Red Shirts Promise Rally Of 'Unprecedented Numbers'

[MaiChai]

It's great that opinionated farang have a place (TV) where they can rant about the "inconveniences" that are part of a textbook class struggle. The Reds can be denigrated for fighting for their fair of share, and making it difficult to shop.

You'll have to show me which textbook has class struggles led by a billionaire.

Or where the leaders stay in 5 star hotels while the rank and file sleep on the streets? I believe they call this champaign socialism?

[Misterwhisper]

"Unprecedented numbers". Well, at least they have become a bit more cautious in their statements and don't actually cite figures anymore in order to save themselves the embarrassment when not even close the targeted numbers of protesters turn up.

In any case, it once again will be a huuuuuge inconvenience for Bangkok businesspeople, shoppers and residents alike. This time everyone even can look forward to 1 million of red origami cranes being dumped in the streets by those clowns. Who's going to clean up afterwards? It certainly won't be the Redshirts.

With their poor choice of protesting venue the Redshirts will only succeed in further alienating local people. Wouldn't it make more sense if they staged their protests in the inner cities of their home provinces like Korat, Buriram, Khonkaen, et al? You know why not? because that really would erode their support base beyond repair. Nobody (and that is, NOBODY!) wants to be constantly harrassed by that bunch, not even their own sympathisers.

[jayjay0]

Something just seems very wrong with the fact these lunatics keep using reasons to hold these rallies that only relate to the consequences of the rally (rioting) last year.

Even though they turned down early elections last year (that would have already happened) and walked away with nothing but causing pain for themselves and all the people of Thailand they continue to stage these events where they continue to get bolder and provoke police as they did last year. Do they really expect to see a different result?

They are not using these rallies to get a message out .. they are using them to intimidate and inconvenience the country to get their way.

Why are they not forced to pay for the added police presence as well as compensating those people and businesses that are effected by these constant gatherings? Ok, let them do it once but to do this nonsense every other week (or more) is excessive.

I personally predict that they are going to get very bold this time around and may actually once again try to spur a revolution or cripple the government. Somebody should tell them before hand this only works in a country where the people want one. One can only imagine how well off these so called poor farmers would be if they used the resources they continue to waste on these gatherings to help advance their own lives.

You asked

Why are they not forced to pay for the added police presence as well as compensating those people and businesses that are effected by these constant gatherings? Ok, let them do it once but to do this nonsense every other week (or more) is excessive.

Why were they even allowed to hold protests without paying for there previous actions last spring.:jap:

[toenail]

I wish all parties, Red, Yellow, Blue...Orange ?) would take a civics class in Thai government. The Yellow Shirts and Red Shirts are like mosquitoes buzzing in ones ear. What a nuisance and an example of stupidity.

[stepenwolf1958]

No it's not.

What do you think is about? I am curious to see what is in your opinion.

[stepenwolf1958]

Red-shirt Members Demand Justice for Jailed Leaders

Red-shirt supporters from various provinces are gathering to submit a letter demanding fair treatment for jailed red-shirt leaders.

Earlier today in front of the Sakon Nakhon Court, red-shirt elements led by Sakrapee Phromchart submitted a letter to the Sakhon Nakhon Court Committee. Court Director Ampai Charoensri received the letter.

The letter highlighted personal opinions of the detained red-shirt leaders demanding justice and freedom by drawing up a comparison of their trial to that of the rival People's Alliance for Democracy, or the yellow-shirt group. The jailed red-shirt leaders said that they faced similar charges, but the yellow-shirt leaders were granted bail.

Hence, the detained leaders are asking for proper proceedings in order to receive fair treatment.

Red-shirt supporters in Petchaburi and neighboring provinces have also gathered to submit a letter with demands for justice and fair treatment of the detained red-shirt leaders to the Petchburi Court as their bail requests have been rejected.

Pethcburi red-shirt leader Kraisri Pajonsil and other core leaders are continuing to demand justice for the detained red-shirt members who have not been granted bail across the country and will continue to travel to provincial courts nationwide until their demand is addressed.

