webfact Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Nationalism behind Thai-Cambodian rift: experts by Daniel Rook BANGKOK, February 8, 2011 (AFP) - Nationalist fervour and political grandstanding are stoking a deadly border dispute between Thailand and Cambodia but both sides will be keen to avoid major hostilities, experts say. Although the exact trigger for a series of armed clashes in recent days is unclear, tensions have grown since seven Thais -- including one lawmaker -- were arrested by Cambodia in December near the frontier for illegal entry. Two of them were sentenced to lengthy jail terms for spying, outraging nationalist Thais, who have held protests in Bangkok calling on their Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to resign. Observers say the recent cross-border fighting, focused on the area surrounding an ancient Khmer temple, is being used in both countries to stir patriotic sentiment with elections on the horizon. Yet while Cambodia Prime Minister Hun Sen has unleashed a torrent of fiery rhetoric, accusing Thailand of being an invading aggressor and calling for UN intervention, for Abhisit the standoff is seen as another unwanted headache. "Hun Sen is deliberately playing this to vitalise nationalist sentiment and reinvigorate support for himself," said Professor William Case, director of the Southeast Asia Research Centre at the City University of Hong Kong. Hun Sen is "something of a tough guy... but I don't think it will be allowed to get totally out of hand," he told AFP. "On the Thai side this is a confrontation that the leadership would very much like to avoid. The nationalism on the Thai side is not so much coming from the government but from the masses, to which it has to respond." "Yellow Shirt" Thai nationalists turned out in their thousands over the weekend demanding Abhisit's resignation over the issue. The royalist protest movement is strongly critical of Cambodia over issues such as the border row and Phnom Penh's appointment of Thailand's fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra as an economics adviser in 2009. Seven people, including at least two civilians, have been killed since the fighting broke out on Friday around the 11th-century Preah Vihear temple, with both sides accusing each other of firing the first shots. Ties between the neighbours have been strained since the temple was granted UN World Heritage status in July 2008. The World Court ruled in 1962 that Preah Vihear itself belonged to Cambodia but both countries claim ownership of a 4.6-square-kilometre (1.8-square-mile) surrounding area. "Nationalistic fervour is fuelling both sides of the conflict," said Professor David Chandler, a Cambodia expert at Australia's Monash University. "Kicking Cambodia around has been a Thai hobby since the 14th century; Cambodia biting back dates from the colonial era and of course from the World Court 1962 decision." Michael Montesano of the Institute of Southeast Asia Studies in Singapore said the border issue "certainly plays well" in Cambodia. "Cambodian efforts to protect their rights along the border and stand up to a stronger Thailand have political benefits for Hun Sen," he said. The 59-year-old strongman -- who has ruled since 1985, vowing to remain in power until he is 90 -- is looking ahead to a general election in 2013. In contrast in Thailand the government and military would prefer to avoid a confrontation, while nationalist activists "are determined to keep tensions with Cambodia on the boil," said Montesano. The "Yellow Shirts" were once allies of the establishment-backed Abhisit, but relations have soured and the group's political party is eyeing elections expected some time this year. "With elections in Thailand approaching, the country's civil society nationalists will play the Cambodia card to build up support for their parties," said Paul Chambers, a Thai expert at Germany's Heidelberg University. "Preah Vihear has fallen victim to ultra-nationalism on both sides of the Thai-Cambodian border." Despite the tough talk and casualties on both sides, observers believe the risk of a full-blown conflict remains slim. "It will be a matter of bilateral negotiations with the possibility of further skirmishes," said Professor Mark Turner at the University of Canberra in Australia. "It's difficult to envisage any widening of the armed conflict." -- (c) Copyright AFP 2011-02-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTumTiger Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Wow, thanks for that expert insight. I could have gotten that from any of the TV pundits (and have gotten it) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) PAD admitted , or more stupidly just stated last week, that their 'spotters' had already noted locations of Cambodian military positions, so they can be attacked. And they have 2,000m volunteers to do the attacking if the government hasn't the balls to do it. So they as such have confirmed that they have spies in Cambodia, and want a war to start so that Thai face can be preserved. But their 7 guys were not on a spying mission? Right, and pigs can fly, when not shot from a circus cannon. They are making moves on Cambodian military, but want the Thai government to fall because it hasn't saved their amateur spies from being arrested and sentenced. Utterly clueless fools. Edited February 8, 2011 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 PAD admitted , or more stupidly just stated last week, that their 'spotters' had already noted locations of Cambodian military positions, so they can be attacked. And they have 2,000m volunteers to do the attacking if the government hasn't the balls to do it. So they as such have confirmed that they have spies in Cambodia, and want a war to start so that Thai face can be preserved. But their 7 guys were not on a spying mission? Right, and pigs can fly, when not shot from a circus cannon. They are making moves on Cambodian military, but want the Thai government to fall because it hasn't saved their amateur spies from being arrested and sentenced. Utterly clueless fools. And now we have this from the other head clown in the yellow circus: Posted 54 minutes ago Sondhi advises RTA to seize Ankor Wat among others as tactical move to get PV back. http://j.mp/gHoprh (link in Thai) /via@Thai_Talk: I suspect clueless fools dosent do them justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonthai Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 nationalism is used by the political elites to divert people's attention from social issues. And it would it those very commoners, who will be cannon fodder, when comes to war. what is surprising, that people with some political awareness, might be fooled by the biased government and media information, to support war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Was there any doubt at any time that both Cambodian and Thai elements were playing the nationalistic card? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 And I would presume that Cambodia has done the same. It's as easy as walking up to a target with a hand-held GPS and selecting as a way-point. Even if you don't have computer controlled equipment, any competent officer should have all the targetting information required, 2 min with a calculator (abacus?) and you're on target. As for 2000 PAD supporters - "A disorderly mob is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house"-Socrates. But go for it boys - it would be more fun than watching christians being fed to the lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oberkommando Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I thought Thaksin was instigating this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felt 35 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Reading between the lines in the last day’s newspapers makes one feel that the World Heritage committee is as fault and the sole reason between the fighting. Makes one wonder...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickyrice2000 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I thought Thaksin was instigating this? I can't believe that you took the words out of mouth. Someone from afar is behind this. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elshaheen Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thai's going experimenting with nationalism. I know Thais will buy into anything that is absolutely crazy and stupid. Such as …………………………………………………….. What will be next, Thaksin landing at the airport and Thai's shouting, raising their arm say, Führer has landed, Heil Thaskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb1944 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 And I would presume that Cambodia has done the same. It's as easy as walking up to a target with a hand-held GPS and selecting as a way-point. Even if you don't have computer controlled equipment, any competent officer should have all the targetting information required, 2 min with a calculator (abacus?) and you're on target. As for 2000 PAD supporters - "A disorderly mob is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house"-Socrates. But go for it boys - it would be more fun than watching christians being fed to the lions. Spot on Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaCheese Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Nice article, khun Voranai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The obvious is suddenly stated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 hopefully the next generations of thai politicians will have some Voranais :jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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