Thailand Goes On Full Terror Alert

[CBinParadise]

elaborating on clbelljr's comments:

The following is based largely on Sam C. Holliday's Conflict of Wills:

I’m not very religious myself, but obviously the monsters who have been killing children and innocents around the world are religiously driven --- maybe obsessed is a better word.

I do know a little about fighting --- I know it’s essential to understand as much as possible about your enemy’s patterns and motivations.

And we’ve been going about things all wrong.

First let’s get some terminology straight.

Our enemies are the world’s hirabahists (evildoers who use terror against civilians). Those that commit terror in the name of Islam are kafir (apostates or infidels to the Quran) who are guilty of istihlal (Islam's grievous sin of playing God).

The hirabahists have been calling their cause Jihad (Holy War), their assassins mujahiddin (holy warriors or Servants of Allah or martyrs), and their destiny Jinnah (Paradise).

And all too often, the politically correct have adopted these terms. Doing so is both inaccurate and dangerous. We should refer to their cause as Hirabah (unholy war), their assassins as hirabahists (evildoers that use terror against civilians) or Servants of Satan, and their destiny as Jahannam (eternal Hellfire).

Okay, now we know some new words. So what?

Step one is to pressure all Islamic clerics worldwide to issue fatwas (religious edicts) that condemn anyone who uses terror against civilians as a kafir (infidel) to authentic Quranic Islam. Those Islamic clerics who will not issue such a fatwa should then be considered suspect hirabahists themselves.

In their condemnation the Islamic clerics should state that:

1. Faithful and peaceful Muslims must unite and oppose the blasphemous criminality of those who use terror against civilians, which violates the teaching of authentic Islam.

2. The ongoing attacks are not an authentic Jihad (Holy War), but a Hirabah (Unholy War)—which in secular terms is called a "crime against humanity".

3. Those conducting Hirabah are destined for Jahannam (Eternal Hellfire), not Jinnah (Paradise).

Those that believe in the so-called Third Jihad claim they have a right to reclaim all formerly Muslim-ruled lands, even where Muslims now are a minority.

They want Islamist rule to replace secular rule in the Middle East, across North and East Africa, Asia Minor, the Balkans, Southwest Asia, Central Asia, and Indonesia. But the believers of the Third Jihad also want a global Caliphate. That means they want to be the only ones that can proselytize where Muslims are a minority.

It is impossible to compromise with the hirabahists because they have unlimited goals. To us their goals might seem unreasonable and unlikely to succeed. Yet they, like Hitler, can do grave harm before their movement's ultimate defeat.

But we can surely get to work on isolating the hirabahists and educating their unwitting supporters.

[opothai]

elaborating on clbelljr's comments:

The following is based largely on Sam C. Holliday's Conflict of Wills:

I’m not very religious myself, but obviously the monsters who have been killing children and innocents around the world are religiously driven --- maybe obsessed is a better word.

I do know a little about fighting --- I know it’s essential to understand as much as possible about your enemy’s  patterns and motivations. 

And we’ve been going about things all wrong.

First let’s get some terminology straight.

Our enemies are the world’s hirabahists (evildoers who use terror against civilians).  Those that commit terror in the name of Islam are kafir (apostates or infidels to the Quran) who are guilty of istihlal (Islam's grievous sin of playing God).

The hirabahists have been calling their cause Jihad (Holy War), their assassins mujahiddin (holy warriors or Servants of Allah or martyrs), and their destiny Jinnah (Paradise).

And all too often, the politically correct have adopted these terms.  Doing so is both inaccurate and dangerous. We should refer to their cause as Hirabah (unholy war), their assassins as hirabahists (evildoers that use terror against civilians) or Servants of Satan, and their destiny as Jahannam (eternal Hellfire).

Okay, now we know some new words.  So what?

Step one is to pressure all Islamic clerics worldwide to issue fatwas (religious edicts) that condemn anyone who uses terror against civilians as a kafir (infidel) to authentic Quranic Islam. Those Islamic clerics who will not issue such a fatwa should then be considered suspect hirabahists themselves.

In their condemnation the Islamic clerics should state that:

1. Faithful and peaceful Muslims must unite and oppose the blasphemous criminality of those who use terror against civilians, which violates the teaching of authentic Islam.

2. The ongoing attacks are not an authentic Jihad (Holy War), but a Hirabah (Unholy War)—which in secular terms is called a "crime against humanity".

