HIV Up Among Phuket Ladyboys

[Randee]

"Dr Sak Tanchaikul, chief of Phuket Provincial Public Health Office (PPHO), said he was deeply concerned about HIV infection rates among “men who have sex with men”, which his agency members refer to collectively as “MSM”."

and to think they are now allowing same sex marriage, gays in the military and elton john to adopt a baby - how shockingly foolish they are

[Randee]

If it were real, then more people would be dying from AIDS in Pattaya than from road accidents and that's just not so. Some would argue that to even question the equation 'HIV = AIDS' is dangerous - thus we must uphold the belief whether it is true or false.

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen written in a long time. Keep your jimmy unwrapped, keep on bangin', and you'll find out how real HIV is.

Could not agree more! banging anyone without a condom is pure lunacy and self denial. Its still shocking for me to hear supposedly intelligent guys recant a story where they bedded a working girl without a condom due to this reason and that reason...for me there is zero reason not use a condom. And to those guys smuggly thinking to themselves that they are married and do not need to use a condom...actually you are more at risk than the gun slinging playboy who bangs a working girl every night of the year and twice on sundays and who always wears a condom wether he is penetrating or not. Food for thought. Dont be so naive guys...if you are not going to abstain, use a rubber...ALWAYS. Anything else is just risk taking with your life and others lifes which is actually where the real criminality lies in the irresponsible use of not using protection. Bottom line...use a condom so you dont F*&k up the life of someone else regardless of their social standing.

oh really. so why haven't i got aids then?

its hard to get aids. aids comes when you start mixing blood. abnormal sex practices (gay and freaky sex) and doing hard drugs is where the problems are. do just normal healthy sex and live a healthy lifestyle and you'll be ok. dont put your life giving limb where its not supposed to go.

you cant get aids from normal body fluids and juices. it comes from blood.

[tonybuak]

normaly Find the reflective 2 metes Becon Hats that the Hiv ? aids cariers wear in Pukket wether they be hetro/gay or even the formentiond ladyboy quite hard to notice , We are all here together what is youre secret?

just stay away of those persons than... either you are straight or gay... why confuse people ?

[Jingthing]

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do just normal healthy sex and live a healthy lifestyle and you'll be ok. dont put your life giving limb where its not supposed to go.

you cant get aids from normal body fluids and juices. it comes from blood.

Not true. Most HIV transmission in both Africa and I think also Thailand is through unprotected penile/vaginal contact. It is true the rates are higher in MSM people, but they are a minority, so when you add it all up, it is still a primarily heterosexual, non-anal-sex, disease. Edited February 25, 2011 by Jingthing

[Cambodge1]

I regularly sleep with ladyboys and take all the necessary precautions. Sadly, many ladyboys will not insist on the use of a condom. I was talking to a ladyboy in Pattaya last week and the topic of conversation turned to HIV. I said that I'd seen statistics that 40% of Pattaya ladyboys are HIV+, she said it's probably 50%! Would be no different in Phuket.

[Jingthing]

I think many LBs in Thailand suffer from fatalism. The social expectations for them aren't very high in general, and sadly, too many of them internalize those negative messages. So many might be somewhat suicidal, that doesn't mean we have to join them in that.

Edited February 25, 2011 by Jingthing

[softgeorge]

I regularly sleep with ladyboys and take all the necessary precautions. Sadly, many ladyboys will not insist on the use of a condom. I was talking to a ladyboy in Pattaya last week and the topic of conversation turned to HIV. I said that I'd seen statistics that 40% of Pattaya ladyboys are HIV+, she said it's probably 50%! Would be no different in Phuket.

[geriatrickid]

Interesting piece of trivia about ladyboy sexual practices: The ladyboy is often the one doing the penetration when it is a pay for play encounter.

IN respect to the origins of HIV, the virus is a rapidly mutating virus, so it is logical that the strains we see today were not around 50 years ago. AIDS is a medical condition that is the end result of longterm HIV infection. There's a difference. HIV and AIDS are not the same thing.

