Thai Army Will Retaliate And No Longer Talk With Cambodia: Sansern

[kuffki]

Reports from Mathichon indicate that another round of clashes have broken out; Hun Sen's son reportedly injured /TAN_Network

All clouds have a silver lining...

Can you please explain what you trying to say? Are you now saying that Cambodian themselves hurt the son or are you now saying that Thailand is firing far enough into Cambodian territory so the son was injured?

[Robby nz]

The son Kuffki was reportedly the 33yr old west point trained Brig General in charge of the Cambodian troops.

Therefore he should have been clase to the action.

[random]

Reports from Mathichon indicate that another round of clashes have broken out; Hun Sen's son reportedly injured /TAN_Network

All clouds have a silver lining...

Can you please explain what you trying to say? Are you now saying that Cambodian themselves hurt the son or are you now saying that Thailand is firing far enough into Cambodian territory so the son was injured?

I guess he is saying it is ok that he got injured as it is only Hun Sens son, I see we still have no sensible conversation from TAWP on the subject matter. But no doubt he will put it down to friendly fire from the cambodians.

[kuffki]

The son Kuffki was reportedly the 33yr old west point trained Brig General in charge of the Cambodian troops.

Therefore he should have been clase to the action.

and? what is the cloud and where is the silver lining?

[Robby nz]

The son Kuffki was reportedly the 33yr old west point trained Brig General in charge of the Cambodian troops.

Therefore he should have been clase to the action.

and? what is the cloud and where is the silver lining?

Now I did not write that.

However I can understand what the poster meant.

To have a son injured in the fighting brings a direct involvement to Hun Sen and with a bit of luck will make him realise that there is a personal loss factor for so many people.

Something I doubt he has thought of before sitting in his palace.

As I wrote on another thread, what his reaction will be is another story.

[kuffki]

The son Kuffki was reportedly the 33yr old west point trained Brig General in charge of the Cambodian troops.

Therefore he should have been clase to the action.

and? what is the cloud and where is the silver lining?

Now I did not write that.

However I can understand what the poster meant.

To have a son injured in the fighting brings a direct involvement to Hun Sen and with a bit of luck will make him realise that there is a personal loss factor for so many people.

Something I doubt he has thought of before sitting in his palace.

As I wrote on another thread, what his reaction will be is another story.

Got ya, but you again assuming it is Hun Sen who started the whole mess not other way around and sadly i am of an opinion its the other side who started the mess for reasons i posted earlier not to mention a bunch of lunatics called PAD demonstrating and demanding war.

[DP25]

Reports from Mathichon indicate that another round of clashes have broken out; Hun Sen's son reportedly injured /TAN_Network

All clouds have a silver lining...

All it does is help prop up his rule.

[animatic]

After all these years with the temple being on Thai soil, why does Cambodia NOW try to claim it as theirs?

The land won from the Cambodians hundreds of years ago belongs to Thailand no matter what is located on it.

Yes, and why is the only enterence to the Temple from the Thai side? Cambodia is building a new enterence from their side.

Blame the French treaty makers, and French cartographers, who apparently were not on the same page so long ago.

[Robby nz]

The son Kuffki was reportedly the 33yr old west point trained Brig General in charge of the Cambodian troops.

Therefore he should have been clase to the action.

and? what is the cloud and where is the silver lining?

Now I did not write that.

However I can understand what the poster meant.

To have a son injured in the fighting brings a direct involvement to Hun Sen and with a bit of luck will make him realise that there is a personal loss factor for so many people.

Something I doubt he has thought of before sitting in his palace.

As I wrote on another thread, what his reaction will be is another story.

Got ya, but you again assuming it is Hun Sen who started the whole mess not other way around and sadly i am of an opinion its the other side who started the mess for reasons i posted earlier not to mention a bunch of lunatics called PAD demonstrating and demanding war.

Whether he started it or not he does have the ability to end it simply be saying "Right lets talk"

This he has not done up till now.

[kuffki]

Whether he started it or not he does have the ability to end it simply be saying "Right lets talk"

This he has not done up till now.

actually sorry to tell you but again its other way around. It is Thailand who stated no more talks as recent as 24 hours ago, it is Thailand who refused ASEAN offer to mediate and it is Thailand who has been refusing to withdraw troops as proposed by Cambodia for the last 2 years

[Nisa]

The BBC is reporting that Thai artillery has accidentally destroyed part of the Preah Vihear temple. If true, how typically Thai.

