The Cows Milk / Soy Milk Debate

[eslteacher]

IF you could get true free range grass fed meat/dairy that is one thing, BUT they are still not foods for humans. Medical proved this 100 years ago. Our body cannot digest meats nor dairy and they require ACID to break down and our body is ALKALINE, so body takes calcium from bones to buffer acidity of wrong foods.

Fruits/nuts/seeds/leaves are our natural foods that keep our body alkaline.

All your needed nutrients are in these foods + sun exposure. Supplement with herbs is good too.

You can eat some meats if you want but we are not designed to digest them.

Any why would you want your nutrients from a cow. What does the cow eat for his nutrients to make all that beef ? GRASS

Cow's milk is not compatible with the human body. It doubles the baby cows' weight every 2 weeks. Goat's milk is closer to human milk.

If you want to go back in history to justify meat then go back 10,000+ years. There were no butchers, cookers, burgers. It is not natural food for us.

THe body needs FATS & SUGARS

Olive oil, nuts (fats for the brain) etc.

Sweet fruits (the 220 natural sugars for the humans) Never the commercial white refined sugars which are poison/over stimulants to the body.

Minerals come from the trees

Want a diet with NO fats & NO sugars (natural)....watch your health go down the drain.

Calories is a heat measurement and has no meaning with regard to the body's requirements.

I agree with almost everything you posted there EXCEPT for eating meat and dairy. We are designed to eat meat, saying we arent is just ridiculous. You got that the other way around. Our bodies are, ARE designed to breakdown and digest meat. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Sunlight (vit D) is essential. It is amazing how important this nutrient is and how much of a role in can play in disease prevention.

Another factor that often flies off the radar is stress. I would say diet is 80% to health and the other 20% are exercise and managing stress both of equal importance. Stress is unavoidable but constant, day to day stress can lead to a variety of problems.

In another words, if you want to be healthy, get your diet in check and exercise, play, socialize with friends and manage your stress.

[robblok]

IF you could get true free range grass fed meat/dairy that is one thing, BUT they are still not foods for humans. Medical proved this 100 years ago. Our body cannot digest meats nor dairy and they require ACID to break down and our body is ALKALINE, so body takes calcium from bones to buffer acidity of wrong foods.

Fruits/nuts/seeds/leaves are our natural foods that keep our body alkaline.

All your needed nutrients are in these foods + sun exposure. Supplement with herbs is good too.

You can eat some meats if you want but we are not designed to digest them.

Any why would you want your nutrients from a cow. What does the cow eat for his nutrients to make all that beef ? GRASS

Cow's milk is not compatible with the human body. It doubles the baby cows' weight every 2 weeks. Goat's milk is closer to human milk.

If you want to go back in history to justify meat then go back 10,000+ years. There were no butchers, cookers, burgers. It is not natural food for us.

THe body needs FATS & SUGARS

Olive oil, nuts (fats for the brain) etc.

Sweet fruits (the 220 natural sugars for the humans) Never the commercial white refined sugars which are poison/over stimulants to the body.

Minerals come from the trees

Want a diet with NO fats & NO sugars (natural)....watch your health go down the drain.

Calories is a heat measurement and has no meaning with regard to the body's requirements.

Your funny, just look at chimps they eat meat. The only reason we evolved our brains is because we started eating meat. Meat is packed with calories and much more viable then vegetables. We are omnivores we can eat most things.

People always were HUNTER (you don't hunt vegetables) Gatherers (you do gather them) for as long as we know.

[eslteacher]

IF you could get true free range grass fed meat/dairy that is one thing, BUT they are still not foods for humans. Medical proved this 100 years ago. Our body cannot digest meats nor dairy and they require ACID to break down and our body is ALKALINE, so body takes calcium from bones to buffer acidity of wrong foods.

Fruits/nuts/seeds/leaves are our natural foods that keep our body alkaline.

All your needed nutrients are in these foods + sun exposure. Supplement with herbs is good too.

You can eat some meats if you want but we are not designed to digest them.

Any why would you want your nutrients from a cow. What does the cow eat for his nutrients to make all that beef ? GRASS

Cow's milk is not compatible with the human body. It doubles the baby cows' weight every 2 weeks. Goat's milk is closer to human milk.

If you want to go back in history to justify meat then go back 10,000+ years. There were no butchers, cookers, burgers. It is not natural food for us.

THe body needs FATS & SUGARS

Olive oil, nuts (fats for the brain) etc.

Sweet fruits (the 220 natural sugars for the humans) Never the commercial white refined sugars which are poison/over stimulants to the body.

Minerals come from the trees

Want a diet with NO fats & NO sugars (natural)....watch your health go down the drain.

Calories is a heat measurement and has no meaning with regard to the body's requirements.

