Saltwater Chlorinator For Small Pool

[ETatBKK]

hi there

I know this is not a new subject here :-)

I have a small 'overflow' cooling pool about 20,000 litre. I am looking for a good saltwater chlorinator - reliable, easy to manage . . .

any suggestion, tips and product recommendation ?

cheers . . .

[PoolDoctor]

There all about same, but the highest quality are likely Zodiac units. Davey, Emaux, etc., are the bargain models but also reliable for 2 or 3 years or so. All are quite easy to maintain & use.

[ETatBKK]

thanks for the info. I'm actually spotted on Zodiac TRi and AquaRite too.

but, my biggest hesitations are :

- these devices are designed for 100cbm up, what technical effect on a small 20cbm pool ?

- for such a small pool, what other non-chlorine solution are effective ?

just don't like chlorine and the way of handling :-)

There all about same, but the highest quality are likely Zodiac units. Davey, Emaux, etc., are the bargain models but also reliable for 2 or 3 years or so. All are quite easy to maintain & use.

[Naam]

just don't like chlorine

if you don't like chlorine you shouldn't go for a "saltwater pool" which is actually not a "saltwater pool" but a pool who's water is chlorinated with chlorine derived by electrolysis from salt (Sodium Chloride, chemical formula NaCl).

of course you might read a zillion fairy tales which tell a different story. don't believe them! :jap:

[ETatBKK]

thanks Naam . . . I understand the salt chlorinator still based on the chlorine chemical properties.

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

other than these, I could consider other alternatives that I could afford for this nice-to-have small pool :-)

just don't like chlorine

if you don't like chlorine you shouldn't go for a "saltwater pool" which is actually not a "saltwater pool" but a pool who's water is chlorinated with chlorine derived by electrolysis from salt (Sodium Chloride, chemical formula NaCl).

of course you might read a zillion fairy tales which tell a different story. don't believe them! :jap:

[Naam]

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

i don't think anybody likes that odour. but you only get it when the pool is not properly chlorinated. handling is a different animal and i have no solution for your aversion but i also fail to see your problem. the alternatives to chlorine are all much more expensive.

[katabeachbum]

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

i don't think anybody likes that odour. but you only get it when the pool is not properly chlorinated. handling is a different animal and i have no solution for your aversion but i also fail to see your problem. the alternatives to chlorine are all much more expensive.

owning both saltwater pool and pools with chlor added to water, I find the saltwater chlorinator much more comfy. Steady chlor level except for one monthly increase/mild shock, and the mix with saltwater reduces chlor feeling.

But I find chlor in water to be less expensive, and using tablets in skimmer level can be reasonably steady

[katabeachbum]

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

i don't think anybody likes that odour. but you only get it when the pool is not properly chlorinated. handling is a different animal and i have no solution for your aversion but i also fail to see your problem. the alternatives to chlorine are all much more expensive.

owning both saltwater pool and pools with chlor added to water, I find the saltwater chlorinator much more comfy. Steady chlor level except for one monthly increase/mild shock, and the mix with saltwater reduces chlor feeling.

But I find chlor in water to be less expensive, and using tablets in skimmer level can be reasonably steady

BTW, OP to find a 20m3 solution simply adjust timer for pump/chlorinator to circulate your 20m3 water twice a day. With 1 hp pump that should be approx 3 hours filtration a day

[ETatBKK]

I guess most of the problem of chlorine odour is came from improper dosing of chlorine. to get it right, it is something far more difficult than the test tube experiment in the high school laboratory !

the point is, what ever solutions available, they are 'oversized' for this tiny cooling pool. the one time cost of the equipment will be fixed, and the operation cost won't be scaled up with the size of the pool !

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

i don't think anybody likes that odour. but you only get it when the pool is not properly chlorinated. handling is a different animal and i have no solution for your aversion but i also fail to see your problem. the alternatives to chlorine are all much more expensive.

[Naam]

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

i don't think anybody likes that odour. but you only get it when the pool is not properly chlorinated. handling is a different animal and i have no solution for your aversion but i also fail to see your problem. the alternatives to chlorine are all much more expensive.

owning both saltwater pool and pools with chlor added to water, I find the saltwater chlorinator much more comfy. Steady chlor level except for one monthly increase/mild shock, and the mix with saltwater reduces chlor feeling.

