Israel rejects U.S. call for 1967 borders

[Naam]

one for the road

Map with land of Israel with borders in red below representing the Royal Land Grant that God gave to Israel through the Abraham Covenant compared to what Israel actually has today in yellow on the map above it.

I wonder what would happen if the Jewish people suddenly woke up and realized they are being cheated out of all the land God has actually given them since the little sliver of land they are now living on is only a fraction of what is promised to them. And even that, the arabs and nations of the world are trying to steal the little fraction shown in yellow on the map, which is now Israel, little by little by waging terror war after war against the Jews and forcing a land for peace deal upon the Jews.

As indicated in an earlier post, this article will address how much land really belongs to the Jewish people; and in the end, a remnant of Jews will have all of what God promised to them in the Abraham Covenant, not just a sliver of land; and the arabs and the nations of the world will be punished severely by God for the way they have treated the Jewish people of Israel and around the world all of these years if they do not repent. So it is declared in the scriptures by God through his prophets,so shall it be.

http://www.zimbio.com/Christianity/articles/1260/How+Much+Land+God+Give+Israel+Abraham+Land

[kuffki]

Special for Samurai, since the other source was not creditable enough for you, how do you feel about a professor of Sociology and an Arab-Muslim culture specialist. Who has taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University, and Michigan State University and who also happens to be an Arab, hope this is good enough for you

Arabs Are Not Ready for Peace in the Middle East

Dr. Sami Alrabaa

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.4349/pub_detail.asp

Did Israeli Aggression or Arab Demagogy Provoke Gaza Attacks?

Dr. Sami Alrabaa

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2243/pub_detail.asp

[Ulysses G.]

it's always the same stupid arguments made in this forum..it doesn't matter that your opinion is that there was never a Palestine, despite the fact that in any pre-1948 map or newspaper the levant is refered to as 'Palestine'

Palestine was a geographical area - pretty much a desert - with very few people outside of Jerusalem which was dominated by Jews. No country. No "Palestinian" people.

That is why you can not answer any of the questions that apply to a real country. Name one "Palestinian leader" before Arafat and so on....

Why is there the need to have a "leader" to be recognize as "people"?

In other words there has never been an Arab country called Palestine or people called Palestinian (until some Arab immigrants started calling themselves that in 1967) and don't forget the other 10 unanswerable questions.

That kind of blows the Jews came in and stole the country Myth doesn't it.?

Edited May 21, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

I wonder what would happen if the Jewish people suddenly woke up and realized they are being cheated out of all the land God has actually given them...

They have already worked that out, but are willing to share to have peace. Too bad that their fanatical Islamic neighbors do not feel the same way.

Edited May 21, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[Orac]

it's always the same stupid arguments made in this forum..it doesn't matter that your opinion is that there was never a Palestine, despite the fact that in any pre-1948 map or newspaper the levant is refered to as 'Palestine'

Palestine was a geographical area - pretty much a desert - with very few people outside of Jerusalem which was dominated by Jews. No country. No "Palestinian" people.

That is why you can not answer any of the questions that apply to a real country. Name one "Palestinian leader" before Arafat and so on....

Why is there the need to have a "leader" to be recognize as "people"?

In other words there has never been an Arab country called Palestine or people called Palestinian (until some Arab immigrants started calling themselves that in 1967) and don't forget the other 10 unanswerable questions.

That kind of blows the Jews came in and stole the country Myth doesn't it.?

How about St George???

"Saint George was a Palestinian Christian"

from

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/23/hewasbornin

[kuffki]

Some more for you samurai

Uzi Submachine gun - invented by Uzi Gal. The development was completed in 1955.

Gabriel - a sea-skimming anti-ship missile.

Arrow - a family of operational anti-ballistic missiles. Jointly funded and produced by Israel and the United States.

Merkava tank - a tank optimized for crew survival and rapid repair of battle damage.

IAI Lavi - an ambitious Israeli production of a modern fighter aircraft. The production of the plane was carried out at Israel Aircraft Industries. The production of the plane was disbanded when the Israeli government concluded it could not finance production on its own.

Python - a family of air-to-air missiles (AAMs) built by the Israeli weapons manufacturer Rafael Advanced Defense Systems.

Unmanned aerial vehicles - an aircraft that flies without a human crew on board the aircraft. Their largest uses are in military applications. Developed by Israel Aircraft Industries.

Nautilus laser system - a laser developed for military use. Jointly funded and produced by Israel and the United States.

Iron Dome - a mobile air defense system in development by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems designed to intercept short-range rockets and artillery shells. On April 7, 2011, the system successfully intercepted a Grad rocket launched from Gaza, marking the first time in history a short-range rocket was ever intercepted.[4]

Barak - a surface-to-air missile designed to be used as a point-defense missile system on warships, defending against aircraft, anti-ship missiles, and UAVs. Jointly produced and developed by Rafael and Israel Aircraft Industries .