If they keep it up then there will be nothing left to fight about

[webfact]

Sondhi advises RTA to seize Ankor Wat among others as tactical move to get PV back. http://j.mp/gHoprh (link in Thai) /via@Thai_Talk

[webfact]

Army spokesman cannot confirm injury of Hun Sen's son;says Thai soldier captured by Cambodia cannot be tried; border situation improves/TAN_Network

[SomTumTiger]

Reports from Mathichon indicate that another round of clashes have broken out; Hun Sen's son reportedly injured /TAN_Network

Reported by who....This whole episode is starting to become transparent. The son who Daddy wants to see succeed him, is now turning into a "War Hero" for the people. This, ladies and gentleman, is called a lesson in "How to make your own Dictator 101". I am sure that injury was serious, paper cut, stubbed toe, hangnail. Surely a Purple Heart is in order...

[webfact]

Army upholding international law in self-defense operations

BANGKOK, 8 February 2011 (NNT) – The Thai army has confirmed that it has been upholding international standard in protecting Thailand’s sovereignty regarding the ongoing tension along the Thai-Cambodian border.

Speaking at a press briefing on Monday, Army Spokesperson Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd stated that the Thai army has been following international principles in its operation and the ceasefire agreement earlier made with the Cambodian side.

According to the truce agreement made on 5 February 2011 between high-ranking officers from the Thai and Cambodian ministries of defence, the two sides agreed to halt firing, make no military deployment, ensure that the situation is withing the control of military leaders of both sides and, finally, set up coordination units at the Keo Sikha Khiri Svara pagoda.

Colonel Sansern continued that the Thai government will not stop seeking negotiation with its Cambodian counterpart although the previous one was not fruitful.

The spokesperson also reported that there have been 25 army officers injured from the border clashes so far with two fatalities, including one civilian. He said villagers in the affected areas have already evacuated to the temporary shelter in Kantharalak district where volunteers are providing relief operations and military officers giving due protection.

-- NNT 2011-02-08

[SomTumTiger]

Oh, and guess what - the US will have thousands of military in THailand beginning this week for the annual "Cobra Gold" wargames. Want to guess how quickly a "Truce" breaks out? This charade was a manufactured combat opportunty for Daddy's boy to get some combat cred to boast his future "Dictator in Waiting" status.

[SomTumTiger]

Sondhi advises RTA to seize Ankor Wat among others as tactical move to get PV back. http://j.mp/gHoprh (link in Thai) /via@Thai_Talk

Quite a tactician this man. He want a naval invasion? Ever wonder who fired all those bullets into his car? Ever wish that....

[SomTumTiger]

Quote - "U.S. and other foreign forces are using Thailand‘s Vietnam War-era Utapao Royal Thai Navy Airfield in Chanthaburi province and other facilities, about 280 miles southwest of the fighting along the Thai-Cambodian border.The U.S. Marine Aircraft Group 36, 1stMarine Aircraft Wing, 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force, is deployed in Korat, about 180 miles west of the clashes.

U.S. boots are on the ground in this Buddhist, Southeast Asian ally, while a shooting feud between Thailand and Cambodia has killed at least seven people and wounded dozens more."

From -

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/7/us-starts-war-games-near-thai-cambodian-clash/

That scratching sound you hear is Cambodia quickly drawing up their exit strategy lol

[Robby nz]

Whether he started it or not he does have the ability to end it simply be saying "Right lets talk"

This he has not done up till now.

actually sorry to tell you but again its other way around. It is Thailand who stated no more talks as recent as 24 hours ago, it is Thailand who refused ASEAN offer to mediate and it is Thailand who has been refusing to withdraw troops as proposed by Cambodia for the last 2 years

Try this one:

Cambodian FM Namhong said to be traveling to US to meet UN, affirms no negotiations with Thailand unless UN Security Council mediates /TAN_Network

Now tell me who it is who will not hold bylateral talks.

[Steely Dan]

Sondhi advises RTA to seize Ankor Wat among others as tactical move to get PV back. http://j.mp/gHoprh (link in Thai) /via@Thai_Talk

So the PAD ultra-nationalists who claim they are not aggressors now want to extend the conflict by invading an area of Cambodia that is not disputed for (ahem ) tactical reasons. You have to hand it to them for cheek; After blockading the airport to bring a government down and in so doing set a blueprint for the reds to follow and now after trying with dismal results to turn to conventional politics they are out again plotting to bring down the current government with completely UNdemocratic actions. They are a joke and a laughing stock, but still evidently capable of destroying Thailand's economy with their stupidity.

[Oberkommando]

It speaks volumes that Thailand wants to continue the failed bilateral talks while Cambodia wants international mediation. Speaks volumes. Thailand doesn't want the international community involved because it is in the wrong and ultimately it will lose the claim over the temple itself, as well as the World Heritage listing.

