Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn To Reveal 'Solid Evidence' Of Abhisit's UK Citizenship

[truethailand]

Its not for us to decide the legality of the submission, greater honest men than us will do that. I quoted 4 sections, which according to the uncorroborated statements of Amsterdams witnesses, the case may procede. When the submission is made to the ICC the witnesses names will be known and not before, so dont mock the identity of because they are hidden by numbers, there is dark forces operating in Thailand and a few witnesses may take an unscheduled long term holiday in some bridge footings.

Yes there was violence, but we need to know the sequence of events that brought about this violence. If state media is your main source of information you will not get a full picture for obvious reasons. The leaders are in jail awaiting trial.... cant have a trial without being charged first. 9 months in jail and no charges and all legal due to some purposterous Internal security law. Please tell me why The ICC will not look at this case

The sequence of events isn't really relevant when you think about it. The was a video of when the shooting started on the night of April 10, and no one knew where it started. But the fact is, on that night, the red shirts had guns and grenades. The ICC will see that, and then look no further.

And it's been pointed out to you before. (Selective memory?) The leaders HAVE been charged. http://www.nationmul...o-30131623.html (plenty of other links out there if you bother to look).

You said: "...ICC will not look further." Where did you get that? And how come you know what they will do and how they will react? Are you such an expert or you just guess?

Or that is just your wish?

Let me tell you how does it works.

Do you really think they are in ICC shallow minded so that what they will see("...red shirt had guns and grenades") will impress them so to stop them in their investigation?

How naive!

ICC is a group of experts and they do NOT care Abhisit or any other in this mess! Notorious fact!

They will go in details, for sure and if they accept that case to investigate-i would not be in Abhisit's shoes!

Just if they accept the case.(I would like they accept.)

Next, about your"explanation" to truethailand member, about charged or not. Yes they are charged but his point was that they could not(should not) be endlessly just charged and thanks to that fact, to be endlessly out of trial. That is the point!

But i am afraid it is possible in Thailand, if Thailand don't have habeas corpus laws. As it was explained to me-

"The detainment of the people suspected of terrorism is periodically reviewed by the courts where they decide to continue the detainment of the suspects or to grant bail or release them."

IF, i said IF, you have judges under control of Government, if your country doesn't have habeas corpus law and if suspect is politic rival to you-you can hold them in jail forever.

If it were possible to get the Thai Government in open court, the red shirt leaders know, this whole plutocracy will collapse as Thai people get to hear the real truth. To my knowledge every subject can be discussed in the ICC, so no one would be spared the wrath of the prosecutor. The fallout of such an event would be of Tsunami proportions

If he is summoned he should fear not only the ICC but the men within. They will not want to go down with him

Edited February 19, 2011 by truethailand

[Robby nz]

you can hold them in jail forever.

Excellent idea sir, they certainly deserve after what they did to this country.

Dont worry about the PM's status, all will be revealed.

Jatuporn will no doubt have the video to show his supporters.

Assuming thats what he means by solid, or maybe he has it carved in stone.

He has produced them (videos) before, but then again he has failed dismally at times.

[agord]

'crimes against humanity'!

the man did everything possible to stop the loss of life and keep everything peaceful. its the red shirt leaders that are responsible for the blood.

Yeah right, they shot they're self just to get thier 15 minutes of fame. :cheesy: :jerk:

They are self? 15 minutes of fame had nothing to do with it but yes they did shoot at thier own people (men in black)

[metisdead]

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[truethailand]

you can hold them in jail forever.

Excellent idea sir, they certainly deserve after what they did to this country.

Dont worry about the PM's status, all will be revealed.

Jatuporn will no doubt have the video to show his supporters.

Assuming thats what he means by solid, or maybe he has it carved in stone.

He has produced them (videos) before, but then again he has failed dismally at times.

Let see what he turns up with today. Whatever it is...it is likely already been presented with the submission to the ICC. Another post will so few facts..only put downs

[truethailand]

'crimes against humanity'!

the man did everything possible to stop the loss of life and keep everything peaceful. its the red shirt leaders that are responsible for the blood.