MUSIC (Multi Spectral Infrared Countermeasure) - a system that counter surface-to-air heat-seeking missiles. It is manufactured by Elbit Systems.

MagnoShocker - combines a metal detector and a taser which could be used to neutralized immediately a dangerous person. It was developed by the mathematician Amit Weissman and his colleagues Adir Kahn and Zvi Jordan.

Reconnaissance satellite TecSAR - developed and built by Israel Aerospace Industries.

Tavor TAR-21 assault rifle - a modern assault rifle designed with the aim to be used as the IDF's standard assault rifle. The rifle was the developed by "Magen", the small arms division of the Israel Military Industries (IMI). The development of Tavor was completed in 2001. In 2005 Magen was sold to the Israeli company Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) which continues to develop and produce the rifle. The MTAR-21 (Micro Tavor) was recently selected as the future assault rifle of the Israeli Defense Forces, and within the next few years it will become the standard Israeli infantry weapon.

Technion Satellite - launched into space in July 1998, it is one of the smallest satellites in the world. Cube-shaped satellite which has 45 centimeter-long sides and weighs 48 kilograms and has an extremely low power consumption. The Technion satellite began as a student project of the Faculty of Aerospace Engineering, supervised by Haim Eshed and initiated by Giora Shaviv, head of the Asher Space Research Institute (ASRI) at the Technion.

Wall radar - a unique radar which utilizes Ultra Wide Band (UWB) to allows users to see through walls. Developed by the Israeli company Camro.[5]

[Ulysses G.]

How about St George???

"Saint George was a Palestinian Christian"

That was the Jewish country that the Romans called Palestine way back in history. There has never been an Arab country with that name.

Edited May 21, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[powderpuff]

Here is the speech given by Barack the Deceiver where he tries to slip in the "pre 1967 borders ruse" Major gaffe.

To give him credit he says we won't be negotiating with Hamas. Well 1 out of 2 is pretty good mister president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfkKSxZqpEg&feature=related

[Orac]

How about St George???

"Saint George was a Palestinian Christian"

That was the Jewish country that the Romans called Palestine way back in history. There has never been an Arab country with that name.

How about Shakespeare

The Life and Death of King John: Scene II.1 "Richard, that robb'd the lion of his heart, and fought the holy wars in Palestine"

Othello Scene IV.3: "I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his [Lodovico's] nether lip."

Edited May 21, 2011 by Orac

[kuffki]

No star wars or matrix?

Who lived there and who ruled there?

n

How about St George???

"Saint George was a Palestinian Christian"

That was the Jewish country that the Romans called Palestine way back in history. There has never been an Arab country with that name.

How about Shakespeare

The Life and Death of King John: Scene II.1 "Richard, that robb'd the lion of his heart, and fought the holy wars in Palestine"

Othello Scene IV.3: "I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his [Lodovico's] nether lip."

[samurai]

Special for Samurai, since the other source was not creditable enough for you, how do you feel about a professor of Sociology and an Arab-Muslim culture specialist. Who has taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University, and Michigan State University and who also happens to be an Arab, hope this is good enough for you

Arabs Are Not Ready for Peace in the Middle East

Dr. Sami Alrabaa

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.4349/pub_detail.asp

Did Israeli Aggression or Arab Demagogy Provoke Gaza Attacks?

Dr. Sami Alrabaa

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2243/pub_detail.asp

Who is Dr. Sami Alrabaa?

Another media prankster? The Michigan State University doesn't know him.

http://search.msu.edu/people/index.php?q=Alrabaa%2C+sami

Is familysecuritymatters a reliable source?

Telling me that President Obama abandoned America, opened doors for the Muslim Brotherhood and threw Israel under the bus.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.9568/pub_detail.asp

Credibility or not, in the end that are all just one-sided opinions, with a strong bias(and not undeniable facts). I don't agree with them.

[Orac]

No star wars or matrix?

Who lived there and who ruled there?

n

How about St George???

"Saint George was a Palestinian Christian"

That was the Jewish country that the Romans called Palestine way back in history. There has never been an Arab country with that name.

How about Shakespeare

The Life and Death of King John: Scene II.1 "Richard, that robb'd the lion of his heart, and fought the holy wars in Palestine"

Othello Scene IV.3: "I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his [Lodovico's] nether lip."

Clearly Palestinians lived in Palestine. As for who ruled them it would depend on when you were refering to.

[samurai]

it's always the same stupid arguments made in this forum..it doesn't matter that your opinion is that there was never a Palestine, despite the fact that in any pre-1948 map or newspaper the levant is refered to as 'Palestine'

Palestine was a geographical area - pretty much a desert - with very few people outside of Jerusalem which was dominated by Jews. No country. No "Palestinian" people.

That is why you can not answer any of the questions that apply to a real country. Name one "Palestinian leader" before Arafat and so on....

Why is there the need to have a "leader" to be recognize as "people"?

In other words there has never been an Arab country called Palestine or people called Palestinian (until some Arab immigrants started calling themselves that in 1967) and don't forget the other 10 unanswerable questions.