History is just repeating itself; the Thais invaded and occupied Preah Vihear in 1956, Cambodia went to the International community, Thailand was forced out in 1962 when the International Court ruled in Cambodia's favour and took back rightful sovereignty of the temple in 1963.

So the PAD ultra-nationalists who claim they are not aggressors now want to extend the conflict by invading an area of Cambodia that is not disputed for (ahem ) tactical reasons. You have to hand it to them for cheek; After blockading the airport to bring a government down and in so doing set a blueprint for the reds to follow and now after trying with dismal results to turn to conventional politics they are out again plotting to bring down the current government with completely UNdemocratic actions. They are a joke and a laughing stock, but still evidently capable of destroying Thailand's economy with their stupidity.

What surprises me most is that a fascist group such as the PAD can command so many sympathisers on an expat forum where educated people really ought to know better.

[Pi Sek]

^^

I don't think too many people here are supporting the PAD, but more that they are not supporting Cambodia. (Of course there are plenty of those supporting Cambodia, too, and strangely enough they seem to be the same ones who opposed everyone-except-the-reds last April-May - it seems like your main problem is with the country you live in and its social nature and history!)

Why can't the Cambodians build their road that started this latest round of conflict on the land that Thailand doesn't claim?

My assumption is that Cambodia believes building a Cambodian road on disputed soil will add credence to their claims of ownership of said disputed soil.

Why can't the Thais agree to withdraw military forces?

My assumption is that, whenever there is no military presence, illegal logging, human trafficking and drug trafficking are rife. Military forces in the area in question are very necessary.

Why won't the Thais agree to UN mediation but rather insist on (failed) ongoing bi-lateral negotiation?

My assumption is that a neighbourly border dispute should not rely on external intervention. Such an action will only set a precedent that the two countries cannot trust each other and, whilst that may the case, we kind-of want to move the other direction in terms of human development. What's more, the necessity of a third party to "intervene" only shows that at least one party is being unreasonable when the two get together and talk.

Too much face to lose, too much in natural resources? I don't think so. I think that Cambodia incorrectly believes that Thailand will crack under international pressure and that Thailand incorrectly believes that Cambodia will crack under military pressure. Hence the current impasse.

I acknowledge the rumours of Cambodians getting shot on sight by Thai soldiers (though I can't say whether this is truth, more propaganda coming from the Cambodian nationalism machine or just a case of security forces taking out criminal elements in self defence) and I also acknowledge that Thailand did invade Cambodia in 1954 (so it's not unthinkable that the RTA might push their way in again). But, if you ask me what I think, I would answer that Cambodia has been playing aggressor in this incident ever since they put up that first stone in December or whenever it was.

Conspiracy theory!

There is something sinister here though, as shown by the simple fact that someone[i/] is lying, if both sides are not. I wrote yesterday I didn't think that Thaksin was involved in this but, thinking it through...? Just had a thought - Koh Kong, where Thaksin's casino site is and where Arisaman and Jakrapob are supposed to be in hiding, is just off the Cambodia/Thai coast. Thaksin has been accused in the past of wanting his own Republic with him as President for Life - is this conflict a case of Hun Sen paying him back in kind for previous (continuing?) support and maybe Cambodia will give Saint Thaksin his Republic of Koh Kong with 20% of all natural resources Cambodia gains in the upcoming maritime border revision?

Edited February 8, 2011 by Pi Sek

[Robby nz]

It speaks volumes that Thailand wants to continue the failed bilateral talks while Cambodia wants international mediation. Speaks volumes. Thailand doesn't want the international community involved because it is in the wrong and ultimately it will lose the claim over the temple itself, as well as the World Heritage listing.

History is just repeating itself; the Thais invaded and occupied Preah Vihear in 1956, Cambodia went to the International community, Thailand was forced out in 1962 when the International Court ruled in Cambodia's favour and took back rightful sovereignty of the temple in 1963.

So the PAD ultra-nationalists who claim they are not aggressors now want to extend the conflict by invading an area of Cambodia that is not disputed for (ahem ) tactical reasons. You have to hand it to them for cheek; After blockading the airport to bring a government down and in so doing set a blueprint for the reds to follow and now after trying with dismal results to turn to conventional politics they are out again plotting to bring down the current government with completely UNdemocratic actions. They are a joke and a laughing stock, but still evidently capable of destroying Thailand's economy with their stupidity.

What surprises me most is that a fascist group such as the PAD can command so many sympathisers on an expat forum where educated people really ought to know better.

Yes it does speak volumes that Cambodia wont talk directly to Thailand over what is a dispute between the two countries.

Cambodia wants to get on the world stage by trying to make what could, with their good will, be easily solved to the advantage of both countries into something bigger than it is.