But I find chlor in water to be less expensive, and using tablets in skimmer level can be reasonably steady

even a "saltwater pool" or any pool should be shocked 3-4 times a year with chlorine or equivalent chemical agents (e.g. H2O2 or O3) up to a concentration of 7ppm (measure based on Cl) to kill bacteria which are resistant and can survive 3ppm without being harmed.

shocking is not necessary if additional disinfecting measures (UV) are used continously.

[ETatBKK]

thanks . . . that is something I need to consider in this pre-purchase phase.

with this tiny cooling pool, so I could able to adjust a 100cbm+ equipment and tune the duration of flow ( basically reaction time ). would the flow rate of the equipment ( Gr/h ? ) too strong for a small pool ?

BTW, OP to find a 20m3 solution simply adjust timer for pump/chlorinator to circulate your 20m3 water twice a day. With 1 hp pump that should be approx 3 hours filtration a day

[katabeachbum]

thanks . . . that is something I need to consider in this pre-purchase phase.

with this tiny cooling pool, so I could able to adjust a 100cbm+ equipment and tune the duration of flow ( basically reaction time ). would the flow rate of the equipment ( Gr/h ? ) too strong for a small pool ?

BTW, OP to find a 20m3 solution simply adjust timer for pump/chlorinator to circulate your 20m3 water twice a day. With 1 hp pump that should be approx 3 hours filtration a day

100 m3 may be the chlorinators max capacity. making sufficient chlor for 20 m3 should extend chlorinators lifetime with 5 times, as it only runs a few hours a day. In addition most chlorinators have adjustment for amount of chlor made an hour

Install, start with 3 hours a day, check chlorine leve twice a week, and find correct running hours for pump/chlorinator. Just lik in an ordinary 40 m3 pool, but of course half the amount for 20 m3

Naam says 3-4 times a year, I say once a month in Phuket, increase chlor level to 7 ppm or more by running chlorinator/pump a full day or ad shock chlorine

adjust salt level at every shock treatment as required by chlorinator, 5 ppm for most. To much salt kills chlorinator, to little no chlor

Enjoy

[ETatBKK]

any idea on Silver and Copper ion purifier ?

is it a sanitary function or a purification process ?

is it available in Thailand ?

[fdimike]

I have been operating a large saltwater pool (approx 175,000L) here in Udon Thani for about 6 years now and have never "shocked" it. I have no problems with algae, odors etc. I operate the chlorinators for 4 hours twice a day. The advantage of a saltwater pool as I see it is that it's easier on your skin, eyes, nose and hair and you don't smell that nasty chlorine odor because the chlorine that is produced by the chlorinator is only present a short while before it begins to recombine with the sodium. Additionally, there is less maintenance as the only thing you need to do is adjust the Ph from time to time. I am using two 1.5hp Hurlcon pumps, 2 Hayward DE filters & 2 Poolrite Shurchlor 4000 chlorinators. The Poolrite chlorinators are totally automated and turn on and off based on the program settings. Poolrite has a small chlorinator (Model 15G) for pools up to 40,000L. You can easily adjust the amount of chlorine produced to suit your pool size by simply pressing a button.

I don't claim to be a pool expert. The above is just what I have experienced.

[ETatBKK]

thanks . . . certainly agree with you on the advantages !

try to get it done for years, then it is a debate of what brand and where to go ! from house, to pool, to systems, to tiny fittings already too many maintenance :-)

get an expensive Zodiac or a basic AquaRite ?

I don't claim to be a pool expert. The above is just what I have experienced.

[HerbalEd]

just don't like chlorine

if you don't like chlorine you shouldn't go for a "saltwater pool" which is actually not a "saltwater pool" but a pool who's water is chlorinated with chlorine derived by electrolysis from salt (Sodium Chloride, chemical formula NaCl).

of course you might read a zillion fairy tales which tell a different story. don't believe them! :jap:

I've had a 22-foot by 42-foot swimming pool equipped with a salt-water chlorinator for 16 years and I totally love the system. First of all, they don't produce "chlorine" .... but they do produce very small amounts of a chloride molecule. There is never any chlorine smell ... you can swim all day without any eye irritation what-so-ever ... and your hair will love it. Also, don't believe the myth that the salt water corrodes your pump, pipes, etc. .... it ain't true. An added bonus is I have to flush and clean by pool filter about 1/3 as often. Also, in spite of the initial investment, my system is way much cheaper to maintain. Here in USA the pool supply stores try and discourage people from installing these salt-water systems. Why? My guess is they don't want to loose the $300 to $500 per year you would otherwise spend in their store on chemicals. When I build my home in Thailand I will definitely install a salt-water system .... I prefer a system that is both more efficient and cheaper.

