ianbaggie Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Thaksin may also be the only ex-PM to have been convicted Chuan Leekpai, Democrat Party leader and former PM has been convicted by the National Counter Corruption Commission. His brother, Raluek, allegedly embezzled billions from the Thai banks and fled to Taiwan, only returning to Thailand once the statute of limitations on his crime expired. Keep 'em coming. at least he didnt steal 400 billion in tax payers money to feed into Shincorp then sell to Singapore whilst at the same time passing and trying to personally push through a bill to make this the LAST sale of a Thai company allowed - he is dispicable as is anyone who twists the truth to supporting him - "KEEP EM COMING RED SHIRT " I asked you to justify your claim that Thaksin stole billions.You haven't replied but now quantify the theft at 400 billion (rather typically you don't specify the currency).In any event I challenge you again to substantiate your statement with some hard facts. I chaallenge YOU to prove that the courts conviction of Thaksin which you conveniently put to one side is untrue!! As usual as most red shirt supporters do you put the bits that dont fit to one side - I think you must be related to Juthaporn!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbaggie Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Jayboy - the following link is from the New York Times - his maid had 33 million baht in her account - his driver 117 million added to the land deals he cheaply put through to his wife and the illegal sale of Shincorp are tantamount to theft - back to the old red drawing board i suppose for you then?? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/world/asia/22thai.html Most laughable is Thaksins quote when informed of his conviction "Oh well" He said "You know what Thai politics is like"!! Yes Mr Shinawatra - we do!! keep em coming Jayboy - you line em up - ill knock em down!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunkin2012 Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Thaksin been worse than Nazi dictator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 If someone has spent 30 years studying the courts in Thailand, I would suspect that he had listened to the assets forfeiture case verdict. To be fair, there have been no other convictions than the Radchada land case and the loss of all the money in the assets case, because you must be present in the court at least once for other cases to proceed. The hours and hours long verdict by the courts in the assets forfeiture case certainly did describe theft as well as several other forms of corruption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Thaksin been worse than Nazi dictator No not hardly. But he does have the potential and mindset to compete for the title if given a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hes a convicted criminal on the run whos stolen billions may just have bought him the leadership of this country in 2 months time!!!!! THAT IS the danger Can you support your claim that Thaksin "stole billions" ?If you can please provide details. The low-interest loan to Myanmar comes to mind, only $121 million, but since we're in Thailand to be seen as THB 3.63 billion : "Thaksin was behind the decision to grant the low-interest loan from the Export-Import Bank of Thailand to Myanmar's government in 2004 to buy services and equipment from Shin Satellite, now Thaicom THCOM.BK, a unit of Shin Corp SHIN.BK, a telecoms firm then owned by his family." http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/02/26/thailand-politics-thaksin-myanmar-idINBAK00301120100226 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Jayboy - the following link is from the New York Times - his maid had 33 million baht in her account - his driver 117 million added to the land deals he cheaply put through to his wife and the illegal sale of Shincorp are tantamount to theft - back to the old red drawing board i suppose for you then?? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/world/asia/22thai.html I'm sorry but you are completely off target.You have referred to the concealment of assets which although a serious offence is not theft.The sale of Shincorp was not illegal, though there were some tax complications (jury still out on that).The Siam Commercial Bank (check out the shareholders) was the main bank supporting and advising the deal.In any event being "tantamount to theft" is not theft.You have completely failed to make your case and your apparent ignorance of Thailand's corporate history is very evident.Even Thaksin's most powerful enemies don't accuse him of "theft".Do your research and be a bit more honest.There are enough offences Thaksin committed without having to invent ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hes a convicted criminal on the run whos stolen billions may just have bought him the leadership of this country in 2 months time!!!!! THAT IS the danger Can you support your claim that Thaksin "stole billions" ?If you can please provide details. The low-interest loan to Myanmar comes to mind, only $121 million, but since we're in Thailand to be seen as THB 3.63 billion : "Thaksin was behind the decision to grant the low-interest loan from the Export-Import Bank of Thailand to Myanmar's government in 2004 to buy services and equipment from Shin Satellite, now Thaicom THCOM.BK, a unit of Shin Corp SHIN.BK, a telecoms firm then owned by his family." http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/02/26/thailand-politics-thaksin-myanmar-idINBAK00301120100226 Rubbish.The Thai Exim bank exists to provide low interest loans to Thai exporters including the Shin Group.That is the whole point of its existence.Did Thaksin exert influence to secure Eximbank support? Probably, though the details are obscure.Nobody protested or resigned.Are there questions to be asked? Yes.Is it theft? No, of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 begin removed ... There are enough offences Thaksin committed without having to invent ones. Well, well, we agree on something