-- Tan Network 2011-02-17

How long suspects can be detained? How much time is there a deadline to carry out the suspect to court? Do you have information about Thai law? Each country has a time limit as to bring the suspects to court and if this is not done within that time the suspect is released from custody.

Moreover, if this period is exceeded it must to be paid for damages to the suspect for every day exceeding the limit. No matter what kind of crime. What Thai law says?

[stepenwolf1958]

I wish all parties, Red, Yellow, Blue...Orange ?) would take a civics class in Thai government. The Yellow Shirts and Red Shirts are like mosquitoes buzzing in ones ear. What a nuisance and an example of stupidity.

Your idea about civics classes is very good but i am afraid you wrong about where that should be. Unfortunately, I am afraid the recent Government can not be the right place for that. Or, in other words, some members of Cabinet, even, should to go to that classes as first. Then to teach others. Until any member of Cabinet have muddy background in past or any corruption scandal which never was cleared.

[pedro01]

It's great that opinionated farang have a place (TV) where they can rant about the "inconveniences" that are part of a textbook class struggle. The Reds can be denigrated for fighting for their fair of share, and making it difficult to shop.

You'll have to show me which textbook has class struggles led by a billionaire.

Let's just say for a second that there is actually a group called the 'red shirts' that exists outside of Thaksing & UDD.

What is their fair share? We are taling about communism, right? Is it a redistribution of land & wealth?

If not - what is their fair share? Thailand is a country that attracts manufacturing because of the cheap supply of unskilled labour. Are we suggesting that factories in Thailand pay more? Won't they just go elsewhere?

What has your average red shirt done to better their own situation? Have they learnt a new skill but failed to find a job?

What exactly is it that can be done for the poor that are over school age? I can understand that people in education can be given a much better deal but realistically, for someone that left school at 12 years old, is totally without skills - what exactly is society supposed to give them & how is it paid for?

[bulmercke]

Tomorrow's march to the Democracy Monument along Petchburi Road has the potential to be a flash point. Everyone assumes they will march onto Lan Luang Road from Petchburi Road but what if a break away group continues straight ahead onto Phitsanulok Road which will bring them to Government House and the PAD. I wonder if this way will be blocked by the police tomorrow.

Edited February 17, 2011 by bulmercke

[phetaroi]

Do you also agree the Yellowshirts should be forced to pay for the economic damage they did to the country when they shut down the airport in late 2009?

Not exactly sure where you're coming from on this, but you seem to be implying that the actions of the Yellow Shirts is equivalent to the actions of the Red Shirts.

Let's see, the Yellow Shirts shut down the airport for days. The Red Shirts shut down the central business district for days/weeks. Maybe sort of equal.

The Red Shirts burned down 31 buildings. The Yellow Shirts burned down...oops...none.

[stepenwolf1958]

Do you also agree the Yellowshirts should be forced to pay for the economic damage they did to the country when they shut down the airport in late 2009?

Not exactly sure where you're coming from on this, but you seem to be implying that the actions of the Yellow Shirts is equivalent to the actions of the Red Shirts.

Let's see, the Yellow Shirts shut down the airport for days. The Red Shirts shut down the central business district for days/weeks. Maybe sort of equal.

The Red Shirts burned down 31 buildings. The Yellow Shirts burned down...oops...none.

It would be nice we talk here and don't be sarcastic. The question of Heybruce is logical and is fair.

If i would be sarcastic, i could say for your words "The Yellow Shirts burned down...oops...none." that it is incomparable. Yellows had on opposite side the Government who understood situation so stepped down, even they could call the army and command killing. Which wasn't case with red shirt protestors. They were not so lucky to have wise Government as opposite side.

[whybother]

It would be nice we talk here and don't be sarcastic. The question of Heybruce is logical and is fair.

If i would be sarcastic, i could say for your words "The Yellow Shirts burned down...oops...none." that it is incomparable. Yellows had on opposite side the Government who understood situation so stepped down, even they could call the army and command killing. Which wasn't case with red shirt protestors. They were not so lucky to have wise Government as opposite side.

