone from buying guns/cars/knifes in the event that someone might, someday, misuse it. We can however clearly inform that driving safe, not drinking, not shooting guns in public during parties, not juggle with knifes around kids, is points to remember. And strictly punish those that fail on these points by endangering or hurting others.

Aside from your horrendous grammar...

... cars and knives aren't designed to kill people. They are designed to provide transport in the case of cars and cut things (mainly food) in the case of knives. They can be misused but the vast majority of both products are used for peaceful and productive purposes. Knives are an interesting point and they are banned from certain places (ie: airplanes, and in many places of the world, in public should the blade be of a certain size). Cars are dangerous and licenced for this reason.

Guns are designed to kill. Plain and simple. As an object, they accelerate a bullet which is entirely designed to penetrate skin and take life. They serve no other purpose and should not be in the hands of anyone other than law enforcement officers.

Am I being punished by not being able to carry a gun? Hardly! So why should you have one?

[TAWP]

Interesting story. A couple of weeks ago I was sitting in a restuarant in Suphan Buri with some people when I caught something out of the corner of my eye. As I looked that way I saw a table of 5 guys, eating, drinking whiskey & two of them produced 'Glocks'. I immediately recognised them, as having previously carried one around for years. I noticed on of these guys was wearing a 'club shirt' and they were sitting their calming chatting and playing with their weapons. It appears they were discussing the use of some spare holsters they had.

Nervously I continued to glance over at the table, not because I had any inclination that they were bad guys, but the fact is they were drinking & playing with firearms, simple as that. Even if they were fully licensed, which I would suspect they were, at this point in time, those things should be neatly locked away somewhere, not being demo'ed at the local, nor being carried under the jackets of people at a social function.

I believe a complete ban, will NOT prevent societies worst from getting hold of them, but bouncing around the steets whilst 'packing' is absolutely crazy and serves NO PURPOSE!

They might be fully licensed owners but I doubt they are licensed for CC. It is very hard to obtain such a license and rarely anyone even tries to here - besides those that clearly can state that it is needed for work. (One exception being for example some wealthy jewelry dealers in BKK etc.)

So those individuals were most likely already in breach of the law. Did this law make you feel safer?

I agree that individuals should have common sense, but you clearly cannot legislate it into people. Only educate.

[TAWP]

It is that while the world has many morons, we cannot forbid everyone from buying guns/cars/knifes in the event that someone might, someday, misuse it. We can however clearly inform that driving safe, not drinking, not shooting guns in public during parties, not juggle with knifes around kids, is points to remember. And strictly punish those that fail on these points by endangering or hurting others.

Aside from your horrendous grammar...

... cars and knives aren't designed to kill people. They are designed to provide transport in the case of cars and cut things (mainly food) in the case of knives. They can be misused but the vast majority of both products are used for peaceful and productive purposes. Knives are an interesting point and they are banned from certain places (ie: airplanes, and in many places of the world, in public should the blade be of a certain size). Cars are dangerous and licenced for this reason.

Guns are designed to kill. Plain and simple. As an object, they accelerate a bullet which is entirely designed to penetrate skin and take life. They serve no other purpose and should not be in the hands of anyone other than law enforcement officers.

Am I being punished by not being able to carry a gun? Hardly! So why should you have one?

Cars are not licensed. Driving one is. You can have one standing on your private property and even drive it without a license.

And the point that guns are made to kill vs knives supposedly are not. Alright, how about spears? How about the so called 'Rambo' knives?

How about fishing-hooks and fishing-rods? They are clearly made to capture an animal to kill it...

And I like you last point, typical social fascist.

"Am I being punished by not being able to carry a gun? Hardly! So why should you have one?"

Wow, if that was the basis for all laws...

Basically you are for banning everything that you don't like and against banning everything you like.

And we should always go for the 'most ban' in all cases? You want me to introduce you to Sharia Law?

[barryFunk]

Cars are not licensed. Driving one is. You can have one standing on your private property and even drive it without a license.

And the point that guns are made to kill vs knives supposedly are not. Alright, how about spears? How about the so called 'Rambo' knives?

How about fishing-hooks and fishing-rods? They are clearly made to capture an animal to kill it...

And I like you last point, typical social fascist.

"Am I being punished by not being able to carry a gun? Hardly! So why should you have one?"

Wow, if that was the basis for all laws...

Basically you are for banning everything that you don't like and against banning everything you like.

And we should always go for the 'most ban' in all cases? You want me to introduce you to Sharia Law?

Many places in the world ban things intended to kill such as the spears and 'Rambo' knives. And they should be. Anything designed to kill should be banned - that's my whole point. Your point about licencing of driving is pure semantics.

The point of my last line was not to suggest banning everything in the world that I don't need (but wow I'm impressed that you managed to read it that way!). My point was that I do not carry a gun and I have no intention to. It doesn't harm me not to carry a gun but it may harm me and others if you or members of the public unnecessarily do. I don't know your mental state or how responsible you are. More worryingly I don't know why you are so adamant that you should be allowed to carry a gun and that in itself is a worry!

[TAWP]

Cars are not licensed. Driving one is. You can have one standing on your private property and even drive it without a license.

And the point that guns are made to kill vs knives supposedly are not. Alright, how about spears? How about the so called 'Rambo' knives?

How about fishing-hooks and fishing-rods? They are clearly made to capture an animal to kill it...

And I like you last point, typical social fascist.

"Am I being punished by not being able to carry a gun? Hardly! So why should you have one?"

Wow, if that was the basis for all laws...

Basically you are for banning everything that you don't like and against banning everything you like.

