Don'T Have Cue System In Australia?

[LadyHeather]

Happens a lot in the Immigration lines.

Waiting for 20-30 minutes, still 7-8 infront of me.

Looking down at my passport for a moment, and they open another booth.

Loads of people behind me run towards the newly opened booth.

Annoying, but I have to accept it.

This is not a system, but first come first serve.

Me being pearshaped and unattractive should not have anything to do with it.

Yes but are you tall and white? If so, then I am afraid it is obvious your colonial mentality makes you look down on the "natives" for their lack of queue etiquette

Edited June 12, 2011 by LadyHeather

[TAWP]

As far as I can tell from the OP, TAWP happened to have the good luck to walk by as a cashier was opening up a new line and proceeded to use it.

Actually his own words contradict your theory including his claimed knowledge of how long the complainer was already standing in line already as well as his saying he approached "another" cashier first. as well as his mentioning he felt the women thought his "moving to a newly opened cashier" was wrong. moved to as well as the OP indicating he might have allowed the women who was in line longer to go in front of him has she asked in a way he felt appropriate..

I knew how long (short) time approximately the Aussie had been in line since they shopped their goods around us when in the isles and the store isn't thaaat big.

Maybe we would have, if approached in due time, allowed her to go infront. Maybe not. It is really besides the point. It was never up for debate, it didn't seem to be her point. As she could have joined the queue behind us. She choose not to and several other shoppers, from behind her in the other queue, also joined the newly opened one.

Unless you are advocating that anyone that walks to as newly opened cashier (where the cashier looks at us and not at a shopper in the other line!) should stand and take a poll if anyone else thought they had the right to feel upset over this 'injustice' of someone having to wait less time than they and then perhaps validate in what order all of the should be allowed to queue up infront...

Oh, and for the record, by the time the cashier had finished with our 8 items, the Aussie 'couple' had already had their goods tilled up and payed...it was that short of a queue in time infront of them in their original queue!

They still exited the store ahead of us!

So, yes, I still stand by my original OP. Minus the spelling mistakes.

Not all of us are Americans or Brits, sorry for that.

Edited June 12, 2011 by TAWP

[Travel2003]

Happens a lot in the Immigration lines.

Waiting for 20-30 minutes, still 7-8 infront of me.

Looking down at my passport for a moment, and they open another booth.

Loads of people behind me run towards the newly opened booth.

Annoying, but I have to accept it.

This is not a system, but first come first serve.

Me being pearshaped and unattractive should not have anything to do with it.

Yes but are you tall and white? If so, then I am afraid it is obvious your colonial mentality makes you look down on the "natives" for their lack of queue etiquette

So whether Im tall and white or not tall and white, will determine if I look down on the natives, when I stand in the Immigration line with fellow foreigners?

Are you sure you replied to the right one?

[Bakseedaa]

just tell them go to "far queue"

evn an ozzy will understand this

[Daewoo]

So back to the OP, I think perhaps he has answered his own question...

I reckon, in Aus, we have a well developed sense of queueing, that the OP didn't understand...

Queueing doesn't necessarily mean which line you are in, but an awareness of whose turn it is next...

Aussies lining up for an escalator, or narrow door, seem to know the order in which they arrived, and others arrived before/after them, and flow through in that order... Instead of crowding around and turning a simple task into a complete cluster f^ck...

I for one, even if I did stumble across a newly opened cashier lane, would give up my pole position for whoever had been waiting longer in another lane, and who chose to swap lanes, before joining the back of the newly formed queue...

It is called manners... we Aussies don't like it known that we have any, BUURRP, but just 'cause we don't like to exhibit them all the time, doesn't mean we don't have them...

Do we have a Cue (sic) system in Aussie? - Yes.

Does the OP have good manners? - No

Daewoo

Edited June 12, 2011 by Daewoo

[TAWP]

Do we have a Cue (sic) system in Aussie? - Yes.

