JohnAllan Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Well light the torches and rampage, the mouth is silenced. Hard to believe, but then again he knew no sense of moderation and hung himself on his own petard. So one other, Nisit wit, goes with him, and so far other less vitreous voices are still free. Will this be the good excuse for reds to go over the edge? If so then most Thais will notice and vote accordingly. This thread will no doubt fill up to the brim with New Members.... and all with similar lines of... ac cc chemmm, thought. Where did you go to school? I was going for vituperous, but the spell checker when for brittle, transparent and shiny vs berating. Home schooled in a goat herds yurt on the steps of the Appalachian mountains. Or not. He was evidently looking for vitriolic . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Two Red-shirt Leaders Jailed after Bail Revoked The court has revoked bail for two red-shirt leaders for their controversial speeches about the Monarchy during a political rally last month. The court also refused new bail for the pair as requested by their lawyer after today's ruling. The Criminal Court ordered revocation of bail for two red-shirt leaders Jatuporn Prompan, also Pheu Thai party-list MP, and Nisit Sinthuprai, over their speeches critical of the Monarchy during the red-shirt rally on April 10. The court reasoned their remarks could confuse the general public and lead to chaos or pose as a severe threat to national security. After hearing the verdict, Jatuporn, with a worried look on his face, declined to give any opinion before entering a detention room at the court. The pair's lawyer appealed against the ruling and increased bond amount from 600,000 baht to one million baht for their temporary release. The court later declined bail for the pair after their lawyer filed another request for their temporary release after this morning's verdict. The court reasoned that Jatuporn and Nisit may commit other wrongdoings if they were released, pending trial. The court dismissed the bail withdrawal request against seven other red-shirt leaders who showed up on the April 10 rally stage given the evidence was not adequate to prove they violated bail conditions. After the ruling, the court delivered Jatuporn and Nisit to officials of the Corrections Department for further detention at the Bangkok Remand Prison. They have been put in separate confinement zones and refused visit for the first five days. Jatuporn said he is not worried and he accepted the court's decision. However, he has already assigned his legal team to file another bail request and launch an appeal. He also reaffirmed that the red-shirt movement will prevail as supporters are still backing the group. Jatuporn revealed there have been no talks with the Pheu Thai Party since his bail was withdrawn, but he is still a Pheu Thai MP candidate as the case is not finalized. However, Jatuporn said the decision will rest with the party. About 100 red-shirt supporters turned up at the courthouse today to give Jatuporn and other red-shirt leaders moral support. Some of them cried after hearing the court's ruling, while others tried to block the exit to prevent the prison van from bringing Jatuporn and Nisit to the Bangkok Remand Prison. -- Tan Network 2011-05-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAllan Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Apparently his comments "might cause confusion among people which could create trouble in the country" in the opinion of a judge, which apparently is enough to have your bail revoked or presumably, if you weren't on bail in the first place, enough to put you in jail........... To be specific, it was enough to have k. Jatuporn's bail revoked. Keep in mind that this illustrious gentleman would be fighting a few charges had he not used his parliamentary immunity for the last year(s). Any other person might already have been tried and found guilty / not guilty. Just putting things in perspective Perhaps now that he is confined, they could take a look at this... NNT - May 18, 2006 TRT Deputy Spokesman denies involvement in a rape case Thai Rak Thai Party Deputy Spokesman Jatuporn Prompan denies he used to be sued in the Criminal Court for alleged rape. http://thainews.prd....id=254905170037 Used to be sued? Sounds as if it were a regular thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Apparently his comments "might cause confusion among people which could create trouble in the country" in the opinion of a judge, which apparently is enough to have your bail revoked or presumably, if you weren't on bail in the first place, enough to put you in jail........... To be specific, it was enough to have k. Jatuporn's bail revoked. Keep in mind that this illustrious gentleman would be fighting a few charges had he not used his parliamentary immunity for the last year(s). Any other person might already have been tried and found guilty / not guilty. Just putting things in perspective Yes, took a long time didn't it, with all those other bail revocation requests being turned down, and