again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) The low-interest loan to Myanmar comes to mind, only $121 million, but since we're in Thailand to be seen as THB 3.63 billion : "Thaksin was behind the decision to grant the low-interest loan from the Export-Import Bank of Thailand to Myanmar's government in 2004 to buy services and equipment from Shin Satellite, now Thaicom THCOM.BK, a unit of Shin Corp SHIN.BK, a telecoms firm then owned by his family." http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/02/26/thailand-politics-thaksin-myanmar-idINBAK00301120100226 Rubbish.The Thai Exim bank exists to provide low interest loans to Thai exporters including the Shin Group.That is the whole point of its existence.Did Thaksin exert influence to secure Eximbank support? Probably, though the details are obscure.Nobody protested or resigned.Are there questions to be asked? Yes.Is it theft? No, of course not. The loan was granted in 2004. At that time no-one was going to quoestion PM Thaksin's wheeling and dealing too loudly. Some reporters got defamation lawsuit slapped on them by our esteemed leader, claiming billions in damages. When a PM induces a low-interest state loan to be granted in order for his company to profit, this may not legally constitute 'theft', but for ordinary people that doesn't matter. The country lost income due to 'low-interest loan', due to 'loan', a private company which just happened to be owned by 'amply rich' PM Thaksin profitted. No theft, but larceny on a grand sale? Edited April 24, 2011 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 The low-interest loan to Myanmar comes to mind, only $121 million, but since we're in Thailand to be seen as THB 3.63 billion : "Thaksin was behind the decision to grant the low-interest loan from the Export-Import Bank of Thailand to Myanmar's government in 2004 to buy services and equipment from Shin Satellite, now Thaicom THCOM.BK, a unit of Shin Corp SHIN.BK, a telecoms firm then owned by his family." http://in.reuters.co...K00301120100226 Rubbish.The Thai Exim bank exists to provide low interest loans to Thai exporters including the Shin Group.That is the whole point of its existence.Did Thaksin exert influence to secure Eximbank support? Probably, though the details are obscure.Nobody protested or resigned.Are there questions to be asked? Yes.Is it theft? No, of course not. The loan was granted in 2004. At that time no-one was going to quoestion PM Thaksin's wheeling and dealing too loudly. Some reporters got defamation lawsuit slapped on them by our esteemed leader, claiming billions in damages. When a PM induces a low-interest state loan to be granted in order for his company to profit, this may not legally constitute 'theft', but for ordinary people that doesn't matter. The country lost income due to 'low-interest loan', due to 'loan', a private company which just happened to be owned by 'amply rich' PM Thaksin profitted. No theft, but larceny on a grand sale? In the reading of the assets forfeiture case .. the judges detailed many instances of corruption that benefitted Thaksin and cost the Thai people billions ... theft, by any other name would smell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hes a convicted criminal on the run whos stolen billions may just have bought him the leadership of this country in 2 months time!!!!! THAT IS the danger Can you support your claim that Thaksin "stole billions" ?If you can please provide details. The low-interest loan to Myanmar comes to mind, only $121 million, but since we're in Thailand to be seen as THB 3.63 billion : "Thaksin was behind the decision to grant the low-interest loan from the Export-Import Bank of Thailand to Myanmar's government in 2004 to buy services and equipment from Shin Satellite, now Thaicom THCOM.BK, a unit of Shin Corp SHIN.BK, a telecoms firm then owned by his family." http://in.reuters.co...K00301120100226 Rubbish.The Thai Exim bank exists to provide low interest loans to Thai exporters including the Shin Group.That is the whole point of its existence.Did Thaksin exert influence to secure Eximbank support? Probably, though the details are obscure.Nobody protested or resigned.Are there questions to be asked? Yes.Is it theft? No, of course not. But it was 100% conflict of interest, 1 step removed by now proved illegal ownership and tax maneuvers Was there competitive bidding, OPEN competitive bidding, against Shincorp for this deal? No. Was the ExIm bank ordered to make a loan they had turned down? Yes indeed. AND there were cabinet walk outs over this forcing of the EximBank... seem you have forgotten this, conveniently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunkin2012 Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Thaksin been worse than Nazi dictator No not hardly. But he does have the potential and mindset to compete for the title if given a chance! I wonder when Montenegro people will realize he's a jinx .................. and get kick out.......from the country......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 The low-interest loan to Myanmar comes to mind, only $121 million, but since we're in Thailand to be seen as THB 3.63 billion : "Thaksin was behind the decision to grant the low-interest loan from the Export-Import Bank of Thailand to Myanmar's government in 2004 to buy services and equipment from Shin Satellite, now Thaicom THCOM.BK, a unit of Shin Corp SHIN.BK, a telecoms firm then owned by his family." http://in.reuters.co...K00301120100226 Rubbish.The Thai Exim bank exists to provide low interest loans to Thai exporters including the Shin Group.That is the whole point of its existence.Did Thaksin exert influence to secure Eximbank support? Probably, though the details are obscure.Nobody protested or resigned.Are there questions to be asked? Yes.Is it theft? No, of course not. The loan was granted in 2004. At that time no-one was going to quoestion PM Thaksin's wheeling and dealing too loudly. Some reporters got defamation lawsuit slapped on them by our esteemed leader, claiming billions in damages. When a PM induces a low-interest state loan to be granted in order for his company