Does the OP have good manners? - No

At what distance to other cashier queues do we have to limit our search? The closest neighboring cashier queue or up to 3 queues away, in either direction? What is the response-time at what we can expect a reply to our wandering gaze if anyone would like to slowly scuffle over to our queue and expect to be lead ahead of us?

And what part of 'good manners' involves loudly complaining about being in another queue for ages, without waiting for a reply nor inquiring if they could go ahead first?

[TAWP]

A queue-system means that people line up in a queue. If another queue opens up it is up to each and every person to validate if they would like to move to this newly forming queue, to possibly gain a few positions up in turn, or if they are happy with where they stand.

Anything else is just plain stupid and up for so much debate as to whom is more right than others that it becomes a parody.

[djayz]

You forgot to tell us what you bought at TescoLotus...

[kuffki]

A queue-system means that people line up in a queue. If another queue opens up it is up to each and every person to validate if they would like to move to this newly forming queue, to possibly gain a few positions up in turn, or if they are happy with where they stand.

Anything else is just plain stupid and up for so much debate as to whom is more right than others that it becomes a parody.

May i ask what was the purpose or the reason for making this thread?

Did you feel insulted that a "white unattractive woman" ignored you and addressed your GF , rather than you?

or was it that "white unattractive woman" dared to question you? because you may consider yourself to be in some "special"position where "white unattractive woman" do not have the right to question you

or would it make any difference if it was white man or Thai person?

Or are you trying to seek advice? or you simply so bored that you need some mental stimulation and the only way to achieve that was to make this kind of a thread?

So please clarify the reason for this thread and the purpose.

[Travel2003]

Not sure how to paste on YouTube clips.

Have a look at Izzard talking about queue strategy.

Scroll to around 0:55.

Eddie Izzard in Definite Article: Supermarkets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsKk1FtOwc

[TAWP]

A queue-system means that people line up in a queue. If another queue opens up it is up to each and every person to validate if they would like to move to this newly forming queue, to possibly gain a few positions up in turn, or if they are happy with where they stand.

Anything else is just plain stupid and up for so much debate as to whom is more right than others that it becomes a parody.

May i ask what was the purpose or the reason for making this thread?

Did you feel insulted that a "white unattractive woman" ignored you and addressed your GF , rather than you?

or was it that "white unattractive woman" dared to question you? because you may consider yourself to be in some "special"position where "white unattractive woman" do not have the right to question you

or would it make any difference if it was white man or Thai person?

Or are you trying to seek advice? or you simply so bored that you need some mental stimulation and the only way to achieve that was to make this kind of a thread?

So please clarify the reason for this thread and the purpose.

I was bored and foresaw that some of the usual suspects would jump in with the usual agendas.

Oh, and if it was a man then some posters would be noting that the typical white man that lives here is low-class etc etc, but since it is a white woman that did it...well, the notion is not allowed to be propose on this forum.

In either way, It is neither the predominantly European culture nor Thai culture to somehow stand back when one is lucky to walk past a cashier that opens a new queue and proceeds to serve you. But yet this lady found it normal to 'educate' a local by loudly proclaiming her problem. So even if she isn't a typical colonial Aussie, she is atleast culturally ignorant and rude.

But it is always fun seeing people defend them...

[TAWP]

Not sure how to paste on YouTube clips.

Have a look at Izzard talking about queue strategy.

Scroll to around 0:55.

Eddie Izzard in Definite Article: Supermarkets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsKk1FtOwc

I was going to mention Eddie Izzard's bits about Supermarkets, so much thanks for posting the clip.

He is clearly also implying that anyone that want to get into a newly forming queue walk there by themselves and not wait for others to invite them ahead...

[kuffki]

Thanks for explanation.

In all fairness in most civilized countries including Oz, when they open a cashier, they would always call out "next in line" that includes supermarkets, postal services, banks etc.

In Thailand just like with everything else it's a chaos. So I do not think you can blame the woman for being upset or angry, but that does not make you wrong either.

This is how things are in Thailand .

Either go with a flow or have a few drinks to help with reality.

In my first few years I was drinking heavily to help the frustration, these days there are not too many things that would bother me. Even when certain non thai people pick up bread with their hands, smell it, poke fingers in it and just put it back.

