Thai Red Shirts Urge Govt To Probe Deadly Unrest

[themockrat]

No, you're wrong. UDD and PTP work towards the same goal, but they're different teams.

Will you ever stop you biased red propaganda?

It's my opinion, not propaganda. Just as you express your opinion, I express mine.

Your pro-Dictatorship and pro-Censorship party lost the election, remember? Freedom of expression is back.

[whybother]

Well, so much for "reconciliation" and "no revenge" (election slogans of the Pheua Thai). Didn't take long.

The post is about the UDD asking the new coalition government. Not about the new coalition government deciding anything.

Contrary to popular belief, the UDD and the PTP are 2 different teams.

They just happen to be joined at the hip.

[Dap]

Doesn't sound too much like "reconciliation" process.

[ballpoint]

No, you're wrong. UDD and PTP work towards the same goal, but they're different teams.

Will you ever stop you biased red propaganda?

It's my opinion, not propaganda. Just as you express your opinion, I express mine.

Your pro-Dictatorship and pro-Censorship party lost the election, remember? Freedom of expression is back.

Is this the same "pro-Dictatorship" party that just voluntarily held early elections and has congratulated the PTP on winning?

[Dap]

The game will be to pin Abhisit and Suthep and then call for amnesty for all including both of them and Thaksin. Who will reject the amnesty then??

Certainly a very astute observation.

[Dap]

Go right ahead, they can look into the use of guns and M-79 grenades by red shirts against the public and public officials, and the links to the red shirt leadership. Plenty of interesting answers waiting to be had.

Won't happen ... unfortunately (in most cases) winners write the history.

[Dap]

Aw, they'll be plenty more of this. It's a great way to get Big Bro' home. Get Abhisit up on daft charges, then give him and Big Bro' both a pardon - it's call "Reconciliation", people.

Before history gets re-written, as it surely will, lets not forget that some of the redshirt leaders were all ready to make a deal to quit Rachaprasong 'till Veera went mysteriously missing, Weng suddenly shut up, and Seh Deang told everyone no one was going home till the military came in.

Let's not forget that the crackdown was the hardcore redshirt/TS plan all along and Abhisit did so much to avoid it that he made himself a laughing stock even with his own supporters.

since it's the courts that decide, not the government, Thida won't be able to force the outcome without facts, which need to be somewhat more sound than a doctored recording

Unfortunately, her "facts" will be fed to the new government.

[moe666]

What if PTP says no to investigation, then the red shirts will realize they where just being used as they where.

Then the PTP may also find out it is hard to put the red shirts back in the bottle.

[OzMick]

Well, so much for "reconciliation" and "no revenge" (election slogans of the Pheua Thai). Didn't take long.

The post is about the UDD asking the new coalition government. Not about the new coalition government deciding anything.

Contrary to popular belief, the UDD and the PTP are 2 different teams.

UDD = PTP = THAKSIN

No, you're wrong. UDD and PTP work towards the same goal, but they're different teams.

Which would be the return of Thaksin. But I'm sure some of the more astute members of PTP are disgusted to be associated with the UDD. After all, you are known by the company you keep

But when his master's voice says salivate, they both drool.

[MrChangers]

A quote from Reuters a real news service with world wide credentials:

The stridently anti-Thaksin Nation newspaper accepted the result but pulled no punches on the challenge ahead.

"The election is over but the hatred remains," it headlined its leader column. "It's time for ordinary Thais to take reconciliation into their own hands."

As I have said before a paper not a news paper. This is inciting no matter what spin you put on it. Those who follow this garbage are following the gutter mutterings of fools. I prefer to read both sides of the story before making my mind up and not following popular drivel like the rest of the lemmings.

[themockrat]

No, you're wrong. UDD and PTP work towards the same goal, but they're different teams.

Will you ever stop you biased red propaganda?

It's my opinion, not propaganda. Just as you express your opinion, I express mine.

Your pro-Dictatorship and pro-Censorship party lost the election, remember? Freedom of expression is back.

Is this the same "pro-Dictatorship" party that just voluntarily held early elections and has congratulated the PTP on winning?

Oh yeah, let's award them the Nobel price for holding elections 5 months early, after they've sized power through an illegal military coup and have spent 4 years running the country into the ground and to the brink of war with Cambodia. Congratulating should fix all that, right?