Yeah right, they shot they're self just to get thier 15 minutes of fame. :cheesy: :jerk:

They are self? 15 minutes of fame had nothing to do with it but yes they did shoot at thier own people (men in black)

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

[stepenwolf1958]

[/quote

I thought he was a mix of Central American

and Eastern European Southeastern European

Pedantic change made of self-quoted reply above.

Happy now?

btw, it's Thaksin, not Taksin

btw part II, it's his Montenegrin passport, not Monetenegrian passport

Yes, i am happy now when i see you have no idea where is Monte Negro(Eastern Europe, you escaped geography classes?) but you are commenting in so "clever and wise" way about delicate matters like politic in Thailand. Joking a bit, of course. No hard feelings, ok? Don't bother yourself to catch me in typos or wrong English, i am not native speaker. Don't waste your time man. By the way, i can understand you dislike Taksin(no H) but can you hold yourself because that is what always block you or discredit your comments here as valid or valuable.

[Robby nz]

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

Didnt you see the pic of the journo (as you put it) injured by a red grenade posted on this forum today.

Your memory is short.

Far to short to remember all the things we, who were here, saw the reds do, if not in person then on TV every day.

[truethailand]

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

Didnt you see the pic of the journo (as you put it) injured by a red grenade posted on this forum today.

Your memory is short.

Far to short to remember all the things we, who were here, saw the reds do, if not in person then on TV every day.

Send me a link to the page with the photo...please

[agord]

In the US a President has to be born in the US regardless of your citizenship.

So for example if I and my pregnant wife were American and lived near the Canadian border and decided to take a day trip to Canada where my wife then went into labour and gave birth my child would be illegible to run for the presidency?

Better he stay in Canada than be "illegible" :lol:

[Steely Dan]

Well the pantomime season is truly upon us (as if it ever left) and we have a ridiculous fabricated thread of unsound conclusions and downright lies to try and get Abhisit to stand trial in the Hague, or perhaps just resign.

I think anyone not looking through red or yellow coloured spectacles can see this as nonsense and could only have any legs if powers that be behind the scenes wanted it so. It's about as likely as a prime minister having to step down for appearing on a cooking show.... Hang on.

[agord]

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

Didnt you see the pic of the journo (as you put it) injured by a red grenade posted on this forum today.

Your memory is short.

Far to short to remember all the things we, who were here, saw the reds do, if not in person then on TV every day.

Send me a link to the page with the photo...please

still blows my mind that there are red shirt supporters on this board. why do you need a link it wasn't that long ago, everyone saw these thugs in action. I don't have a teddy to pull any ears off of whatever that means?

[truethailand]

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

Didnt you see the pic of the journo (as you put it) injured by a red grenade posted on this forum today.

Your memory is short.

Far to short to remember all the things we, who were here, saw the reds do, if not in person then on TV every day.

Send me a link to the page with the photo...please

Another wild statement sir. You dont know where I was, and what tv I watch but be sure it wasnt only Thai Tv because the coverage was so one sided. I watched coverage from CNA, CNN, AL JAZEERA BBC, YOUTUBE, unblocked sites with front line images, read foreign reports online etc. Consider all the evidence before making a statement. Dead nurses, journalists, medics paints a picture I for one cannot ignore. You obviously can

[473geo]

By the way, i can understand you dislike Taksin(no H)

I don't dislike Taksin. I dislike Thaksin. The two different transliterated spellings refer to two different names with two different Thai spellings and two different Thai pronunciations.

I'd encourage you to use the proper one in reference to Thaksin Shinawatra.

.

And the relevance to the citizenship of Abhisit?..................or as mentioned previously do you just enjoy exploding your dislike of Thaksin in every thread, which continually detracts from your observations.

[truethailand]

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

Didnt you see the pic of the journo (as you put it) injured by a red grenade posted on this forum today.

Your memory is short.

Far to short to remember all the things we, who were here, saw the reds do, if not in person then on TV every day.

Send me a link to the page with the photo...please

still blows my mind that there are red shirt supporters on this board. why do you need a link it wasn't that long ago, everyone saw these thugs in action. I don't have a teddy to pull any ears off of whatever that means?

Ok you havent got a link, I always get asked, when I make statements, to provide the link. I am not a red shirt supporter, my parents instilled a conscience and an ability to consider all the facts before making a decision. I wish for a sweeping social change to redistribute some of the wealth into the lower end of the economy. If that aligns me with the reds..carry on. Thugs in action, maybe people fighting for a worthy cause. You like me may be fortunate enough not to live in poverty so we cannot for one minute understand what decades of suppression can do to a person, so cannot comment on their actions. Please think before you post again.