just before an election too, you'd have thought he'd have been banged to rights way before now. As far as I understand a case may not proceed as long as the person charged can claim immunity. To refer to 'just before election to' is twisting things a wee bit. Some relates to k. Jatuporn's remarks on April 10th this year while still under immunity and out on bail, with just this week the House having been dissolved and he losing his immunity. While still being MP it's highly unlikely bail would have been revoked and if than he would more-or-less automatically be granted bail again laying claim on his parliamentary immunity. Had he waived his right to immunity first time he was charged (2009?) he might have been cleared of that charge already. And he can no longer put up his high and exalted position as an MP as extenuating surety for his bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 WhyB --- I thought Jatuporn was in fact a constituency MP (Udon Thani) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 He maybe party list he maybe constituency, he maybe the easter bunny, but he surely is a hardcore recidivist, with no respect for the laws that don't benefit him, even by Thai standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Back in 06, million baht slander lawsuits may not of come into vogue as they seem to have, today. Then again, this is one of those charges (rape) that many times seems to be handled with cash payments to those concerned, thus the accused slithers away. The man does have a knack for being at the wrong place at the right time to have so many accusations thrown at him. His new accommodation is probably a good place for him, now if those like him and his leader will take note, the political clean up could began. Probably wishful thinking, on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 WhyB --- I thought Jatuporn was in fact a constituency MP (Udon Thani) http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/02/17/national/Sombats-popular-vote-proposal-draws-ire-30148909.html Pheu Thai party-list MP Jatuporn Promphan cried foul over Sombat's proposals. http://www.demotix.com/news/546087/thai-mp-banned-political-gatherings-and-media-interviews Mr Jatuporn was one of the three key leaders of this years UDD ‘Red Shirt’ anti-government protest movement alongside Natthawut Saikua and Veera Musikhapong. He is also a Member of Parliament for the Puea Thai [Opposition] Party, representing the Udon Thani Whichian Kaokham constituency. I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Well light the torches and rampage, the mouth is silenced. Hard to believe, but then again he knew no sense of moderation and hung himself on his own petard. So one other, Nisit wit, goes with him, and so far other less vitreous voices are still free. Will this be the good excuse for reds to go over the edge? If so then most Thais will notice and vote accordingly. This thread will no doubt fill up to the brim with New Members.... and all with similar lines of... ac cc chemmm, thought. Where did you go to school? I was going for vituperous, but the spell checker when for brittle, transparent and shiny vs berating. Home schooled in a goat herds yurt on the steps of the Appalachian mountains. Or not. I thought so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maewrocks Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 A clever move by the reds/ PT. Timing is perfect to show up the govt. as not allowing the opposition a voice. Will certainly be good for a few 10's of thousands of votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Red-shirt Leaders under Watch as Peers Jailed The Department of Special Investigation's chief warns red-shirt leaders against violating their bail conditions after the court ordered the withdrawal of bail for two ot them. Director general of the Department of Special Investigation, or DSI, Tharit Pengdit said the bail withdrawal petition against red-shirt core leader Jatuporn Prompan and his associates was made within the scope of its duties. Tharit said he did not regard the court's revocation of bail for Jatuporn and another red-shirt leader Nisit Sintuprai an achievement for his agency. Tharit then said the DSI will keep a close watch on the movement of seven other red-shirt leaders who were spared from the court's bail revocation order and cautioned them against violating their bail conditions. The DSI chief went on to say his agency's s investigation into related anti-monarchy cases is nearly completed, but public prosecutors suggested additional examination. Tharit said he will hold a meeting with investigators in charge of the cases next week and order 18 suspects to report to the department for further legal proceeding. He said the bail revocation ruling will be included in the deliberation. Meanwhile, a score of pink-shirt people showed up at the DSI headquarters to express their support for Tharit for seeking the removal of bail granted to red-shirt leaders. -- Tan Network 2011-05-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geovalin Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulmercke Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 All photos courtesy of Khao Sod newspaper http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNd05URTRNRGMwTnc9PQ==§ionid= Could some journalist out there please please please interview the woman wearing that "wikileaks" shirt one-on-one for opinions on Assange and his uneasy relationship with the media...? Or is she wearing it because she was told to? /edit to add - stupid tossers. Hi Insight. Don't quite get the "stupid tossers" bit. Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 A clever move by the reds/ PT. Timing is perfect to show up the govt. as not allowing the opposition a voice. Will certainly be good for a few 10's of thousands of votes. Nothing to do with PTP or red-shirts, it's that British oppressor PM Abhisit who seems to be a closetted red-shirter! He sought Royal agreement to dissolve the House. Because of that k. Jatuporn lost his parliamentary immunity, k. Nisit is just a (minor) UDD leader who seems to have had a big mouth during the April 10th rally. I feel a bit aggrieved that while others are out in the sticks campaigning, k. Jatuporn is on a government sponsored diet program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. If you watched the April 10th red rally on TV you'd know what was said. The opposition has plenty of voice here ... they AND the government are both not allowed to discuss some people/institutions .... If you remember even PTP top brass expressed disapproval and some left the PTP because of what Jatuporn was on about and the close ties between UDD/PTP/Thaksin. Edited May 12, 2011 by jdinasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. Not sure what this has to do with revoking bail ? K. Jatuporn would probably still in jail since May last year if not for his parliamentary immunity, that gift from a democracy which was NOT revoked ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 You just know the Reds/UTT/PTP are going to "spin" this any/every which way they can to make it look like Dems/Military are doing all they can to "silence" the opposition just prior to an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 He maybe party list he maybe constituency, he maybe the easter bunny, but he surely is a hardcore recidivist, with no respect for the laws that don't benefit him, even by Thai standards He is absolutely where he belongs. I am hoping they deny bail until his trial on the APril 10th 2011 charges (should be a fast and easy court case!) Then he can wait in jail until the AG is ready to push the terrorism charges through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokeddy Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 All photos courtesy of Khao Sod newspaper http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNd05URTRNRGMwTnc9PQ==§ionid= Could some journalist out there please please please interview the woman wearing that "wikileaks" shirt one-on-one for opinions on Assange and his uneasy relationship with the media...? Or is she wearing it because she was told to? /edit to add - stupid tossers. Hi Insight. Don't quite get the "stupid tossers" bit. Please explain. Some Journalist out there should interview 'Insight' one-on-one for opinions on stupid tossers, Jatuporns bail and what the thai words on the T-shirt say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTumTiger Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Bwhahahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokeddy Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Without the jail story he wouldn't be allover the news on Thai TV today. Nothing about Yingluck, but Jatuporn is in the news like seldom before. Edited May 12, 2011 by bangkokeddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 You just know the Reds/UTT/PTP are going to "spin" this any/every which way they can to make it look like Dems/Military are doing all they can to "silence" the opposition just prior to an election. Hard to spin it that way when Weng and the rest are still free to run their mouths The other take on it for less reactionary people, is that finally Jatuporn is in jail which he had ducked so far. Many non-aligned people remember well Jatuporn's incitements to violence... nothing would change the redshirt voter's minds but this could well be a boost to those that oppose the reds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamer Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Agreed. But then again that is why Thailand is not a functioning democracy. Reason for edit. Post to which I referred has been removed. Edited May 12, 2011 by roamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. In most civilized countries, you are not allowed to raise false alarms (shout "fire"in a theatre), you are not allowed hate speech denigrating a persons race, religion or sexual orientation, you are not allowed to slander, so there are limits to free speech. Thailand has lese majesty laws, which have been in place for many years, and have not been put in place by the current government - if you choose to break them, then