bangkokeddy Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 In Germany we have teh I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. In Germany we have the right for FREE SPEECH. Excluded are Neo-Nazi speech, Bin Laden addicted propaganda, and speeches calling for BREACHING the PEACE. Where do you put Jatuporn? Probably not in the same league as Neo-nazis or Osama bin Laden. Btw. How the Germans call their participation in the war in Afghanistan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somo Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Just another example of the lack of free speach in Thailand. First - you can have bail as long as you don't say anything controversial. Oops - We heard that, go back to jail. It seems no one here likes him but crikey trying to lock him up for saying a few things is just stupid and plays into the hands of those saying they are fighting for freedom. He'll get more votes than ever now and rightly so. This fear of free speach says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnehaha Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 wasn't he quoted in todays paper in an article on his dining at same restaurant as Korn the finance MP? one of his quips on facebook in their exchange as documented in BPost article was "I love and miss my Red Shirt Friends. Lets set the place on fire!!" Since it was on FB can it not be used if and when he ever goes to court? I could be mistaken - it could have been Nuttawut. Please correct me if I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Why does the Government keep "PLAYING" this silly game, what a crock of Bull_shish a 41 year old loudmouth thinks its smart to badmouth a hospitalized 83 year old man any other issues aside, he is a morally bereft, disrespectful arsehol_e and he deserves to be where he is the longer the better........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude007 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Jatuporn and Nisit brought to Klongprem prison for detention but lawyer submitting another bail for them with higher bond /TAN_Network If court process takes the rest of the day, Jatuporn and Nisit may have to spend several days in jail as Fri-Tues are public holidays /TAN_Network Never heard that bail is related to the amount of bond... If you're refused bail, it doesn't matter how much the bond is.... But here everything is possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokeddy Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Bail revoked for two reds, Jatuporn and Nisit By The Nation The Criminal Court on Thursday ruled to send two red-shirt leaders, Jatuporn Promphan and Nisit Sinthuprai, back to the remand cell on grounds for violating their bail condition. So long, boys! Don't get your suits wrinkled. Jatuporn Promphan and Nisit Sinthuprai Meanwhile... outside at the time... All photos courtesy of Khao Sod newspaper http://www.khaosod.c...PQ==§ionid= i think i would rather be in jail than have these folks as my groupies............ He is for 'words' in jail not for 'looks'. Please don't start to post pictures of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. In most countries, there are still lines you don't cross with FREE SPEECH. Incitement to riot, incitement to commit murder will land you in jail in many western countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude007 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Taksin mouthpiece is shut for a certain time... But as long as the Taksin wallet remains open there is "red" hope... Be prepared for another siege at 2000 THB/day and nice camp-fire after the two months rally, perhaps this time Paragon... (burns better)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Bail revoked for two reds, Jatuporn and Nisit By The Nation The Criminal Court on Thursday ruled to send two red-shirt leaders, Jatuporn Promphan and Nisit Sinthuprai, back to the remand cell on grounds for violating their bail condition. So long, boys! Don't get your suits wrinkled. Jatuporn Promphan and Nisit Sinthuprai Meanwhile... outside at the time... All photos courtesy of Khao Sod newspaper http://www.khaosod.c...PQ==§ionid= i think i would rather be in jail than have these folks as my groupies............ He is for 'words' in jail not for 'looks'. Please don't start to post pictures of yourself. thanks beddy i know he is in jail for badmouthing a hospitalized 83 year old man and there he should stay i did post pictures of myself as an Avatar but the mods said that other members had found them offensive and they removed them i don't blame them either ................