Rubber Trees

[jamescollister]

Scot, have no idea what a provincial rubber office is. We have private buyers, Co ops and 2 Government agencies that buy. Only the private buyers set a price on sale. The Government buyers pay the wholesale auction price minus costs and an adim charge. The Co ops take the rubber to a bigger auction and on sale the price is set.

We have had both Gov and private buyers saying high prices, but when you go they down grade the rubber to grade 5, so never pay the advertised price.

As I said you can only go on what you get in your hand. Jim

Jim,

Every province (growing rubber) has a rubber office! Try the transliteration here... OngKan Yang Para and ask where it is in (Korat??) or (Udon??) - the province you live in. Just got back to CM and will be going down the road literally 4 km to the "rubber office" in the morning to take pics. Perhaps your govt. buyers are not what they appear to be.

No one is ever who they say or try to appear to be, just the nature of the way things are done here. Jim

[scotbeve]

Scot, have no idea what a provincial rubber office is. We have private buyers, Co ops and 2 Government agencies that buy. Only the private buyers set a price on sale. The Government buyers pay the wholesale auction price minus costs and an adim charge. The Co ops take the rubber to a bigger auction and on sale the price is set.

We have had both Gov and private buyers saying high prices, but when you go they down grade the rubber to grade 5, so never pay the advertised price.

As I said you can only go on what you get in your hand. Jim

Jim,

Every province (growing rubber) has a rubber office! Try the transliteration here... OngKan Yang Para and ask where it is in (Korat??) or (Udon??) - the province you live in. Just got back to CM and will be going down the road literally 4 km to the "rubber office" in the morning to take pics. Perhaps your govt. buyers are not what they appear to be.

No one is ever who they say or try to appear to be, just the nature of the way things are done here. Jim

Jim,

Been here for 32 years and have only had problems with one ATM chaser. - that problem was solved quickly.... We've done most of the farming, construction, and property ventures that people can play within reason. All in all, we've either been lucky or they're (anyone wanting to cause us grief..) scared s_itless of my wife!!!

[David006]

David is that mats or kee yang?

if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang.......

it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!!

[jamescollister]

David is that mats or kee yang?

if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang.......

it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!!

Seems a cloud burst is waiting every time they tap. Lost another tapper today, just not enough rubber and very low prices. You can't blame them, out they go to tap and when they get some the price is so low that it does not justify the work.

It will be sticky rice for us before long. Jim

[Mosha]

David is that mats or kee yang?

if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang.......

it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!!

No it's not.

2 dry nights in Ranong then back to normal

[thaiguzzi]

Just sold at government auction today, wet cup, Udon province; 43.15 baht per kilo.

Going up...

Mike.

[jamescollister]

Chinese car sale are up on last year according to some agency and rubber futures have climbed on the futures market 4 days in a row,

Don't make much difference at the moment, as we are hardly getting any rubber. Things will pick up in October, wish I had the money to buy now and wait. Jim

[jamescollister]

David is that mats or kee yang?

if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang.......

it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!!

Seems a cloud burst is waiting every time they tap. Lost another tapper today, just not enough rubber and very low prices. You can't blame them, out they go to tap and when they get some the price is so low that it does not justify the work.

It will be sticky rice for us before long. Jim

Just hired 2 tappers from the village, they were day tappers. Meaning they were paid a wage for the tap, not a %. They sit and wait and have not worked in 10 days [rain]. They are not the type to head to BKK for work, so at least they will get to tap and get a %, rather than sit and wait for the plantation owner to call and hire them for a night.

Good for me I get 2 for the one that left. Now I am up to 8 plus one worker, need 3 more, but as we are doing a lot of cup, not sheet, because of rain. No hurry for workers.

Rubber futures market is bullish according to reports, looks like I may get through another year without the fear of having to find a job. Jim

[cobbler]

David is that mats or kee yang?

if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang.......

it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!!