Your funny, just look at chimps they eat meat. The only reason we evolved our brains is because we started eating meat. Meat is packed with calories and much more viable then vegetables. We are omnivores we can eat most things.

People always were HUNTER (you don't hunt vegetables) Gatherers (you do gather them) for as long as we know.

Amen.

I have nothing against vegetarians/vegans. I dont get all bent out of shape what they eat but thats not to say I cant criticize their diet. Its not an optimal diet and its amazing that people ignore what humans have eaten throughout our entire history. We tend to ignore populations that have remained in phenomenal health for centuries despite eating food that is deemed by many to be "unhealthy." There are populations throughout the world that are in fantastic health despite eating diets rich in fat/cholesterol which are supposedly going to clog arteries, give you heart disease and cancer and yet disease is virtually nonexistent in these populations.

We are designed to eat meat. Those who say otherwise really dont know what they are talking about.

[Ijustwannateach]

Cameravisio,

Actually, the stomach specifically employs an enzyme called 'protease', which is designed to break down protein. Meat is just chock full of protein. Plants have it, too. I'm not taking sides on which are healthier sources of such overall, but to say the body can't digest meat nor is meant to- when our teeth so clearly are omnivorous and we come from a line of omnivorous mammals (any biologist would recognise from our teeth alone that we had a meat-eating history) with some predatory instincts- is a bit in denial of our body function, evolution, and design.

PS, the stomach is lined especially so it won't start digesting itself. If we weren't 'designed' to digest meat, there'd be little need for such protection, no?

PPS, you seem misinformed- as many are- about what 'alkaline' and 'acid' foods mean in the body. You probably think in terms of the pseudoscientific nutrition BS that has been going around that 'fruit turns alkaline in the stomach'. Not so; but the mineral salts left by digestion of fruit encourage the formation of basic compounds in the body and that gives a little balance to the acidic salts left by protein digestion, so that the kidneys have less work to do in regulating pH balance.

[eslteacher]

Exactly. Our dental structure indicates we are omnivores.

And our pancreas has a variety of digestive enzymes that are designed for both animal and plant foods.

[Niranut]

Amen.

I have nothing against vegetarians/vegans. I dont get all bent out of shape what they eat but thats not to say I cant criticize their diet. Its not an optimal diet and its amazing that people ignore what humans have eaten throughout our entire history. We tend to ignore populations that have remained in phenomenal health for centuries despite eating food that is deemed by many to be "unhealthy." There are populations throughout the world that are in fantastic health despite eating diets rich in fat/cholesterol which are supposedly going to clog arteries, give you heart disease and cancer and yet disease is virtually nonexistent in these populations.

We are designed to eat meat. Those who say otherwise really dont know what they are talking about.

Last question... What populations are referring to here? Where are they? When were they?

As for those of us who say eating meat is not ideal/optimal not knowing what we're talking about, I would respectfully disagree. Vice versa, actually But I don't think we're going to convince each other on Thai Visa, so here's wishing everyone all the best in their health & wellness endeavors!

[cameravisio]

Teeth - humans have only two 'blunt' canines at front top and bottom that don't cut thru much very well. Would you like to try and eat a cow raw in the field like an animal does ? Don't think you would get very far. You can only eat meat when it is cooked and cooking didn't exist originally.so it is not a natural food for us. Animals don't chew their meat, they rip it and swallow it, their stomachs are much more acid than ours, they have shorter intestinal tract for a faster transit time, their 'teeth' are much sharper then ours. They are meat eaters, we are not, the mouths prove it.

We can't break down meat in the mouth (first and most important stage of digestion) to a liquid as we can the natural foods.

Eat meat only for 30 days and see how you feel.

ACID stomach starts to digest itself eventually (stomach ulcers). Acid stomach is a default mechanism of the body to break down wrong foods. Stomach is meant to be alkaline naturally.

You can force the body to eat meat but it is not a natural food for it.

Meat 2011 – poisoned, contaminated, parasites, hormones, anti biotics, slime etc. + the meat

Cows eat grass. Feed a cow dead meat = mad cow. Feed a human cow meat = ????

PH – test your ph after you eat meats. And after you eat fruits. The body will tell you what the food is doing to you.

Protein: meat is fourth hand protein. Sun to grass to cow to human.

The body works way too hard to break down/get rid of the meat

Fruits/nuts/seeds/leaves have superior protein and require little digestion.

Run on a stomach full of meat ? And on a stomach full of fruit.......

Bodybuilders – get all that build up from meat ? Or you need the steroids/hormones/injections as a supplement ?

Gorilla – pound for pound the strongest animal on the planet – eats GRASS, leaves, a few berries/nuts. Or is eating steaks when we aren’t looking ?

The evidence stares us in the face if you use common sense

[Tolley]

If you are going to eat meat you should limit red meat and try to get organic cuts and get rid of all diary except perhaps low fat yogurt.

