Pheu Thai MPs: Thaksin Approved His Sister Yingluck To Become Party Leader

[Buchholz]

It could mean that, but it doesn't necessarily mean that.

Sister Yingluck as Party Leader and Brother Payup as PM would be the ultimate ticket.

Payup, How appropriate. how refreshing it is to see a Country where glove puppetry thrives as it does here.

His 2011 Campaign Slogan was coined (and copyrighted) last November by animatic...

quick.... slap a copyright on that. It's a sure-fire winning campaign slogan.

Payup Or Else!©

Maybe just corner the T-Shirt rights!

[Buchholz]

Returning a bit to the Mingkwan versus Yingluck wrestling title match, I note that the

Secretary-General of the Pheu Thai Party, Supol Fong-ngam (above), has come out in support of Mingkwan.

He's calling for a meeting of the Party's executive committee sometime next week to decide on who will be Party Leader and also who will be appointed Opposition Leader in Parliament (a position that requires the candidate be an MP). He then said this will be determined by former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Once the executive committee has its decision, it will be forwarded to a meeting of Party MPs for a final resolution.

The position of Opposition Leader for the House of Representatives has been unfilled for 2 years as the Party Leader during that time, Yongyuth Wichaidit, is not an MP. Just another example of the Pheu Thai Party not living up to its responsibilities by having let the important position remain empty for so long.

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Edited January 8, 2011 by Buchholz

[ChiangMaiFun]

They could see. That's why an entire election involving the turning of the voting booths around was invalidated. The marking of ballots was visible to others beside the voter.

That is true, and i was going to point that out, although i still think that it would be hard for anyone to say for certain whether all those voters bribed and coerced voted the way they were supposed to. For me it's the fact that this practice has been going on for years and years that sufficiently proves vote buying gets results. CMF's argument, if you can call it that, that TIT and that Thai politicians simply spend money for no good reason, besides perhaps "obscure" ones, is weak and nonsensical.

what a load of rubbish - never had I said they spend money for 'no good reason' what i said was much money is spent the world over for lobbying much of it is wasted - we have NO evidence - there is NO evidence - got that now have we?

[Buchholz]

Thaksin's sister may run in coming elections

BANGKOK - With elections looming, the younger sister of exiled former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra could be following in her brother's footsteps, a spokesman for the opposition Puea Thai Party said on Friday. Ms Yingluck Shinawatra, 43, however, has yet to decide on whether she wants to run while her chief rival, Mingkwan Saengsuwan, is busy canvassing members of Parliament, reported the Bangkok Post. "Some Pheu Thai Party members are throwing their support behind Yingluck as one of the Party candidates for (post of) Prime Minister, but we have to consult and vote at the Party's general meeting," said Pormpong Nopparit.

Both Mingkwan and Yingluck are considered inexperienced in politics, although Yingluck attended meetings of the Puea Thai executive committee and will be able to draw on the strong support her brother still enjoys in Thailand. Pormpong said the party will pick their candidate after Parliament is dissolved by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva of the pro-establishment Democrat Party. The exiled Thaksin, 61, faces jail term for corruption in Thailand.

http://www.todayonline.com/World/EDC110108-0000209/Thaksins-sister-may-run-in-coming-elections

Weekend Today - January 8, 2010

[ginjag]

They could see. That's why an entire election involving the turning of the voting booths around was invalidated. The marking of ballots was visible to others beside the voter.

That is true, and i was going to point that out, although i still think that it would be hard for anyone to say for certain whether all those voters bribed and coerced voted the way they were supposed to. For me it's the fact that this practice has been going on for years and years that sufficiently proves vote buying gets results. CMF's argument, if you can call it that, that TIT and that Thai politicians simply spend money for no good reason, besides perhaps "obscure" ones, is weak and nonsensical.

I've heard many times that voters will pretty much never vote for another party /candidate after they have accepted the bribe, because they are simply frightened to do so.

Years ago and old Thai friend told me that voters in Thailand are generally not convinced that it's a secret ballot. They pretty much believe that there are ways that the poo yai, the canvaser etc., can check, and they wouldn't take the risk of their family being named and shamed within the village, even up to fear of severe violence.

exact on the button my friend, I live in a very small village, 500 bht, i'll vote for him, why not, doesn't matter to me who rules in Bkk. If he gives us money, and we can buy cigs and whisky he's our hero.