you will face consequences. Then take a person who faces terrorism charges but is on bail because of his political immunity (which no longer exists) who faces further charges while breaking his bail conditions. How does his jailing relate to free speech? Hid red shirt aim was for an election, this has arrived, but it ends his immunity. Be careful what you wish for........... And exactly how "free" is Aung San Suu Kyi? Can she leave the country, or make a speech denigrating Myanmar's leaders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 A clever move by the reds/ PT. Timing is perfect to show up the govt. as not allowing the opposition a voice. Will certainly be good for a few 10's of thousands of votes. really clever Maewrocks, what a strategy! Jatuporn spouts LM, then gets his bail revoked having lost his parliamentary privileges and finishes up in jail it should be such an obvious vote winner , then why apply for bail? now lets discuss whats actually worth the most votes with the Thai people? someone who abuses the king or the courts/government bringing the man who did it to face justice i love the king and i know which i prefer, whether the abuser is red, yellow or otherwise Jatuporn is 41 years old and is verbally attacking an almost permanently, hospitalized man of 83 years for that alone, and any royalty/LM issues aside, he is morally bereft man that deserves no place in polite society never mind in parliament........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokeddy Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 You just know the Reds/UTT/PTP are going to "spin" this any/every which way they can to make it look like Dems/Military are doing all they can to "silence" the opposition just prior to an election. Hard to spin it that way when Weng and the rest are still free to run their mouths The other take on it for less reactionary people, is that finally Jatuporn is in jail which he had ducked so far. Many non-aligned people remember well Jatuporn's incitements to violence... nothing would change the redshirt voter's minds but this could well be a boost to those that oppose the reds. Exactly. Many non-aligned people will see it as a boost for the state of democracy in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lungmi Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 In Germany we have teh I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. In Germany we have the right for FREE SPEECH. Excluded are Neo-Nazi speech, Bin Laden addicted propaganda, and speeches calling for BREACHING the PEACE. Where do you put Jatuporn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Well light the torches and rampage, the mouth is silenced. Hard to believe, but then again he knew no sense of moderation and hung himself on his own petard. So one other, Nisit wit, goes with him, and so far other less vitreous voices are still free. Will this be the good excuse for reds to go over the edge? If so then most Thais will notice and vote accordingly. This thread will no doubt fill up to the brim with New Members.... and all with similar lines of... ac cc chemmm, thought. Where did you go to school? he didn't welcome red newbie, back as a re-run? or a genuine newcomer who wanted to wave a red flag? either way, i see you have dived straight in to the political fray and ignored the hundreds of other fascinating non political posts on Thaivisa welcome anyway, you have made it clear in your first post, why you are here.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 All photos courtesy of Khao Sod newspaper http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNd05URTRNRGMwTnc9PQ==§ionid= Could some journalist out there please please please interview the woman wearing that "wikileaks" shirt one-on-one for opinions on Assange and his uneasy relationship with the media...? Or is she wearing it because she was told to? /edit to add - stupid tossers. Hi Insight. Don't quite get the "stupid tossers" bit. Please explain. Some Journalist out there should interview 'Insight' one-on-one for opinions on stupid tossers, Jatuporns bail and what the thai words on the T-shirt say. Strange that Insight can call people he doesn't know 'stupid tossers' but if anyone - having had the dubious benefit of reading this individual's self-penned personal opinions first - calls Insight a 'stupid tosser' as a result, then that is not considered cricket. Etiquette is a curious thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Bail revoked for two reds, Jatuporn and Nisit By The Nation The Criminal Court on Thursday ruled to send two red-shirt leaders, Jatuporn Promphan and Nisit Sinthuprai, back to the remand cell on grounds for violating their bail condition. So long, boys! Don't get your suits wrinkled. Jatuporn Promphan and Nisit Sinthuprai Meanwhile... outside at the time... All photos courtesy of Khao Sod newspaper http://www.khaosod.c...PQ==§ionid= i think i would rather be in jail than have these folks as my groupies............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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