[HerbalEd]

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

i don't think anybody likes that odour. but you only get it when the pool is not properly chlorinated. handling is a different animal and i have no solution for your aversion but i also fail to see your problem. the alternatives to chlorine are all much more expensive.

Not true. I've had my salt-water system for 15-plus years and it is much, much cheaper. The initial up-front expense of $1500 was paid back in a bit less than three years from all the money I saved by not having to buy chlorine and the related chemicals. In all these years I've spent another $200 or so on replacing a few minor parts .... otherwise, the system has run flawlessly for literally 365 days per year for 15 years. Don't let anyone tell you these salt-water chlorinators don't work ... or are too much trouble and expense. My fifteen years of excellent, trouble-free experience says otherwise.

[HerbalEd]

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

i don't think anybody likes that odour. but you only get it when the pool is not properly chlorinated. handling is a different animal and i have no solution for your aversion but i also fail to see your problem. the alternatives to chlorine are all much more expensive.

owning both saltwater pool and pools with chlor added to water, I find the saltwater chlorinator much more comfy. Steady chlor level except for one monthly increase/mild shock, and the mix with saltwater reduces chlor feeling.

But I find chlor in water to be less expensive, and using tablets in skimmer level can be reasonably steady

even a "saltwater pool" or any pool should be shocked 3-4 times a year with chlorine or equivalent chemical agents (e.g. H2O2 or O3) up to a concentration of 7ppm (measure based on Cl) to kill bacteria which are resistant and can survive 3ppm without being harmed.

shocking is not necessary if additional disinfecting measures (UV) are used continously.

to my

Shock the pool 3-4 times per year???? In fifteen years of flawless service of my salt-water system, I have never added one nanogram of chlorine.

[Naam]

any idea on Silver and Copper ion purifier ?

is it a sanitary function or a purification process ?

is it available in Thailand ?

i used that system for several years in Florida. works perfect but quite expensive and not available in Thailand. not sure what you consider sanitary or purification. the combination of silver and copper kills bacteria. the method is age old and was used to keep a ship's drinking water supply free of bacteria by putting some copper and silver coins into the water barrels. but i was still advised to do my quarterly shocking of the pool.

[Naam]

Shock the pool 3-4 times per year???? In fifteen years of flawless service of my salt-water system, I have never added one nanogram of chlorine.

and the bacteria you might be breading must be flawless too and... grateful.

[ETatBKK]

yeah, get more internet research already - it is an agent for killing bacteria ! we still need a proper system for 'cleaning' the water, like algae . . .

not a bad idea, I could throw a silver coin and a copper coin into the pool, and see how things going :-) learnt that we need unoxidised silver and copper coins, that is not easy :-)

thanks for info !

any idea on Silver and Copper ion purifier ?

is it a sanitary function or a purification process ?

is it available in Thailand ?

i used that system for several years in Florida. works perfect but quite expensive and not available in Thailand. not sure what you consider sanitary or purification. the combination of silver and copper kills bacteria. the method is age old and was used to keep a ship's drinking water supply free of bacteria by putting some copper and silver coins into the water barrels. but i was still advised to do my quarterly shocking of the pool.

[Naam]

I really don't like the shock of chlorine odor in the pool. and, also I don't like the handling of chlorine.

i don't think anybody likes that odour. but you only get it when the pool is not properly chlorinated. handling is a different animal and i have no solution for your aversion but i also fail to see your problem. the alternatives to chlorine are all much more expensive.

