Visiting Rights To See Children Refused

[slippery when wet]

My wife is demanding £125.00 a week for my two young children in Thailand

I have refused to pay this extorsionate amount but she is trying to blackmail me saying if I dont pay this amount then she will refuse me any acess to my children.

Can I go through Thai courts to force her to allow me acess or better still can I go through the courts to force her to allow the children to return to the uk to live. Thanks

[happyrobert]

This should provoke some interesting posts.....

[gregb]

All I will say is based on your other posts, you have a mess.

You have overlapping jurisdiction between Thailand and the UK. There are no treaties that easily allow the rules of one country to be enforced in the other.

But I don't see any way you will ever be able to force those children to return to the UK. If she doesn't come back voluntarily, the best you can probably hope for is a divorce action through the courts in Thailand, not the ampur style but with an actual judge and lawyers in order to meet the UK laws for both parties to have independent counsel. In that action you will receive visitation rights to your children when you are in Thailand.

You will be required to pay around 3000 - 4000 baht per month per child for this, and explain to your wife that any money over and above that minimum that she wants will not forthcoming because you will need to use that in order to pay for your trips to come to Thailand and see the children. That in your opinion, the ability to see their father is more important to the children's well being than money.

This is the only leverage you have in the whole thing. Use it. You need to pony up now for a good international family lawyer and get this thing resolved. Stop asking for advice on Thai Visa. Your case is much too complicated to get any useful tips here.

[slippery when wet]

Thanks for your reply.

It really helps......cant do anything uniil I visit Thailand in may and see a solicitor-just geting some ideas at this stage.

Many thanks

[pjclark1]

Thanks for your reply.

It really helps......cant do anything uniil I visit Thailand in may and see a solicitor-just geting some ideas at this stage.

Many thanks

Tell her you will never give her any money.

But the children can come and live with you in the UK and she won't be required to give you 1 bht.

[Mario2008]

You talk about your wife, so you are the legal father of the children. Ony the mother can deny you access to the children, but if the children are with grandmother you can just take them away from grandmother and nobody can stop you. (legally that is). The police is probably not getting involved in famliy matters like this.

If the grandmother is taking care of the children and not the motehr herself, that would be in your favour. if you show that you can and will take care of the children yourself you could be awarded prime custody with visitation rights for the mother.

[venturalaw]

Do your children have dual citizenship and UK passports? If so, and they are with the grandmother, as long as you are married to the mother, and therefore you are legally the father as K'Mario said, you can take them from grandmother, straight to the airport, and on your way to the UK. Then file in the UK for the dissolution (the UK will recognize the Thai marriage as valid and therefore will allow you to terminate it. Seek sole physical custody and if wife wants to fight for visitation, she may - in the UK courts.

[gregb]

Do your children have dual citizenship and UK passports? If so, and they are with the grandmother, as long as you are married to the mother, and therefore you are legally the father as K'Mario said, you can take them from grandmother, straight to the airport, and on your way to the UK. Then file in the UK for the dissolution (the UK will recognize the Thai marriage as valid and therefore will allow you to terminate it. Seek sole physical custody and if wife wants to fight for visitation, she may - in the UK courts.

The problem with this scenario, is that if the wife does decide to fight in the UK (I assume the wife still has a valid visa for the UK), it may reflect badly on the OP if he has kidnapped the children from Thailand to bring them back to the UK. It won't be a crime, but the UK courts won't look kindly on this. It could turn out to be a disastrous move. A voluntary return would be much better for all parties.

If the OP decides to go this route, I would talk to a solicitor in the UK first and find out if it is possible to file parental kidnapping charges against the mother in the UK, and what the consequences of that might be if it can be done at all. Then, if he absconds with the kids back from Thailand in the middle of the night without the mother's approval, he may look much cleaner in the eyes of the court. He'd simply be righting a wrong, as opposed to committing a wrong. But these kinds of charges and actions will certainly escalate the situation to a point where there is no turning back.

And do keep in mind the children in this case. The OP needs to honestly consider their best interests when deciding what he is going to do.

Again, this requires serious legal advice from a competent professional who is fully informed on every specific of the OP's case. Thai Visa is not the right place for him to be obtaining information regarding this.

[venturalaw]

Do your children have dual citizenship and UK passports? If so, and they are with the grandmother, as long as you are married to the mother, and therefore you are legally the father as K'Mario said, you can take them from grandmother, straight to the airport, and on your way to the UK. Then file in the UK for the dissolution (the UK will recognize the Thai marriage as valid and therefore will allow you to terminate it. Seek sole physical custody and if wife wants to fight for visitation, she may - in the UK courts.