But the Somchai government didn't step down. They were kicked out by the courts.

edit: and from what I understand, they did call the army.

Edited February 17, 2011 by whybother

[Buchholz]

Do you also agree the Yellowshirts should be forced to pay for the economic damage they did to the country when they shut down the airport in late 2009?

Not exactly sure where you're coming from on this, but you seem to be implying that the actions of the Yellow Shirts is equivalent to the actions of the Red Shirts.

Let's see, the Yellow Shirts shut down the airport for days. The Red Shirts shut down the central business district for days/weeks. Maybe sort of equal.

The Red Shirts burned down 31 buildings. The Yellow Shirts burned down...oops...none.

It would be nice we talk here and don't be sarcastic. The question of Heybruce is logical and is fair.

If i would be sarcastic, i could say for your words "The Yellow Shirts burned down...oops...none." that it is incomparable. Yellows had on opposite side the Government who understood situation so stepped down, even they could call the army and command killing. Which wasn't case with red shirt protestors. They were not so lucky to have wise Government as opposite side.

I've read a lot of descriptions of the Yaowapa (and Somchai) government, but never encountered "wise" before. Congratulations on charting new waters.

Banned TRT MP Yaowapa (far left on sofa) and banned PPP MP Somchai (far right on sofa) with a few friends and family.

p.s. As said, they were both thrown out of their elected positions because of electoral fraud committed by their respective political parties. They did not "step down."

.

Edited February 17, 2011 by Buchholz

[hyperdimension]

Tomorrow's march

Tomorrow is February 18, 2011. If February 19 is actually tomorrow for you then this shows you aren't even in Thailand, (maybe in Australia or New Zealand) and would therefore have less of an idea of what really has been going on here than those who live in Thailand.

[bulmercke]

Tomorrow's march

Tomorrow is February 18, 2011. If February 19 is actually tomorrow for you then this shows you aren't even in Thailand, (maybe in Australia or New Zealand) and would therefore have less of an idea of what really has been going on here than those who live in Thailand.

Hi hyperdimension - yes - of course - February 19 is Saturday and not tomorrow. My mistake. Thanks for the reminder.

QUOTE:"....and would therefore have less of an idea of what really has been going on here than those who live in Thailand." That's what I like about the anti-Red brigade on TV - they never miss an opportunity to put down a Red-Shirt if they can. Sad and pathetic.

[stepenwolf1958]

It would be nice we talk here and don't be sarcastic. The question of Heybruce is logical and is fair.

If i would be sarcastic, i could say for your words "The Yellow Shirts burned down...oops...none." that it is incomparable. Yellows had on opposite side the Government who understood situation so stepped down, even they could call the army and command killing. Which wasn't case with red shirt protestors. They were not so lucky to have wise Government as opposite side.

But the Somchai government didn't step down. They were kicked out by the courts.

edit: and from what I understand, they did call the army.

I will admit that i don't know much about what way they left office(i thought it was because of yellows) but in your post is something i would like you make me more clear. You said it was because of court. Is that mean yellows made all of that mess for nothing?

Next, you said they called the army. What happened then? Army didn't want to do against yellows as they did against reds or what?

[whybother]

It would be nice we talk here and don't be sarcastic. The question of Heybruce is logical and is fair.

If i would be sarcastic, i could say for your words "The Yellow Shirts burned down...oops...none." that it is incomparable. Yellows had on opposite side the Government who understood situation so stepped down, even they could call the army and command killing. Which wasn't case with red shirt protestors. They were not so lucky to have wise Government as opposite side.

But the Somchai government didn't step down. They were kicked out by the courts.

edit: and from what I understand, they did call the army.

I will admit that i don't know much about what way they left office(i thought it was because of yellows) but in your post is something i would like you make me more clear. You said it was because of court. Is that mean yellows made all of that mess for nothing?

Next, you said they called the army. What happened then? Army didn't want to do against yellows as they did against reds or what?

