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Iflew from Bkk to phuket and i had a back pack full of camera equip and electronics . They didnt scan it or check it just let me go right through .

You were the ONLY passenger that managed to walk straight through to the departure lounge without walking through the detector, or having to put your "carry on" bags through the mandatory X ray machine? You're either a Troll or stupid, or both :o

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"and any way we all know these attacks never happen close together... "

I'm thinking London sadly put the kabosh on that theory.

An essential part of terrorism is the fear and uncertainty .

I think many of us have resigned ourselves to the fact that it will reach Thailand in due time. It won't surprise me when it happens. I just hope they don't take too many lives.

I wish I had some humane ideas of how to solve this problem. But I don't. That's the part that frustrates me.

~WISteve

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Its pretty weird how they've hit Bali a second time. 

Bali is considered to be the most successful of all the bombings as in there were no muslims harmed.

If these guys would just start bombing politicians instead of the populace, they would all go from being hated to loved overnight. This would go much further to promote their agenda. I wouldn't mind seeing a few neo-cons in the obit column.

Oh well... if wishes were fishes and all that.

well said and very true

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"You were the ONLY passenger that managed to walk straight through to the departure lounge without walking through the detector, or having to put your "carry on" bags through the mandatory X ray machine? You're either a Troll or stupid, or both "

Carry-on bags were NOT SCANNED just two weeks ago when I departed Bangkok on Eva. I didn't have any checked bags; just a carry-on and my laptop bag and NONE of it was inspected or scanned.

Who is the troll? :o

~WISteve

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:o OK, lets just move the boarder, we can loose say 75 tp 100 kms, and pass the problem to malaysia, any Thais who want to keep there passport will have to move, (sorry about that) the rest who stay, well they can take a rest and become either stateless or Malaysian. At least this way we could cut down on the loss of life>

That idea was discussed once by the British Gov. with regards the "troubles" in Northern Ireland (ulster)

Suggestion was that it might be possible to move all of the so called "loyalists" from the provence and resettle them in various parts of the UK...basically move the border.

This would show faith,keep happy and stay well in with the Republic (and E.U)as well as hopefully meadiating between both terrorist factions over there and maybe even barter some sort of peace agreement.

It was finally dropped however when it appeared and became apparent that the last thing the normal everyday "English" punter wanted was a million die hard "royalists/loyalists" amongst their hallowed shores.

Racialism,Sectarism or just fear....dont know... but never happened :D

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>>>If these guys would just start bombing politicians instead of the populace, they would all go from being hated to loved overnight. This would go much further to promote their agenda. I wouldn't mind seeing a few neo-cons in the obit column.

Are the Terrorist Apologist Libs moving to the dark side? :o

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"You were the ONLY passenger that managed to walk straight through to the departure lounge without walking through the detector, or having to put your "carry on" bags through the mandatory X ray machine? You're either a Troll or stupid, or both "

Carry-on bags were NOT SCANNED just two weeks ago when I departed Bangkok on Eva.  I didn't have any checked bags; just a carry-on and my laptop bag and NONE of it was inspected or scanned.

Who is the troll? :o

~WISteve

Carry on bags are not scanned on arrival at the check in counter, just checked baggage, however you will not pass the final screen before you board your flight without putting your mobile, keys etc in a tray, and having your carry on bags X- Rayed. This includes cabin crew. You beat the system huh? :D OK I'll believe you :D

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>>>If these guys would just start bombing politicians instead of the populace, they would all go from being hated to loved overnight. This would go much further to promote their agenda. I wouldn't mind seeing a few neo-cons in the obit column.

Are the Terrorist Apologist Libs moving to the dark side?  :o

Don't let them move to the same side as you nam kao, it'll make you nervous :D

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Thanks, Rinrada, I like your comments !

Wot did the roman s ever do for us.....?