There is no dispute that HIV shares many characteristics with SIV found in non human primates. SIV had been around for some time and the phylogeny of SIV shows the link to HIV. .In subhuman primates it mutated slowly. However, once it entered a new host, humans, it changed. Nothing new in that mechanism and is demonstrated in other crossover viral infections.

As humans encroached upon subhuman primate areas and began to eat them, aka use of bush meat, exposure to SIV increased. There is no mystery in that.

It was far more PC for some groups to go into denial mode and to offer up farfetched conspiracy theories than to admit that their primitive and barbaric cultural practices had a role to play in the transmission of the virus. Cannibalism is often associated with the spread of disease, and the consumption of primates by other primates is a form of cannibalism. Remember the spread of mad cow disease? Infected animals were being fed to other animals and that's how the disease spread. HIV is the result of human beings moving into other primates territories and in the consumption of those primates.

Interestingly enough, that none of the people claiming a conspiracy have yet to come up with an effective treatment or therapy for HIV. Only those people that have accepted the current views on the origin of the virus and of its structure have provided the treatments. If all the wackos and mentally ill folks claiming they know the origins and the structure actually knew something, they would have solved the riddle of the virus replication already.

[neverdie]

Its a simple thing of unprotected sex with participants who regularly have sex with other people that should be of MOST concern. Whether you are taking it or giving up the blurter is neither here nor there.

Surely you guys have seen those celebrity charts that show whos been with who & the tree of lovers that two people have been involved with. Now imagine if that same task was undertaken by a Pattaya player and experienced expat

If your wife or husband played away''''' only once he/she could get infected, and surely wouldn't dare to tell you, so you get it.... who do you trust when its your life at stake ???? In England I had a friend. who was very promiscuous, for years/unprotected, and never caught it.--I also knew of another that had a one night stand and got it. The thing is no rubber no sex.

reread what i said ginjag, that was exactly my point, wrap it and now worries, poke it in raw holes with no cover and look out.

[Deeral]

One has to question both the reporting and the research here.

Firstly the headline appears to be about ladyboys specifically.

so is tit true that this report was specifically aimed at "ladyboys" - WHY??? - i f so it is fair to assume that "non-ladyboys" and girls or gay men weren't tested or researched.

Therefore how can we compare these demographic groupings - and how how they decided in the first place?

Is there research that shows that there is no similar increase in other "groups" (however they may be decided)

lets face it teenagers are simply bubbling vessels of sexual hormones and regardless of sexual orientation are likely to engage in short term sexual relationships.

without EDUCATION for ALL young people HIV will rise.

To pi-point one group seems pointless and even dangerously misleading.

[robanywhere]

quote; "Having a field trip or educational tour at the year end may help solve the problem somewhat."

Excuse me!?!?!? A field trip to where and to do what?

Yes, it does sound a bit funny! I suppose she simply talks about education, something which is well known to have some effect.

Probably talking about a junket disguised as a field trip i.e. lets take all the committee & their families on a wonderful free vacation.

A field trip to one of the hospices treating AIDS/HIV patients should be a shocker and reality-check for most teenagers.... here's an example http://www.baangerda.org/

But sadly, most HIV-infected persons in Thai schools and society in general are ostracized and quickly disassociated by their friends and families and shuffled off, out of sight and out of mind.... This is one of the main reasons why Thailand has an uphill battle fighting HIV, because of the propensity to avoid unpleasantries...

Edited February 26, 2011 by robanywhere

[Deeral]

I'd also be interested t see the studies relating to AIDS infection by sex related to needle sharing which is the most prevalent cause in some areas.

The implication above appears to be that you are more likely to contract HIV by having sex with men.

Edited February 26, 2011 by Deeral

[geriatrickid]

oh really. so why haven't i got aids then?

its hard to get aids. aids comes when you start mixing blood. abnormal sex practices (gay and freaky sex) and doing hard drugs is where the problems are. do just normal healthy sex and live a healthy lifestyle and you'll be ok. dont put your life giving limb where its not supposed to go.you cant get aids from normal body fluids and juices. it comes from blood.