The yellows were protesting (for quite a few months) to stop the Samak and Somchai governments from changing laws that would have whitewashed Thaksin's crimes. One of the reasons they blocked the airports was to stop Somchai getting out of (or at least make it hard for him to get out of) the airport ... hence protests at Don Muaeng AND Suvharnibhumi (and Phuket ... of course, they wouldn't have coped so well protesting in Chiang Mai, which is where Somchai headed off to, as I understand.) The yellows left voluntarily a day after the courts disbanded the PPP. The airport was open 2 days after that.

I don't know the exact reasons why the army didn't get involved. I did read somewhere that it had something to do with the PPP government not giving the army enough legal protection for what they were being asked to do. But you do have to remember, the yellow shirts were only at the airport for 9 days. How long before the army did anything against the red shirts?

[rubl]

Tomorrow's march to the Democracy Monument along Petchburi Road has the potential to be a flash point. Everyone assumes they will march onto Lan Luang Road from Petchburi Road but what if a break away group continues straight ahead onto Phitsanulok Road which will bring them to Government House and the PAD. I wonder if this way will be blocked by the police tomorrow.

What if, what if, true. What if Saturday the moon falls down ?

Anyway lots of police around to avoid a red-yellow conflict. Both parties also warned for whatever it's worth. I predict a coup and a massacre like on April the 10th 2010 just before the two colours start fighting, IMHO of course. Sorry but i will not take bets on it

[bulmercke]

Tomorrow's march to the Democracy Monument along Petchburi Road has the potential to be a flash point. Everyone assumes they will march onto Lan Luang Road from Petchburi Road but what if a break away group continues straight ahead onto Phitsanulok Road which will bring them to Government House and the PAD. I wonder if this way will be blocked by the police tomorrow.

What if, what if, true. What if Saturday the moon falls down ?

Anyway lots of police around to avoid a red-yellow conflict. Both parties also warned for whatever it's worth. I predict a coup and a massacre like on April the 10th 2010 just before the two colours start fighting, IMHO of course. Sorry but i will not take bets on it

The police say that several - ten or so - companies of police will be on hand at Ratchaprasong to maintain order - but what about other areas the Reds will be marching in to? Selective policing. Tbere are either hundreds of them or not one to be seen in sight.

[rubl]

Tomorrow's march to the Democracy Monument along Petchburi Road has the potential to be a flash point. Everyone assumes they will march onto Lan Luang Road from Petchburi Road but what if a break away group continues straight ahead onto Phitsanulok Road which will bring them to Government House and the PAD. I wonder if this way will be blocked by the police tomorrow.

What if, what if, true. What if Saturday the moon falls down ?

Anyway lots of police around to avoid a red-yellow conflict. Both parties also warned for whatever it's worth. I predict a coup and a massacre like on April the 10th 2010 just before the two colours start fighting, IMHO of course. Sorry but i will not take bets on it

The police say that several - ten or so - companies of police will be on hand at Ratchaprasong to maintain order - but what about other areas the Reds will be marching in to? Selective policing. Tbere are either hundreds of them or not one to be seen in sight.

Don't worry, the moon will fall down, seen it reading the tea leaves

[kdc1899]

Was he speaking English when he said this?

How do you say 'unprecedented' in Thai?

yut maak?

unprecedented in thai would be a redneck (er,shirt) actually holding a job and not sitting around drinking whiskey while his wife and preteen kids go out and cut sugar and harvest rice.

[LingLek]

Was he speaking English when he said this?

How do you say 'unprecedented' in Thai?

yut maak?

unprecedented in thai would be a redneck (er,shirt) actually holding a job and not sitting around drinking whiskey while his wife and preteen kids go out and cut sugar and harvest rice.

Is this Hate Week?

[LingLek]

A lot of people on this forum seem not to like the Red Shirts or their cause very much. Much of the dislike boils down to questions of inconvenience. A chap feels he can't get somewhere as quickly as he normally would if there's a rally. Is that it? Is there anything else?

