Pheu Thai Picks A More Auspicious Date - Apr 23 - To Reveal Its Policies

[Arkady]

Chavalit now gets danger money for standing near heavy weight LM suspects. 555

[stepenwolf1958]

A political platform based upon numerology.

Wonderful.

Also, after Chalerm's departure... now comes Chavalit for reasons even he can't tolerate?

Someone who expects to be taken seriously here, especially someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased, moderate, fair should not dare to disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts and unambiguous hostility towards one side or even the absence of reality.

Next, in doing so, ones should have to show a little more knowledge about Thais, their cultural heritage and traditions.

If so, ones would have to know that the whole society of Thailand intertwined superstitions.

Therefore, if about superstition in choosing the date, it must be stressed that this practice is absolutely on both sides. It was, it is and ever will be in Thailand. It does not matter level of education.

(If you would be realistic Buchholz-you would understand this is truth)

[stepenwolf1958]

But you joined the forum two and half years after his departure as PM...

Irrelevant and pretty pointless reasoning. (We used to)

People do not register on the forum here just because of the need to engage in this (fairly sterile) discussion of political events in Thailand.

Obviously, labeling people is the dominant feature (hobby) here of some fancied, quasi stars of forum.

That would be the same as if I would asked how come that Buchholz with so many posts, is not admin or moderator but just a simple member with so much time of life spent hanging here(according to number of posts). Right?

[Buchholz]

But you joined the forum two and half years after his departure as PM...

Irrelevant and pretty pointless reasoning. (We used to)

People do not register on the forum here just because of the need to engage in this (fairly sterile) discussion of political events in Thailand.

You ignore that his dishonest timeline was made in an attempt to back-up an asertion and he was caught out with this sloppy slip-up.

What is pointless are your comments regarding how many posts someone has. There are dozens and dozens of posters with more posts than I and who are not admin/mods. Two totally different and unrelated aspects.

So, sorry, but you are wrong, it would not be "the same".

[whybother]

Someone who expects to be taken seriously here, especially someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased, moderate, fair should not dare to disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts and unambiguous hostility towards one side or even the absence of reality.

Next, in doing so, ones should have to show a little more knowledge about Thais, their cultural heritage and traditions.

If so, ones would have to know that the whole society of Thailand intertwined superstitions.

Therefore, if about superstition in choosing the date, it must be stressed that this practice is absolutely on both sides. It was, it is and ever will be in Thailand. It does not matter level of education.

(If you would be realistic Buchholz-you would understand this is truth)

With this statement - "someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased" - you can not be talking about Buchholz. He is clearly anti-Thaksin/anti-red shirt.

With this statement - "disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts" - sounds more like your own postings.

Edited April 11, 2011 by whybother

[bubba]

So this means that Pheu Thai actually have policies other than "Abhisit out, Thaksin in"? Amazing. Apart from that, I've yet to hear a single policy statement or platform from Pheu Thai regarding their vision for improving the country and the lives of ordinary citizens.

[Robby nz]

So this means that Pheu Thai actually have policies other than "Abhisit out, Thaksin in"? Amazing. Apart from that, I've yet to hear a single policy statement or platform from Pheu Thai regarding their vision for improving the country and the lives of ordinary citizens.

Well possibly not.

We see on another thread Thaksins policies of reforming corporate tax and giving amnasty to all politicions banned in the last 5 years.

Both would benefit him personally.

Just what he meant by 'amnasty' is another thing also, amnasty from holding political office or amnasty from prosocution from crimes commited in association with the bans.

If memory serves me correctly the big announcement date was to be on the 2nd May then the 5th May then the 24th April, now it seems it could be any day between the 23rd and 27th April.

Not really worth holding the breath for.

[Ricardo]

So this means that Pheu Thai actually have policies other than "Abhisit out, Thaksin in"? Amazing. Apart from that, I've yet to hear a single policy statement or platform from Pheu Thai regarding their vision for improving the country and the lives of ordinary citizens.

Well possibly not.

We see on another thread Thaksins policies of reforming corporate tax and giving amnasty to all politicions banned in the last 5 years.