Wow. You need to read up on viruses. The risk of contracting HIV during sexual contact is directly related to the infected partner's state in respect to virus shedding. HIV can be present in a variety of body fluids and secretions. It is most concentrated in genital secretions, in blood/plasma, and to a lesser extent breast milk, Females typically shed the virus at different rates during a given 28 day period. I am glad you are able to verify the extent of virus shedding in females because it takes researchers a swab, a few reagents and an electron microscope to do a proper count.

Although the nature of the virus is such that it is easier for a male to infect a female than it is for a female to infect a male, transmission does occur in a manner that is consider clinically significant. Males that are uncircumcised and that have a concurrent STI such as herpes and other infections are at higher risk.

HIV is a little ball with spikes on the surface. These spikes stick to the target receptor human cell which in turn allows the virus particle to fuse with the human cell membrane. The contents of the HIV particle are released into the cell, leaving the ball behind. The human cells are typically classified CD4 receptor and are concentrated in mucosal epithelia such as the ectocervix, vagina, and foreskin. This mode of transmission is not contested as it has been proven.

I'd also be interested t see the studies relating to AIDS infection by sex related to needle sharing which is the most prevalent cause in some areas.

The implication above appears to be that you are more likely to contract HIV by having sex with men.

You raise a good point as it is women that carry the burden of HIV as they are more at risk of infection than heterosexual males. And yes your concerns about meedles are valid. I would never ever get a tatoo in Patong, only because of the greater likelihood of the equipment coming in contact with a hepatitis or HIV infected client. It is interesting to see foreigners complain about Thais on basic issues such as hand washing, yet have great faith in some Thais to effectively disinfect their equipment.

[Geekfreaklover]

look its no secret for goodness sakes. Take it in the rear unprotected = higher chance of HIV

Or give it in the rear unprotected.

[cup-O-coffee]

I can't imagine that men and men / men and women / women and men / animals and men / women and animals, etc. have not been the norm for billions of years.

"There's nothing new under the Sun"

And suddenly in 1984 we get HIV/AIDS?

After a gazillion years?

It all seems a bit odd to me that awareness and existence of these viral strains are in direct proportion to the increase in bio-hazardous testing by our illustrious governments.

You don't think that they might be tempted to release a little bit here and there to conduct a little testing? NaaaaaH! No way! The Chinese testing on people? The Germans testing on people? The Israelis testing on people? The Japanese testing on people? The British testing on people? The Iraqis testing on people? The USa testing on people? This just isn't possible. Nature and evolution are lying!!! People don't unleash laboratory viruses on other people. Nature has hidden HIV/AIDS for a gazillion years and she has suddenly decided to unleash her fury in 1984. No way it's a synthetic, laboratory contrived experiment in the name of eugenics. I would have to put on my tinfoil hat if I were to believe that man is a god and nature is lying.

Today's trump card is HIV / AIDS.

No one knows they have it. They have to take the word of a specialist who looks into a microscope and this honest, bribe-proof person will decide your fate.

No one knows they have it because the symptoms are a collection of every other virus or bacterial infection. Now isn't that just dam_n convenient?

The immune system fails.

The majority of people in the world with HIV/AIDS eat with the same hand they wipe their ass with, and drink from the same water source that they excrete in. Go figure!

There are less exceptions than anything to support the veracity of the HIV/AIDS claim

Now they had to come up with HIV - and HIV + because people got too alarmed!

Yup! Ya gotta have crowd control! These sheep will believe anything. Neverttheless, they do need to be culled, and it will be blamed on a vengeful Mother Gaia, or Mother Nature. Nyuk Nyuk.

Don't keep your head where the sun does not shine for too long. If you pull it out & look with unblinkered eyes you might actually learn something. Ebola was unknown until recently & there may be many other deadly diseases lurking just waiting for the right conditions in which to flourish. Also keep having unprotected sex with all & sundry, you might just end up being a mass murderer before you succumb.