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. In most countries, there are still lines you don't cross with FREE SPEECH. Incitement to riot, incitement to commit murder will land you in jail in many western countries. far less than that in UK simply shouting insults in certain situations will see you in the hands of the boys in blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geovalin Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. The opposition has plenty of voice here ... they AND the government are both not allowed to discuss some people/institutions .... So, you confirm there is NO FREE SPEECH in Thailand. And probably there is FREE SPEECH in YOUR country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. The opposition has plenty of voice here ... they AND the government are both not allowed to discuss some people/institutions .... So, you confirm there is NO FREE SPEECH in Thailand. And probably there is FREE SPEECH in YOUR country. there is free speech in my country its so free in fact that the muslim cleric Andy Choudary said that in 25 years all of Uk will be Islamic he said if the Queen would not convert to Islam she would have to leave the country as they planned to convert Buckingham palace to a Mosque his group burned red poppys on Armistice day and screamed at grieving families, they were happy UK soldiers were dying for the killing of muslims is this really the free speech that my forefathers fought for ? does anyone really think they had this in mind? i don't and i for one would welcome a restriction in UK on hate speech dressed up as free speech, whatever the perceived cost to society may be ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Just another example of the lack of free speach in Thailand. First - you can have bail as long as you don't say anything controversial. Oops - We heard that, go back to jail. It seems no one here likes him but crikey trying to lock him up for saying a few things is just stupid and plays into the hands of those saying they are fighting for freedom. He'll get more votes than ever now and rightly so. This fear of free speach says it all. Jatuporn is a 41 year old loudmouth who thinks its smart to badmouth a hospitalized 83 year old man any other issues aside, he is a morally bereft, disrespectful arsehol_e and he deserves to be exactly where he is the longer the better and to anyone who thinks that its OK to do that, in my opinion deserves to be in there with him.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. The opposition has plenty of voice here ... they AND the government are both not allowed to discuss some people/institutions .... So, you confirm there is NO FREE SPEECH in Thailand. And probably there is FREE SPEECH in YOUR country. I think you need to go back and read what was written. My unaltered post follows.... If you watched the April 10th red rally on TV you'd know what was said. The opposition has plenty of voice here ... they AND the government are both not allowed to discuss some people/institutions .... If you remember even PTP top brass expressed disapproval and some left the PTP because of what Jatuporn was on about and the close ties between UDD/PTP/Thaksin. There is a simple fact that even your all CAPS won't get around ... there is no right of absolute free speech anywhere. The opposition has a voice here. They are not allowed to violate the LM laws, nor incite violence. If you think there is 'free speech" in your country please get on a stage with thousands of riled up people around you and tell them to burn the capital down. If you want faster results, walk into an airport and start talking about the bomb you have with you ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Explains why Chavalit when white in the face over this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomeloseed Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Two guys who sorely hope T's sister will be the next PM ......and soooooon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I heard Jatuporn will be the first man in the history of prison life that no other prisoner wants to have sexually. One inmate woke up and saw Jatuporn and thought he was relocated to the zoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdimension Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Jatuporn and Nisit brought to Klongprem prison for detention but lawyer submitting another bail for them with higher bond /TAN_Network If court process takes the rest of the day, Jatuporn and Nisit may have to spend several days in jail as Fri-Tues are public holidays /TAN_Network Never heard that bail is related to the amount of bond... If you're refused bail, it doesn't matter how much the bond is.... But here everything is possible... 600k, 1M, then 2M THB. They seem to think throwing more money gets them out of trouble, Thaksin style. I wonder if the next offer is going to be 1B THB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Explains why Chavalit when white in the face over this.... Absolutely ... Chavalit wouldn't chose to be associated with what was implied on the stage on April 10th, 2011. A fact that the reds try to avoid ... the very fact that the ardent royalists in the PTP very distinctly distanced themselves from Jatuporn's comments (before charges were laid) and even Thaksin chimed in about it as it struck pretty close to what people openly accuse him of. I can only assume that some people either didn't watch the redshirt rally OR didn't understand what was being said if they are defending Jatuporn. Edited May 12, 2011 by jdinasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 UDD visits Jatuporn, Nisit in jail after bail revoked By Surapan Laotharanarit. BANGKOK, 12 May 2011 (NNT) – Members and supporters of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) have traveled to Bangkok Remand Prison to visit two core leaders, whose bail was recently withdrawn by the Court. UDD core leader Wiphuthalaeng Pattanaphumthai stated that members of the group as well as supporters, numbering over 300, had paid a visit to Mr Jatuporn Prompan and Mr Nisit Sinthuprai at Bangkok Remand