The problem with this scenario, is that if the wife does decide to fight in the UK (I assume the wife still has a valid visa for the UK), it may reflect badly on the OP if he has kidnapped the children from Thailand to bring them back to the UK. It won't be a crime, but the UK courts won't look kindly on this. It could turn out to be a disastrous move. A voluntary return would be much better for all parties.

If the OP decides to go this route, I would talk to a solicitor in the UK first and find out if it is possible to file parental kidnapping charges against the mother in the UK, and what the consequences of that might be if it can be done at all. Then, if he absconds with the kids back from Thailand in the middle of the night without the mother's approval, he may look much cleaner in the eyes of the court. He'd simply be righting a wrong, as opposed to committing a wrong. But these kinds of charges and actions will certainly escalate the situation to a point where there is no turning back.

And do keep in mind the children in this case. The OP needs to honestly consider their best interests when deciding what he is going to do.

Again, this requires serious legal advice from a competent professional who is fully informed on every specific of the OP's case. Thai Visa is not the right place for him to be obtaining information regarding this.

From what I read, the children are not in mother's custody and control, therefore no kidnapping. I agree that counsel in the UK is advisable prior to taking the children to the UK. Ideally, a case will have already been filed in the UK. This also presupposes that no case is pending in Thailand and there have been no orders issued by a Thai court.

[lost_in_space]

This should provoke some interesting posts.....

This has provoked some thoughtful posts.

[MikeyIdea]

greg, we normally agree on most things, I must disagree with when you say that "Stop asking for advice on Thai Visa. Your case is much too complicated to get any useful tips here"

We have a thread which has provided good solid advice, the OP knows much more than he did before he posted

No, you can not in a Thai court get a court order that the children should be returned to the UK. Yes, you can indeed go through a Thai juvenile court to force the mother to get you access to your children. Mario 2008 is correct in that - in the case not mother taking care of the child, you could be awarded prime custody with visitation rights for the mother

Considering VenturaLaws advice - The mothers visitation rights are almost holy in Thailand. Bringing the children to England will prompt a Thai Juvenile court to act to protect that. What will happen? The mother will take things to a Thai Juvenile court and they will grant the mother sole custody for sure. That gives the mother an advantage in an English court - > case in England should already be filed. Still very dangerous move indeed

You can start the case before you come to Thailand, basically instruct a lawyer to file and come yourself a day before the first fact finding session

Slippery - my apologies for my comment in the other thread, hadn't read this thread yet when I wrote that

Good Luck slippery

Michael

[venturalaw]

greg, we normally agree on most things, I must disagree with when you say that "Stop asking for advice on Thai Visa. Your case is much too complicated to get any useful tips here"

We have a thread which has provided good solid advice, the OP knows much more than he did before he posted

No, you can not in a Thai court get a court order that the children should be returned to the UK. Yes, you can indeed go through a Thai juvenile court to force the mother to get you access to your children. Mario 2008 is correct in that - in the case not mother taking care of the child, you could be awarded prime custody with visitation rights for the mother

Considering VenturaLaws advice - The mothers visitation rights are almost holy in Thailand. Bringing the children to England will prompt a Thai Juvenile court to act to protect that. What will happen? The mother will take things to a Thai Juvenile court and they will grant the mother sole custody for sure. That gives the mother an advantage in an English court - > case in England should already be filed. Still very dangerous move indeed

You can start the case before you come to Thailand, basically instruct a lawyer to file and come yourself a day before the first fact finding session

Slippery - my apologies for my comment in the other thread, hadn't read this thread yet when I wrote that

Good Luck slippery

Michael

I refer you to the following thread:

The father, with the assistance of an Udon Thani lawyer to whom I referred him, and the aid of the Udon Thani Police, removed his son from the maternal grandmother's residence, took his son to the airport, and flew to California. According to the last e-mail I received from the father who is still in California, there has been no interference from the Thai courts.