Another little gem that I just "appened" to pass by.... :D wonder if there is any connection......naw cant be... :D

The Catholic Encyclopedia states the position of the Roman Catholic Church with regard to all those of other faiths in the world is as follows:

"Heretics may not only be excommunicated, but also justly put to death." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XIV, p. 768 :o  :D

yeah, that's a good "gem" ! :D

reminds me from similar one :

"Killing an infidel is not a sin but a path to Heaven"

From recent movie "Kingdom of Heaven"

(Sentence constantly repeated by a priest by the road side, as a blessing to passing by crusaders - chrirtian medival "mujahedins" or "holy" warriors :D )

That idea was discussed once by the British Gov. with regards the "troubles" in Northern Ireland (ulster)

Suggestion was that it might be possible to move all of the so called "loyalists" from the provence and resettle them in various parts of the UK...basically move the border.

Similar thing did Stalin, BTW quite successfully, in 30-s and 40-s - for example with Chechens.

well, how successfull - can be seen in those 2 wars there and still continuing insurgency , killing and other terror acts all over North Caucasis Region (South Russia)

pretty much as Basque separatists movement in Spain, all those guys in Kashmir, then Kurds in Turkey, Karens in Myanmar, multiple groups like Assames, Manipuris etc. in India, and who knows how many others elsewhere....

and sure, most of them apply religeous sentiments of masses to those political movements

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okay this is my last attempt at making some sort of in road to the male conversation here.... you guys obviously have some sort of of banter going on and I feel I can no longer contribute... go for it guys ..... as usual it will be men who dictate what is going to happen.... I have tried as an intelligent woman to intervent several conversations on this post and others and all I see is MEN shooting the crap with each other. Okay, this is me speaking honestly, I want to hear from people who are more moderate.... this topic is serious, really serious....

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okay so it is obvious that I am posting things that are not immediately repliable.... could you just speak to me instead of going quiet every time I post please

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Zaz, lets see if you change you tune when the 200 falangs are blown to pieces.

children, woman, freinds...

Which 200 falangs?

And I'm very confused as to which tune you think I'm singing...you still think I'm a terrorist right? Perhaps you haven't even been reading my posts? Well for your benefit nam kao I'm on the same side as all the other peace loving people on this forum and the world.

(I was actually going to say I'm on the same side as you but, that's not a place I'd recommend anyone would be...too many smoking guns & explosives)

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Bali is considered to be the most successful of all the bombings as in there were no muslims harmed.

No muslims harmed?

What about the 38 Balinese (second only to the 88 Australians) who were killed ?

What religion were they - Christian ?

The predominant faith in Bali is Hindu!

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We're finally getting Its pretty weird how they've hit Bali a second time.  Usually they (the terrorists) move on to another location, but at least it wasn't as deadly as the previous Bali bombing.  Still, every death is a death too much...

SD

Doesn't strike me as odd, as Bali still has a majority Hindu population and derives a large portion of its income from tourism. Islam doesn't care a whit for what occurs to the local economy or population.

Either your Islamic or your goose squeeze as far as the "peaceful loving religion" of Islam is concerned.

The sentence " at least it wasn't as deadly" concerns me as it shows an acceptence that although human lives were lost, its not so bad as they only killed X vs Y. To me lives have value , even the pigs of Islam, although if it takes the killing of a few to save the lives of others, ie Iraq. go for it, as a line must be drawn in the sand somewhere. And although misguided socialists seem to think appeasement will work. It won't.

:o

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Appeasement will never work.

From the Oct 3, 2005 Bangkok Post regarding a blanket amnesty by the Algerian people offered to long-time murderers and arsons in their civil war:

".......... The nation voted by a huge majority to give amnesty to the Islamic extremists responsible for a 10-year war that has killed and crippled tens of thousands of Algerians. The Charter for Peace and National Reconciliation got more than 97% support in a national referendum, despite arguments against giving freedom to violent killers. Within hours, the self-styled Jihadists of the leading terrorist group GSPC rejected the offer. ``The Jihad will go on,'' the group said, meaning bombing schools, murdering women and terrorising towns and cities."

They do not want amnesty, negotiations, or compromise.

They will continue to kill until they have their extreme Islamic nation or they die.

~WISteve

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Rinrada

JI’s ambition to create a single, fundamentalist Islamic state in South-East Asia which would embrace Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore and the Philippines and have a population of more than 400 million.

In another recent interview, a veteran Thai rebel leader warned that militants from Indonesia and Arab nations might join the Thai fight for a separate Muslim homeland if the government continued a crackdown against the southern Muslims that is provoking a new generation of fighters.