Seems a cloud burst is waiting every time they tap. Lost another tapper today, just not enough rubber and very low prices. You can't blame them, out they go to tap and when they get some the price is so low that it does not justify the work.

It will be sticky rice for us before long. Jim

Just hired 2 tappers from the village, they were day tappers. Meaning they were paid a wage for the tap, not a %. They sit and wait and have not worked in 10 days [rain]. They are not the type to head to BKK for work, so at least they will get to tap and get a %, rather than sit and wait for the plantation owner to call and hire them for a night.

Good for me I get 2 for the one that left. Now I am up to 8 plus one worker, need 3 more, but as we are doing a lot of cup, not sheet, because of rain. No hurry for workers.

Rubber futures market is bullish according to reports, looks like I may get through another year without the fear of having to find a job. Jim

Are they all on the 100 rai?

Do you need them to run and collect yang if it starts raining?

Ho many trees does 1 person tap?

Does the same person collect the yang after they tap?

Or do you have seperate people collect?

Cheers Cobbler

[cobbler]

Sky's a funny colour, and there is a yellow UFO up there too.

Or maybe getting confused with the bamboo

[jamescollister]

No there are 4 plantations a family on each, but the biggest plantation had

2 families. They hire or have family who help out collecting and making sheet. Up to them, each is in charge of their own plot. The trees are theirs to take care of, I just take my percentage. They live on and off in the plantations. the problem is that they can not see the long term returns. When things are not good, like now they leave, they just don't see that in the long term they will be better off.

By the way the new tappers went off to tap and the rains have come, again. jim

[scotbeve]

No there are 4 plantations a family on each, but the biggest plantation had

2 families. They hire or have family who help out collecting and making sheet. Up to them, each is in charge of their own plot. The trees are theirs to take care of, I just take my percentage. They live on and off in the plantations. the problem is that they can not see the long term returns. When things are not good, like now they leave, they just don't see that in the long term they will be better off.

By the way the new tappers went off to tap and the rains have come, again. jim

Jim,

Have you thought of giving them retainers - a small monthly salary? Do you have any other agri-business they could tend to?

[jamescollister]

No there are 4 plantations a family on each, but the biggest plantation had

2 families. They hire or have family who help out collecting and making sheet. Up to them, each is in charge of their own plot. The trees are theirs to take care of, I just take my percentage. They live on and off in the plantations. the problem is that they can not see the long term returns. When things are not good, like now they leave, they just don't see that in the long term they will be better off.

By the way the new tappers went off to tap and the rains have come, again. jim

Jim,

Have you thought of giving them retainers - a small monthly salary? Do you have any other agri-business they could tend to?

Give them rice and food, soft loans in the down times, it's like many here, me included. Everyone spent on bikes and cars when things were good, but when things are bad the payments stay the same. No different than the west now, no work, better find a job or lose all you are worked for.

When the price rises again, will have people banging on the door looking for work. Jim

[scotbeve]

No there are 4 plantations a family on each, but the biggest plantation had 2 families. They hire or have family who help out collecting and making sheet. Up to them, each is in charge of their own plot. The trees are theirs to take care of, I just take my percentage. They live on and off in the plantations. the problem is that they can not see the long term returns. When things are not good, like now they leave, they just don't see that in the long term they will be better off. By the way the new tappers went off to tap and the rains have come, again. jim

Jim, Have you thought of giving them retainers - a small monthly salary? Do you have any other agri-business they could tend to?

Give them rice and food, soft loans in the down times, it's like many here, me included. Everyone spent on bikes and cars when things were good, but when things are bad the payments stay the same. No different than the west now, no work, better find a job or lose all you are worked for. When the price rises again, will have people banging on the door looking for work. Jim

Jim,

Yep.... patience is a virtue.... I've been subsidizing all our farm efforts for 25 yrs. at times of drought and famine....

