webfact Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The Netherlands to help ease flooding in Thailand By Jutharat Thipnampha The Nation The Science Ministry, in cooperation with the Dutch embassy, is working on a flood-prevention plan as a long-term resolution of the erosion and problems caused by rising sea levels faced by Bangkok and coastal provinces. The Netherlands, in its capacity as a world expert in dam construction and flood management, has been asked by the government to help with the problem. A team of Dutch technicians and Thai officials will be conducting a joint survey of provinces along the coast of the Gulf of Thailand until Friday. The teams held a seminar yesterday on flood management, during which Dutch experts told officials from various agencies about the prevention methods they could adopt. Science Minister Virachai Virameteekul, however, said that both short- and long-term solutions needed to be worked out to deal with the problem, but did not provide details about the time frames. Meanwhile, the Dutch government has granted a multi-million euro budget to support the programme and relevant authorities are helping on the legislative side of things, the Netherlands' Ambassador to Thailand Tjaco van den Hout said. Netherlands began putting its flood-management measures in place decades ago, developing some of the world's best flood-prevention technology along the way. More than half of the Netherlands, covering more than 60 per cent of the entire population of more than 16.6 million, is 4-7 metres below sea level, the ambassador said. Flood-management expert Anon Sanitwong na Ayutthaya said the areas most at risk in Thailand were Bangkok, Chon Buri, Samut Songkhram, Samut Sakhon and Chachoengsao. "Flood management in each province is handled locally and lacks integral operations, which would be further consolidated based on Dutch technology under this programme," he added. -- The Nation 2011-02-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Seems to me Thailand had a team of experts in from Israel several years ago to help with irrigation procedures. They ignored them and in all likely hood will ignore the Dutch. It is not the Thai way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So good of those idiot Dutch to give money to Thailand. We have enough problems at home but still give money to other countries. As far as i know Thailand has no budget deficit but Holland does. Why would we give them money knowing that its an utterly corrupt country and much of the money will be lost. I do agree that we could help the Thai's with our knowledge but we all know how much the Thai's listen to others so its pointless. The only ones benefiting from this are the people who can get their hands on the money and those like the Dutch guy in charge who can play a big shot with taxpayers money. If the Thais really wanted help then sending people in who work for free would be better then sending money. If something is given for free in general its not cared much for. Just think of the Phuket Tsunami buoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kutjebu Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The Afsluitdijk (English: Enclosure Dam, Frisian: Ofslútdyk) is a major causeway in theNetherlands, constructed between 1927 and 1933 and running from Den Oever on Wieringenin North Holland province, to the village of Zurich (mun. Wûnseradiel) in Friesland province, over a length of 32 kilometres (20 mi) and a width of 90 m, at an initial height of 7.25 m abovesea-level. It is a fundamental part of the larger Zuiderzee Works, damming off the Zuiderzee, a salt water inlet of the North Sea and turning it into the fresh water lake of the IJsselmeer. Overhere they can do the same.When not,then over 25 years they don't have to be worried anymore,because Bangkok is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 seems logical to send the acknowledged experts in Europe over to sort this out they have a reputation going back hundreds of years for sticking their fingers in dykes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomyummer Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The Dutch government said they would help if the Thai Navy escorted the Dutch family and their yacht out of Thailand first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The Dutch government said they would help if the Thai Navy escorted the Dutch family and their yacht out of Thailand first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Seems to me Thailand had a team of experts in from Israel several years ago to help with irrigation procedures. They ignored them and in all likely hood will ignore the Dutch. It is not the Thai way. The Netherlands, in its capacity as a world expert in dam construction and flood management, has been asked by the government to help with the problem. A team of Dutch technicians and Thai officials will be conducting a joint survey of provinces along the coast of the Gulf of Thailand until Friday. The Dutch guys got lost while looking for a coffee shop. The joint survey makes perfect sense to me. Don't Bogart it...... Kaas Brood Win....:jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macmundi Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Fund Thailand? From the Dutch? Impossible. There must be a big chain attached. We all know how tight the Dutch are. They would sell anything and everything, including their own mothers. And to Thailand? we also know that at least half of the funding will be eaten away by corruption. First stop is of course through project bidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joop50 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Negativism is on top again here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meom Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So good of those idiot Dutch to give money to Thailand. We have enough problems at home but still give money to other countries. As far as i know Thailand has no budget deficit but Holland does. Why would we give them money knowing that its an utterly corrupt country and much of the money will be lost. No money for nothing. Most of it will probably be used to facilitate (bribe & rig) the way for Dutch contractors to get involved when it comes to future project management and bidding for contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So good of those idiot Dutch to give money to Thailand. We have enough problems at home but still give money to other countries. As far as i know Thailand has no budget deficit but Holland does. Why would we give them money knowing that its an utterly corrupt country and much of the money will be lost. No money for nothing. Most of it will probably be used to facilitate (bribe & rig) the way for Dutch contractors to get involved when it comes to future project management and bidding for contracts. But I thought the Dutch were squeaky clean and that the government and its contractors were doing this out of the goodness of their heart. Who would have thought the Dutch could be so European. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anterian Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Negativism is on top again here. Negativism or realism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So good of those idiot Dutch to give money to Thailand. We have enough problems at home but still give money to other countries. As far as i know Thailand has no budget deficit but Holland does. Why would we give them money knowing that its an utterly corrupt country and much of the money will be lost. I do agree that we could help the Thai's with our knowledge but we all know how much the Thai's listen to others so its pointless. The only ones benefiting from this are the people who can get their hands on the money and those like the Dutch guy in charge who can play a big shot with taxpayers money. If the Thais really wanted help then sending people in who work for free would be better then sending money. If something is given for free in general its not cared much for. Just think of the Phuket Tsunami buoy. i thought that the Netherlands was run by Muslims now? perhaps they think they are helping their brothers......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchberliner Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So good of those idiot Dutch to give money to Thailand. We have enough problems at home but still give money to other countries. As far as i know Thailand has no budget deficit but Holland does. Why would we give them money knowing that its an utterly corrupt country and much of the money will be lost. I do agree that we could help the Thai's with our knowledge but we all know how much the Thai's listen to others so its pointless. The only ones benefiting from this are the people who can get their hands on the money and those like the Dutch guy in charge who can play a big shot with taxpayers money. If the Thais really wanted help then sending people in who work for free would be better then sending money. If something is given for free in general its not cared much for. Just think of the Phuket Tsunami buoy. don't u worry about our business sense;) We 'give' thailand a case study and a proposal. This costs several million to compose. After thailand accepts our proposal they will be locked in for life because without our technology the place is still going to flood. so we will have water works and more importantly water works maintenance contracts coming in from thailand for many years to come. u have to invest to make money, didn't they teach u that back home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjmmi Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The Dutch government said they would help if the Thai Navy escorted the Dutch family and their yacht out of Thailand first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surayu Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Rama V in the early 1900 bringed to Siam a dutch engineer to find a solutions to these problems, needless to say, the dutchy gave up and runned away because he couldn't cope anymore with the level of obstructions/backstabbings he was going trough in his new life here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a51mas Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Rama V in the early 1900 bringed to Siam a dutch engineer to find a solutions to these problems, needless to say, the dutchy gave up and runned away because he couldn't cope anymore with the level of obstructions/backstabbings he was going trough in his new life here..... Feel like I stepping on poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meom Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Rama V in the early 1900 bringed to Siam a dutch engineer to find a solutions to these problems, needless to say, the dutchy gave up and runned away because he couldn't cope anymore with the level of obstructions/backstabbings he was going trough in his new life here..... The engineer's name is Jan Homan van der Heide who was the founding Director of the Royal Irrigation Development and worked in Thailand from 1902 till 1909. Gave up is maybe a bit to strong a word after 7 years of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryladie99 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So good of those idiot Dutch to give money to Thailand. We have enough problems at home but still give money to other countries. As far as i know Thailand has no budget deficit but Holland does. Why would we give them money knowing that its an utterly corrupt country and much of the money will be lost. I do agree that we could help the Thai's with our knowledge but we all know how much the Thai's listen to others so its pointless. The only ones benefiting from this are the people who can get their hands on the money and those like the Dutch guy in charge who can play a big shot with taxpayers money. If the Thais really wanted help then sending people in who work for free would be better then sending money. If something is given for free in general its not cared much for. Just think of the Phuket Tsunami buoy. Good point and why the Thai wait so long to get help from the Dutch.... The Thai should pay the Dutch for her services rather than the Dutch has to give the Thai while the Dutch is broke. No comment about where the money goes? It is a sensitive issue ...I take a stand for my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surayu Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The engineer's name is Jan Homan van der Heide who was the founding Director of the Royal Irrigation Development and worked in Thailand from 1902 till 1909. Gave up is maybe a bit to strong a word after 7 years of work. And i would hazard an additional thought on why there has been no mention of this previous collaboration, we all know that everything good in Thailand is the work of ONLY thai people, yes this dutch was an engineer but there is no way he could have even contributed to any works being made