Both would benefit him personally.

Just what he meant by 'amnasty' is another thing also, amnasty from holding political office or amnasty from prosocution from crimes commited in association with the bans.

If memory serves me correctly the big announcement date was to be on the 2nd May then the 5th May then the 24th April, now it seems it could be any day between the 23rd and 27th April.

Not really worth holding the breath for.

Also the promise to boost the minimum-wage by 50% and pay all graduates B15k per month, but only because it's fair, not because they're buying votes or anything !

Curiously they don't yet seem to have spelled-out how this will be funded, whose taxes will be raised by how much, or whether DL will pay for it out of his vast personal-wealth as usual ?

[animatic]

Who's guy?

I was one of Thaksin's biggest detractors on here while he was PM

But you joined the forum two and half years after his departure as PM...

Hhhhmmm a sticky technical issue.

Maybe it was in a previous life. Who were you then?

Interesting discussion. I think I'm about the only one currently active in the political topics of this forum who can make it very likely to still be in his initial incarnation here at ThaiVisa. Not that it really matters one single iota

You have a few years on me here, but I am in my original moniker. ....

[animatic]

Someone who expects to be taken seriously here, especially someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased, moderate, fair should not dare to disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts and unambiguous hostility towards one side or even the absence of reality.

Next, in doing so, ones should have to show a little more knowledge about Thais, their cultural heritage and traditions.

If so, ones would have to know that the whole society of Thailand intertwined superstitions.

Therefore, if about superstition in choosing the date, it must be stressed that this practice is absolutely on both sides. It was, it is and ever will be in Thailand. It does not matter level of education.

(If you would be realistic Buchholz-you would understand this is truth)

With this statement - "someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased" - you can not be talking about Buchholz. He is clearly anti-Thaksin/anti-red shirt.

With this statement - "disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts" - sounds more like your own postings.

You forgot this one.

...especially someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased...

Clearly this is not the case in the reciprocal case.

Edited April 12, 2011 by animatic

[stepenwolf1958]

But you joined the forum two and half years after his departure as PM...

Irrelevant and pretty pointless reasoning. (We used to)

People do not register on the forum here just because of the need to engage in this (fairly sterile) discussion of political events in Thailand.

You ignore that his dishonest timeline was made in an attempt to back-up an asertion and he was caught out with this sloppy slip-up.

What is pointless are your comments regarding how many posts someone has. There are dozens and dozens of posters with more posts than I and who are not admin/mods. Two totally different and unrelated aspects.

So, sorry, but you are wrong, it would not be "the same".

Dishonest time line? Mean what? Caught? Why so? And caught by who? So, after all, what is your point about Ober? What are you trying to say about him when you mentioned his date of registration and connected that with time of Coup?

When i said about the number of your post, i was following your manner about Ober, so i told you what MIGHT some one conclude about you. Generally, your manner is unfair and pointless. That was the point.

And BTW, your "observation" about date of his registering is OFF topic. Might expand arguing about really IRRELEVANT matters.

[animatic]

'Buchholz' timestamp='1302527032'

But you joined the forum two and half years after his departure as PM...

Irrelevant and pretty pointless reasoning. (We used to)

People do not register on the forum here just because of the need to engage in this (fairly sterile) discussion of political events in Thailand.

You ignore that his dishonest timeline was made in an attempt to back-up an asertion and he was caught out with this sloppy slip-up.

What is pointless are your comments regarding how many posts someone has. There are dozens and dozens of posters with more posts than I and who are not admin/mods. Two totally different and unrelated aspects.

So, sorry, but you are wrong, it would not be "the same".

Dishonest time line? Mean what? Caught? Why so? And caught by who? So, after all, what is your point about Ober? What are you trying to say about him when you mentioned his date of registration and connected that with time of Coup?

When i said about the number of your post, i was following your manner about Ober, so i told you what MIGHT some one conclude about you. Generally, your manner is unfair and pointless. That was the point.

And BTW, your "observation" about date of his registering is OFF topic. Might expand arguing about really IRRELEVANT matters.