[truethailand]

By the way, i can understand you dislike Taksin(no H)

I don't dislike Taksin. I dislike Thaksin. The two different transliterated spellings refer to two different names with two different Thai spellings and two different Thai pronunciations.

I'd encourage you to use the proper one in reference to Thaksin Shinawatra.

.

And the relevance to the citizenship of Abhisit?..................or as mentioned previously do you just enjoy exploding your dislike of Thaksin in every thread, which continually detracts from your observations.

He'll take his bat and ball home if you pick on him

Edited February 19, 2011 by truethailand

[rixalex]

I wish for a sweeping social change to redistribute some of the wealth into the lower end of the economy. If that aligns me with the reds..carry on.

It most certainly does not.

Thugs in action, maybe people fighting for a worthy cause.

Comments like this do.

[Thaddeus]

Where did the native Thai people come from in the first instance

China

Nope, Thailand is an experiment created by space aliens, with a population of 60 or so million 'Trumans' and a smattering of specially selected alien overlords, it's the only rational reason I can think of for the place.

[Steely Dan]

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

Didnt you see the pic of the journo (as you put it) injured by a red grenade posted on this forum today.

Your memory is short.

Far to short to remember all the things we, who were here, saw the reds do, if not in person then on TV every day.

Send me a link to the page with the photo...please

Another wild statement sir. You dont know where I was, and what tv I watch but be sure it wasnt only Thai Tv because the coverage was so one sided. I watched coverage from CNA, CNN, AL JAZEERA BBC, YOUTUBE, unblocked sites with front line images, read foreign reports online etc. Consider all the evidence before making a statement. Dead nurses, journalists, medics paints a picture I for one cannot ignore. You obviously can

Anyone with a memory longer than that of a goldfish would balance that with the hospital occupation, Bangkok being set ablaze after redshirt leaders were filmed encouraging this act and finally when it was clear they had lost the rampaging redshirts turned on journalists as another convenient scapegoat. Nope, you may have fooled the international press for a few days but by the end they had seen for themselves what the reds were really about.

[truethailand]

I wish for a sweeping social change to redistribute some of the wealth into the lower end of the economy. If that aligns me with the reds..carry on.

It most certainly does not.

Thugs in action, maybe people fighting for a worthy cause.

Comments like this do.

Selective quoting of my post. Read with the whole post explains my comments. Go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Stop playing games

[Robby nz]

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

Didnt you see the pic of the journo (as you put it) injured by a red grenade posted on this forum today.

Your memory is short.

Far to short to remember all the things we, who were here, saw the reds do, if not in person then on TV every day.

Send me a link to the page with the photo...please

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=18&t=443772&qpid=4224742

If that does not come out correct try looking at post 47 page 2 of the thread currently running on '..............unprecidented numbers'

[rixalex]

I don't dislike Taksin. I dislike Thaksin. The two different transliterated spellings refer to two different names with two different Thai spellings and two different Thai pronunciations.

I'd encourage you to use the proper one in reference to Thaksin Shinawatra.

.

And the relevance to the citizenship of Abhisit?..................or as mentioned previously do you just enjoy exploding your dislike of Thaksin in every thread, which continually detracts from your observations.

How exactly do you manage to read pointing out the correct way to spell a persons name as exploding dislike?

[Buchholz]

By the way, i can understand you dislike Taksin(no H)

I don't dislike Taksin. I dislike Thaksin. The two different transliterated spellings refer to two different names with two different Thai spellings and two different Thai pronunciations.

I'd encourage you to use the proper one in reference to Thaksin Shinawatra.

.

And the relevance to the citizenship of Abhisit?..................or as mentioned previously do you just enjoy exploding your dislike of Thaksin in every thread, which continually detracts from your observations.

Why not comment on the dozens of other posts in this thread regarding unrelated discussion of past shootings and grenadings from 8 months ago and a host of other ongoing discussions directly above and below my post?

Or complain about the posts that I'm replying to that have the exact same topic?

At least my post is an honest effort to educate a member on an often-repeated mistake.