A queue-system means that people line up in a queue. If another queue opens up it is up to each and every person to validate if they would like to move to this newly forming queue, to possibly gain a few positions up in turn, or if they are happy with where they stand.

Anything else is just plain stupid and up for so much debate as to whom is more right than others that it becomes a parody.

May i ask what was the purpose or the reason for making this thread?

Did you feel insulted that a "white unattractive woman" ignored you and addressed your GF , rather than you?

or was it that "white unattractive woman" dared to question you? because you may consider yourself to be in some "special"position where "white unattractive woman" do not have the right to question you

or would it make any difference if it was white man or Thai person?

Or are you trying to seek advice? or you simply so bored that you need some mental stimulation and the only way to achieve that was to make this kind of a thread?

So please clarify the reason for this thread and the purpose.

I was bored and foresaw that some of the usual suspects would jump in with the usual agendas.

Oh, and if it was a man then some posters would be noting that the typical white man that lives here is low-class etc etc, but since it is a white woman that did it...well, the notion is not allowed to be propose on this forum.

In either way, It is neither the predominantly European culture nor Thai culture to somehow stand back when one is lucky to walk past a cashier that opens a new queue and proceeds to serve you. But yet this lady found it normal to 'educate' a local by loudly proclaiming her problem. So even if she isn't a typical colonial Aussie, she is atleast culturally ignorant and rude.

But it is always fun seeing people defend them...

[Boo]

10 minutes I wont get back after reading this thread. op needs a hobby.

[Nisa]

Bottom line is no typical person would allow such an incident to upset them to this degree and get this defensive about it unless they suspected they were partly to blame for the incident.

As for the original question as to if Australia has a queue system ... I think that has been established and it is clear the OP broke queue etiquette that exists in Australia and much of the Western world as well as simple rules of politeness when dealing with others in most any part of the world. Sure the ugly and/or pear shaped women appears to have reacted rudely but we encounter rude people every day and it is certainly not worthy of a post and strongly defending your rights unless something is eating at you ... such as maybe you were partly responsible for the problem.

I also find it interesting the OP minimizes the time the women spent in line but instead of offering her to go in front (clearly the OP has made it clear a couple minutes is nothing), chose to ignore the women as if she didn't exist. Just seems like a rather bizarre response to another native English speaker, who is also a women and likely posed no physical threat. Not even an attempt by the OP to defend his actions which he clearly has no problem doing here in expressing his being 100% in the right. I wonder why he didn't try to explain this to the women who, in his mind, must have misunderstood the situation because the OP appears to never have heard of such manners while forming lines.

Just another incident of self-centered farangs in Thailand acting like buffaloes for everyone to see.

[TAWP]

I guess the Aussie woman doesn't understand that most men don't come to Thailand to have women confront them and talk back to them......

Haha, if that is their wish they shouldn't pick a Thai gf as most Thai women I have meet have a lot of go in them and are not afraid to talk back or start big fights.

[TAWP]

Bottom line is no typical person would allow such an incident to upset them to this degree and get this defensive about it unless they suspected they were partly to blame for the incident.

As for the original question as to if Australia has a queue system ... I think that has been established and it is clear the OP broke queue etiquette that exists in Australia and much of the Western world as well as simple rules of politeness when dealing with others in most any part of the world. Sure the ugly and/or pear shaped women appears to have reacted rudely but we encounter rude people every day and it is certainly not worthy of a post and strongly defending your rights unless something is eating at you ... such as maybe you were partly responsible for the problem.

I also find it interesting the OP minimizes the time the women spent in line but instead of offering her to go in front (clearly the OP has made it clear a couple minutes is nothing), chose to ignore the women as if she didn't exist. Just seems like a rather bizarre response to another native English speaker, who is also a women and likely posed no physical threat. Not even an attempt by the OP to defend his actions which he clearly has no problem doing here in expressing his being 100% in the right. I wonder why he didn't try to explain this to the women who, in his mind, must have misunderstood the situation because the OP appears to never have heard of such manners while forming lines.