Prison after the Criminal Court earlier in the day issued a verdict to revoke their bail. He said the UDD was extremely disappointed by such a ruling and claimed that it was in favor of the Government, which was trying to provoke the group to instigate chaos in the country in order to pave the way for the cancellation of the election. Another core leader Korkaew Pikulthong revealed that Mr Jatuporn was still in disbelief over his bail withdrawal although he affirmed his respect for the Court’s decision. In response to the case, the UDD is set to hold a meeting and a press conference tomorrow at Imperial Department Store Lat Phrao to declare the group’s next political direction. Mr Jatuporn and Mr Nisit were deprived of their temporary freedom on account of their improper references to the monarchy during the UDD rally at the Democracy Monument on 10 April. Seven other core leaders facing the same charge, however, were exempted by the Court for insufficient evidence. -- NNT 2011-05-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I heard Jatuporn will be the first man in the history of prison life that no other prisoner wants to have sexually. One inmate woke up and saw Jatuporn and thought he was relocated to the zoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdimension Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 expected to campaign from his cell. Just thinking of him blabbering and making faces and arm gestures behind bars makes me laugh. I was hoping that he would be Thaksin's chosen candidate for PM, it would have been two months of good entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Jatuporn and Nisit brought to Klongprem prison for detention but lawyer submitting another bail for them with higher bond /TAN_Network If court process takes the rest of the day, Jatuporn and Nisit may have to spend several days in jail as Fri-Tues are public holidays /TAN_Network Never heard that bail is related to the amount of bond... If you're refused bail, it doesn't matter how much the bond is.... But here everything is possible... 600k, 1M, then 2M THB. They seem to think throwing more money gets them out of trouble, Thaksin style. I wonder if the next offer is going to be 1B THB. maybe a few lunchboxes from Thaksin might make a difference........... Edited May 12, 2011 by timekeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 UDD visits Jatuporn, Nisit in jail after bail revoked By Surapan Laotharanarit. BANGKOK, 12 May 2011 (NNT) – Members and supporters of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) have traveled to Bangkok Remand Prison to visit two core leaders, whose bail was recently withdrawn by the Court. UDD core leader Wiphuthalaeng Pattanaphumthai stated that members of the group as well as supporters, numbering over 300, had paid a visit to Mr Jatuporn Prompan and Mr Nisit Sinthuprai at Bangkok Remand Prison after the Criminal Court earlier in the day issued a verdict to revoke their bail. He said the UDD was extremely disappointed by such a ruling and claimed that it was in favor of the Government, which was trying to provoke the group to instigate chaos in the country in order to pave the way for the cancellation of the election. Another core leader Korkaew Pikulthong revealed that Mr Jatuporn was still in disbelief over his bail withdrawal although he affirmed his respect for the Court's decision. In response to the case, the UDD is set to hold a meeting and a press conference tomorrow at Imperial Department Store Lat Phrao to declare the group's next political direction. Mr Jatuporn and Mr Nisit were deprived of their temporary freedom on account of their improper references to the monarchy during the UDD rally at the Democracy Monument on 10 April. Seven other core leaders facing the same charge, however, were exempted by the Court for insufficient evidence. -- NNT 2011-05-12 Question ----- are prisoners in BKK's remand prison really allowed 300 visitors in a day? If you went through simple screening (about 2 minutes per visitor) .... that would be 5 hours of screening alone ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdimension Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Explains why Chavalit when white in the face over this.... Absolutely ... Chavalit wouldn't chose to be associated with what was implied on the stage on April 10th, 2011. A fact that the reds try to avoid ... the very fact that the ardent royalists in the PTP very distinctly distanced themselves from Jatuporn's comments (before charges were laid) and even Thaksin chimed in about it as it struck pretty close to what people openly accuse him of. I can only assume that some people either didn't watch the redshirt rally OR didn't understand what was being said if they are defending Jatuporn. Did Chavalit ever state his reason for leaving Pheu Thai? He said he would make a public statement about it. If Jatuporn really did commit Lese Majeste, would it mean loss of votes for Pheu Thai? If most Thai people support the monarchy, and if the UDD were seen as being anti-monarchist, shouldn't the people immediately cease their support for the UDD and Thaksin, and therefore not vote for Pheu Thai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbaggie Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Anyone have a transcript of what he actually said during the rally, i'm curious to see it +I believe it was something along the lines of "go - burn it down tell them I sent you - tell them to come for me" Now they have - tell him to keep a bed warm for Thaksin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbaggie Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 ็็Jatuporn caused so much trouble to the society. He never learn to compromise nor listen to other reasoning. He can have some times to review his past deed/ karma behind bars now. Only your personal opinion. Not mine. Hes right - Not you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somo Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Just another example of the lack of free speach in Thailand. First - you can have bail as long as you don't say anything controversial. Oops - We heard that, go back to jail. It seems no one here likes him but crikey trying to lock him up for saying a few things is just stupid and plays into the hands of those saying they are fighting for freedom. He'll get more votes than ever now and rightly so. This fear of free speach says it all. Jatuporn is a 41 year old loudmouth who thinks its smart to badmouth a hospitalized 83 year old man any other issues aside, he is a morally bereft, disrespectful arsehol_e and he deserves to be exactly where he is the longer the better and to anyone who thinks that its OK to do that, in my opinion deserves to be in there with him.......... So if he was younger and in good health it would be ok then? The principle of free speach is surely extended to those you disagree with or it is meaningless. What you say about Jatuporn applies to most politicians. Would you put them all in jail? Your intolerance implies you are not in favour of democracy unless it suits you which makes you irelevant to any meaningful discussion on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Explains why Chavalit when white in the face over this.... Absolutely ... Chavalit wouldn't chose to be associated with what was implied on the stage on April 10th, 2011. A fact that the reds try to avoid ... the very fact that the ardent royalists in the PTP very distinctly distanced themselves from Jatuporn's comments (before charges were laid) and even Thaksin chimed in about it as it struck pretty close to what people openly accuse him of. I can only assume that some people either didn't watch the redshirt rally OR didn't understand what was being said if they are defending Jatuporn. Did Chavalit ever state his reason for leaving Pheu Thai? He said he would make a public statement about it. If Jatuporn really did commit Lese Majeste, would it mean loss of votes for Pheu Thai? If most Thai people support the monarchy, and if the UDD were seen as being anti-monarchist, shouldn't the people immediately cease their support for the UDD and Thaksin, and therefore not vote for Pheu Thai? The other BKK paper and phuketimes ran articles about "Chavalit leaves PTP" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbaggie Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm sorry but I'll not shout with the wolves. I dunno what this Jatu guy told, so it's difficult for all of us to have an opinion. Anyway, we are speaking about FREE SPEECH. Am I right? Do you consider that opposition should have a voice in your country (Australia, North America, Old Europe)? If yes, why should Thais be deprived of FREE SPEECH? D o you consider that they are not clever enough? Do you consider that the situations are sooooooooooo different? I don't think so. In our western countries also, the FREE SPEECH was not obvious in the past. We fought for that. I respect Thais fighting for that. Now, it does not mean that I agree with their speech. Even Aung San Suu Kyi is free now. The opposition has plenty of voice here ... they AND the government are both not allowed to discuss some people/institutions .... So, you confirm there is NO FREE SPEECH in Thailand. And probably there is FREE SPEECH in YOUR country. there is free speech in my country its so free in fact that the muslim cleric Andy Choudary said that in 25 years all of Uk will be Islamic he said if the Queen would not convert to Islam she would have to leave the country as they planned to convert Buckingham palace to a Mosque his group burned red poppys on Armistice day and screamed at grieving families, they were happy UK soldiers were dying for the killing of muslims is this really the free speech that my forefathers fought for ? does anyone really think they had this in mind? i don't and i for one would welcome a restriction in UK on hate speech dressed up as free speech, whatever the perceived cost to society may be ............. Spot on - but we only have our politically correct selves to blame in the UK - if we speak up against it we get branded as racist - something which personally I dont take as an insult any more than many Asians do. Id rather be branded racist than soft and stupid - Andy Choudhary should be put on a plane and flown to the North see and given a parachute - much as Philipenos I know were evicted from Kuwait in 2008 for complaining about their treatment by the Kuwaiti Government. I apologise if this is considered by some as going off topic but it is inevitable that freedom and treatment of rights will be discussed with a thread with a title like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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