.

Edited February 19, 2011 by Buchholz

[stepenwolf1958]

'crimes against humanity'!

the man did everything possible to stop the loss of life and keep everything peaceful. its the red shirt leaders that are responsible for the blood.

Yeah right, they shot they're self just to get thier 15 minutes of fame. :cheesy: :jerk:

They are self? 15 minutes of fame had nothing to do with it but yes they did shoot at thier own people (men in black)

and shot medics, independant journos all unarmed... Do me a favour... go pull the ears off your teddy

Hang on a moment .... And NEVER to forget(any pro dems members here) those EIGHT civilians who were hidden in the TEMPLE, thinking there will be safe, probably thinking no one NORMAL and REAL Budhist would kill them there.

Eight INNOCENT civilians, or you pathetic prodems will give here some "proof" they were armed as well???

BTW, in debate in parliament, footage and forensic report were given just for 2 of them. No any word about any other of 6 more victims of some mad dog.

Or some one of you yellows/dems will say that reds killed those people to blame on Government???

[473geo]

By the way, i can understand you dislike Taksin(no H)

I don't dislike Taksin. I dislike Thaksin. The two different transliterated spellings refer to two different names with two different Thai spellings and two different Thai pronunciations.

I'd encourage you to use the proper one in reference to Thaksin Shinawatra.

.

And the relevance to the citizenship of Abhisit?..................or as mentioned previously do you just enjoy exploding your dislike of Thaksin in every thread, which continually detracts from your observations.

Why not comment on the dozens of other posts in this thread regarding unrelated discussion of past shootings and grenadings and a host of other ongoing discussions directly above and below my post?

At least my post is an honest effort to educate a member on an often-repeated mistake.

.

I already did.......you must have missed it..........

[Robby nz]

Or some one of you yellows/dems will say that reds killed those people to blame on Government???

And then again there would be those who would blame on Government without a shred of proof.

Back on topic:

Producing the PM's birth cert proves nothing except that he was born in the UK.

Me I was born there also but am a NZ citizen.

Edited February 19, 2011 by Robby nz

[rixalex]

Selective quoting of my post. Read with the whole post explains my comments. Go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Stop playing games

The selected comments of yours i responded to carry exactly the same meaning, whether read alone or as part of the whole post. Had taking them out corrupted their intended meaning, i wouldn't have done so.

[pete66]

Hang on a minute, if Abbhisit still holds UK Citizenship (or duel citizenship). Does that mean there's a Brit in charge of running Thailand?? Surely that can't be correct. Foreigners (which Brits are, like all the white skinned devils here) can't own land, but can run the country?? I thought you had to be a full on 100% Thai national with a degree just to be able to get registered as a politician in a political party to run in local elections.

Hang on does that mean the pm needs a work permit

ROFLMAO!!!

Not sure being a Thai politician would help you qualify for a work permit.

[473geo]

I don't dislike Taksin. I dislike Thaksin. The two different transliterated spellings refer to two different names with two different Thai spellings and two different Thai pronunciations.

I'd encourage you to use the proper one in reference to Thaksin Shinawatra.

.

And the relevance to the citizenship of Abhisit?..................or as mentioned previously do you just enjoy exploding your dislike of Thaksin in every thread, which continually detracts from your observations.

How exactly do you manage to read pointing out the correct way to spell a persons name as exploding dislike?

Got it in one.......you think 'exploding' dislike is a little overstating.........see how easy it is to create an impression with one word.......

[Slip]

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Hang on a moment .... And NEVER to forget(any pro dems members here) those EIGHT civilians who were hidden in the TEMPLE, thinking there will be safe, probably thinking no one NORMAL and REAL Budhist would kill them there.

Eight INNOCENT civilians, or you pathetic prodems will give here some "proof" they were armed as well???

BTW, in debate in parliament, footage and forensic report were given just for 2 of them. No any word about any other of 6 more victims of some mad dog.

Or some one of you yellows/dems will say that reds killed those people to blame on Government???

That third category of posters here is more than welcome. For sure. I am also trying to be neutral(doing as well, so far) That is why i pointed yellows and reds as first.

These two recent posts of yours seem rather at odds Stephenwolf.

(Fixed quote tags)

Edited February 19, 2011 by Slip