Edited March 21, 2011 by venturalaw

[MikeyIdea]

greg, we normally agree on most things, I must disagree with when you say that "Stop asking for advice on Thai Visa. Your case is much too complicated to get any useful tips here"

We have a thread which has provided good solid advice, the OP knows much more than he did before he posted

No, you can not in a Thai court get a court order that the children should be returned to the UK. Yes, you can indeed go through a Thai juvenile court to force the mother to get you access to your children. Mario 2008 is correct in that - in the case not mother taking care of the child, you could be awarded prime custody with visitation rights for the mother

Considering VenturaLaws advice - The mothers visitation rights are almost holy in Thailand. Bringing the children to England will prompt a Thai Juvenile court to act to protect that. What will happen? The mother will take things to a Thai Juvenile court and they will grant the mother sole custody for sure. That gives the mother an advantage in an English court - > case in England should already be filed. Still very dangerous move indeed

You can start the case before you come to Thailand, basically instruct a lawyer to file and come yourself a day before the first fact finding session

Slippery - my apologies for my comment in the other thread, hadn't read this thread yet when I wrote that

Good Luck slippery

Michael

I refer you to the following thread: http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__2541343

The father, with the assistance of an Udon Thani lawyer to whom I referred him, and the aid of the Udon Thani Police, removed his son from the maternal grandmother's residence, took his son to the airport, and flew to California. According to the last e-mail I received from the father who is still in California, there has been no interference from the Thai courts.

Interesting and good story and a good sample of that it can be done and that the police are happy to help when they feel the cause is right, but the circumstances in this case are not the same really

The child in that case was removed from his grand mothers brothel, and the mother suffered from bipolar disorder. That's enough for a juvenile court to give the father sole custody any day.

Did the father formally get sole custody in a Thai juvenile court and did the mother contest? Did the mother ever formally contest what the father did in a court of law?

Edited March 22, 2011 by MikeyIdea

[venturalaw]

greg, we normally agree on most things, I must disagree with when you say that "Stop asking for advice on Thai Visa. Your case is much too complicated to get any useful tips here"

We have a thread which has provided good solid advice, the OP knows much more than he did before he posted

No, you can not in a Thai court get a court order that the children should be returned to the UK. Yes, you can indeed go through a Thai juvenile court to force the mother to get you access to your children. Mario 2008 is correct in that - in the case not mother taking care of the child, you could be awarded prime custody with visitation rights for the mother

Considering VenturaLaws advice - The mothers visitation rights are almost holy in Thailand. Bringing the children to England will prompt a Thai Juvenile court to act to protect that. What will happen? The mother will take things to a Thai Juvenile court and they will grant the mother sole custody for sure. That gives the mother an advantage in an English court - > case in England should already be filed. Still very dangerous move indeed

You can start the case before you come to Thailand, basically instruct a lawyer to file and come yourself a day before the first fact finding session

Slippery - my apologies for my comment in the other thread, hadn't read this thread yet when I wrote that

Good Luck slippery

Michael

I refer you to the following thread: http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__2541343

The father, with the assistance of an Udon Thani lawyer to whom I referred him, and the aid of the Udon Thani Police, removed his son from the maternal grandmother's residence, took his son to the airport, and flew to California. According to the last e-mail I received from the father who is still in California, there has been no interference from the Thai courts.

Interesting and good story and a good sample of that it can be done and that the police are happy to help when they feel the cause is right, but the circumstances in this case are not the same really

The child in that case was removed from his grand mothers brothel, and the mother suffered from bipolar disorder. That's enough for a juvenile court to give the father sole custody any day.

Did the father formally get sole custody in a Thai juvenile court and did the mother contest? Did the mother ever formally contest what the father did in a court of law?

Yes, the circumstances were different. Father avoided the Thai court system. I agree that he should have been successful had he sought relief from the Thai courts, but on too many occasions I have, as have we all, seen what should happen not happen in the Thai legal system. After arriving in California, he acquired sole legal and physical custody. I have no idea what mother has or has not attempted through the Thai courts.

Edited March 22, 2011 by venturalaw

[MikeyIdea]

It is always difficult when a situation like this happen but I do not agree with what the father did in that case

The child was taken from his grandmothers brothel... The father could have gotten sole custody the legal way instead of doing a runner with the child. As it is now, the mother can sue to get sole custody if she doesn't already have it, omitting the brothel details of course and then sue for kidnapping and unless the same officials who were involved when the father contacted them get involved, no one knows and there will eventually be a warrant for arrest of the father issued, no-show in court of course and he will be sentenced to jail

The father would be picked up at the airport the next time he comes to Thailand

What has been achieved? The father has a half Thai child but he does not dare to go to Thailand on holiday even, the child has a right to explore his Thai half but his father cannot allow him to go, the father wants his child to meet his mother and he has promised the mother that she can see her child but he doesn't know how to arrange it and he is in the thread talking about maybe moving to South America