This is both a cowardly and interesting response to be sure, Valentine.

Cowardly, because you feel some sort of fear from people like me who seemingly have no care for life and go about committing mass murders because we do not jump through hoops and salivate when the corporate-run governments or bribed law-makers, doctors and lawyers jingle the bell.

Interesting, because I see a trend in the last 30 odd years where it is a "for us" or "against us" attitude. The ramifications for me are being labeled as a virus to the world, who leaves a carbon footprint that is harming Mother Gaia; or a lesion to my fellow men because I behave the way life intended for me to behave, and my sexuality is a menace. Is there no end in sight until I am boxed up and put on a shelf somewhere?

This attitude seems to be coming from the top, which is, in my view, controlled by corporations and bankers. It is an attitude that "you accept what we tell you, or you will be singled out" as a conspiracy nut, a denier, a criminal, a terrorist, an enemy combatant and any sundry of negative words.

But what really frightens me about this attitude is that people who do not "succumb" to this corporate-run system are just now being labeled as criminals (your comment) and this is only just now becoming on the Internet, and even being demonstrated in some countries; simply because of the way they think, or their right to utter their beliefs, even though they demonstrate no characteristics of acting upon those thoughts or beliefs. Perhaps this is the agenda of raising a generation of sociopathic automatons, who believe anything their "agenda-oriented" institutions and television teach them, and then in turn, single out people like me. Thailand is guilty of this, with its nationalistic mentality that borders upon racism, supremacy and such.

Valentine, to be accused - by one such as you - of being a mass murderer for not wearing a government approved sheath of latex on my penis, is ludicrous and points to you being the brown-shirted fore-bearer of bad news to come for freedom seekers. Moreover, it is a scandal that you believe you have the right to stick your nose where it will get twisted off, regarding my inalienable right to enjoy my life in the manner that nature equipped me with. I do not care that the corporate-run government will stoop to any level to prove their point; even if it means GM DNA and viruses and other forms of danger to my body. Trying to make me the fall guy will only bring a lot of grief to those who pursue that direction on a personal level.

Do I believe that HIV/AIDS is an entity that exists and can do harm to the right host?

Yes!

Do I believe it came about through natural causes, and that man never tampered and helped it along?

No!

Do I believe that man would stoop to any level, and utilize any resource to gain absolute power, were that power placed within his grasp?

Yes! History shows us enough to remind us that mass takers of human life are among us today, and have been there throughout our past, and have resorted to the most heinous means imaginable. Only an utter fool would believe that just those documented events encapsulate the entire spectrum of the reality that is going on. It doesn't mean anything to me, really, but It is interesting to be accused as a mass murderer by a poster on this forum simply because I enjoy having sex without encasing my penis in vulcanized rubber, latex, or lambskin, etc. That would never be the case 30 odd years ago!

Does that justify me living in fear of my life and shackling my ankles with obligation and responsibility created out of others tampering with my natural right to breathe and behave in the manner that life equipped me with?

No!

And what is that right?

That right is to be able to have sex with the equipment that life gave me, and not have to encase my body in sheaths of rubber, latex, lambskin, or whatever else, if I choose not to, and my partner agrees.

Might I be a mass murderer?

No. That is a skewed belief that you subscribe to, because you are like a sheep, and I suspect you salivate and bark when the corporate-run governments or bribed law-makers, doctors and lawyers release their latest findings on the environment, diseases, human death statistics, etc. Just jingle that bell and it makes you happy.

Do I believe that the corporate-run acolytes are selling a bill of goods?

Yes!

Do I believe that these entities would stoop to any level to tamper with our way of life, in order to upset the balance; simply to prove their point?

Yes!

Do I believe that governments today will create a false enemy in order to transcend the sheep's fears and get them to come-s-runnin' to the corporate protectors and abandon all of their rights for that protection?