3. Those conducting Hirabah are destined for Jahannam (Eternal Hellfire), not Jinnah (Paradise).

Those that believe in the so-called Third Jihad claim they have a right to reclaim all formerly Muslim-ruled lands, even where Muslims now are a minority.

They want Islamist rule to replace secular rule in the Middle East, across North and East Africa, Asia Minor, the Balkans, Southwest Asia, Central Asia, and Indonesia. But the believers of the Third Jihad also want a global Caliphate. That means they want to be the only ones that can proselytize where Muslims are a minority.

It is impossible to compromise with the hirabahists because they have unlimited goals. To us their goals might seem unreasonable and unlikely to succeed. Yet they, like Hitler, can do grave harm before their movement's ultimate defeat.

But we can surely get to work on isolating the hirabahists and educating their unwitting supporters.

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bloody ###### that some serious terminoligy, but i get your meaning and agree

[Kerryd]

OK, lets just move the boarder, we can loose say 75 tp 100 kms, and pass the problem to malaysia, any Thais who want to keep there passport will have to move, (sorry about that) the rest who stay, well they can take a rest and become either stateless or Malaysian. At least this way we could cut down on the loss of life>

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Lets say you do that, move the border, give in to the terrorists, relocate the loyal Thais.

What do you do when the same problems start occurring, again, in the areas along the "new" border ?

What do you do when Phuket, Krabi and Koh Samui start being targeted the way the southern provinces are now ?

Give in to the terrorists and redraw the borders again ?

When do you finally draw a line in the sand and say "enough is enough" ?

[zaz]

elaborating on clbelljr's comments:

The following is based largely on Sam C. Holliday's Conflict of Wills:

I’m not very religious myself, but obviously the monsters who have been killing children and innocents around the world are religiously driven --- maybe obsessed is a better word.

I do know a little about fighting --- I know it’s essential to understand as much as possible about your enemy’s  patterns and motivations. 

And we’ve been going about things all wrong.

First let’s get some terminology straight.

Our enemies are the world’s hirabahists (evildoers who use terror against civilians).  Those that commit terror in the name of Islam are kafir (apostates or infidels to the Quran) who are guilty of istihlal (Islam's grievous sin of playing God).

The hirabahists have been calling their cause Jihad (Holy War), their assassins mujahiddin (holy warriors or Servants of Allah or martyrs), and their destiny Jinnah (Paradise).

And all too often, the politically correct have adopted these terms.  Doing so is both inaccurate and dangerous. We should refer to their cause as Hirabah (unholy war), their assassins as hirabahists (evildoers that use terror against civilians) or Servants of Satan, and their destiny as Jahannam (eternal Hellfire).

Okay, now we know some new words.  So what?

Step one is to pressure all Islamic clerics worldwide to issue fatwas (religious edicts) that condemn anyone who uses terror against civilians as a kafir (infidel) to authentic Quranic Islam. Those Islamic clerics who will not issue such a fatwa should then be considered suspect hirabahists themselves.

In their condemnation the Islamic clerics should state that:

1. Faithful and peaceful Muslims must unite and oppose the blasphemous criminality of those who use terror against civilians, which violates the teaching of authentic Islam.

2. The ongoing attacks are not an authentic Jihad (Holy War), but a Hirabah (Unholy War)—which in secular terms is called a "crime against humanity".

3. Those conducting Hirabah are destined for Jahannam (Eternal Hellfire), not Jinnah (Paradise).

Those that believe in the so-called Third Jihad claim they have a right to reclaim all formerly Muslim-ruled lands, even where Muslims now are a minority.

They want Islamist rule to replace secular rule in the Middle East, across North and East Africa, Asia Minor, the Balkans, Southwest Asia, Central Asia, and Indonesia. But the believers of the Third Jihad also want a global Caliphate. That means they want to be the only ones that can proselytize where Muslims are a minority.

It is impossible to compromise with the hirabahists because they have unlimited goals. To us their goals might seem unreasonable and unlikely to succeed. Yet they, like Hitler, can do grave harm before their movement's ultimate defeat.

But we can surely get to work on isolating the hirabahists and educating their unwitting supporters.

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A good post CB agree with you totally.