Not what I would do until all other options were exhausted. If all other options were exhausted, then I would do it

I agree that he should have been successful had he sought relief from the Thai courts, but on too many occasions I have, as have we all, seen what should happen not happen in the Thai legal system

Civil and criminal court, yes, I don't quite agree when it comes to Thai juvenile courts though. They are really taking decisions in the best interest of the child. There is no doubt that they would have acted in favour of the father. Would the father have gotten everything he wanted? (i.e., also permission to take the child out of the country). I don't know, maybe not

Interesting thread, hope we are able to help here

Edited March 22, 2011 by MikeyIdea

[venturalaw]

It is always difficult when a situation like this happen but I do not agree with what the father did in that case

The father could have gotten sole custody the legal way instead of doing a runner with the child. As it is now, the mother can sue to get sole custody if she doesn't already have it, omitting the brothel details of course and then sue for kidnapping and unless the same officials who were involved when the father contacted them get involved, no one knows and there will eventually be a warrant for arrest of the father issued, no-show in court of course and he will be sentenced to jail

The father would be picked up at the airport the next time he comes to Thailand

Father did acquire legal and physical custody - not in Thailand, but in the U.S. The minor is a U.S. citizen, as well as being Thai. So, what would the Thai court do if it is shown that father has legal and physical custody per order of a State court? Ignore it? Competing jurisdictions with the original order being issued by a U.S. State court. If the situation was reversed, the State court would honor the Thai court ruling as it was the initial ruling.

Edited March 22, 2011 by venturalaw

[Mario2008]

A Thai court normally doesn't recognize a foreign court rulling. They would probably ignore it as Thailand is not party to the treaty on child abduction, which would require to respect a decision of a foreign court and send the child back home.

[MikeyIdea]

First of all in this imaginary case: The father has been found guilty of kidnapping by a Thai criminal court. The mother will have no problems at all achieving that if she has sole custody so it is not an unlikely scenario at all. The father will be arrested at the airport - there is no doubt about that. Competing jurisdisctions as you say but the best the father can hope for is that he doesn't have to stay behind bars for that long

I am still sure that a Thai juvenile court would ignore that the father got sole custody awarded abroad. In fact, I actually discussed this with an old friend of mine who is a Thai layer specialising in Thai family law (quite) a while back. As the lawyer pointed out. Thailand hasn't signed any treaties that are applicable. Next important thing to clear: Did the mother have the possibility to defend herself in the foreign court? No? The answer was crystal clear: Then they won't give a shit Very quick answer without any hesitation whatsoever - and I totally agree. Is it in the best interest of the Thai child to consider a foreign court ruling in which the mother wasn't even given a chance to defend herself? No

The court would move quickly, make a thorough investigation and then try to seek a negotiated solution as always. This is what the lawyer said, not my words. The case we discussed did not in any way include extremities as the child being taken from his grandmothers brothel of course

I really like that Thai Juvenile courts always try to find negotiated solutions - negotiated solutions are clearly in the best interest of the child and parents are much more likely to honour them too

[venturalaw]

Actually, without proof of notice, and therefore opportunity being provided to mother, the State court would not entertain any motion of behalf of father.

I've had no experience with the Thai juvenile court system. My experience with the civil and criminal courts in Thailand have proven that the golden rule applies - he who has the gold, rules. Perhaps the juvenile court system in this country is different.

Edited March 22, 2011 by venturalaw

[MikeyIdea]

Actually, without proof of notice, and therefore opportunity being provided to mother, the State court would not entertain any motion of behalf of father.

I've had no experience with the Thai juvenile court system. My experience with the civil and criminal courts in Thailand have proven that the golden rule applies - he who has the gold, rules. Perhaps the juvenile court system in this country is different.

Proof of notice - Doesn't mean anything in a Thai Juvenile court. The mother can argue that she has no reason to go to a foreign country to defend that she has the right to custody of her kidnapped child as that right already is granted by a Thai court

Besides - implementation of Thai law is often a bit too practical for westerners taste. The mother doesn't have the money to go anyway and that kills the value of the proof of notice totally

Thai Juvenile court would basically see a new case, a situation that needs to be re-considered using up-to-date information. The past matters but the present and the future matters even more when taking a long term decision in the best interest of the child.

I like that way of thinking, the way the Thai Juvenile court system works in Thailand has grown on me

Edited March 22, 2011 by MikeyIdea

[venturalaw]

Actually, without proof of notice, and therefore opportunity being provided to mother, the State court would not entertain any motion of behalf of father.