[Emptyset]

TIT many things are done here for the most obscure reasons - many people throw money lobbying to no great effect - NOW if they could 'see' the votes - and you had evidnce that they could then that would be different

There's nothing obscure about the reasoning for vote buying. Shock horror, it's to buy votes. And if it didn't work, it wouldn't happen.

As to your assertion "many people throw money lobbying to no great effect". You are the one who keeps asking to see the votes and evidence for proof of whether vote buying works or not. So how did you manage to draw your conclusions that it doesn't? Where's your evidence?

"JH - Korn, why can't Democrats get more votes in the north east?

Korn - "I could talk about that all day. Northerners are less politically active and money politics is more prevalent there, and we have less money than the PPP. However I agree with Chris, money is the price you pay to play the game but it doesn't decide if you win or lose. In some areas Puea Pandin outspend PPP by three to one and still lose." http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand/2008/10/01/entry-1

Not sure about Korn's first sentence. I saw a study recently that said Northerners had a higher participation in political life than Southerners. Can't find it now though, unfortunately. Anyway, saying things like that, it's not surprising Dems are seen as a party of the south. However, I did find another interesting survey:

Table 3: Percent of Respondents Accepting Alternatives to Democracy, 2006 N=1546

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Non-Bangkok Bangkok Total

Opposition parties should 18.6 27.5 19.6

be abolished

The military should come

in to govern the country 20.6 31.0 21.8

We should replace parliament

with a strong leader 23.2 31.9 24.3

_____________________________________________________________________

There are significant differences between Bangkok and non-Bangkok populations, however, when it comes to support for these items. A majority of respondents in both areas are generally opposed to any of these alternatives, but there are significantly higher levels of support for authoritarian alternatives in Bangkok than in the rest of the nation (Table 3).

http://www.asianbarometer.org/newenglish/publications/workingpapers/no.34.pdf

More to say on this but don't have time now.

[Buchholz]

TIT many things are done here for the most obscure reasons - many people throw money lobbying to no great effect - NOW if they could 'see' the votes - and you had evidnce that they could then that would be different

TIT...if someone wanted to "see" votes when they are still hand-marked on paper and bundled like this with rubber bands,

it wouldn't be difficult.

Are we really debating whether or not vote buying occurs in Thailand???

Amazing Thaivisa.

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Edited January 8, 2011 by Buchholz

[rixalex]

what a load of rubbish - never had I said they spend money for 'no good reason' what i said was much money is spent the world over for lobbying much of it is wasted - we have NO evidence - there is NO evidence - got that now have we?

And you accuse me of being combative? Calm down man.

And no, i haven't got it. Start making sense, i might do.

On the one hand you are saying we have no evidence. On the other you are saying that much of the money spent on lobbying is wasted. So how do you know whether it is wasted, or whether it isn't, what with the lack of evidence thingy?

[frodo]

An interesting headline. Do they know something we don't?

Thaksin Younger Sister Became Prime Minister

Thaksin's Younger Sister

[Buchholz]

Thaksin Younger Sister Became Prime Minister

and you thought it would be ok to lay down this afternoon and take a short nap.... just look at what happened while you were dozing...

[hyperdimension]

An interesting headline. Do they know something we don't?

Thaksin Younger Sister Became Prime Minister

Thaksin's Younger Sister

From the article, Thaksin is an animal:

Thaksin is currently not able to return to Thailand to avoid a jail term, because it faces a corruption case.

and Yingluck is transgender:

If successfully elected as prime minister, then he will become the first female Prime Minister of Thailand.

[rubl]

I would think that your confusing Thaksin and the political parties that you have mentioned with the pressure group called the Thai Military who staged a coup against an elected goverment.

At the time of the coup there was no elected government anymore. K. Thaksin had dissolved the house in February 2006 for snap elections in April. The elections were boycotted by lots of parties and the result was declared invalid by on of the courts. K. Thaksin resumed as PM after the elections, stepped down again when these were invalidated and decided to come back anyhow, not endorsed by the highest authority in this country. New elections were planned for October, but the coup of September 2006 forestalled that.

An elected government carries on running the country until a new government is elected he was therefore still the Prime Minister endorsed by the highest authority so I don't know what point you are making.

