jamescollister Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Scot, have no idea what a provincial rubber office is. We have private buyers, Co ops and 2 Government agencies that buy. Only the private buyers set a price on sale. The Government buyers pay the wholesale auction price minus costs and an adim charge. The Co ops take the rubber to a bigger auction and on sale the price is set. We have had both Gov and private buyers saying high prices, but when you go they down grade the rubber to grade 5, so never pay the advertised price. As I said you can only go on what you get in your hand. Jim Jim, Every province (growing rubber) has a rubber office! Try the transliteration here... OngKan Yang Para and ask where it is in (Korat??) or (Udon??) - the province you live in. Just got back to CM and will be going down the road literally 4 km to the "rubber office" in the morning to take pics. Perhaps your govt. buyers are not what they appear to be. No one is ever who they say or try to appear to be, just the nature of the way things are done here. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotbeve Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Scot, have no idea what a provincial rubber office is. We have private buyers, Co ops and 2 Government agencies that buy. Only the private buyers set a price on sale. The Government buyers pay the wholesale auction price minus costs and an adim charge. The Co ops take the rubber to a bigger auction and on sale the price is set. We have had both Gov and private buyers saying high prices, but when you go they down grade the rubber to grade 5, so never pay the advertised price. As I said you can only go on what you get in your hand. Jim Jim, Every province (growing rubber) has a rubber office! Try the transliteration here... OngKan Yang Para and ask where it is in (Korat??) or (Udon??) - the province you live in. Just got back to CM and will be going down the road literally 4 km to the "rubber office" in the morning to take pics. Perhaps your govt. buyers are not what they appear to be. No one is ever who they say or try to appear to be, just the nature of the way things are done here. Jim Jim, Been here for 32 years and have only had problems with one ATM chaser. - that problem was solved quickly.... We've done most of the farming, construction, and property ventures that people can play within reason. All in all, we've either been lucky or they're (anyone wanting to cause us grief..) scared s_itless of my wife!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David006 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 David is that mats or kee yang? if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang....... it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescollister Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 David is that mats or kee yang? if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang....... it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!! Seems a cloud burst is waiting every time they tap. Lost another tapper today, just not enough rubber and very low prices. You can't blame them, out they go to tap and when they get some the price is so low that it does not justify the work.It will be sticky rice for us before long. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 David is that mats or kee yang? if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang....... it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!! No it's not. 2 dry nights in Ranong then back to normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Just sold at government auction today, wet cup, Udon province; 43.15 baht per kilo. Going up... Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescollister Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Chinese car sale are up on last year according to some agency and rubber futures have climbed on the futures market 4 days in a row, Don't make much difference at the moment, as we are hardly getting any rubber. Things will pick up in October, wish I had the money to buy now and wait. Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescollister Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 David is that mats or kee yang? if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang....... it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!! Seems a cloud burst is waiting every time they tap. Lost another tapper today, just not enough rubber and very low prices. You can't blame them, out they go to tap and when they get some the price is so low that it does not justify the work.It will be sticky rice for us before long. Jim Just hired 2 tappers from the village, they were day tappers. Meaning they were paid a wage for the tap, not a %. They sit and wait and have not worked in 10 days [rain]. They are not the type to head to BKK for work, so at least they will get to tap and get a %, rather than sit and wait for the plantation owner to call and hire them for a night.Good for me I get 2 for the one that left. Now I am up to 8 plus one worker, need 3 more, but as we are doing a lot of cup, not sheet, because of rain. No hurry for workers. Rubber futures market is bullish according to reports, looks like I may get through another year without the fear of having to find a job. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbler Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 David is that mats or kee yang? if Kee yang is wet cup then kee yang....... it's peeing down again for two days now so who knows when we can cut or sell next ...bugger!!!!! Seems a cloud burst is waiting every time they tap. Lost another tapper today, just not enough rubber and very low prices. You can't blame them, out they go to tap and when they get some the price is so low that it does not justify the work.It will be sticky rice for us before long. Jim Just hired 2 tappers from the village, they were day tappers. Meaning they were paid a wage for the tap, not a %. They sit and wait and have not worked in 10 days [rain]. They are not the type to head to BKK for work, so at least they will get to tap and get a %, rather than sit and wait for the plantation owner to call and hire them for a night.Good for me I get 2 for the one that left. Now I am up to 8 plus one worker, need 3 more, but as we are doing a lot of cup, not sheet, because of rain. No hurry for workers. Rubber futures market is bullish according to reports, looks like I may get through another year without the fear of having to find a job. Jim Are they all on the 100 rai?Do you need them to run and collect yang if it starts raining? Ho many trees does 1 person tap? Does the same person collect the yang after they tap? Or do you have seperate people collect? Cheers Cobbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbler Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Sky's a funny colour, and there is a yellow UFO up there too. Or maybe getting confused with the bamboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescollister Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 No there are 4 plantations a family on each, but the biggest plantation had 2 families. They hire or have family who help out collecting and making sheet. Up to them, each is in charge of their own plot. The trees are theirs to take care of, I just take my percentage. They live on and off in the plantations. the problem is that they can not see the long term returns. When things are not good, like now they leave, they just don't see that in the long term they will be better off. By the way the new tappers went off to tap and the rains have come, again. jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotbeve Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 No there are 4 plantations a family on each, but the biggest plantation had 