I've had no experience with the Thai juvenile court system. My experience with the civil and criminal courts in Thailand have proven that the golden rule applies - he who has the gold, rules. Perhaps the juvenile court system in this country is different.

Proof of notice - Doesn't mean anything in a Thai Juvenile court. The mother can argue that she has no reason to go to a foreign country to defend that she has the right to custody of her kidnapped child as that right already is granted by a Thai court

Besides - implementation of Thai law is often a bit too practical for westerners taste. The mother doesn't have the money to go anyway and that kills the value of the proof of notice totally

My informing you of the notice requirement was not to argue that the Thai courts would give said notice any weight, but was in response to the following educated statements:

Next important thing to clear: Did the mother have the possibility to defend herself in the foreign court? No? The answer was crystal clear: Then they won't give a shit Very quick answer without any hesitation whatsoever - and I totally agree.

There is no doubt that mother would make many arguments in her quest to remove the minor from a western country and father's care, custody and control. After all, it was her judgment that her minor child was better off residing with grandmother in a brothel. So much for being "practical".

Regarding your statement:

I like that way of thinking, the way the Thai Juvenile court system works in Thailand has grown on me

It's quite evident.

Edited March 22, 2011 by venturalaw

[MikeyIdea]

Mario2008 states "A Thai court normally doesn't recognize a foreign court rulling" - Very correct, recognize No, consider is perhaps a strong word, read yes

I argue that the father should have gone through the courts when advantage was on his side, it is likely that he would have gotten sole custody with visitation rights for the mother in that case. The child was rescued from a brothel for Christ's sake, it doesn't get any clearer than that. What he will get if the case is taken up now is a new ball game and most of his advantage is gone. My personal opinion: He blew his chances of getting sole custody

We're a bit off-topic but good opportunity to pull it back on track again. I recommend the father to go through the courts now, waiting will only make his case weaker. The father can force that the children must be handed over to him if they don't stay with the mother but he doesn't live in Thailand and won't be able to utilise it. A solution where mother takes care of the children when father is abroad and father when he is in Thailand is likely. If mother in reality doesn't take care of the children herself when father is abroad, then father has the advantage and a new visit to the courts will improve his situation. Not perfect but we must still remember that the children wants to have both a mother and a father so they are the one suffering the most, no way around that

I am impressed that a foreigner gets a more fair treatment here in Thailand than what a foreigner would have gotten in most European countries, the same apply to fathers vs. mothers, there are many countries in the western world where fathers still are disadvantaged - not in Thailand.

I am impressed - quite evident yes

[venturalaw]

The OP stated: "My wife is demanding £125.00 a week for my two young children in Thailand

I have refused to pay this extorsionate amount but she is trying to blackmail me saying if I dont pay this amount then she will refuse me any acess to my children."

It is always preferable, particularly for the minor children, that the parents are civilized when it comes to forming a custody/visitation plan. Unfortunately, most often in separation/divorce situations, people become nothing better than the lowest form of creature. I've experienced it personally, and professionally for more than 20 years. It's well known in legal circles that the difference between practicing family (divorce) law and criminal law is that criminal clients are the worst people behaving their best.

As has been stated repeatedly, what is paramount is the best interests of the children. It is axiomatic that the parent that withholds visitation for ransom is the parent that should be precluded from the parenting process.

I therefore strongly recommend that the OP seek qualified counsel, sparing no expense. It's unfortunate that money appears to be more important to the mother in this case rather than what's best for the children, but way to often that is the case.

Edited March 23, 2011 by venturalaw

[britinthai]

Actually, without proof of notice, and therefore opportunity being provided to mother, the State court would not entertain any motion of behalf of father.

I've had no experience with the Thai juvenile court system. My experience with the civil and criminal courts in Thailand have proven that the golden rule applies - he who has the gold, rules. Perhaps the juvenile court system in this country is different.

Proof of notice - Doesn't mean anything in a Thai Juvenile court. The mother can argue that she has no reason to go to a foreign country to defend that she has the right to custody of her kidnapped child as that right already is granted by a Thai court

Besides - implementation of Thai law is often a bit too practical for westerners taste. The mother doesn't have the money to go anyway and that kills the value of the proof of notice totally

Thai Juvenile court would basically see a new case, a situation that needs to be re-considered using up-to-date information. The past matters but the present and the future matters even more when taking a long term decision in the best interest of the child.