Just another incident of self-centered farangs in Thailand acting like buffaloes for everyone to see.

Again Nisa, since you lack the ability to read written posts without bending them to your own needs, I fear that my time writing this reply is wasted on you. But alas, I shall anyway as it is fun. The same reason why I started the OP.

When did you want us to invite the women to go infront of us? After she made the loud proclamation and walked back to her queue? Does that sound reasonable to you? To me it doesn't. If someone wants to be treated with respect and humility they should act like a buffoon. Then they will get nothing.

And for the millionth time, I am not a native English speaker. Nor was it directly to me she directed her comment. From my position when I was standing she seemed to direct it towards my gf. So your theory or understanding (and yes, I have already written about this a few times) is lacking basis in reality.

(Oh, and your 'Western world' comment is very-very wrong. Unless you have a strictly limited view of 'Western world' to mean basically Britain and colonies etc.)

Edited June 12, 2011 by TAWP

[PattayaParent]

Happens a lot in the Immigration lines.

Waiting for 20-30 minutes, still 7-8 infront of me.

Looking down at my passport for a moment, and they open another booth.

Loads of people behind me run towards the newly opened booth.

Annoying, but I have to accept it.

This is not a system, but first come first serve.

Me being pearshaped and unattractive should not have anything to do with it.

Yes but are you tall and white? If so, then I am afraid it is obvious your colonial mentality makes you look down on the "natives" for their lack of queue etiquette

The natives have their own queue at immigration where they don't have to associate with us foreign devils.

[PattayaParent]

Bottom line is no typical person would allow such an incident to upset them to this degree and get this defensive about it unless they suspected they were partly to blame for the incident.

As for the original question as to if Australia has a queue system ... I think that has been established and it is clear the OP broke queue etiquette that exists in Australia and much of the Western world as well as simple rules of politeness when dealing with others in most any part of the world. Sure the ugly and/or pear shaped women appears to have reacted rudely but we encounter rude people every day and it is certainly not worthy of a post and strongly defending your rights unless something is eating at you ... such as maybe you were partly responsible for the problem.

I also find it interesting the OP minimizes the time the women spent in line but instead of offering her to go in front (clearly the OP has made it clear a couple minutes is nothing), chose to ignore the women as if she didn't exist. Just seems like a rather bizarre response to another native English speaker, who is also a women and likely posed no physical threat. Not even an attempt by the OP to defend his actions which he clearly has no problem doing here in expressing his being 100% in the right. I wonder why he didn't try to explain this to the women who, in his mind, must have misunderstood the situation because the OP appears to never have heard of such manners while forming lines.

Just another incident of self-centered farangs in Thailand acting like buffaloes for everyone to see.

Again Nisa, since you lack the ability to read written posts without bending them to your own needs, I fear that my time writing this reply is wasted on you. But alas, I shall anyway as it is fun. The same reason why I started the OP.

When did you want us to invite the women to go infront of us? After she made the loud proclamation and walked back to her queue? Does that sound reasonable to you? To me it doesn't. If someone wants to be treated with respect and humility they should act like a buffoon. Then they will get nothing.

And for the millionth time, I am not a native English speaker. Nor was it directly to me she directed her comment. From my position when I was standing she seemed to direct it towards my gf. So your theory or understanding (and yes, I have already written about this a few times) is lacking basis in reality.

(Oh, and your 'Western world' comment is very-very wrong. Unless you have a strictly limited view of 'Western world' to mean basically Britain and colonies etc.)

Even in Britain if a new cashier opens up you go for it, first come first served.

[Sateev]

What is this thread about?

A foreigner complained, uncharacteristically loud for Thailand, about another person's selfishness and inconsideration for others.

Doesn't really seem to warrant a Topic but the fact the OP doesn't seem to get this, has made it worthy of comments.

I see it more like:

A foreign woman, completely unaware of the social norms in her present location, became loud and whiny. The object of her whine, annoyed, reported it on ThaiVisa, which, due to the preponderance of people with nothing else to do, generated an outsized thread, wherein people dragged their political baggage out for all to see (and, in this case, laugh about).