You have cut out the context of what his point was.

And because of that faux pas, your argument holds no water. It is based on false assumptions on your part.

To recap.

Oberkomando stated he had been

'against Thaksin here on the forum when he was still PM',

but he wasn't in fact ON The FORUM when Thaksin was PM, at least not under his current user name. As his date of joining makes clear. So there is certainly accuracy in Buchholz critique.

So it comes down to whether Ober K misspoke in heated exchange or made a mistake about stating how long he has been here, and under how many user names.

It also is irrelevant why someone joined the forum.

To post in news or not. Utterly besides the point.

Edited April 12, 2011 by animatic

[stepenwolf1958]

Someone who expects to be taken seriously here, especially someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased, moderate, fair should not dare to disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts and unambiguous hostility towards one side or even the absence of reality.

Next, in doing so, ones should have to show a little more knowledge about Thais, their cultural heritage and traditions.

If so, ones would have to know that the whole society of Thailand intertwined superstitions.

Therefore, if about superstition in choosing the date, it must be stressed that this practice is absolutely on both sides. It was, it is and ever will be in Thailand. It does not matter level of education.

(If you would be realistic Buchholz-you would understand this is truth)

With this statement - "someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased" - you can not be talking about Buchholz. He is clearly anti-Thaksin/anti-red shirt.

With this statement - "disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts" - sounds more like your own postings.

Ok, i will accept that Buchholz might be anti T(h)aksin, he has right to be but other also have. In my opinion, we should be here more tolerant, if we want to be taken seriously about our saying. To don't allow ourselves be biased and blind for opinions of other posters. So, as first, to stay ON topic.

If you (we) comment on here from only your point of view, and denies to others the right to their views, if you are not ready to accept the possibility that perhaps your attitude is not correct, then all of it leads to the senseless quarrels. As mentioning the date of registering is. All will become way to personal and it is not good and making discussions on TV sterile, disgusting and waste of time.

This your last sentence to me is just proof of that.

Inappropriate to your previous comments that were created a picture of you that you are tolerant, civilized, well educated, democratic and moderate person in communicating to other here. Sad and makes me wonder now i might wrong about you.

However, I give you friendly advice, in the future if I have a duel with some one here and if it look like personal, do yourself a favour and stay out of it, will you? Just mind your own business man as i might take it as your personal attack on me. I am not for fighting here but i am good at, if needed. So, kindly ask you, let us be decent in talk.

[animatic]

So this means that Pheu Thai actually have policies other than "Abhisit out, Thaksin in"? Amazing. Apart from that, I've yet to hear a single policy statement or platform from Pheu Thai regarding their vision for improving the country and the lives of ordinary citizens.

Well possibly not.

We see on another thread Thaksins policies of reforming corporate tax and giving amnasty to all politicions banned in the last 5 years.

Both would benefit him personally.

Just what he meant by 'amnasty' is another thing also, amnasty from holding political office or amnasty from prosocution from crimes commited in association with the bans.

If memory serves me correctly the big announcement date was to be on the 2nd May then the 5th May then the 24th April, now it seems it could be any day between the 23rd and 27th April.

Not really worth holding the breath for.

Also the promise to boost the minimum-wage by 50% and pay all graduates B15k per month, but only because it's fair, not because they're buying votes or anything !

Curiously they don't yet seem to have spelled-out how this will be funded, whose taxes will be raised by how much, or whether DL will pay for it out of his vast personal-wealth as usual ?

"boost the minimum-wage by 50% and pay all graduates B15k per month... ... they don't yet seem to have spelled-out how this will be funded..."

Why do you ask this?

Of course companies employing people would pay.

The government would only pay for government employees being presently grossly under paid.

Edited April 12, 2011 by animatic

[stepenwolf1958]

'Buchholz' timestamp='1302527032'

But you joined the forum two and half years after his departure as PM...

Irrelevant and pretty pointless reasoning. (We used to)

People do not register on the forum here just because of the need to engage in this (fairly sterile) discussion of political events in Thailand.