CBinHeaven
Those that believe in the so-called Third Jihad claim they have a right to reclaim all formerly Muslim-ruled lands, even where Muslims now are a minority.

They want Islamist rule to replace secular rule in the Middle East, across North and East Africa, Asia Minor, the Balkans, Southwest Asia, Central Asia, and Indonesia. But the believers of the Third Jihad also want a global Caliphate. That means they want to be the only ones that can proselytize where Muslims are a minority.

well, it is very relative : historically, many of those so called "formerly Muslim-ruled lands" before Muslims were ruled by some other guys, like Hindus or Christians or Buddhists; in S.E. Asia for many centuries there was Khmer empire (at times ruled over and/or vassalised parts of modern-day Laos, Thailand and Vietnam) and down South Sri Vijaya Empire , very powerfull and vast

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Some historians claim that Chaiya in the Surat Thani province in Southern Thailand was at least temporarily the capital of Srivijaya, but this claim is largely disputed. However Chaiya was probably a regional center of the kingdom. The temple Borom That in Chaiya contains a reconstructed pagoda in Srivijaya style. The Khmer kingdom may have been a tributary in its early stages.

In 1068, Virarajendra, the Chola king of Coromandel, conquered Kedah from Srivijaya. The Cholas continued a series of raids and conquests throughout what is now Indonesia and Malaysia for the next 20 years. Although the Chola invasion was ultimately unsuccessful, it gravely weakened the Srivijayan hegemony and enabled the formation of regional kingdoms based, like Kediri, on agriculture rather than trade

Islam made its way to the Aceh region of Sumatra, spreading through contacts with Arabs and Indian traders. By the late 13th century, the kingdom of Pasai (in northern Sumatra) converted to Islam. At the same time Srivijaya became a tributary of the Khmer empire and later the Sukhothai kingdom.

By 1414 Parameswara, the last prince of Srivijaya converted to Islam, and started the Sultanate of Malacca on the Malay peninsula.

The name of the empire was rediscovered by George Coedës in the 1920s, who noticed that the Chinese transcriptions interpreted as Sribhoja and the inscriptions in old Malay refer to the same empire.

So, practically ONLY from that Prince Parameswara Islam realy started to strengthen its hold in S.E. Asia ....

Sri Vijaya Empire

Founded about 650 AD

Defeated by the Javanese in 1290 AD

While it receives little attention from modern Western historians, Sri Vijaya was one of the longest lasting empires in human history. From it's founding in about 650 to it's defeat by the Javanese in 1290, Sri Vijaya controlled the Straits of Malacca for 640 years.

Islam came to the Malays of Sri Vijaya in the 13th century. While Gujarati merchants were common visitors to SE Asia, it is more likely that Islam was introduced by traders and merchants from India's Coromandel coast. The Shafi'i school of Islam, predominant in Indonesia today, was the leading school on the Coromandel coast at the time; the Gujaratis, on the other hand, were Hanafi Muslims.

(source: http://goasia.about.com/library/weekly/blsrivijaya.htm)

Majapahit Empire succeded Sri Vijaya Empire

The Majapahit Empire was based in eastern Java and ruled much of the southern Malay Peninsula, Borneo, Sumatra, and Bali from about 1293 to around 1500.

The name for the region Southeast Asia was first coined in the 20th century; it was previously known as Further India. and later as Indochina.

(source: http://www.geocities.com/raqta24/ind8.htm )

The Indian subcontinent is refered to as India in this page since they were one nation before the colonial era. The countries that are included in the subcontinent and studied here are Afganistan, Bangla Desh, Bhutan, India, Maldives (Mal Dwip), Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka (Singhala Dwip).

Burma (Brahma Desh or Myanmar), Thailand (Shyam Desh), Cambodia (Kamboja, the empire extended into Thailand and almost all of Vietnam), Champa (in Laos/Vietnam), Java (Job Dwip), Sumatra and others also created great Indian empires. It is not right to exclude them from a study of Indian art as they created some of the greatest Indian art. But for now, this page will only deal with the subcontinent.

