Amnesty International Names Thailand's First 'Prisoner Of Conscience'

[animatic]

No true democracy has restrictions on freedom of speech

... And, since each country in this world has "restrictions" on freedom of speech, the conclusion is that there's no "true" democracy down there ?

One famous french humorist said "la dictature, c'est ferme-ta-gueule, la démocratie c'est cause-toujours"

(ie dictatorship is shut your mouth, democracy is you can talk since it is useless)

But, as a parody, I would like to ask the question of what is better between "false democracy" or "false dictatorship" ?:jap:

Would you care to name which particular countries have 'restrictions' on freedom of speech? I was showing a Thai friend some of the many conspiracy theories circulating Youtube and related to the US. He was aghast. He said 'But isn't Youtube American?' 'Yes, I replied, but we can say what we like in the West, not so here'.

I believe you are confusing 'restrictions' with 'defamation'. Of course if you are famous/wealthy enough, you have access to redress in Court. Not so here.

There's 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of though' which is not the same. Read up on both, wiki has some with the usual references to read even more.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Free_speech

http://en.wikipedia....edom_of_thought

http://en.wikipedia....eech_by_country

Please name one country where there is NO restriction on freedom of all speech?

[krangeek]

Please name one country where there is NO restriction on freedom of all speech?

England.

[housepainter]

The reason there are so few prisoners of conscience is the same as there are so few citizens of conscience.

When money is god and wealth by any means, usually crime, condoned, then what do you seriously expect? A society without morals, political movements without an ideology, a population without an education and a people without a voice delivers a corrupt and shiftless society in which greed runs riot along with corruption and crime.

Poverty is unchecked, the political system is bought and paid for, the state coffers are raided, money is syphoned off, the roads and railways remain in disrepair, there is no effective or responsive emergency service to call upon, the army threatens coup after coup after 50 year coup and the Police, as we all know, are to be avoided at all costs.

The latter expression being rather apt as the all costs would involve your being forced to empty your account on adaily basis via an ATM.

This happens.

The Thais themselves do not understand nor care about 'conscience; It is a concept they do without.

The 112 wanted assassins running amok up and down the country did not come about casually. They were bred by a society without accountability, where justice is circumvented by way of payment to both police and judiciary and where when it all finaly goes wrong for the farang they look to throw the key away.

Enjoy your corner of Paradise.

[krangeek]

The reason there are so few prisoners of conscience is the same as there are so few citizens of conscience.

When money is god and wealth by any means, usually crime, condoned, then what do you seriously expect? A society without morals, political movements without an ideology, a population without an education and a people without a voice delivers a corrupt and shiftless society in which greed runs riot along with corruption and crime.

Poverty is unchecked, the political system is bought and paid for, the state coffers are raided, money is syphoned off, the roads and railways remain in disrepair, there is no effective or responsive emergency service to call upon, the army threatens coup after coup after 50 year coup and the Police, as we all know, are to be avoided at all costs.

The latter expression being rather apt as the all costs would involve your being forced to empty your account on adaily basis via an ATM.

This happens.

The Thais themselves do not understand nor care about 'conscience; It is a concept they do without.

The 112 wanted assassins running amok up and down the country did not come about casually. They were bred by a society without accountability, where justice is circumvented by way of payment to both police and judiciary and where when it all finaly goes wrong for the farang they look to throw the key away.

Enjoy your corner of Paradise.

Well said housepainter. Money Is God here. And I've yet to meet anyone in a position of any 'social status/power', with any kind of conscience here. The concept is anathema to their mindset. 'We have money and couldn't give a flying one about you unless you can contribute to our already overflowing, coffers'. They make me sick.

I do however, count a number of mostly, powerless Thais, insofar as they have bugger all, amongst my very eclectic mix of friends.

[dunkin2012]

Please name one country where there is NO restriction on freedom of all speech?

England.

try China then

no facebook, no youtube, no google.com - only google.hk.............. and many more

but the country is the fast track of development, very fast

[animatic]

animatic:

Please name one country where there is NO restriction on freedom of all speech?

England.

Not really, in fact NO.

Nice try no sale.

http://en.wikipedia....#United_Kingdom

UK law imposes a number of limitations on freedom of speech not found in some other jurisdictions. For example, its laws recognise the crimes of incitement to racial hatred and incitement to religious hatred. UK laws on defamation are also considered among the strictest in the Western world, imposing a high burden of proof on the defendant.

Article 10: Freedom of Expression

(1) Everyone has the right of freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without inference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

(2) The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

Read more: Does England have laws protecting freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag...3#ixzz1MOmGW7wT

Edited May 15, 2011 by animatic

[krangeek]

I believe there's a world of difference between 'freedom of speech' and 'incitement to hatred'.

You a member of the KKK, BNP? Would you believe your right to freedom of speech include the name calling/incitement to burn down the houses of those you dislike? Based primarily on the government (of whatever stripe) propaganda machine that is mainstream media tells you you ought? Would you advocate holocaust deniers to be allowed a platform upon which to spread their views? Pedophiles/sex offenders, 'we can't help ourselves' air time?

If you don't know the difference. Shame on you and, please, do go educate yourself.

[Buchholz]

Please name one country where there is NO restriction on freedom of all speech?

England.

From rubl's links:

UK law imposes a number of limitations on freedom of speech not found in some other jurisdictions. For example, its laws recognise the crimes of incitement to racial hatred and incitement to religious hatred.

oh, and

[Buchholz]

Though I am an admirer of what Amnesty do I cannot help but think the Thai branch needs to put a bit more effort in if they are going to garner the publicity they require - for a start by making sure that their first prisoner of conscience is actually a prisoner since the OP suggests this guy is actually out on bail.

You are correct.

A reliable source, who personally knows the Rayong-based businessman, told The Nation that Wipas is out on bail

[whybother]

Please name one country where there is NO restriction on freedom of all speech?

England.

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia....#United_Kingdom

[thaihome]

The LM law is an interesting situation. I have no problem with the law perse, only that it seems to be being abused right now due to the political divisions in the country. Of course, since it is illegal to republish the material that led to an LM case, we never know the extent to which the accused mentioned above actually transgressed.

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Jutaporn’s speech is available on Youtube. You can decide yourself if what he said violated the LM laws. Some certainly considered that he did. One senior PTP leader resigned and formal LM charges were lodged.

Who would you say abused the LM laws? Jutaporn for making a questionable speech or the people that made the charges?

TH

[dunkin2012]

The LM law is an interesting situation. I have no problem with the law perse, only that it seems to be being abused right now due to the political divisions in the country. Of course, since it is illegal to republish the material that led to an LM case, we never know the extent to which the accused mentioned above actually transgressed.

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Jutaporn's speech is available on Youtube. You can decide yourself if what he said violated the LM laws. Some certainly considered that he did. One senior PTP leader resigned and formal LM charges were lodged.

Who would you say abused the LM laws? Jutaporn for making a questionable speech or the people that made the charges?

TH

and if English sub is given though.

[dunkin2012]

Morally, people can say anything. Power of the people.