Back Up Generator

[Pilchard]

Looking for a small 13KVA back up generator.

Been to Kee Hin but their selection was limited and seemed expensive to me .

Can anyone suggest a place in Phuket or Bangkok with a better selection.

Or a Thai website , my web searches are only bringing up large skid mounted industrial stuff.

Thanks

[LivinginKata]

They usually have a good selection in the big tool shop between Lotus Tesco and Bangkok Phuket Hospital. About 40m left side before the traffic lights where the main road turns right.

[barka]

Depending what size you want..usually for home use..they have a good selection in Home pro..i have a portable Honda model..i have had for over 5 years it is sufficent to run TV, fans ,fridge etc..the equivalant China model costs about 8,000 bht in home pro ..I very rarely need to use it..works and starts every time

[ukfriend]

If anyone has a second hand back up generator for sale i'd be interested

[barka]

If anyone has a second hand back up generator for sale i'd be interested

you can buy a new one for less than 5000 bht with a guarantee in homepro..you probably cant get a second hand one for that price...

[LivinginKata]

If anyone has a second hand back up generator for sale i'd be interested

you can buy a new one for less than 5000 bht with a guarantee in homepro..you probably cant get a second hand one for that price...

a 13 KVA generator for 5,000 baht. I doubt it ...

[Naam]

If anyone has a second hand back up generator for sale i'd be interested

you can buy a new one for less than 5000 bht with a guarantee in homepro..you probably cant get a second hand one for that price...

a 13 KVA generator for 5,000 baht. I doubt it ...

(new one) 200,000 Baht, give or take 20k!

[barka]

If anyone has a second hand back up generator for sale i'd be interested

you can buy a new one for less than 5000 bht with a guarantee in homepro..you probably cant get a second hand one for that price...

a 13 KVA generator for 5,000 baht. I doubt it ...

(new one) 200,000 Baht, give or take 20k!

i did not say 13 kva i meant a back up generator for house use[ mobile]

[steelepulse]

I've had my Chinese generator for 8 years(it's still running just fine) and got it from Bangkok. If I remember right it's somewhere around 25 KVA and it cost 150K plus I had an Automatic Transfer Switch put in so if we weren't around to start it, it would start by itself and power the necessities that needed power.

[katabeachbum]

If anyone has a second hand back up generator for sale i'd be interested

you can buy a new one for less than 5000 bht with a guarantee in homepro..you probably cant get a second hand one for that price...

a 13 KVA generator for 5,000 baht. I doubt it ...

(new one) 200,000 Baht, give or take 20k!

for a cheap one

a silent diesel liquidcooled like Kholer is more like 5-600k baht

The marinas will know where the dealers for these in Phuket are

[Pilchard]

Thanks for all the info posts so far ,

I can find 13 kva(10kw) Briggs & stratton gens on the net in USA for 3000 USD (95 k Baht )

I'm happy to look at chinese stuff if someone can point me in the right direction.

looks like the search may have to continue in Bankok

Thanks

[katabeachbum]

Thanks for all the info posts so far ,

I can find 13 kva(10kw) Briggs & stratton gens on the net in USA for 3000 USD (95 k Baht )

I'm happy to look at chinese stuff if someone can point me in the right direction.

looks like the search may have to continue in Bankok

Thanks

try search for Lifan

[Naam]

i did not say 13 kva i meant a back up generator for house use[ mobile]

the OP said:

quote: "Looking for a small 13KVA back up generator."

[angiud]

I had mine 13 Kwa with diesel engine Thalaythong (thai-chinese) electric start, simple but strong for 70.000 8 years ago, now around 100k

[Naam]

try to search for TV-member "genset"! he was in my home last year when i was interest in a generator. he proved to be extremely knowledgeable. there's an extensive and educating thread on Thaivisa (if you find it).

[Naam]

I had mine 13 Kwa with diesel engine Thalaythong (thai-chinese) electric start, simple but strong for 70.000 8 years ago, now around 100k

may i voice some doubts on either 13kVA or the price of THB 70k? :jap:

[LivinginKata]

try to search for TV-member "genset"! he was in my home last year when i was interest in a generator. he proved to be extremely knowledgeable. there's an extensive and educating thread on Thaivisa (if you find it).

Here it is ...

[angiud]

I had mine 13 Kwa with diesel engine Thalaythong (thai-chinese) electric start, simple but strong for 70.000 8 years ago, now around 100k

may i voice some doubts on either 13kVA or the price of THB 70k? :jap:

13 Kw not Kva sorry I don't know so much the difference

Edited January 22, 2011 by angiud

[steelepulse]

718-4030 is the number I found on my generator. You probably need to add an 02 to it.

Edited January 22, 2011 by steelepulse

[Naam]

13 Kw not Kva sorry I don't know so much the difference

that increases my doubts. 13kW is equivalent to approximately 17kVA :jap:

[katabeachbum]

I had mine 13 Kwa with diesel engine Thalaythong (thai-chinese) electric start, simple but strong for 70.000 8 years ago, now around 100k

may i voice some doubts on either 13kVA or the price of THB 70k? :jap:

13 Kw not Kva sorry I don't know so much the difference

that increases my doubts. 13kW is equivalent to approximately 17kVA :jap:

and diesel engine needs to be at least 25-30 hp, +40 hp if it runs half rpm

[Naam]

i have a funny feeling that the whole thread started on the wrong foot

quote: "Looking for a small 13KVA back up generator."