[MrChangers]

No, you're wrong. UDD and PTP work towards the same goal, but they're different teams.

Will you ever stop you biased red propaganda?

It's my opinion, not propaganda. Just as you express your opinion, I express mine.

Your pro-Dictatorship and pro-Censorship party lost the election, remember? Freedom of expression is back.

Is this the same "pro-Dictatorship" party that just voluntarily held early elections and has congratulated the PTP on winning?

No, they just knew the game was up. 91 deaths??? Not me Guv!

[whybother]

A quote from Reuters a real news service with world wide credentials:

The stridently anti-Thaksin Nation newspaper accepted the result but pulled no punches on the challenge ahead.

"The election is over but the hatred remains," it headlined its leader column. "It's time for ordinary Thais to take reconciliation into their own hands."

As I have said before a paper not a news paper. This is inciting no matter what spin you put on it. Those who follow this garbage are following the gutter mutterings of fools. I prefer to read both sides of the story before making my mind up and not following popular drivel like the rest of the lemmings.

What is wrong with that statement.

Are you suggesting that all the hatred has disappeared? Are you suggesting that it isn't up to the ordinary Thai to reconcile?

How do you expect the country to move forward with out reconciliation.

Maybe you expect Yingluck to stand up at Ratchaprasong in a couple of months and announce: Thailand has been reconciled. We have stamped out hatred.

[whybother]

Oh yeah, let's award them the Nobel price for holding elections 5 months early, after they've sized power through an illegal military coup and have spent 4 years running the country into the ground and to the brink of war with Cambodia. Congratulating should fix all that, right?

Yup. That just shows how much you know about Thailand.

[themockrat]

The game will be to pin Abhisit and Suthep and then call for amnesty for all including both of them and Thaksin. Who will reject the amnesty then??

Certainly a very astute observation.

What if there's no amnesty, as Puea Thai claims? Thaksin said yesterday that he won't come back. Looks like it might be time for Abhisit & Suthep to move to England.

[whybother]

The game will be to pin Abhisit and Suthep and then call for amnesty for all including both of them and Thaksin. Who will reject the amnesty then??

Certainly a very astute observation.

What if there's no amnesty, as Puea Thai claims? Thaksin said yesterday that he won't come back. Looks like it might be time for Abhisit & Suthep to move to England.

Is that a new form of reconciliation?

[themockrat]

A quote from Reuters a real news service with world wide credentials:

The stridently anti-Thaksin Nation newspaper accepted the result but pulled no punches on the challenge ahead.

"The election is over but the hatred remains," it headlined its leader column. "It's time for ordinary Thais to take reconciliation into their own hands."

As I have said before a paper not a news paper. This is inciting no matter what spin you put on it. Those who follow this garbage are following the gutter mutterings of fools. I prefer to read both sides of the story before making my mind up and not following popular drivel like the rest of the lemmings.

What is wrong with that statement.

Are you suggesting that all the hatred has disappeared? Are you suggesting that it isn't up to the ordinary Thai to reconcile?

How do you expect the country to move forward with out reconciliation.

Maybe you expect Yingluck to stand up at Ratchaprasong in a couple of months and announce: Thailand has been reconciled. We have stamped out hatred.

According to Abhisit in a speech last Friday, there's no division in Thailand.

So Yingluck's statement is correct.

[MrChangers]

A quote from Reuters a real news service with world wide credentials:

The stridently anti-Thaksin Nation newspaper accepted the result but pulled no punches on the challenge ahead.

"The election is over but the hatred remains," it headlined its leader column. "It's time for ordinary Thais to take reconciliation into their own hands."

As I have said before a paper not a news paper. This is inciting no matter what spin you put on it. Those who follow this garbage are following the gutter mutterings of fools. I prefer to read both sides of the story before making my mind up and not following popular drivel like the rest of the lemmings.

What is wrong with that statement.

Are you suggesting that all the hatred has disappeared? Are you suggesting that it isn't up to the ordinary Thai to reconcile?

How do you expect the country to move forward with out reconciliation.

Maybe you expect Yingluck to stand up at Ratchaprasong in a couple of months and announce: Thailand has been reconciled. We have stamped out hatred.