You ignore that his dishonest timeline was made in an attempt to back-up an asertion and he was caught out with this sloppy slip-up.

What is pointless are your comments regarding how many posts someone has. There are dozens and dozens of posters with more posts than I and who are not admin/mods. Two totally different and unrelated aspects.

So, sorry, but you are wrong, it would not be "the same".

Dishonest time line? Mean what? Caught? Why so? And caught by who? So, after all, what is your point about Ober? What are you trying to say about him when you mentioned his date of registration and connected that with time of Coup?

When i said about the number of your post, i was following your manner about Ober, so i told you what MIGHT some one conclude about you. Generally, your manner is unfair and pointless. That was the point.

And BTW, your "observation" about date of his registering is OFF topic. Might expand arguing about really IRRELEVANT matters.

You have cut out the context of what his point was.

And because of that faux pas, your argument holds no water. It is based on false assumptions on your part.

To recap.

Oberkomando stated he had been

'against Thaksin here on the forum when he was still PM',

but he wasn't in fact ON The FORUM when Thaksin was PM, at least not under his current user name. As his date of joining makes clear. So there is certainly accuracy in Buchholz critique.

So it comes down to whether Ober K misspoke in heated exchange or made a mistake about stating how long he has been here, and under how many user names.

It also is irrelevant why someone joined the forum.

To post in news or not. Utterly besides the point.

Yes, thanks for clarifying mate. I understand what was the point but could be a mistake in saying, one reason or another. We should be more tolerant.

[stepenwolf1958]

'Buchholz' timestamp='1302527032'

But you joined the forum two and half years after his departure as PM...

Irrelevant and pretty pointless reasoning. (We used to)

People do not register on the forum here just because of the need to engage in this (fairly sterile) discussion of political events in Thailand.

You ignore that his dishonest timeline was made in an attempt to back-up an asertion and he was caught out with this sloppy slip-up.

What is pointless are your comments regarding how many posts someone has. There are dozens and dozens of posters with more posts than I and who are not admin/mods. Two totally different and unrelated aspects.

So, sorry, but you are wrong, it would not be "the same".

Dishonest time line? Mean what? Caught? Why so? And caught by who? So, after all, what is your point about Ober? What are you trying to say about him when you mentioned his date of registration and connected that with time of Coup?

When i said about the number of your post, i was following your manner about Ober, so i told you what MIGHT some one conclude about you. Generally, your manner is unfair and pointless. That was the point.

And BTW, your "observation" about date of his registering is OFF topic. Might expand arguing about really IRRELEVANT matters.

You have cut out the context of what his point was.

And because of that faux pas, your argument holds no water. It is based on false assumptions on your part.

To recap.

Oberkomando stated he had been

'against Thaksin here on the forum when he was still PM',

but he wasn't in fact ON The FORUM when Thaksin was PM, at least not under his current user name. As his date of joining makes clear. So there is certainly accuracy in Buchholz critique.

So it comes down to whether Ober K misspoke in heated exchange or made a mistake about stating how long he has been here, and under how many user names.

It also is irrelevant why someone joined the forum.

To post in news or not. Utterly besides the point.

Do you see now? You gave a possible explanation for the lack of logic. Perhaps Ober was here, earlier but under another name. very logical and possible explanation. However, good approach.

You are wise to assume some possible explanation but it is you.

Because of your reasoning about it, you was resistant to fall in clash but Buchholz had a negative premise that Ober is just dishonest. He could ask Ober about it as first.

That is my point here. We should not have negative thoughts as first.

[Ricardo]

Also the promise to boost the minimum-wage by 50% and pay all graduates B15k per month, but only because it's fair, not because they're buying votes or anything !

Curiously they don't yet seem to have spelled-out how this will be funded, whose taxes will be raised by how much, or whether DL will pay for it out of his vast personal-wealth as usual ?

"boost the minimum-wage by 50% and pay all graduates B15k per month... ... they don't yet seem to have spelled-out how this will be funded..."

Why do you ask this?

Of course companies employing people would pay.

The government would only pay for government employees being presently grossly under paid.