10kW net output is not "small" if used for a private dwelling.

[Isan Farang]

http://www.kipor.com/pro4.asp?type_id=224

Thanks for all the info posts so far ,

I can find 13 kva(10kw) Briggs & stratton gens on the net in USA for 3000 USD (95 k Baht )

I'm happy to look at chinese stuff if someone can point me in the right direction.

looks like the search may have to continue in Bankok

Thanks

[katabeachbum]

i have a funny feeling that the whole thread started on the wrong foot

quote: "Looking for a small 13KVA back up generator."

10kW net output is not "small" if used for a private dwelling.

0,7kW is portable

2,0kW is possible to carry, so small

my 6,5kW Kohler diesel @1500rpm was 230 kg

10kW @3000rpm is BIG and 10kW @ 1500rpm is HUGE

[WatersEdge]

To straighten a few technicalities.

kVA is exactly equivalent to kW.

A Watt is exactly a VoltAmp

k means there are a thousand of each.

Power = Voltage x Current

P = IE, where I = Current

E = Voltage

Watt = Volt x Amp

but the order transposed to make it read like dessert.

The conversion factor (mentioned in error above) of 1.3

would be between Horsepower and kW or kVA.

1.34 hp / kW

If you are rating according to line power out,

you must also consider the efficiency loss of the generator

at around 0.90

Therefore the Horsepower Requirement of an engine

to drive a 13 kVA Line output

is 13 kVA x 1.34 hp/kVA / 0.90 => 19.35 hp

From that you consider the peak power output of the engine,

versus the most efficient operating power.

This is from the Engine performance curve.

The general figure of 25 hp mentioned above sounds in the right ballpark.

Considering that the load from a household will fluctuate,

with 13 kW perhaps being the peak demand

and the average demand being something less,

then perhaps a 20 hp engine will work just fine.

Siam Kubota sells a very nice little skid mounted unit,

14 hp Single Cylinder Engine Diesel RT-140

Electric Start

Rated at 7.5 kW

Asking price was B75,000 last year when I priced it.

When I read the request of a 13kVA small generator,

I ask, Which is it? 13 kVA or Small.

True, by industrial standards 13 kVA is not big,

but by household standards it's a moose.

13 kVA is a pretty respectable machine.

It's not a machine you pick up by yourself and slide into the back of the truck.

It's a skid mounted machine weighing in the order of 500 kg

[katabeachbum]

To straighten a few technicalities.

kVA is exactly equivalent to kW.

A Watt is exactly a VoltAmp

k means there are a thousand of each.

Power = Voltage x Current

P = IE, where I = Current

E = Voltage

Watt = Volt x Amp

but the order transposed to make it read like dessert.

The conversion factor (mentioned in error above) of 1.3

would be between Horsepower and kW or kVA.

1.34 hp / kW

If you are rating according to line power out,

you must also consider the efficiency loss of the generator

at around 0.90

Therefore the Horsepower Requirement of an engine

to drive a 13 kVA Line output

is 13 kVA x 1.34 hp/kVA / 0.90 => 19.35 hp

From that you consider the peak power output of the engine,

versus the most efficient operating power.

This is from the Engine performance curve.

The general figure of 25 hp mentioned above sounds in the right ballpark.

Considering that the load from a household will fluctuate,

with 13 kW perhaps being the peak demand

and the average demand being something less,

then perhaps a 20 hp engine will work just fine.

Siam Kubota sells a very nice little skid mounted unit,

14 hp Single Cylinder Engine Diesel RT-140

Electric Start

Rated at 7.5 kW

Asking price was B75,000 last year when I priced it.

When I read the request of a 13kVA small generator,

I ask, Which is it? 13 kVA or Small.

True, by industrial standards 13 kVA is not big,

but by household standards it's a moose.

13 kVA is a pretty respectable machine.

It's not a machine you pick up by yourself and slide into the back of the truck.

It's a skid mounted machine weighing in the order of 500 kg

usually enginepower needs to be 130-150% of desired electric peak output and lifetime will be short with such small engine running at max hp/rpm contionously

upmarket gennys run at half rpm to be quiet and long lifetime and more fuel efficient

my 6,5kW Kholer was powered by 27hp Yanmar @ 1500rpm. Quiet, low vibration, low fuel, long lifetime. All desired in a yacht

for emergency household, a 10k baht 2kW petrol unit works fine to run basics and possibly one AC if appliances like pumps and fridges are on timers, all not loading same time

[Naam]

To straighten a few technicalities.

kVA is exactly equivalent to kW.

to straighten a few technicalities... you are wrong! and i was wrong too claiming that 13kVA are equivalent to 17kW. it's the other way round :jap:

rough conversion of 13kVA into kW = kVA multiplied by 0.8 = 10.4kW

Edited January 22, 2011 by Naam

[ziege]

If anyone has a second hand back up generator for sale i'd be interested

Hello i have a Germany Generator vor sale . The Generator stay in Phuket. Send PM

Edited June 19, 2011 by LivinginKata
email removed as per forum rules

[cloudhopper]

No, time for you to go back to school. W = VA.

While this is true for DC, in most real AC circuits the voltage peaks before or after the current peak so the actual power is less than the simple product.