The very simply fact that k. Thaksin stepped down as PM in April and then unilaterally decided to 'come back' made his status far from legal. The point I'm making is that the coup was against a self-appointed PM rather than a 'legal' government. Of course all this IMHO. If I'm wrong please do tell me, with references to those parts of the Thai constitution and laws which apply of course.

(edit: add: actually the OP is about "Pheu Thai MPs: Thaksin's Sister to Be Party Leader" with very democratically "Pheu Thai MPs revealed former PM Thaksin Shinawatra has given the go ahead for his younger sister Yingluck to become the new party leader.")

Edited January 8, 2011 by rubl

[Rinrada]

Thaksin Younger Sister Became Prime Minister

and you thought it would be ok to lay down this afternoon and take a short nap.... just look at what happened while you were dozing...

At least she is better looking than Maggie Thatcher was...... waiting obvious comment...one two.......

[Buchholz]

Thaksin Younger Sister Became Prime Minister

and you thought it would be ok to lay down this afternoon and take a short nap.... just look at what happened while you were dozing...

At least she is better looking than Maggie Thatcher was...... waiting obvious comment...one two.......

Mrs. Thatcher was married... Yingluck, at 43, isn't... with the obvious comment that can entail.

[Ricardo]

They could see. That's why an entire election involving the turning of the voting booths around was invalidated. The marking of ballots was visible to others beside the voter.

One can only applaud the continuing efforts of the Electoral Commission, to reduce or punish this sort of thing, and you can measure their success by the on-going verbal/physical attacks on them.

It will take a long long time, to eliminate this political-corruption, but at least someone is trying to do so !

[ChiangMaiFun]

I would think that your confusing Thaksin and the political parties that you have mentioned with the pressure group called the Thai Military who staged a coup against an elected goverment.

At the time of the coup there was no elected government anymore. K. Thaksin had dissolved the house in February 2006 for snap elections in April. The elections were boycotted by lots of parties and the result was declared invalid by on of the courts. K. Thaksin resumed as PM after the elections, stepped down again when these were invalidated and decided to come back anyhow, not endorsed by the highest authority in this country. New elections were planned for October, but the coup of September 2006 forestalled that.

An elected government carries on running the country until a new government is elected he was therefore still the Prime Minister endorsed by the highest authority so I don't know what point you are making.

The very simply fact that k. Thaksin stepped down as PM in April and then unilaterally decided to 'come back' made his status far from legal. The point I'm making is that the coup was against a self-appointed PM rather than a 'legal' government. Of course all this IMHO. If I'm wrong please do tell me, with references to those parts of the Thai constitution and laws which apply of course.

(edit: add: actually the OP is about "Pheu Thai MPs: Thaksin's Sister to Be Party Leader" with very democratically "Pheu Thai MPs revealed former PM Thaksin Shinawatra has given the go ahead for his younger sister Yingluck to become the new party leader.")

wrong... Thaskin was voted in by popular vote then came back as 'caretaker' until the election in October - which he would have won - so the Coup was staged in Sept to stop him - correct?

[gemini81]

Thaksin Younger Sister Became Prime Minister

and you thought it would be ok to lay down this afternoon and take a short nap.... just look at what happened while you were dozing...

At least she is better looking than Maggie Thatcher was...... waiting obvious comment...one two.......

Mrs. Thatcher was married... Yingluck, at 43, isn't... with the obvious comment that can entail.

thats 'cause some want the whole share for themselves...god forbid she'd have a joint account or a divorce settlement and a non family member'd then get some of their fortune.

[chuang]

Thaksin Younger Sister Became Prime Minister

and you thought it would be ok to lay down this afternoon and take a short nap.... just look at what happened while you were dozing...

In thailand anybody can be a prime minister, nothing is impossibe there.. :jap:

[rubl]

At the time of the coup there was no elected government anymore. K. Thaksin had dissolved the house in February 2006 for snap elections in April. The elections were boycotted by lots of parties and the result was declared invalid by on of the courts. K. Thaksin resumed as PM after the elections, stepped down again when these were invalidated and decided to come back anyhow, not endorsed by the highest authority in this country. New elections were planned for October, but the coup of September 2006 forestalled that.

An elected government carries on running the country until a new government is elected he was therefore still the Prime Minister endorsed by the highest authority so I don't know what point you are making.