I ask because easy-promises pre-election of a significant boost in income do need to be paid-for, or the promise is meaningless, and agree that the employers are the ones who will be most hit. I think any proposal to hand out money needs to be properly funded. Current problems in the public-hospitals show what happens when a benefit is given, without being matched, by the necessary extra cash to pay for it.

The employers are either the local/national government, who will need to raise taxes or cut spending elsewhere, or big-companies who may well be supporting the PTP or Democrat political-machines, or small local businesses who might struggle to cope with the 50% increase in the minimum-wage. Companies can increase their prices, hitting the poor, or lay-off workers, also hitting the poor.

And I'm not sure whether the government-employee sweeping the streets or watering grass is "presently grossly under paid" at 200B/day, compared to a rice-farmer or a Burmese-refugee working in a border-factory.

Edited April 12, 2011 by Ricardo

[Oberkommando]

Maybe it was in a previous life. Who were you then?

Not that I feel obligated to tell you but the last handle I had here was retired at my request for a variety of reasons.

I was not banned or prohibited from using the forum in any way. Never have been.

You can speculate all you want to detract from the actual discussion and the fact that we have an amulet wearing PM who apparently believes in superstition and the protective qualities of these amulets, and a superstitious cabinet that consults fortune tellers, mystics and other questionable characters.

[animatic]

Maybe it was in a previous life. Who were you then?

Not that I feel obligated to tell you but the last handle I had here was retired at my request for a variety of reasons.

I was not banned or prohibited from using the forum in any way. Never have been.

You can speculate all you want to detract from the actual discussion and the fact that we have an amulet wearing PM who apparently believes in superstition and the protective qualities of these amulets, and a superstitious cabinet that consults fortune tellers, mystics and other questionable characters.

It is rather exceptionally rare to have a requested name change here, but not beyond reason. Of course that not being common knowledge lead to the questioning of your time line. It was a point made, and some apparently did not understand the point. Or went on about it based on partial info, as I was pointing out.

SInce the vast majority of those returned under new monikers were indeed banned. And an exceedingly small few were ever 'forgiven', it did make a question obvious.... I can but think of the trajectory of Permanent_Disorder and further 'personalities'.

Maybe you have a good luck charm of your own that prevents being banned?

Edited April 12, 2011 by animatic

[Oberkommando]

Maybe you have a good luck charm of your own that prevents being banned?

I try to obey the rules as I expect people to do when they use the Thailand discussion forum I help run in my spare time.

[whybother]

With this statement - "someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased" - you can not be talking about Buchholz. He is clearly anti-Thaksin/anti-red shirt.

With this statement - "disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts" - sounds more like your own postings.

Ok, i will accept that Buchholz might be anti T(h)aksin, he has right to be but other also have. In my opinion, we should be here more tolerant, if we want to be taken seriously about our saying. To don't allow ourselves be biased and blind for opinions of other posters. So, as first, to stay ON topic.

If you (we) comment on here from only your point of view, and denies to others the right to their views, if you are not ready to accept the possibility that perhaps your attitude is not correct, then all of it leads to the senseless quarrels. As mentioning the date of registering is. All will become way to personal and it is not good and making discussions on TV sterile, disgusting and waste of time.

This your last sentence to me is just proof of that.

Inappropriate to your previous comments that were created a picture of you that you are tolerant, civilized, well educated, democratic and moderate person in communicating to other here. Sad and makes me wonder now i might wrong about you.

However, I give you friendly advice, in the future if I have a duel with some one here and if it look like personal, do yourself a favour and stay out of it, will you? Just mind your own business man as i might take it as your personal attack on me. I am not for fighting here but i am good at, if needed. So, kindly ask you, let us be decent in talk.

Another example of my second statement.

I don't deny anyone their right to their views. I just comment on them. Are you suggesting I don't comment on views that I don't agree with? That would make it rather sterile if there were no dissenting views, wouldn't it? If you don't agree with someone's view, then comment on their view. Don't make it personal.

If you want to have a private duel with someone, don't use a public forum.