That kind of blows the Jews came in and stole the country Myth doesn't it.?

No, that is not an answer to the question nor is it "In other words".

And don't bother to reply if you delete and ignore the other half of my post and my arguments.

[powderpuff]

I think Shakespeare's use of the word is referring to Jerusalem. In this wiki article I can not find the word "Palestine" mentioned once.

wiki

[koheesti]

Obama just lost the $upport of the Jewish community back home who were foolish enough to back him the first time around. I think he is trying to throw the election just so he can retire with all those cool presidential benefits before he is 52. Then he can have his own show on ESPN or the Golf Channel.

http://blogs.jta.org..._medium=twitter

Jewish groups respond to Obama's Mideast speech

Jewish Donors Warn Obama on Israel

http://online.wsj.co...=googlenews_wsj

Jewish donors and fund-raisers are warning the Obama re-election campaign that the president is at risk of losing financial support because of concerns about his handling of Israel.

The complaints began early in President Barack Obama's term, centered on a perception that Mr. Obama has been too tough on Israel.

Edited May 21, 2011 by Scott
Edited to comply with fair use policy

[Ulysses G.]

How about St George???

"Saint George was a Palestinian Christian"

That was the Jewish country that the Romans called Palestine way back in history. There has never been an Arab country with that name.

How about Shakespeare

The Life and Death of King John: Scene II.1 "Richard, that robb'd the lion of his heart, and fought the holy wars in Palestine"

Othello Scene IV.3: "I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his [Lodovico's] nether lip."

The Kingdom of Jerusalem was ruled by Christians at that time, but the name Palestine was left over from when it was a Jewish state.

Edited May 21, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[Scott]

If you are going to quote an article, please comply with the fair use policy. Quote the first three sentences and then a link to the article.

[Wallaby]

How about St George???

"Saint George was a Palestinian Christian"

That was the Jewish country that the Romans called Palestine way back in history. There has never been an Arab country with that name.

How about Shakespeare

The Life and Death of King John: Scene II.1 "Richard, that robb'd the lion of his heart, and fought the holy wars in Palestine"

Othello Scene IV.3: "I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his [Lodovico's] nether lip."

The Kingdom of Jerusalem was ruled by Christians at that time, but the name Palestine was left over from when it was a Jewish state.

So there was a Palestine.

[Ulysses G.]

I have never denied that there was a Jewish Palestine. There was never an Arab county with that name.

[powderpuff]

Pres Grant puts up points like Michael Jordan. BAM !

[Ulysses G.]

And don't bother to reply if you delete and ignore the other half of my post and my arguments.

I replied specifically to your question and left out the pointless nit-picking. That is how it works in a debate.

[Wallaby]

I have never denied that there was a Jewish Palestine. There was never an Arab county with that name.

So Israel bombs it's own people?

[Ulysses G.]

I do not think that bombs were invented yet in Jewish Palestine.

[samurai]

Obama just lost the $upport of the Jewish community back home who were foolish enough to back him the first time around. I think he is trying to throw the election just so he can retire with all those cool presidential benefits before he is 52. Then he can have his own show on ESPN or the Golf Channel.

http://blogs.jta.org..._medium=twitter

Jewish groups respond to Obama's Mideast speech

Jewish Donors Warn Obama on Israel

http://online.wsj.co...=googlenews_wsj

Jewish donors and fund-raisers are warning the Obama re-election campaign that the president is at risk of losing financial support because of concerns about his handling of Israel.

The complaints began early in President Barack Obama's term, centered on a perception that Mr. Obama has been too tough on Israel.

Yes, but not all of them.

And you certainly don't want start to argue that a victory in the presidential election depends Jewish donors and fund-raisers or is that your point?

[Ulysses G.]

They certainly help.

[samurai]

And don't bother to reply if you delete and ignore the other half of my post and my arguments.

I replied specifically to your question and left out the pointless nit-picking. That is how it works in a debate.

No, your reply wasn't an answer to the question.

Your way is not the way how a debate should work.

But lets say you are the WINNER. Congratulations.

[Ulysses G.]

But lets say you are the WINNER. Congratulations.

Thanks.

[powderpuff]

You seem to have run out of arguments and answers to logical questions some time ago.

He certainly seems to be a one trick pony. Tiresome at that.

[Wallaby]

You seem to have run out of arguments and answers to logical questions some time ago.

He certainly seems to be a one trick pony. Tiresome at that.

What questions have you asked me? Your definition of a logical question needs refining.

But it's ok, you can continue to bleat all you want when Palestine is recognised.

Must be quite frustrating for your view to be in a minority.

[Ulysses G.]

Must be quite frustrating for your view to be in a minority.

As long as I have history and facts on my side, I'm not too worried about being a "minority". Christopher Columbus knew that the world was round and he was in the minority too.

I do enjoy the fact that none of the Israel-bashers can even answer one of those questions that would prove that Palestine was ever an Arab country.

Edited May 21, 2011 by Ulysses G.