The very simply fact that k. Thaksin stepped down as PM in April and then unilaterally decided to 'come back' made his status far from legal. The point I'm making is that the coup was against a self-appointed PM rather than a 'legal' government. Of course all this IMHO. If I'm wrong please do tell me, with references to those parts of the Thai constitution and laws which apply of course.

(edit: add: actually the OP is about "Pheu Thai MPs: Thaksin's Sister to Be Party Leader" with very democratically "Pheu Thai MPs revealed former PM Thaksin Shinawatra has given the go ahead for his younger sister Yingluck to become the new party leader.")

wrong... Thaskin was voted in by popular vote then came back as 'caretaker' until the election in October - which he would have won - so the Coup was staged in Sept to stop him - correct?

K. Thaksin was not voted in, his TRT party won most seats with major boycot by opposition parties. The 2nd of April 2006 election was invalidated BEFORE a new government could be formed. K. Thaksin announced on the 4th of April not to take up the post of PM after the parliament would reconvene, but continue as caretaker PM till then. He then delegated his functions to Caretaker Deputy Prime Minister Chidchai Wannasathit, moved out of Government House, and went on holiday. With the manipulations around the elections, needs for new by-elections, invalidated election, the status of TRT and it's MP's was in serious doubt. A caretaker government normally is not supposed to tackle ANY controversial issues as well.

Now this is Thailand remember? In other democracies the 23 January 2006 sale of Shin Corp. holdings to Temasek on the very day that the Thai Telecommunication Act (2006) became effective, raising the limit on foreign holdings in telecom companies to 49%, would be enough to force a PM to step down, a commission to be formed to investigate and the former PM to be forbidden to engage in politics until the matter was cleared. In other words, in most democracies k. Thaksin would not have been in a position to function as PM, or caretaker from late January 2006. A PM who should be hold accountable on an even higher level than common citizens, and should not engage is dubious deals, avoid taxes or in general try to enrich himself while being a servant of the country.

PS you are correct in the sense that the coup was staged amongst others to stop k. Thaksin, but not to stop a legal government. There was no legal government at that time.

[hammered]

That cant be right. After all we are told the PTP and red shirts are nothing to do with Thaksin anymore and he doesnt have any involvement with them.

Has Mingkwan exploded yet?

[Buchholz]

That cant be right. After all we are told the PTP and red shirts are nothing to do with Thaksin anymore and he doesnt have any involvement with them.

Has Mingkwan exploded yet?

That'll happen when he's forced to deal with the stress of being Leader of the Censure Debate...

I hope they have the paramedics on standby for him at Parliament..

His passing out and subsequent hospitalization while simply giving a speech as a Deputy PM in October 2008 is well remembered:

Perhaps Jatuporn can give mouth-to-mouth

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[hyperdimension]

Perhaps Jatuporn can give mouth-to-mouth

The vomit would surely wake him up.

[Throatwobbler]

you should all make up your minds - we have some yellow fellows saying Thaksin is 'authoritarian capatalist' and others saying 'communists'

There you go again. If someone is anti Thaksin they must be yellow. When are you going to realize that there are many shades to this argument.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

you should all make up your minds - we have some yellow fellows saying Thaksin is 'authoritarian capatalist' and others saying 'communists'

Who is confused?

Thaksin is a bit like a bargirl. If you have a beard and a beer-gut, she'll just love beards and beer-guts. If you are skinny and quiet, she'll love thin, shy guys. If you are athletic and dashing, she's love how hansum you are. If you have a mullet and bad BO, she'll find something about you to remark upon positively.

See her doing this to all, and ask her what is her most favourite as she seems to be confused as to her 'type'?

"I don't have type."

"Every type is my type."

"You're all ugly white farang to me."

Thaksin is a bit like a bargirl. Far less convincing, unless perhaps your mullet guy with bad BO. Really ill-advised to go questioning her claims too strenuously. It's been some decades between drinks. Just go with it.

And this explains the Red Shirts obsession with his wild promises that, when assessed in the cold light of day, sort of make no real sense.

But why bring sense into a love affair? That's not very romantic at all.

Until of course, one day, the mullet dude with bad BO realises the truth, and is crushed by the betrayal. Then again, he would have to take his blinkers of love off. So maybe the Reds will love the non-delivering promiser Thaksin for ever.

It's a love story. Just say Yes.