to profit, this may not legally constitute 'theft', but for ordinary people that doesn't matter. The country lost income due to 'low-interest loan', due to 'loan', a private company which just happened to be owned by 'amply rich' PM Thaksin profitted. No theft, but larceny on a grand sale? In the reading of the assets forfeiture case .. the judges detailed many instances of corruption that benefitted Thaksin and cost the Thai people billions ... theft, by any other name would smell.... Again you haven't done enough research.Please provide the details to justify your case.I suspect the example you have in mind is the illegal lottery case where judges accused Thaksin of cheating the Thai taxpayer of billions. This is now accepted as completely incorrect:the steps the Thaksin government took were to benefit the Thai treasury.Sheer political vendetta in that case but perhaps you have some real evidence not just hearsay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oberkommando Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 god bless the Army for being the only force strong enough to allay this meglomaniacs lust for power 17 coups and 19 constitutions in 70 years. Thaksin, the only elected Thai PM to serve a full term and the only Thai PM to be re-elected. As was Adolf Hitler Herr Oberkommando!! We've been Godwinned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) begin removed ... I suspect the example you have in mind is the illegal lottery case where judges accused Thaksin of cheating the Thai taxpayer of billions. This is now accepted as completely incorrect:the steps the Thaksin government took were to benefit the Thai treasury.Sheer political vendetta in that case but perhaps you have some real evidence not just hearsay? 2008-03-10 AEC to sue thaksin in lottery case today http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/03/10/national/national_30067674.php 2008-07-08 NCCC Calls for Suspension of 3 Ministers Involved in Lottery Case http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/toc/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1008513 2008-09-26 "The Supreme Court has approved another arrest warrant for fugitive former Premier, Thaksin Shinawatra after he failed to attend the first hearing of the two- and three-digit lottery case." http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/toc/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1009656 2011-04-08 with a long list of cases, most waiting for the return of the accused. http://www.livetradingnews.com/thaksin-shinawatra-hands-victory-to-abhisit-vejjajiva-39087.htm How innocent can a man be who is on the run with dozens of court cases waiting for him? Oh, political motivated! Innocent till proven guilty. Well, difficult when we can't start without him (edit: add Sept'26 link) Edited April 25, 2011 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 In the reading of the assets forfeiture case .. the judges detailed many instances of corruption that benefitted Thaksin and cost the Thai people billions ... theft, by any other name would smell.... Again you haven't done enough research.Please provide the details to justify your case.I suspect the example you have in mind is the illegal lottery case where judges accused Thaksin of cheating the Thai taxpayer of billions. This is now accepted as completely incorrect:the steps the Thaksin government took were to benefit the Thai treasury.Sheer political vendetta in that case but perhaps you have some real evidence not just hearsay? I pretty clearly stated which case I was referring to The judges read the verdict and the 7 hours of explanation live on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patjem Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 You expats all posting your exper opinions all the time should be aware that Thaksin also has an army of people watching your posts here and when he DOES get back in, your ip adresses shall get you all a free ticket back to your own countries and myself shush you all a farewell and don't let the door ......... I think Mr. T should be ordering you all to stay out of Thai politics although you all seem to think that YOU should all be running the country. I also think you should ALL keep quiet with your opinions regarding a Thai's statement (whether he is on the run or not) love for the Monarchy. I hope you all get ousted when Mr. T does get back in for your anti Thaksin postings here. Heaven forbid, Timothy, if we were all to make it easy for them by not not using proxy connections, and spelt our names backwards for a user name. They might find us really quickly if they were to google it and find we'd all left plenty of info and our photos on a social networking site. Some of us really aren't that smart, you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 You expats all posting your exper opinions all the time should be aware that Thaksin also has an army of people watching your posts here and when he DOES get back in, your ip adresses shall get you all a free ticket back to your own countries and myself shush you all a farewell and don't let the door ......... I think Mr. T should be ordering you all to stay out of Thai politics although you all seem to think that YOU should all be running the country. I also think you should ALL keep quiet with your opinions regarding a Thai's statement (whether he is on the run or not) love for the Monarchy. I hope you all get ousted when Mr. T does get back in for your anti Thaksin postings here. Heaven forbid, Timothy, if we were all to make it easy for them by not not using proxy connections, and spelt our names backwards for a user name. They might find us really quickly if they were to google it and find we'd all left plenty of info and our photos on a social networking site. Some of us really aren't that smart, you see. too funny... Thanks, patjem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I am starting to wish that the Thai Army (along with the Cambodian Army) would stay out of the Army business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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