[bulmercke]

A lot of people on this forum seem not to like the Red Shirts or their cause very much. Much of the dislike boils down to questions of inconvenience. A chap feels he can't get somewhere as quickly as he normally would if there's a rally. Is that it? Is there anything else?

LingLek - no - not at all.

In fact - most of them like to consider themselves as advanced thinkers in all matters anti-Red. Or at least that's how they like to come over to us - the much more savvy and politically aware Reds.

Up the Reds!

[kdc1899]

Was he speaking English when he said this?

How do you say 'unprecedented' in Thai?

yut maak?

unprecedented in thai would be a redneck (er,shirt) actually holding a job and not sitting around drinking whiskey while his wife and preteen kids go out and cut sugar and harvest rice.

Is this Hate Week?

no sir

In general, a yellow shirt is a previous red shirt who worked hard enough to earn a yellow shirt. A HiSo Thai is a previous yellow shirt who worked hard enough to be a five percenter.

A redneck ( er, shirt ) is almost always someone (in every country) who, for some bizzare reason, is angry that he/she is "earning" 6,000 baht per month. He/she does not want to work very hard and/or save money to build a future for the future generations. He/she will actually take their kids out of school at age 15 and have them work at some useless job, that will never provide upward mobility, and usually that extra income will just go towards more gambling, lottery and whiskey.

No amount of protests or handouts will break this cycle.

Their duaghters are f-in awsome though.......

[Buchholz]

A lot of people on this forum seem not to like the Red Shirts or their cause very much. Much of the dislike boils down to questions of inconvenience. A chap feels he can't get somewhere as quickly as he normally would if there's a rally. Is that it? Is there anything else?

Repeated again for those that missed the reply that was provided 8 hours ago to the same absurdity...

It's great that opinionated farang have a place (TV) where they can rant about the "inconveniences" that are part of a textbook class struggle. The Reds can be denigrated for fighting for their fair of share, and making it difficult to shop.

is this an inconvenience?

Edited February 17, 2011 by Buchholz

[bulmercke]

Was he speaking English when he said this?

How do you say 'unprecedented' in Thai?

yut maak?

unprecedented in thai would be a redneck (er,shirt) actually holding a job and not sitting around drinking whiskey while his wife and preteen kids go out and cut sugar and harvest rice.

Is this Hate Week?

no sir

In general, a yellow shirt is a previous red shirt who worked hard enough to earn a yellow shirt. A HiSo Thai is a previous yellow shirt who worked hard enough to be a five percenter.

A redneck ( er, shirt ) is almost always someone (in every country) who, for some bizzare reason, is angry that he/she is "earning" 6,000 baht per month. He/she does not want to work very hard and/or save money to build a future for the future generations. He/she will actually take their kids out of school at age 15 and have them work at some useless job, that will never provide upward mobility, and usually that extra income will just go towards more gambling, lottery and whiskey.

No amount of protests or handouts will break this cycle.

Their duaghters are f-in awsome though.......

Lots of stupid assumptions in this post. Can't you realise that the majority of ordinary Thais are kept down from birth in this rotten system that benefits the ruling elites.

[LingLek]

A lot of people on this forum seem not to like the Red Shirts or their cause very much. Much of the dislike boils down to questions of inconvenience. A chap feels he can't get somewhere as quickly as he normally would if there's a rally. Is that it? Is there anything else?

Repeated again for those that missed the reply that was provided 8 hours ago to the same absurdity...

It's great that opinionated farang have a place (TV) where they can rant about the "inconveniences" that are part of a textbook class struggle. The Reds can be denigrated for fighting for their fair of share, and making it difficult to shop.

is this an inconvenience?

I don't understand this picture, or what your words mean. I think you ought to explain how this bears on the Red Shirts grievances.

[TAWP]

LingLek>> You don't know what the picture is showing or when it was taken?

[LingLek]

LingLek>> You don't know what the picture is showing or when it was taken?

That is not what I wondered. Pi Sek showed a picture of a wounded soldier and a photographer. I ask what this has to do with Red Shirt demands. Perhaps you can explain?