Not true. I've had my salt-water system for 15-plus years and it is much, much cheaper. The initial up-front expense of $1500 was paid back in a bit less than three years from all the money I saved by not having to buy chlorine and the related chemicals. In all these years I've spent another $200 or so on replacing a few minor parts .... otherwise, the system has run flawlessly for literally 365 days per year for 15 years. Don't let anyone tell you these salt-water chlorinators don't work ... or are too much trouble and expense. My fifteen years of excellent, trouble-free experience says otherwise.

i was talking about alternatives to chlorine. your "saltwater pool" IS a chlorinated pool!

expensive alternatives are:

-silver/copper cartridges

-using H²O² instead of chlorine

-using disinfection by UV

-using ozone

or any combination of the above.

nobody has said or says that chlorinators which generate chlorine from salt do not work. they work but the pools are not "saltwater pools" but chlorinated pools. by the way, it would be advisable to inform yourself before you shoot again from the hip "not true!"

[Naam]

yeah, get more internet research already - it is an agent for killing bacteria ! we still need a proper system for 'cleaning' the water, like algae . . .

silver/copper systems prevent or kill algae!

[Naam]

I could throw a silver coin and a copper coin into the pool, and see how things going

there are simple ways to build a silver/copper system by "do-it-yourself" method. the principle is rather easy, i built one for my pool in Florida. that is... i used the professional casing which is installed in-line the pressure pipe and instead of the freaking expensive cartridge i used silver and copper sheets. a tiny amount of corrosive chlorine (0.1-0.25ppm) in the pool water prevents the oxydisation of the surfaces. the colloidal silver embedded in a carrier media which the cartridges contains can be replaced with an equivalent surface area of the silver sheet. whether this is today economical (silver price multiplied) is another question.

[ETatBKK]

learnt that silver and copper 'purifier' could also perform as a water softner, that balance the calcium content ?

I fed up with the hard water in Bangkok, all my water devices get problem - from stream iron to shower head :-(

yeah, get more internet research already - it is an agent for killing bacteria ! we still need a proper system for 'cleaning' the water, like algae . . .

silver/copper systems prevent or kill algae!

[ChrislakBeeGreen]

learnt that silver and copper 'purifier' could also perform as a water softner, that balance the calcium content ?

I fed up with the hard water in Bangkok, all my water devices get problem - from stream iron to shower head :-(

yeah, get more internet research already - it is an agent for killing bacteria ! we still need a proper system for 'cleaning' the water, like algae . . .

silver/copper systems prevent or kill algae!

Contact PuraPool they have offices in bangkok, hua hin, samui, phuket 100% chlorine free systems

How does it work?

The Purapool Chlorine Free System consists of a state-of-the-art electronic control box and a scientifically designed flow-cell chamber with copper and Oxymesh ® electrodes. A controlled low DC current is passed through the electrodes which allows metallic ions to be generated which sanitizes the water. Microscopic action takes place through an enzymatic process which destroys algae and bacteria. The dead particles are then effectively removed by the filter.

Edited April 2, 2011 by ChrislakBeeGreen

[Naam]

learnt that silver and copper 'purifier' could also perform as a water softner, that balance the calcium content ?

have no idea.

[ETatBKK]

thanks for the info ! this is a system based on metal ionisation and that kills bacteria. different from silver and copper combination, it is a copper ioniser and a titanium oxidiser.

did some homework and found very little tangible information about this 4 years old technology, the popularity and support base.

for the time being, I am not so adventurous on this yet :-)

learnt that silver and copper 'purifier' could also perform as a water softner, that balance the calcium content ?

I fed up with the hard water in Bangkok, all my water devices get problem - from stream iron to shower head :-(

yeah, get more internet research already - it is an agent for killing bacteria ! we still need a proper system for 'cleaning' the water, like algae . . .

silver/copper systems prevent or kill algae!

Contact PuraPool they have offices in bangkok, hua hin, samui, phuket 100% chlorine free systems

How does it work?

The Purapool Chlorine Free System consists of a state-of-the-art electronic control box and a scientifically designed flow-cell chamber with copper and Oxymesh ® electrodes. A controlled low DC current is passed through the electrodes which allows metallic ions to be generated which sanitizes the water. Microscopic action takes place through an enzymatic process which destroys algae and bacteria. The dead particles are then effectively removed by the filter.

[in2fridge]

Zodiac make purifier called a "nature" it is available in Thailand,can be checked out on zodiac.com.au...importers are pool spa.