The name "Indian" is also not a good name to use to describe the eastern Indian empires as the name today signifies only a part of the old India. The name might be Meluhha (Indus civilization name), Bharat (the real name of India) or Sri Vijaya Empire, giving respect to the creators of an empire in the East. So the whole span from Uzbekistan to Vietnam and Indonesia should be called the Sri Vijaya Empire instead of India and Indochina.

Sri Vijaya Empire once ruled much of East Asia from Java (Job Dwip). The old writing of Java is similar to proto-Bangla, northeastern Indian script. This empire was probably founded by Bengali Prince Vijay(a) Singh whose name was borne by Sri Lanka (Singhala Dwip) in the olden days, as he had created the first Kingdom there in 544 BC. Another Bengali empire in Laos/Vietnam called Champa had its capital called Vijaya. Champa on the other hand was the name of the capital of Gaur (ancient Bangla) where the Champas originated. Interestingly, Vijay(a) means victory in Indian languages today......

Dates are not established for much of India and moreover the dates that are available are prescribed by the west and are being disputed today. None of the dates are universally accepted today. One of the issues today is the Taj Mahal. Not only is its dating being questioned, its very origins are being disputed.

other sources are here - although Googling will give much more results I'm sure.

and earlier - many other Empires, such as Funan, Chenla, Angkor in Camboja, in India Mauryan Empire of the Emperor Ashoka the Great whose credit historically is spreading of Buddhism all over India and other neighbouring countries.

like Sri Lanka , or Mon in Myanmar - "had contact with Buddhism via seafaring as early as the 3rd century BC, though definitely by the 2nd century BC when they received an envoy of monks from Ashoka."

History of Malaysia

The history, as opposed to the pre-history, of the Malay-speaking world begins with the advent of Indian influence, which dates back to at least the 3rd century BC. Indian traders came to the archipelago both for its extremely abundant forest and maritime products and to trade with merchants from China, who also discovered the Malay world at an early date. Both Hinduism and Buddhism were well established in the Malay Peninsula by the beginning of the 1st century AD

The site of Srivijaya has never been found, but it was probably at the mouth of one of the rivers in eastern Sumatra, possibly near Palembang. For 700 years the Maharajahs of Srivijaya ruled a loose-knit maritime empire that controlled the coasts of Sumatra, Peninsular Malaya, and Borneo. Sometimes they also ruled parts of Java,but there were always rival Javanese states which resisted Srivijaya’s hegemony. Srivijaya lived by trade, welcoming annual trading fleets from China and India, and also traders from further afield, including Japanese, Iranians and Arabs. Its greatest enemies were the Siamese, who were always trying to encroach from the north. { :o } To secure a powerful ally against these enemies, the maharajahs paid tribute to the Chinese Emperors, but they were never under Chinese control.

Early history of Cambodia

Vedic and Hindu religion, political thought, literature, mythology, and artistic motifs gradually became integral elements in local Southeast Asian cultures

so, the conclusion is - it is quite baseless to claim some lands as "formerly rulled" by this or that religion, Empire or civilazation perhaps anywhere in the world even in Europe, especially in this region.

anybody and everybody can more or less rightfully claim that it used to belong to their group.

strictly speaking, even Thais can't be considered as original inhabitants of presant Thailand - but migrants from kingdom of Nanchao in Yunnan, China. (see Early History of Thailand) and other "Thais" were actually Shan and Karen of Myanmar and the Lao of Laos - and other guys like Hmong etc.

May be only Negrito people are those real Thais (now perhaps only those almost extinct Sagai tribes in the South), REAL Malaysian "bhumiputras" (not Malay-muslim but those aborigens orang-asli) and the Ati, the Aeta etc. in Philippines .....

but who gives a sh1t about those pygmies, right ? :D although perhaps they are the only ones who will remain long after all modern countries and religions are ancient history - as those great Empires now ! :D

Posted

UPDATE:

PM puts resorts on full security alert

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said yesterday he had put Thailand’s major tourist destinations on full alert following the suicide bombings on the tourist island of Bali that killed 22 people and injured over a hundred.