[meadish_sweetball]

terrorism and false flag operations have been used by governments as a tool to control people for thousands of years. but nowadays, since muslims are being made to look like bad people, they are retaliating, or pretending to by other groups disguised as muslims. recently, in iraq, a couple of british soldiers were caught red-handed dressed as muslims, and with a nice cache of weapons and bombs, after dropping bombs on a prison to rescue their colleagues.

what a sorry ass state of the world when religion/oil/money/control are being used as a pretext for wars. everyone must create their own utopia and peace. because your religion, government, etc., can not...

[Aussietraveller]

CB,

Great post, good to hear from soeone who has done some homework...

I do agree that those who use any form of religion as an an excuse to kill innocent people, are deluded..

BUT...Back to the topic..

I do hope that these sick individuals do not spread their evil in LOS.

Hope that all of you in Bangkok stay safe....

[jaapfries]

BREAKING NEWS:

Thailand goes on full terror alert

Here's what Sir Winston Churchill said about the 'Muslim-Religion' some 106 (!) years ago:

Subject: WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!

Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

God help us all !

Jaapfries

[yingyangtatoo]

Bali is considered to be the most successful of all the bombings as in there were no muslims harmed.

No muslims harmed?

What about the 38 Balinese (second only to the 88 Australians) who were killed ?

What religion were they - Christian ?

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Perhaps however: "Many visitors who arrive in Bali do not realize that Bali is

very different religiously, to the rest of Indonesia.

Balinese people have been Hindus for eight hundred years"

[ServeUncutUncle]

Bali is considered to be the most successful of all the bombings as in there were no muslims harmed.

No muslims harmed?

What about the 38 Balinese (second only to the 88 Australians) who were killed ?

What religion were they - Christian ?

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Most Balinese, unlike most of Indonesia are Hindu, hence the remark no Muslims were harmed.

[Galong]

to galong

I believe in the press freedom, but I believe too, the media is the best tool the terrorist have.

but we should be careful about your idea, in Italia they did the same 20 years ago,

during some months any terrorist attack was mainly informed by the media, until after some small terrorist actions, they did a big one, i dont remember where now, and it was imposible to hide it

dificult days for the safe places as thailand

bye

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You're right kaspasecret.

It's not a black and white issue... it's grey. We certainly don't want Thaksin to be able to do whatever he wants without some sort of watchdog (media), but there's got to be some way of balancing media coverage and doing so without playing into the terrorist's hands. Showing all the blood and guts is a bit more than I feel is necessary. We'll all seen it, we don't need it to get the point.

I don't have all of the answer, but I've got plenty of questions.

Peace

[carlthailand]

Bali is considered to be the most successful of all the bombings as in there were no muslims harmed.

No muslims harmed?

What about the 38 Balinese (second only to the 88 Australians) who were killed ?

What religion were they - Christian ?

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Not Christian - Hindu! Which is one reason that Bali is so popular with tourists. As the Balinese are not Muslim they don't have issues with alcohal or with their women dating foreigners.

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Yeah but most Balinese women are not interested in foreigners as such. Generally the working girls in Bali are from Java which is the home of some of the terrorists.

C

[SiriusBlack1]

Bali is considered to be the most successful of all the bombings as in there were no muslims harmed.

No muslims harmed?

What about the 38 Balinese (second only to the 88 Australians) who were killed ?

What religion were they - Christian ?

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The Balinese are predominantly Hindu.

[otherstuff1957]

By my count no fewer than 8 of us have showed off by noting that the Balinese practice a version of Hinduism rather than Islam! 555

[RamTodatry]

Bali is mostly Hindu, although the workers in restaurants, hotels, and resorts and other services could be of any religion.

What is worrisome is that if you travel around Bangkok, there are so many spots that are not "tourist" oriented that are low-hanging fruit for terrorist targets. I think it is important for all of us to be aware of our surroundings at all times. This is not a call to hit the panic button, but a call to be more aware.

I do not trust the Thai authorities to do much except wag some tongue for a couple of days/weeks. Look at the situation in the South: head-in-the-sand!!!

[carlthailand]

By my count no fewer than 8 of us have showed off by noting that the Balinese practice a version of Hinduism rather than Islam! 555

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And one to count them all.

Yeah and one to reply to that email.

C

[Nam Kao]

If you were ever inclined to experience Thai-only venues now would be a good

time for that.

I would avoid all falang populated restaurants/bars etc as these are havens for the

targeted Infidels.