I like that way of thinking, the way the Thai Juvenile court system works in Thailand has grown on me

Although this is some time ago. I feel the need to clear some uncertainty with the Thai Juvenile law and the juvenile courts. I have been going through a very bitter custody case for over seven year, with my case now in the Supreme Court, which is where it has been for the past three years.

Basically my wife left me to be with her boyfriend (My friend) a Briton, leaving our 2.5 year old son with me, after some time she made contact to see our son, obviously thinking for them both I let her have him for the weekend, she never returned. After paying the police my son was found up country (Not her home village), she left him with her cousin; I went to the city where he was located and took him back. I then went to the courts in an effort to give my son a stable home, which would mean his mother, could come and see him anytime knowing she would have to bring him back. Well you know what thought did, the courts gave her custody and I never got to see my son for two years, in the end the courts had to let me see my son, but my visits were supervised by her; she was a bitch. My lawyer informed that there's no parental abduction law in Thailand - I therefore paid the right people and took my son back to England; what a big mistake, even though I said I would return as long as she would let me have unsupervised visits, she said no, with my so called friend paying for her to come to the UK, and going to the royal courts of justice in London, I had to let my son go, because she had the Thai court order; even though I put forward that she obtained the court order through racial and against the Thai law (No juvenile court can award any judgement without both parents being in the court). This is where I went wrong my lawyer never took me to the Thai welfare for the initial stepping stone into the court; this is why they gave her custody and that again my so called friend went to the court and basically branded me as an alcoholic pervert. I have submitted factual evidence but the court simply condone the lies that she, he and her sister stated under oath.

From the Juvenile court my case went to the appeal court, and after many visits and over two years they gave back 50% custody (This means nothing, in Thailand) and award me three weekends every month. Obviously my X defaulted whenever she wanted, and the courts changed my weekends, which is again against the Thai law (As stated above),which means having a wasted trip to Bangkok and then having to get a police report and submit the report to the courts, which yes you got, the courts took no action whatsoever. As stated above this case is now in the Supreme Court, and even though I had permission to see my son it was still at my X's choice. I therefore left Thailand and went to work in China returning four times per year. Having lobbied the Supreme Court they handed down judgement that the JV can order that my son can stay with me during my holidays, but to date and several trips to the JV this has not happened.

Therefore for those reading this NEVER trust and expect the court system be fair, and think they will see your way of thinking. If I had my time again, I would have never trusted the Thai courts, I would have returned back to the UK or another country, yes this means my son would not she his mother, but the reverse is happening through the right channels.

Edited April 10, 2011 by britinthai

[Mario2008]

Your experience is not shared by many other foreigners who went to the Thai courts.

As you yourself indicate, an important factor in your case might have been the competency of your lawyer regarding family law.

[britinthai]

Your experience is not shared by many other foreigners who went to the Thai courts.

As you yourself indicate, an important factor in your case might have been the competency of your lawyer regarding family law.

Indeed the incompetence of my lawyer has resulted in a very long, and my I add a very expensive custody case. Of course and as you state I read the courts are changing, mostly the Chonburi JV, whereas my case was in Bangkok. My son will soon turn 11; he cannot read and write English, let alone Thai, when I took him to the UK, the school put him on a special need programme; this was stopped when she came to the UK. Moreover during my employment in Thailand my company would have paid for his international schooling, as would they during my time here in China. The shameful matter and like everybody writes, it is the child that suffers.

The only good part I can state is that back in March 2010 the Supreme Court ordered the JV to interview my son; this they did in a cold room and to my surprise they stated that although my son stated he wanted to stay in Thailand, the JV stated they did not believe his answers to their questions, and ordered he was to be interviewed by a public physiologist, my X was totally against it. Even the JV judge call me to the bench and informed me that they cannot make any order outside the appeal court order, they said they will do whatever they can do to help. On a plus side, my son is turning to the age where he understands, and of course when I do get to see him we have a great time, and from his actions I know he wants to spend more time with me. I have not asked him to leave his mum, I simply buy him whatever he needs. As her boyfriend has gone back to his original Thai wife as she had his kid; hence my X is on her own, with little money.

I’m sure I not the only person that have gone through the Thai court system, which has hid behind court papers rather than consider the best interest of the child. That is why I put my case here, as a means to inform others that a incompetence from a lawyer, has resulted in a complete mess for my son. And expecting the courts to side with what is right, does not mean it will happen.