You should try to eat mostly fish and chicken and the chicken would be better if it was free range or organic.

In an ideal world a vegetarian diet would be optimal but it is too hard to balance for most people and requires a lot of effort in our busy world to look at everything you eat all the time.

[robblok]

Teeth - humans have only two 'blunt' canines at front top and bottom that don't cut thru much very well. Would you like to try and eat a cow raw in the field like an animal does ? Don't think you would get very far. You can only eat meat when it is cooked and cooking didn't exist originally.so it is not a natural food for us. Animals don't chew their meat, they rip it and swallow it, their stomachs are much more acid than ours, they have shorter intestinal tract for a faster transit time, their 'teeth' are much sharper then ours. They are meat eaters, we are not, the mouths prove it.

We can't break down meat in the mouth (first and most important stage of digestion) to a liquid as we can the natural foods.

Eat meat only for 30 days and see how you feel.

ACID stomach starts to digest itself eventually (stomach ulcers). Acid stomach is a default mechanism of the body to break down wrong foods. Stomach is meant to be alkaline naturally.

You can force the body to eat meat but it is not a natural food for it.

Meat 2011 – poisoned, contaminated, parasites, hormones, anti biotics, slime etc. + the meat

Cows eat grass. Feed a cow dead meat = mad cow. Feed a human cow meat = ????

PH – test your ph after you eat meats. And after you eat fruits. The body will tell you what the food is doing to you.

Protein: meat is fourth hand protein. Sun to grass to cow to human.

The body works way too hard to break down/get rid of the meat

Fruits/nuts/seeds/leaves have superior protein and require little digestion.

Run on a stomach full of meat ? And on a stomach full of fruit.......

Bodybuilders – get all that build up from meat ? Or you need the steroids/hormones/injections as a supplement ?

Gorilla – pound for pound the strongest animal on the planet – eats GRASS, leaves, a few berries/nuts. Or is eating steaks when we aren’t looking ?

The evidence stares us in the face if you use common sense

Same can be said for most vegetables. we need to boil them before they become edible for us. Just try to eat grass and see how good it is for you or bamboo

I wonder who brainwashed you.

[Chonburiram]

Amen.

I have nothing against vegetarians/vegans. I dont get all bent out of shape what they eat but thats not to say I cant criticize their diet. Its not an optimal diet and its amazing that people ignore what humans have eaten throughout our entire history. We tend to ignore populations that have remained in phenomenal health for centuries despite eating food that is deemed by many to be "unhealthy." There are populations throughout the world that are in fantastic health despite eating diets rich in fat/cholesterol which are supposedly going to clog arteries, give you heart disease and cancer and yet disease is virtually nonexistent in these populations.

We are designed to eat meat. Those who say otherwise really dont know what they are talking about.

Last question... What populations are referring to here? Where are they? When were they?

As for those of us who say eating meat is not ideal/optimal not knowing what we're talking about, I would respectfully disagree. Vice versa, actually But I don't think we're going to convince each other on Thai Visa, so here's wishing everyone all the best in their health & wellness endeavors!

Inuit, Canada, since ever, until now*

* since a few years they get a more "balanced" diet, so it will not take long time until they are extinct...

[czGLoRy]

how is there any debate? Enjoy the phytoestrogens in the soy and the lovely effects of that. only thing debatable is whether avoiding milk all together is best I think.

[czGLoRy]

If you are going to eat meat you should limit red meat and try to get organic cuts and get rid of all diary except perhaps low fat yogurt.

You should try to eat mostly fish and chicken and the chicken would be better if it was free range or organic.

In an ideal world a vegetarian diet would be optimal but it is too hard to balance for most people and requires a lot of effort in our busy world to look at everything you eat all the time.

Why? Missing out on a lot of healthy fats if you eat only chicken, of course free range is FAR superior, its not even close. All the omega 3:6 ratios are out of control when the animals eat an unnatural diet (like us). People who have very low healthy fat intake are at an increased risk of stroke, cancer, and overall death.

[edgarfriendly]

no one mentioned coconut oil yet?

its a bit pricey but super healthy and gives tons of energy.

dont eat it late at night or you wont sleep.

[tropo]

*deleted* (didn't realise the post I was replying to was a year old)

Edited August 26, 2012 by tropo

[mommysboy]

The biggest thing is to eat less and exercise more, not strenuously however.

Your question isn't easy to answer as best can be taken in a number of ways. Milk is generally regarded as a highly nutritious food, soy milk contains Omega 3 which is important. Some people have lactose intolerance which makes soy milk a must. Drinking soy in large quantities is not advisable for reasons already outlined.

From the point of view of losing weight, soy milk must be the best I would have thought.

But overall, read the first sentence again.