Absolutely.

Will I protect myself as best as possible, but not to the point of becoming a robot, or slave to the system, and jump through hoops and deny myself the right to live and breathe naturally in the manner that life has equipped me with?

Yes!

Will we all succumb some day?

Yes! Death is not an option. Only idiots like you forget that and single out people like me with spin doctored data.

Valentine, you can live you life and eventually "succumb", encased in an environmentally protective suit, with vulcanized rubber surrounding your bits, and an advanced ulcer in your abdomen. I, on the other hand, will go out the way I came in, and regarding what goes on here after I die, I could care less, because I really don't matter to the powers that be, and they will do what they do, and use people like you to cover it up and defend them.

Frankly, Valentine, you sound like a panicky coward, as do the rest of these people who published reams and reams of material on a substance that has been tampered with and loosed on an unsuspecting society of trusting people. 1959 or whatever the year may be for "documented cases"; it doesn't matter. Man has been murdering man forever over power struggles, the right of religious domination, and any amount of stupid reasoning. Only the living get to edit the history books and you'll never know because you weren't there.

The potential for man to manipulate murder on a genetic scale does not come as a shock to me. What surprises me is the stupidity of people like you who actually believe that the origin of rainbows begins from the sphincters of those in power; the ones who deliver this crap to the sheep.

You err in calling me a mass murderer simply for wanting to engage in sexual intercourse the natural way; the way I was designed to.

You err in defending the ones who legalize mass murder every day on a corporate scale, and then allege that I am a conspiracy nut simply because I am not equipped with the support of the paid-off governments or bribed law-makers, doctors and lawyers to support my simple and truthful view. These charlatans commit the mass murder, and then drag out the class action cases and torts until the prosecution has no money, goes bankrupt, or the victims "succumb" to corporate tampering and go to the next life in a miserable state.

Maybe that moistness I feel around my head is the crap that is being pushed on me, and the "group-think" that is being enforced by institutions for me to "succumb" before "succumbing".

The whole point of this is that it is interesting to discuss things we have no control over. But when things get nose to nose and on a personal level, I will make a stand and defend what I believe is right; even if it flies in the face of those things I have no control over, yet know to be against human nature.

Edited February 26, 2011 by cup-O-coffee

[Deeral]

look its no secret for goodness sakes. Take it in the rear unprotected = higher chance of HIV

Or give it in the rear unprotected.

Here we have a pair of "experts" or rather clots, they simply have no idea how the disease functions or is transmitted - if their "simple" premise was correct then it would follow that men and women who engage in anal sex are equally at risk so the ladyboy theory flies out of the window.

Edited February 26, 2011 by Deeral

[Geekfreaklover]

look its no secret for goodness sakes. Take it in the rear unprotected = higher chance of HIV

Or give it in the rear unprotected.

Here we have a pair of "experts" or rather clots, they simply have no idea how the disease functions or is transmitted - if their "simple" premise was correct then it would follow that men and women who engage in anal sex are equally at risk so the ladyboy theory flies out of the window.

I am indeed ignorant on the subject. I can't speak for Zorro, but having met him personally I can safely say he is far from a clot.

It's my understanding that the risks are greater if one were to recieve passive-dry-penetration in the anus from a man's penis. Not something I have ever nor have any desire to partake in. Each to his own.The virus I have always reasoned must transmit from a cut or abbrasion in the body tissue, or find its way through an open wound or infection such as genital herpes. Men are better than transmitting the virus than women are.

I would be very wary of a sexual parner who did not insist on myself wearing protection and it would be a deal-breaker if she didn't. I do use protection with a long term partner until a period of three months and w have both been tested for HIV.

Perhaps I have it all wrong?

Edited February 26, 2011 by Geekfreaklover

[geriatrickid]

Ever notice, that scarey situations bring out a segment of society that seek reassurance by promoting illogical conspiracy theories in an attempt to make a frightening scenario manageable? It brings to mind the period when illnesses were ascribed to bad humours. There is no point in attempting to offer an intelligent response to such people as they cannot accept a rational explanation as it erodes the security that is created by holding on to the nonsensical notions.