Remember the Thai Deputy PM proposed making the disputed area of land (not the temple) into a heritage area administered by both countries for the advantage of both, no response to this from Cambodia.

I dont see anyone on this forum supporting PAD, the yellows.

The quote featured calls them 'a joke and laughting stock', even ends with the word 'stupidity' how do you see that as support?.

However I do see some red supporters who would also fit that description.

[Pi Sek]

What surprises me most is that a fascist group such as the PAD can command so many sympathisers on an expat forum where educated people really ought to know better.

What makes you think that expats in Thailand are, on the whole, well educated?

Of course, there's always going to be one or two decent types that slip through the cracks but, from my experience, Thailand attracts many dregs of Western societies (especially those tourist areas where foreigners seem to thrive).

The dregs come from a wide range - bums, crooks, policemen - but then there is a large element of retirees, many of whom by the nature of their age are not willing or able to learn new languages, so their information is second hand for the most part.

Give these people a PC, an internet connection and enough time to argue incessantly on the Web all day every day, and what do you get?

disclaimer - the views expressed in the above message are not necessarily those of an educated or uneducated person.

[DP25]

Reports from Mathichon indicate that another round of clashes have broken out; Hun Sen's son reportedly injured /TAN_Network

Reported by who....This whole episode is starting to become transparent. The son who Daddy wants to see succeed him, is now turning into a "War Hero" for the people. This, ladies and gentleman, is called a lesson in "How to make your own Dictator 101". I am sure that injury was serious, paper cut, stubbed toe, hangnail. Surely a Purple Heart is in order...

Yeap. Hun Sen already says he will rule Cambodia until he is 90. A border conflict in which the brave, injured young son leads the battle in which they successfully shell Thai towns and a leader capable of succession is made. Even better than the North Koreans, they didn't manage to have to have the son injured when they were shelling the South Korean town.

[warfie]

What surprises me most is that a fascist group such as the PAD can command so many sympathisers on an expat forum where educated people really ought to know better.

What makes you think that expats in Thailand are, on the whole, well educated?

Of course, there's always going to be one or two decent types that slip through the cracks but, from my experience, Thailand attracts many dregs of Western societies (especially those tourist areas where foreigners seem to thrive).

The dregs come from a wide range - bums, crooks, policemen - but then there is a large element of retirees, many of whom by the nature of their age are not willing or able to learn new languages, so their information is second hand for the most part.

Give these people a PC, an internet connection and enough time to argue incessantly on the Web all day every day, and what do you get?

disclaimer - the views expressed in the above message are not necessarily those of an educated or uneducated person.

Relevance to the topic?

[Steely Dan]

What surprises me most is that a fascist group such as the PAD can command so many sympathisers on an expat forum where educated people really ought to know better.

Quite, the Nazi jackboot is in danger of being followed by the PAD jackfruit.

[kuffki]

Whether he started it or not he does have the ability to end it simply be saying "Right lets talk"

This he has not done up till now.

actually sorry to tell you but again its other way around. It is Thailand who stated no more talks as recent as 24 hours ago, it is Thailand who refused ASEAN offer to mediate and it is Thailand who has been refusing to withdraw troops as proposed by Cambodia for the last 2 years

Try this one:

Cambodian FM Namhong said to be traveling to US to meet UN, affirms no negotiations with Thailand unless UN Security Council mediates /TAN_Network

Now tell me who it is who will not hold bylateral talks.

Whats the date on this one please? Just see the OP of this post.

things seem to change on daily basis.

Saying that, Thailand declined an offer from ASEAN or UN to mediate and i do not see a problem about Cambodia wanting to speak only through UN mediators, since all previous talks failed

[martin81]

Maybe Thailand should consider invading Cambodia and and set up a security zone to protect thai villagers from Cambodian Army?

I don't think it is acceptable what the dictator Hun Sen is ordering. I hope Thailand will not show weakness towards Cambodia.

I am saddened by all the comments here that are not supporting Thailand on this issue. Probably many of the comments come from people who are living in Thailand.

What is dictator Hun Sen ordering???

I would think it is obvious that Hun Sen are ordering the shootings at Thailand. He decides what is happening in Cambodia.

[kuffki]

Maybe Thailand should consider invading Cambodia and and set up a security zone to protect thai villagers from Cambodian Army?

I don't think it is acceptable what the dictator Hun Sen is ordering. I hope Thailand will not show weakness towards Cambodia.

I am saddened by all the comments here that are not supporting Thailand on this issue. Probably many of the comments come from people who are living in Thailand.

What is dictator Hun Sen ordering???

I would think it is obvious that Hun Sen are ordering the shootings at Thailand. He decides what is happening in Cambodia.

LMAO