2 families. They hire or have family who help out collecting and making sheet. Up to them, each is in charge of their own plot. The trees are theirs to take care of, I just take my percentage. They live on and off in the plantations. the problem is that they can not see the long term returns. When things are not good, like now they leave, they just don't see that in the long term they will be better off. By the way the new tappers went off to tap and the rains have come, again. jim Jim, Have you thought of giving them retainers - a small monthly salary? Do you have any other agri-business they could tend to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescollister Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 No there are 4 plantations a family on each, but the biggest plantation had 2 families. They hire or have family who help out collecting and making sheet. Up to them, each is in charge of their own plot. The trees are theirs to take care of, I just take my percentage. They live on and off in the plantations. the problem is that they can not see the long term returns. When things are not good, like now they leave, they just don't see that in the long term they will be better off. By the way the new tappers went off to tap and the rains have come, again. jim Jim, Have you thought of giving them retainers - a small monthly salary? Do you have any other agri-business they could tend to? Give them rice and food, soft loans in the down times, it's like many here, me included. Everyone spent on bikes and cars when things were good, but when things are bad the payments stay the same. No different than the west now, no work, better find a job or lose all you are worked for.When the price rises again, will have people banging on the door looking for work. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotbeve Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 No there are 4 plantations a family on each, but the biggest plantation had 2 families. They hire or have family who help out collecting and making sheet. Up to them, each is in charge of their own plot. The trees are theirs to take care of, I just take my percentage. They live on and off in the plantations. the problem is that they can not see the long term returns. When things are not good, like now they leave, they just don't see that in the long term they will be better off. By the way the new tappers went off to tap and the rains have come, again. jim Jim, Have you thought of giving them retainers - a small monthly salary? Do you have any other agri-business they could tend to? Give them rice and food, soft loans in the down times, it's like many here, me included. Everyone spent on bikes and cars when things were good, but when things are bad the payments stay the same. No different than the west now, no work, better find a job or lose all you are worked for. When the price rises again, will have people banging on the door looking for work. Jim Jim, Yep.... patience is a virtue.... I've been subsidizing all our farm efforts for 25 yrs. at times of drought and famine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Can a few of y'all post the price you're getting for RSS ? thx Sold the harvest from the past few weeks, all 55 kg of it 75 Baht/kg RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbler Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Can a few of y'all post the price you're getting for RSS ? thx Sold the harvest from the past few weeks, all 55 kg of it 75 Baht/kg RSS Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) My observations, We are at last years total rainfall figures, 2 wet months to go. Growing rubber in Ranong is a fools errand. It was never this wet when the rubber was maturing, but the last 18 months as left me thinking anywhere but here. Come buying the fertilizer time, money is better spent on renewing my visa Edited September 14, 2012 by Mosha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescollister Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 My observations, We are at last years total rainfall figures, 2 wet months to go. Growing rubber in Ranong is a fools errand. It was never this wet when the rubber was maturing, but the last 18 months as left me thinking anywhere but here. Come buying the fertilizer time, money is better spent on renewing my visa Nature of farming, good and bad times. If you can live through the bad, then you will be laughing all the way to the bank in the good. Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Friends sold RSS at 80 baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescollister Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Shanghai rubber futures hit limit up on Fed stimulus TOKYO, Sept 14 (Reuters) – The key Shanghai rubber futures rose by their daily limit of 24,675 yuan per tonne early on Friday after the Federal Reserve launched a new stimulus programme for the U.S. economy. The benchmark Tokyo Commodity Exchange rubber contract for February delivery earlier surged 5.8 percent or 14 yen to 255.6 yen per kg, the highest in two months. The contract was trading up 4.8 percent at 253.1 yen as of 0110 GMT. (Reporting by Yuko Inoue; Editing by Michael Watson) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezzy Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 sold sun dried not very pretty sheet last week 70 baht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotbeve Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Friends sold RSS at 80 baht. Mosha, RSS or USS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotbeve Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Shanghai rubber futures hit limit up on Fed stimulus TOKYO, Sept 14 (Reuters) – The key Shanghai rubber futures rose by their daily limit of 24,675 yuan per tonne early on Friday after the Federal Reserve launched a new stimulus programme for the U.S. economy. The benchmark Tokyo Commodity Exchange rubber contract for February delivery earlier surged 5.8 percent or 14 yen to 255.6 yen per kg, the highest in two months. The contract was trading up 4.8 percent at 253.1 yen as of 0110 GMT. (Reporting by Yuko Inoue; Editing by Michael Watson) A bit of the silver lining beginning to appear!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Now all we need is some dry weather Scot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Friends sold RSS at 80 baht. Mosha, RSS or USS? What's USS Scot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotbeve Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Friends sold RSS at 80 baht. Mosha, RSS or USS? What's USS Scot? Unsmoked sheets (sun dried) or yang pahn dip Market price as of 14 Sept. folks: http://www.rubberthai.com/emag/test.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Friends sold RSS at 80 baht. Mosha, RSS or USS? What's USS Scot? Unsmoked sheets (sun dried) or yang pahn dip Market price as of 14 Sept. folks: http://www.rubbertha...m/emag/test.php Unsmoked, I don't know anyone round here smoking their rubber, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Local weather forecaster AKA the wife, says it's the last day of the rain today. Local cynic AKA me, is laughing out loud. Rather dangerous as she hasn't called me to eat yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotbeve Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Friends sold RSS at 80 baht. Mosha, RSS or USS? What's USS Scot? Unsmoked sheets (sun dried) or yang pahn dip Market price as of 14 Sept. folks: http://www.rubbertha...m/emag/test.php Mosha, Then, RSS is Ribbed Smoked Sheet. And I'm assuming that the folks around you are doing USS (sun-dried). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 OK thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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