[ChiangMaiFun]

you should all make up your minds - we have some yellow fellows saying Thaksin is 'authoritarian capatalist' and others saying 'communists'

There you go again. If someone is anti Thaksin they must be yellow. When are you going to realize that there are many shades to this argument.

and when will you realise that some will use any arguement from capatalist dictator to commie to try and enhance their arguement? it's quite, quite pathetic - and as for your other point when will you guys stop painting anyone who is sympathetic to the broad red cause as a 'Thaksin lover'? hmm? many pots on here calling the kettles black

[rixalex]

and when will you realise that some will use any arguement from capatalist dictator to commie to try and enhance their arguement? it's quite, quite pathetic - and as for your other point when will you guys stop painting anyone who is sympathetic to the broad red cause as a 'Thaksin lover'? hmm? many pots on here calling the kettles black

Broad red cause? What's that then? Let me guess: rights of the poor and downtrodden underclasses. I hate to tell you this, but that is not the broad red cause, that's the pretense of a reason being used to give nobility and credibility to a cause that is in fact solely about a rich people's fight for money and power. Why is it not possible to simply support the rights of the poor and downtrodden underclasses, without attaching yourself or lending support to any side, be it red, yellow, pink or blue, because let's face it, they all have their own dirty badly-hidden agendas.

As for pots calling kettles, you yourself are a pot every time you trot out something like "yellow fellow".

[ChiangMaiFun]

and when will you realise that some will use any arguement from capatalist dictator to commie to try and enhance their arguement? it's quite, quite pathetic - and as for your other point when will you guys stop painting anyone who is sympathetic to the broad red cause as a 'Thaksin lover'? hmm? many pots on here calling the kettles black

Broad red cause? What's that then? Let me guess: rights of the poor and downtrodden underclasses. I hate to tell you this, but that is not the broad red cause, that's the pretense of a reason being used to give nobility and credibility to a cause that is in fact solely about a rich people's fight for money and power. Why is it not possible to simply support the rights of the poor and downtrodden underclasses, without attaching yourself or lending support to any side, be it red, yellow, pink or blue, because let's face it, they all have their own dirty badly-hidden agendas.

As for pots calling kettles, you yourself are a pot every time you trot out something like "yellow fellow".

twas a tit bit of humour... you are completely right I am pot too in this respect but TV is full of pots and pans that yell at me and a very few others everytime we dare mention that the reds have some points worth considering and I/we are labelled 'reds', 'Thaksin supporters' and all the other rubbish that I have endured over the last year or so - so you will forgive my little sarcastic turn right?

[rixalex]

twas a tit bit of humour... you are completely right I am pot too in this respect but TV is full of pots and pans that yell at me and a very few others everytime we dare mention that the reds have some points worth considering and I/we are labelled 'reds', 'Thaksin supporters' and all the other rubbish that I have endured over the last year or so - so you will forgive my little sarcastic turn right?

Maybe all that is because, if you are naive enough to believe what political groups here in Thailand tell you, they all have some points were considering, but yet you only ever speak in defense / support of the reds.

[SomTumTiger]

Her chances of becoming PM are the same as any PTP MP - Zero.

[termad]

Puppets on a string!

More like hand puppets, you know where the hand goes.

And fingers roll the eyes and move the mouths.

Not a position I find attractive..

It's always been about Thaksin, since day one

TRT, PPP, PTP. and Red Shirts as the street wing for turmoil creation.

Nothing but a preasure group, to manipulate the populace; fear or hope.

Either one, or both at once, if they think it brings advantage.

I would think that your confusing Thaksin and the political parties that you have mentioned with the pressure group called the Thai Military who staged a coup against an elected government.

Which staged a coup against a unelected government

that had failed to run a proper election, that it's own party had invalidated,

had over stayed it's mandate, and from which the acting PM had resign weeks before.

A bit different if you insert the facts.

The election was boycotted by the opposition which knew it could not win. Is that your reason for saying it was not a proper election?

Are you actually saying that it is the Military/Amataya who decide when a government has overstayed its mandate and that is a valid reason for a military coup?

The PM was not an acting PM he was the PM and would have remained the PM until a new government was elected. He offered to resign to end the impasse and then in fact did so but could not get Chuan Leekpai to budge from his anti democratic stance because Leekpai knew that he could not win an election against Thai Rak Thai. That is the reason for the coup and why in the end the only way to make Abhist P.M. was for the Military/Amataya to buy forty Phuea Thai MPs (the friends of Newin).