Thaksin said the number of plainclothes police and security officials has been beefed up in major tourist areas, including Phuket, Pattaya and Phang Nga. “We are on full alert,” Thaksin said. “We have some information that has caused us to be very cautious.”

When asked to elaborate on what kind of intelligence information had prompted the government’s reaction, Thaksin replied: “It’s not very clear but we have the situation under control.”

The alert came after suicide bombs on the Indonesian resort island of Bali last Saturday killed 22 people.

“Geographically it may seem that the locations are far apart, but Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand are actually connected along sea routes. These people [the terrorists] have been travelling between and circulating around the region via the sea for generations,” he said.

Thaksin said the terrorists have close links across the borders due to relatives and friends in the areas.

Though Thailand has been battling its own Muslim insurgents in the South, Thaksin has so far insisted that the violence in the deep South is an internal affair and has no connection with international terrorism. Yesterday’s statement was the closest Thaksin has come to linking the ongoing violence in the south to a broader network of radical elements outside the country.

While the PM insisted that everything was under control in the tourist spots, authorities have documented almost 1,900 attacks in the three southernmost provinces since the violence erupted 21 months ago.

Fourth Army commander and director of the Southern Border Provinces Peace-Building Command, Lt-General Kwanchart Klaharn, said authorities have documented 1,884 cases of arson, shootings, bombings and other violence linked to the unrest which began in January 2004.

In a rare public report on the violence in the three Muslim-majority provinces, Kwanchart said Narathiwat had seen most of the violence.

“Narathiwat province has the most cases, at 912. Yala and Pattani come after with 511 and 461 cases respectively,” he said.

Most of the violence has taken the form of drive-by shootings, arson attacks and small bombings, which have claimed more than 1,000 lives.

-- The Nation 2005-10-03

Posted
"You were the ONLY passenger that managed to walk straight through to the departure lounge without walking through the detector, or having to put your "carry on" bags through the mandatory X ray machine? You're either a Troll or stupid, or both "

Carry-on bags were NOT SCANNED just two weeks ago when I departed Bangkok on Eva.  I didn't have any checked bags; just a carry-on and my laptop bag and NONE of it was inspected or scanned.

Who is the troll? :o

~WISteve

Carry on bags are not scanned on arrival at the check in counter, just checked baggage, however you will not pass the final screen before you board your flight without putting your mobile, keys etc in a tray, and having your carry on bags X- Rayed. This includes cabin crew. You beat the system huh? :D OK I'll believe you :D

Maybe the security is good in Thailand, but not in other countries that fly to Thailand. So, you could board a plane bound for Thailand and get just about whatever you wanted to onboard. I traveled all over Asia for a year and boarded many planes with my large Swiss army knife in my pocket. I just forgot it was there.

I think the main thing that worries me is Hambali was caught in Thailand a few years ago. You know for sure others are there also. That is scary...

Posted (edited)

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COLOR=blue]meadish said

terrorism and false flag operations have been used by governments as a tool to control people for thousands of years. but nowadays, since muslims are being made to look like bad people, they are retaliating, or pretending to by other groups disguised as muslims. recently, in iraq, a couple of british soldiers were caught red-handed dressed as muslims, and with a nice cache of weapons and bombs, after dropping bombs on a prison to rescue their colleagues.

what a sorry ass state of the world when religion/oil/money/control are being used as a pretext for wars. everyone must create their own utopia and peace. because your religion, government, etc., can not... [/color]

Meadish what the crap are you on about here................the 2 soldiers where undercover sas trying to eliminate a gun running route that was being undertaken with elements of the iraqy police force when they were captured and turned over to the milita.......and the british army rescued the troopers without dropping any bombs against a huge crowd of armed people throwing petrol bombs........but i do kinda of agree with the rest just dont slate the guys out there who are doing a sh#tty job.........slate the goverments

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"You were the ONLY passenger that managed to walk straight through to the departure lounge without walking through the detector, or having to put your "carry on" bags through the mandatory X ray machine? You're either a Troll or stupid, or both "

Carry-on bags were NOT SCANNED just two weeks ago when I departed Bangkok on Eva.  I didn't have any checked bags; just a carry-on and my laptop bag and NONE of it was inspected or scanned.