Nana/Cowboy/Patpong (sorry Dr Patpong) are probably highest on the list.

be careful

nam

[slim]

Have I just set a record for the most individual replies to one post?

Thanks everyone - I guess most Balinese are predominatly Hindu then.

Edited October 3, 2005 by slim

[seonai]

CB your post was indeed good but before you get too bigheaded: "I’m not very religious myself, but obviously the monsters who have been killing children and innocents around the world are religiously driven --- maybe obsessed is a better word"...... errhhmmmm how many people kill children and innocents around the world????????? Take a think??????

And to the Winston Churchill poster - what would you expect from a guy who probably saw exactly the same in his own country 106 years ago but couldn't admit it as he HAD to prove the rest of the world were HEATHENS??????

Come on..... careful with words......

Seonai

[george]

Update: You can get the latest at http://www.radiobangkok.net from 20:45 BKK time.

[kidtongue]

How does Thaksin KNOWS that “…terrorists are commuting and rotating around the region…”  That’s a pretty bold statement and one that could impact tourism harder than the other types of hysteria promote (such as bird flu).  If this is true, Thaksin should keep this a secret.  By printing this, The media is letting the bad guys know what the good guys are up to.

The media is the best tool that terrorist could possibly have.  They obviously want to keep people scared and the media is doing their best to aid them.  I believe in freedom of press, unless it compromises national security.

What would happen if a terrorist blew something up and no one heard about it?

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I think *lack* of freedom of the press has compromised national security more than the reverse.

If something blew up and no one heard about it probably wasn't insurable.

[jrincon17]

Reminds me of the boxing announcer....

"Let's get reaaaaadddddyyyyyyy to rummmmmmble!"

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huh ?????

[peter48]

I was in Pattaya for nearly four weeks this summer and the thing I noticed was the lack of security or police around ; you hardly see a traffic cop let alone a tourist policeman; I am talking the four weeks after the London bombings. I thought it was probably a myth that Thailand is providing extra cover for this period and any way we all know these attacks never happen close together... its how much security there will be in several months from now in Thailands tourist hot spots like P. or Bangkok or Chang Mai etc.,

[jrincon17]

I find it astonishing ... hang on, I take that back ... I don't find it at all surprising that the Thai government reacts every time something happens elsewhere. Bearing in mind that trouble could happen anytime here due to the unrest in the south, it's funny how security measures are only stepped up when something happens in another country.

For a while everyone arriving at the departure terminal at Don Muang had their bags checked by soldiers as they went through one of the entrance doors. A good idea except you could enter from the arrivals terminal downstairs where there was no such security measure! Do they think terrorists are stupid?

There was then a period where bags didn't appear to be checked unless you looked like you might be a terrorist and just the other day I went through a door and didn't even see a soldier ... there were a couple standing around listening to music on their MP3 players at the far end of the terminal but they were hardly in a position to react to a machine gun toting terrorist or suicide bomber.

Everyone who has lived in Bangkok for a reasonable period of time knows that once  terrorists have their bombs assembled and their targets set, it will be quite easy for them to achieve their objectives. It could be tomorrow, next week, next month or next year. Whenever it happens, it will not be a shock. Most of us know just how poor security here really is.

Thaksin's warnings are  about as much security as we can hope for. The only surprise is that there haven't been any bomb attacks on Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket yet.

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Iflew from Bkk to phuket and i had a back pack full of camera equip and electronics . They didnt scan it or check it just let me go right through .

[mai_reuh]

might be time to move lodgings.

perhaps I should move to the bottom of suk soi 3, near suk intersection.

should be safe there..

[Nam Kao]

>>>might be time to move lodgings.>>>

Try to find something close to a Mosque

[seonai]

why do you think I wear a headscarf mate?????

[zaz]

>>>might be time to move lodgings.>>>

Try to find something close to a Mosque

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That's a primary target too isn't it (by the "other side")...?

[Nam Kao]

Zaz, no fear we have precision weapons

[Rinrada]

Wot did the roman s ever do for us.....?

Another little gem that I just "appened" to pass by.... wonder if there is any connection......naw cant be...

The Catholic Encyclopedia states the position of the Roman Catholic Church with regard to all those of other faiths in the world is as follows:

"Heretics may not only be excommunicated, but also justly put to death." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XIV, p. 768

[zaz]

Zaz, no fear we have precision weapons 

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"Surgical" precision to be precise!!! LOL