[Deeral]

look its no secret for goodness sakes. Take it in the rear unprotected = higher chance of HIV

Or give it in the rear unprotected.

Here we have a pair of "experts" or rather clots, they simply have no idea how the disease functions or is transmitted - if their "simple" premise was correct then it would follow that men and women who engage in anal sex are equally at risk so the ladyboy theory flies out of the window.

I am indeed ignorant on the subject. I can't speak for Zorro, but having met him personally I can safely say he is far from a clot.

It's my understanding that the risks are greater if one were to recieve passive-dry-penetration in the anus from a man's penis. Not something I have ever nor have any desire to partake in. Each to his own.The virus I have always reasoned must transmit from a cut or abbrasion in the body tissue, or find its way through an open wound or infection such as genital herpes. Men are better than transmitting the virus than women are.

I would be very wary of a sexual parner who did not insist on myself wearing protection and it would be a deal-breaker if she didn't. I do use protection with a long term partner until a period of three months and w have both been tested for HIV.

Perhaps I have it all wrong?

Practically yes - you show little understanding of the disease but like to apply a mechanics knowledge to it.

Rather than guessing or surmising or even implying or inferring, why don't you just read up on the disease BEFORE you expound any more theories.THe ignorance surrounding this subject by the posters is obviously VAST - - apparently even more so than amongst the poor and badly educated sex-worker communities in Thailand.

Let me also point out that this report appears to be fallacious - at least according to the reporting of it - but that is no guarantee.

It would also seem - on a slightly different tack that everyone is assuming that all ladyboys are sex workers - this of course is just more nonsense.

Edited February 26, 2011 by LivinginKata
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[cup-O-coffee]

Ever notice, that scarey situations bring out a segment of society that seek reassurance by promoting illogical conspiracy theories in an attempt to make a frightening scenario manageable? It brings to mind the period when illnesses were ascribed to bad humours. There is no point in attempting to offer an intelligent response to such people as they cannot accept a rational explanation as it erodes the security that is created by holding on to the nonsensical notions.

And did you ever notice, that scarey situations bring out a segment of society that seek reassurance by promoting illogical conspiracy theories in an attempt to make a frightening scenario manageable? It brings to mind the period when illnesses were ascribed to bad humours. There is no point in attempting to offer an intelligent response to such people as they cannot accept a rational explanation as it erodes the security that is created by holding on to the nonsensical notions.

[jimbeam1]

If it were real, then more people would be dying from AIDS in Pattaya than from road accidents and that's just not so. Some would argue that to even question the equation 'HIV = AIDS' is dangerous - thus we must uphold the belief whether it is true or false.

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen written in a long time. Keep your jimmy unwrapped, keep on bangin', and you'll find out how real HIV is.

Could not agree more! banging anyone without a condom is pure lunacy and self denial. Its still shocking for me to hear supposedly intelligent guys recant a story where they bedded a working girl without a condom due to this reason and that reason...for me there is zero reason not use a condom. And to those guys smuggly thinking to themselves that they are married and do not need to use a condom...actually you are more at risk than the gun slinging playboy who bangs a working girl every night of the year and twice on sundays and who always wears a condom wether he is penetrating or not. Food for thought. Dont be so naive guys...if you are not going to abstain, use a rubber...ALWAYS. Anything else is just risk taking with your life and others lifes which is actually where the real criminality lies in the irresponsible use of not using protection. Bottom line...use a condom so you dont F*&k up the life of someone else regardless of their social standing.

oh really. so why haven't i got aids then?

its hard to get aids. aids comes when you start mixing blood. abnormal sex practices (gay and freaky sex) and doing hard drugs is where the problems are. do just normal healthy sex and live a healthy lifestyle and you'll be ok. dont put your life giving limb where its not supposed to go.

you cant get aids from normal body fluids and juices. it comes from blood.