Who is the troll? :D

~WISteve

Carry on bags are not scanned on arrival at the check in counter, just checked baggage, however you will not pass the final screen before you board your flight without putting your mobile, keys etc in a tray, and having your carry on bags X- Rayed. This includes cabin crew. You beat the system huh? :D OK I'll believe you :D

Maybe the security is good in Thailand, but not in other countries that fly to Thailand. So, you could board a plane bound for Thailand and get just about whatever you wanted to onboard. I traveled all over Asia for a year and boarded many planes with my large Swiss army knife in my pocket. I just forgot it was there. :D

I think the main thing that worries me is Hambali was caught in Thailand a few years ago. You know for sure others are there also. That is scary...

How did you manage to board many planes and forget you had your Swiss army knife EVERY time? Are you a goldfish???? :o

Posted
When asked to elaborate on what kind of intelligence information had prompted the government’s reaction, Thaksin replied: “It’s not very clear but we have the situation under control.”

Does anyone else see a little bit of contradiction or confusion in that statement?  :D  :D 

“Geographically it may seem that the locations are far apart, but Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand are actually connected along sea routes.

Hmm.. and sticking with the PM's geography lesson... what countries of the world are NOT connected along sea routes to Thailand?... Gosh, you speak so intelligently Mr. T, we are filled with great confidence in you...  :D  :D  :o 

Though Thailand has been battling its own Muslim insurgents in the South, Thaksin has so far insisted that the violence in the deep South is an internal affair and has no connection with international terrorism. Yesterday’s statement was the closest Thaksin has come to linking the ongoing violence in the south to a broader network of radical elements outside the country.

OMIGOSH!!... could Mr. T be backpedalling on an issue?... "Say it ain't so, Joe"

While the PM insisted that everything was under control in the tourist spots

More confidence building.. Thanks Mr. T.... if you say it's safe, then it MUST be...

Fourth Army commander and director of the Southern Border Provinces Peace-Building Command, Lt-General Kwanchart Klaharn, said authorities have documented 1,884 cases of arson, shootings, bombings and other violence linked to the unrest which began in January 2004.

In a rare public report on the violence in the three Muslim-majority provinces, Kwanchart said Narathiwat had seen most of the violence.

“Narathiwat province has the most cases, at 912. Yala and Pattani come after with 511 and 461 cases respectively,” he said.

Most of the violence has taken the form of drive-by shootings, arson attacks and small bombings, which have claimed more than 1,000 lives.

Now if we could only get a stat sheet for government-generated violence versus civilian-generated violence, that might be most revealing.

Posted
"You were the ONLY passenger that managed to walk straight through to the departure lounge without walking through the detector, or having to put your "carry on" bags through the mandatory X ray machine? You're either a Troll or stupid, or both "

Carry-on bags were NOT SCANNED just two weeks ago when I departed Bangkok on Eva.  I didn't have any checked bags; just a carry-on and my laptop bag and NONE of it was inspected or scanned.

Who is the troll? :D

~WISteve

Carry on bags are not scanned on arrival at the check in counter, just checked baggage, however you will not pass the final screen before you board your flight without putting your mobile, keys etc in a tray, and having your carry on bags X- Rayed. This includes cabin crew. You beat the system huh? :D OK I'll believe you :D

Maybe the security is good in Thailand, but not in other countries that fly to Thailand. So, you could board a plane bound for Thailand and get just about whatever you wanted to onboard. I traveled all over Asia for a year and boarded many planes with my large Swiss army knife in my pocket. I just forgot it was there. :D

I think the main thing that worries me is Hambali was caught in Thailand a few years ago. You know for sure others are there also. That is scary...

How did you manage to board many planes and forget you had your Swiss army knife EVERY time? Are you a goldfish???? :o

No not a goldfish...I was just backpacking around and the Swiss army knife was something I always kept in either my pocket (one of those lower "flap" pockets on cargo pants) or in my day pack. I was always amazed when I would get to my hotel later that night and emptied my pockets to see it was in my cargo pocket. Honestly, I boarded 2 planes in Vietnam, one in Cambodia and I am pretty sure one on a small island in the Philippines. All of which could have connected with another plane to BKK without having to go through any metal detectors...

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