[Mosha]

Can a few of y'all post the price you're getting for RSS ?

thx

Sold the harvest from the past few weeks, all 55 kg of it 75 Baht/kg RSS

[cobbler]

Can a few of y'all post the price you're getting for RSS ?

thx

Sold the harvest from the past few weeks, all 55 kg of it 75 Baht/kg RSS

Ouch

[Mosha]

My observations, We are at last years total rainfall figures, 2 wet months to go. Growing rubber in Ranong is a fools errand. It was never this wet when the rubber was maturing, but the last 18 months as left me thinking anywhere but here.

Come buying the fertilizer time, money is better spent on renewing my visa

Edited September 14, 2012 by Mosha

[jamescollister]

My observations, We are at last years total rainfall figures, 2 wet months to go. Growing rubber in Ranong is a fools errand. It was never this wet when the rubber was maturing, but the last 18 months as left me thinking anywhere but here.

Come buying the fertilizer time, money is better spent on renewing my visa

Nature of farming, good and bad times. If you can live through the bad, then you will be laughing all the way to the bank in the good. Jim

[Mosha]

Friends sold RSS at 80 baht.

[jamescollister]

Shanghai rubber futures hit limit up on Fed stimulus

TOKYO, Sept 14 (Reuters) – The key Shanghai rubber futures rose by their daily limit of 24,675 yuan per tonne early on Friday after the Federal Reserve launched a new stimulus programme for the U.S. economy.

The benchmark Tokyo Commodity Exchange rubber contract for February delivery earlier surged 5.8 percent or 14 yen to 255.6 yen per kg, the highest in two months. The contract was trading up 4.8 percent at 253.1 yen as of 0110 GMT. (Reporting by Yuko Inoue; Editing by Michael Watson)

[fezzy]

^{sold sun dried not very pretty sheet last week 70 baht}

[scotbeve]

Friends sold RSS at 80 baht.

Mosha,

RSS or USS?

[scotbeve]

Shanghai rubber futures hit limit up on Fed stimulus

TOKYO, Sept 14 (Reuters) – The key Shanghai rubber futures rose by their daily limit of 24,675 yuan per tonne early on Friday after the Federal Reserve launched a new stimulus programme for the U.S. economy.

The benchmark Tokyo Commodity Exchange rubber contract for February delivery earlier surged 5.8 percent or 14 yen to 255.6 yen per kg, the highest in two months. The contract was trading up 4.8 percent at 253.1 yen as of 0110 GMT. (Reporting by Yuko Inoue; Editing by Michael Watson)

A bit of the silver lining beginning to appear!!!

[Mosha]

Now all we need is some dry weather Scot

[Mosha]

Friends sold RSS at 80 baht.

Mosha,

RSS or USS?

What's USS Scot?

[scotbeve]

Friends sold RSS at 80 baht.

Mosha,

RSS or USS?

What's USS Scot?

Unsmoked sheets (sun dried) or yang pahn dip

Market price as of 14 Sept. folks: http://www.rubberthai.com/emag/test.php

[Mosha]

Friends sold RSS at 80 baht.

Mosha,

RSS or USS?

What's USS Scot?

Unsmoked sheets (sun dried) or yang pahn dip

Market price as of 14 Sept. folks: http://www.rubbertha...m/emag/test.php

Unsmoked, I don't know anyone round here smoking their rubber,

[Mosha]

Local weather forecaster AKA the wife, says it's the last day of the rain today. Local cynic AKA me, is laughing out loud. Rather dangerous as she hasn't called me to eat yet.

[scotbeve]

Friends sold RSS at 80 baht.

Mosha,

RSS or USS?

What's USS Scot?

Unsmoked sheets (sun dried) or yang pahn dip

Market price as of 14 Sept. folks: http://www.rubbertha...m/emag/test.php

Mosha,

Then, RSS is Ribbed Smoked Sheet. And I'm assuming that the folks around you are doing USS (sun-dried).

[Mosha]

OK thanks