BTW, it's Thaksin, not Taksin or T(h)aksin.

[Buchholz]

With this statement - "someone who is trying to show himself here as unbiased" - you can not be talking about Buchholz. He is clearly anti-Thaksin/anti-red shirt.

With this statement - "disclose such a large nonsensical thoughts" - sounds more like your own postings.

You have cut out the context of what his point was.

And because of that faux pas, your argument holds no water. It is based on false assumptions on your part.

To recap.

Oberkomando stated he had been

'against Thaksin here on the forum when he was still PM',

but he wasn't in fact ON The FORUM when Thaksin was PM, at least not under his current user name. As his date of joining makes clear. So there is certainly accuracy in Buchholz critique.

So it comes down to whether Ober K misspoke in heated exchange or made a mistake about stating how long he has been here, and under how many user names.

It also is irrelevant why someone joined the forum.

To post in news or not. Utterly besides the point.

Another example of my second statement.

I don't deny anyone their right to their views. I just comment on them. Are you suggesting I don't comment on views that I don't agree with? That would make it rather sterile if there were no dissenting views, wouldn't it? If you don't agree with someone's view, then comment on their view. Don't make it personal.

If you want to have a private duel with someone, don't use a public forum.

BTW, it's Thaksin, not Taksin or T(h)aksin.

Thank you to whybother and animatic for their responses to stepenwolf today.

I wasn't available to respond myself to his various musings today, but I appreciate your setting the record straight and the patience to cogently and calmly explain things to him.

Hopefully some of it will sink in. Thanks again.

As for the sloppy slip-up, it was what it was...

As for the topic and the various platforms that have been posted on, another one worth mentioning in the Pheu Thai Party arsenal is to make everyone rich in 6 months.

Now there's a winning platform.

.

Edited April 12, 2011 by Buchholz

[rubl]

Maybe you have a good luck charm of your own that prevents being banned?

I try to obey the rules as I expect people to do when they use the Thailand discussion forum I help run in my spare time.

No offence, but 'to help run' suggests you have an active role in 'running' this forum. Does that mean you're one of the mods? Some of your posts suggest your home-base is in Cambodia. Fine with me, but somehow it suggests (together with your posts) that Thailand is not your most favorite place. Again, fine with me, but it makes your posts a wee bit tainted. One of those things, old chap

[whybother]

Maybe you have a good luck charm of your own that prevents being banned?

I try to obey the rules as I expect people to do when they use the Thailand discussion forum I help run in my spare time.

No offence, but 'to help run' suggests you have an active role in 'running' this forum. Does that mean you're one of the mods? Some of your posts suggest your home-base is in Cambodia. Fine with me, but somehow it suggests (together with your posts) that Thailand is not your most favorite place. Again, fine with me, but it makes your posts a wee bit tainted. One of those things, old chap

... the "Thailand discussion forum" he helps run. Not this "Thailand discussion forum".

[animatic]

Maybe you have a good luck charm of your own that prevents being banned?

I try to obey the rules as I expect people to do when they use the Thailand discussion forum I help run in my spare time.

No offence, but 'to help run' suggests you have an active role in 'running' this forum. Does that mean you're one of the mods? Some of your posts suggest your home-base is in Cambodia. Fine with me, but somehow it suggests (together with your posts) that Thailand is not your most favorite place. Again, fine with me, but it makes your posts a wee bit tainted. One of those things, old chap

... the "Thailand discussion forum" he helps run. Not this "Thailand discussion forum".

That is also how I read it. I assume also it is not tweaked dhor,

since there are no rules there that I can see.

And for the record,

I have also been a mod at another online forum for several years. Presently and gratefully retired. But not retreaded.

Edited April 12, 2011 by animatic

[rubl]

... the "Thailand discussion forum" he helps run. Not this "Thailand discussion forum".

That is also how I read it. I assume also it is not tweaked dhor,

since there are no rules there that I can see.

And for the record,

I have also been a mod at another online forum for several years. Presently and gratefully retired. But not retreaded.

Please excuse my ignorance, but 'the Thailand discussion forum'? Does it have a web address?