See also, The Chip: the tendency for a particular gender to make it clear that they aren't going to take any crap, and that they are on constant lookout for crap not to take.

With credit and apologies to Fred Reed.

Priceless.

[Sateev]

...

Just another incident of self-centered farangs in Thailand acting like buffaloes for everyone to see.

Curiously, if you knew anything AT ALL about Thai behavior, you would know the the oft-mentioned, apparently large, farang female protester, who apparently waited in line for AGES is the one who acted like a buffalo, which everyone Thai could see. Outward displays of anger over little issues are NOT jai-yen.

Not that her being large, or female, or farang has anything to do with it. Just mentioned for correct identification purposes. I answer to two out of three, hence my desire to avoid confusion.

[lonewolf99]

Bottom line is no typical person would allow such an incident to upset them to this degree and get this defensive about it unless they suspected they were partly to blame for the incident.

As for the original question as to if Australia has a queue system ... I think that has been established and it is clear the OP broke queue etiquette that exists in Australia and much of the Western world as well as simple rules of politeness when dealing with others in most any part of the world. Sure the ugly and/or pear shaped women appears to have reacted rudely but we encounter rude people every day and it is certainly not worthy of a post and strongly defending your rights unless something is eating at you ... such as maybe you were partly responsible for the problem.

I also find it interesting the OP minimizes the time the women spent in line but instead of offering her to go in front (clearly the OP has made it clear a couple minutes is nothing), chose to ignore the women as if she didn't exist. Just seems like a rather bizarre response to another native English speaker, who is also a women and likely posed no physical threat. Not even an attempt by the OP to defend his actions which he clearly has no problem doing here in expressing his being 100% in the right. I wonder why he didn't try to explain this to the women who, in his mind, must have misunderstood the situation because the OP appears to never have heard of such manners while forming lines.

Just another incident of self-centered farangs in Thailand acting like buffaloes for everyone to see.

If your not 1st yer last.

Survival of the fittest - its a jungle out there...

If you want to see a queue - Try the Empire State Building - But do not try to jump ahead !

If you want to see another queue - try the Eifel Tower

and by the way ....who is NOONE ? Is that the OP's GF

[Nisa]

People who only hear one side of a story and believe that is exactly how things transpired don't have much experience in life when it comes to understanding disagreements or confrontations... especially when the story you hear is by a person who can accept no responsibility, no advice and isn't open to any other person's thoughts / experiences if they contradict his .... as well as being prone to making a big issue over a minor incident and has clearly made clear his only concern is himself and has a need to speak negatively about the other person regarding things that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.

A honest person involved in a similar situation would likely have a different take on what happened than the other person. This is just the reality of our perceptions and inability to properly put our selves in the shoes of others ... especially when we get overly emotional about minor incidents involving others.

Edited June 13, 2011 by Nisa

[vpi78]

People who only hear one side of a story and believe that is exactly how things transpired don't have much experience in life when it comes to understanding disagreements or confrontations... especially when the story you hear is by a person who can accept no responsibility, no advice and isn't open to any other person's thoughts / experiences if they contradict his .... as well as being prone to making a big issue over a minor incident and has clearly made clear his only concern is himself and has a need to speak negatively about the other person regarding things that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.

A honest person involved in a similar situation would likely have a different take on what happened than the other person. This is just the reality of our perceptions and inability to properly put our selves in the shoes of others ... especially when we get overly emotional about minor incidents involving others.

You and the Op should just get a room and work this out but clearly the Op needs to be in front.

[Ulysses G.]

People who only hear one side of a story and believe that is exactly how things transpired don't have much experience in life when it comes to understanding disagreements or confrontations...

At least he was actually there. That is often more reliable then depending on someone who just makes things up about what transpired.

[sbk]

Well, I think this rather pointless thread has nattered on long enough.

OP has had his complaints heard, and whether or not they are valid has been addressed ad nauseum.

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