You need to do some research, very quick. I have not finished reading all of this topic yet. But when I have, if know one else has attempted to educate you, I will have a go. Or are you joking?

jb1

Edited February 26, 2011 by metisdead
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[jimbeam1]

I think that we all know that an erection is caused by flow of blood to the Penis. The Penis for that purpose has thousands of tiny blood vessels, many close to the surface. When you make love, the stiffness of the erection, making contact with the Virgina or Anus, causes many of those blood vessels to burst. Therefore secreting blood. That is where your partner, becomes lucky or not? The Virgina & the Anus also have many tiny blood vessels, that break during intercourse. Therefore the mixing of blood. You take the risk? It's your choice.

jb1

[Randee]

You need to do some research, very quick. I have not finished reading all of this topic yet. But when I have, if know one else has attempted to educate you, I will have a go. Or are you joking?

jb1

you've replied with an empty comment. all i see is blah blah blah without content.

nothing YOU can teach me..... especially if you write "no one" as "know one" obviously drunk

Edited February 26, 2011 by metisdead
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[mickyboy]

I refuse to believe that anyone who has unprotected anal sex is at a higher rate for HIV. Especially in Thailand.

That's just rubbish and poor reporting.

HIV is caused by bodely fluids tranfered from one person to another as in ie blood or sperm and will enter the body through a cut or say used needle or the anal passage which is like a sponge so no condom will pass into the anal passage and into the body but its strange how you dont get it with kissing as bodly fluids pass from mouth to mouth this is because it not carried in saliva most people who contact HIV are gay or prostitutes who use unprotected sex before that was drug addicts shareing needles such a horrrible way to die if you cant afford the treatment once contacted aids is so awfull

[neverdie]

Will we all succumb some day?

Yes! Death is not an option.

that can't possibly be right.

[Randee]

I think that we all know that an erection is caused by flow of blood to the Penis. The Penis for that purpose has thousands of tiny blood vessels, many close to the surface. When you make love, the stiffness of the erection, making contact with the Virgina or Anus, causes many of those blood vessels to burst. Therefore secreting blood. That is where your partner, becomes lucky or not? The Virgina & the Anus also have many tiny blood vessels, that break during intercourse. Therefore the mixing of blood. You take the risk? It's your choice.

jb1

when you do your anal sex thing, you are doing freaky unnatural acts. unnatural acts that will cause bodilly harm. physical damage. you are high risk to contracting and passing on aids. Russian Roulette. You take the risk its your choice.

Not me. that kind of behaviour isn't appealling for me. quite the opposite. i take care of my precious life giving organ and keep it well away from sewers.

and you talk of bursting blood vessels beneath the skin, which is a perfectly normal everyday occurance. all over the body.

but if the skin is broken and you pass aids infected blood to another person or they to you. that is a problem. that is when things go spiralling down.

Me? ... My blood is good, my skin is good and i don't practice unnatural sex or pierce my skin with possibly contaminated objects. that is why even though i am promiscuous, i remain healthy and strong.

Edited February 26, 2011 by metisdead
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[neverdie]

JB & Randee,

You boys arnt playing very nicely. One might even suggest that your antics are a little bit foolish

Be kind to each other, remember each of us here is entitled to our own opinions, no need to call each other names.

[Randee]

Will we all succumb some day?

Yes! Death is not an option.

that can't possibly be right.

no its not at all right. its bloody silly.

Death is not an option but WHEN death comes, we have some control over. ... obviously "man with man" sex will greatly reduce the control they have over when they may die. but he is choosing to shrug that off and make fun of it.

[Randee]

JB & Randee,

You boys arnt playing very nicely. One might even suggest that your antics are a little bit foolish

Be kind to each other, remember each of us here is entitled to our own opinions, no need to call each other names.

i agree. i just gave my point of view and he attacked me with an insult. i responded to him. (he started it)

[metisdead]

I've removed some insults, let's keep it civil please.