here, thai don't need foreigners, perhaps is the other way round, just look at the thai history text books and you will see the truth, ohhh this western propaganda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meom Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 ^ According to the intro to the book that was written about him his ideas went largely unimplemented. No surprise there really http://www.selectbooks.com.sg/getTitle.aspx?SBNum=041095 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon10 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Geert Wilders, do something because it gets totaly out of hand here! And yes, in this case we are the best, but as mentioned before, they should hire us to do so. Nothing is free in Thailand...is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Stuff to read: Dutch river defences in historical perspective Flood control in the Netherlands US urged to abandon ageing flood defences in favour of Dutch system Dutch-US water defences keep New Orleans dry A Dutch technician at the Maeslantkering flood defense in the port of Rotterdam told me in 2005 (or was it 2006?) that only a week before New Orleans' mayor Ray Nagin had payed the facility a visit with a delegation from the States. They were impressed by the amount of effort and money that Holland put into flood defense over time. He immediately stated later in local media that the US should more or less copy both Dutch technology and mentality because it is only humane to do so. Everybody cheered. Now, 2011, Dutch technicians are stating that even with their efforts to fortify the Gulf Coast the amount of defense isn't higher than it used to be just because, well, the American tax payer just doesn't want to pay up. The area is too poor, economical reasons practically absent. The same situation will probably happen here and if even a disaster in the US doesn't change policy then why would it ever change here. Edited February 8, 2011 by AgentSmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So good of those idiot Dutch to give money to Thailand. We have enough problems at home but still give money to other countries. As far as i know Thailand has no budget deficit but Holland does. Why would we give them money knowing that its an utterly corrupt country and much of the money will be lost. I do agree that we could help the Thai's with our knowledge but we all know how much the Thai's listen to others so its pointless. The only ones benefiting from this are the people who can get their hands on the money and those like the Dutch guy in charge who can play a big shot with taxpayers money. If the Thais really wanted help then sending people in who work for free would be better then sending money. If something is given for free in general its not cared much for. Just think of the Phuket Tsunami buoy. don't u worry about our business sense;) We 'give' thailand a case study and a proposal. This costs several million to compose. After thailand accepts our proposal they will be locked in for life because without our technology the place is still going to flood. so we will have water works and more importantly water works maintenance contracts coming in from thailand for many years to come. u have to invest to make money, didn't they teach u that back home? As an accountant i am well aware of it but why should taxpayers money be invested so private companies can benefit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So good of those idiot Dutch to give money to Thailand. We have enough problems at home but still give money to other countries. As far as i know Thailand has no budget deficit but Holland does. Why would we give them money knowing that its an utterly corrupt country and much of the money will be lost. No money for nothing. Most of it will probably be used to facilitate (bribe & rig) the way for Dutch contractors to get involved when it comes to future project management and bidding for contracts. But I thought the Dutch were squeaky clean and that the government and its contractors were doing this out of the goodness of their heart. Who would have thought the Dutch could be so European. The dutch are clean but i dont doubt that bribing does occur. The whole point im trying to make is why would taxpayers pay for this so private companies can benefit. The people paying are not the same as the one reaping the rewards.. if there are ever rewards in it for the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jombom Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Perhaps the second line of the OP report is put there to confuse the Dutch. The problem in BKK is subsidence, and not Sea levels rising. How long will it take the Dutch engineers to figure this out? About 3 days I reckon. After many musings on the subject, the Dutch report should make interesting reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SICHONSTEVE Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 seems logical to send the acknowledged experts in Europe over to sort this out they have a reputation going back hundreds of years for sticking their fingers in dykes spoilsport!!!!!!! Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finnomick Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Seems to me Thailand had a team of experts in from Israel several years ago to help with irrigation procedures. They ignored them and in all likely hood will ignore the Dutch. It is not the Thai way. The Netherlands, in its capacity as a world expert in dam construction and flood management, has been asked by the government to help with the problem. A team of Dutch technicians and Thai officials will be conducting a joint survey of provinces along the coast of the Gulf of Thailand until Friday. The Dutch guys got lost while looking for a coffee shop. The joint survey makes perfect sense to me. Don't Bogart it...... Kaas Brood Win....:jap: The Dutch guys were too confused when they heard it was to be a " JOINT SURVEY ".....they thought they were here to help with the flooding ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meom Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 ^ Private companies hire and pay wages to private people allowing them to buy stuff from other private companies allowing them to hire and pay wages to other private people etc.. In between there’s taxes here and there so in the end it all filters down somehow and everybody gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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