And we should always go for the 'most ban' in all cases? You want me to introduce you to Sharia Law?

Many places in the world ban things intended to kill such as the spears and 'Rambo' knives. And they should be. Anything designed to kill should be banned - that's my whole point. Your point about licencing of driving is pure semantics.

The point of my last line was not to suggest banning everything in the world that I don't need (but wow I'm impressed that you managed to read it that way!). My point was that I do not carry a gun and I have no intention to. It doesn't harm me not to carry a gun but it may harm me and others if you or members of the public unnecessarily do. I don't know your mental state or how responsible you are. More worryingly I don't know why you are so adamant that you should be allowed to carry a gun and that in itself is a worry!

I am more worried about individuals that want to forbid others to do or have things they don't understand or like instead of being afraid of those that don't have a will to oppress others.

For example, I don't smoke, don't do drugs, rarely drink - but I would never be a proponent of banning them and think any and all victimless crimes should be decriminalized.

Gun control is a gateway drug.

[webfact]

UPDATE

Suspect in New Year's Gun Firing Incident Surrenders

A man accused of accidentally killing a young girl in Ratchaburi Province has surrendered to police.

As a result of the case, the provincial governor has ordered that gun licensing be made more rigid.

A man has turned himself in to Ratchaburi police after being accused of killing a girl on January 1.

The suspect fired a bullet into the air to mark the New Year, and, in an unforeseen accident, the bullet came down and hit the girl.

The accused, 34 year old Thanadej Siramethiporn, brought his 11 millimeter handgun to police.

Thanadej admitted to firing his weapon, but explained that he did not imagine the bullet would hit the eight year old victim, Kanyarat Warnthong.

Ratchaburi Governor Suthep Komonpamorn visited the family of the victim and provided financial aid.

He also ordered that officers be stricter in issuing gun licenses.

One of the victim's teachers, Nanthariya Petchudom, took classmates to pay respect at the funeral and offered merit making money to her mother.

-- Tan Network 2011-01-05

[HerbalEd]

I think there's a message in there somewhere - duh, ummm, oh yeah, here it is: DON'T FIRE GUNS IN PUBLIC!

Actually, the message is, don't let the public own guns.

So then only the 'outlaws' have guns, huh, makes alot of sense. Been shooting since the age of 6, and I have 'good gun control' believe me!

Just a wild stab in the dark, but would you be an American?

See if you can understand this...... Outlaws are members of the public too, members of the public that break the law. The only people in any country that should carry a gun are specially trained, mentally well adjusted members of a force designed to uphold the law, and they should not be allowed to carry them 24/7, only when someone who shouldn't have one is spotted being up to nefarious activities.

It would save many lives, or is the right to bear arms more important than the odd accidental death of a child.

Just so you know .... there are many more guns in Canada than in USA ... and the population of Canada is much smaller than USA. No, offense meant to Canadians, I'm just stating a fact.

[Thaddeus]

Just a wild stab in the dark, but would you be an American?

See if you can understand this...... Outlaws are members of the public too, members of the public that break the law. The only people in any country that should carry a gun are specially trained, mentally well adjusted members of a force designed to uphold the law, and they should not be allowed to carry them 24/7, only when someone who shouldn't have one is spotted being up to nefarious activities.

It would save many lives, or is the right to bear arms more important than the odd accidental death of a child.

Just so you know .... there are many more guns in Canada than in USA

Source please, everything I find says the opposite, either in number or per capita.

[housepainter]

I blame the girl. If she hadn't been a party pooper at home asleep she'd have never been hit.

That's youth today for you. No sense of fun. She should have been out having a good knees up like the rest of them. That way the bullet would have put a hole in the mattress and nobody would have been hurt. In fact, when they found the hole maybe they could have had a bit of a whip round and said 'We're sorry about the hole in your mattress' instead of ' We're sorry about the hole in your daughter's head.' That would have been a whole lot better hole to have. Indeed it would. And anyway, they have to buy another mattress as it'll be all covered in her brains and that.

And it's a sad thing if you can't indiscriminatly shoot in your own neighbourhood after midnight at the New Year's end. And is a man to live without a drink? Don't be daft. A few harmless shots let go by men with good gun control. So good that in all that time of letting off shots while drunk and in built up areas no child had ever been hit in the head before. Men who've most likely been around guns all their lives. Some of them from the age of six. And never shot anyone in the head till now. In all those years of trying. Couldn't hit a barn door. Until now. Excellent gun control that never troubled a soul as the shots flew off in all directions when having a drink and just a bit of fun.

What do you say to that? It'll probably never happen again. It certainly won't if folks get off their <deleted> and start to join in a bit of fun instead of staying in doors being a misery. That's what's wrong with the world today. No sense of fun.

And it wasn't intentional. They shot and hit a house. That was all. It was then that the bullet carried on and did what it did. I blame the bullet. The fella that fired it didn't think 'Here. Let's hit the sleeping child in the bed in the house on the corner over there.' No. He just thought 'I'm drunk as a skunk out of me brains having a bit of fun, firing me gun, as you do, willynilly, oops, where's that one gone?'

Never a second thought as there's never been a problem, in the good old days when folks knew how to have a bit of fun.

The only good thing to be said is that the funeral will unite the community. They'll come together a weaping and a wailing, with a few drinks of the old 40 degree, and we'll have a bit of fun remembering like. And maybe let off a few shots like, careful like, by way of remembering and showing the good gun control in the neighbourhood once again where the girl had her brains blown out instead of coming to the party.

And some folks do like to make a bit of a fuss.