If you read the whole article you will understand the nation's little back biter. When it comes to news I prefer to read real news details. I would post the Reuters link but it may not be allowed. As for the nation I would not use it to line my bin.

[themockrat]

The game will be to pin Abhisit and Suthep and then call for amnesty for all including both of them and Thaksin. Who will reject the amnesty then??

Certainly a very astute observation.

Abhisit and Suthep won't need amnesty, I thought. Since they didn't do anything wrong? Or did they? Can't remember well.

[whybother]

If you read the whole article you will understand the nation's little back biter. When it comes to news I prefer to read real news details. I would post the Reuters link but it may not be allowed. As for the nation I would not use it to line my bin.

It's only Bangkok Post that doesn't allow their links to be posted here (and another small paper I think). I don't think you can post Reuters photos, but links are OK.

But I agree, the Nation is crap. But I didn't think there was anything wrong with the quote that you posted.

[whybother]

Abhisit and Suthep won't need amnesty, I thought. Since they didn't do anything wrong? Or did they? Can't remember well.

It was only half a dozen posts ago that you said they should move to England. On the Chang tonight??

[jdinasia]

Oh yeah, let's award them the Nobel price for holding elections 5 months early, after they've sized power through an illegal military coup and have spent 4 years running the country into the ground and to the brink of war with Cambodia. Congratulating should fix all that, right?

Yup. That just shows how much you know about Thailand.

I am lost .... wasn't it a TRT clone party that ran the country from 2007-2008? Wasn't the GDP growth 7.8% last year in the midst of a global melt-down? Hasn't Thailand actually thrived even with the reds on the street, random grenade attacks against target the reds associated with "the elite", and the reds armed insurrection? The EU and the US would all be happy to have the economy in Thailand should they do as well!

That the reds turned down early elections (offered on March 28th 2010 I think, publicly to all of Thailand and in front of the world) and then escalated the violence on April 9th 2010 will forever make them people that should feel shame. They won't but they should! They had their marching orders though --- new Gov't before Oct1.

I am hoping that Yingluck will try her hardest for the country and avoid doing anything stupid like bringing her brother back, but ..... Instead I see a few years of rampant corruption ahead of us and double digit inflation that'll wipe out some of the retirees here in Thailand.

I would welcome a probe into the deaths starting in 2008 with the grenade attacks (announced in advance by the late Seh Daeng) through the crackdowns in 2010. No amnesties and full transparency (and no parliamentary immunity!) I think it would be good and that the money trails should be fully followed.

[BigC]

Thida calls on new govt to bring Abhisit, military leaders to justice over red-shirt killings

Thida Thavornset, the chairwoman of the red-shirt movement, Monday called on the new government to bring those responsible for the killings of red-shirt people to justice.

Thida said she would demand the new government to provide justice over the killings of 91 people and the injuries of 2,000 people.

She said she would call on the government to investigate and pinpoint those who ordered the crackdowns on the red-shirt protesters.

She said outgoing prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and officials in the Centre for Resolutions of Emergency Situation would be held responsible for the deaths and injuries.

-- The Nation 2011-07-04

let sleeping dogs sleep. going over the past will just prevoke another war. Reds arein power should move forward and put the country back together.

In effect they have won. now move on. There were casulities in the past on all sides from reds to yellows to toursits to reporters. Just get back to business unless they just want everyone to be perminatly poor and pissed off.

[Jingthing]

The Democrats had a year to investigate who killed the 90+ Thais last year. They couldn't find anything. For whatever reason.

Let's hope the Puea Thai finds out who killed them.

How about start with the older case? The mass murders under Thaksin during his war on drugs, for example.

[ikke]

Yes, let's have a full and proper investigation starting with the money trail, who planned it, their intentions, the details of the negotiation, the burning of the buildings...I find it disgusting the way Thida blythly insists that Abhisit and co should now be held responsible and STILL these UDD goons remain in total denial that they did ANYTHING wrong.

I'm all for giving the Yingluck govt a chance but if any of these UDD leaders are part of it, they should expect pressure from day 1.

What happened at Ratchaprasong was no different from a coup attempt, and those responsible for trying to overthrow a civilian govt should be hanged!!

You forget the yellow shirts (Abhisit) did throw over a civilian govt, so you be the first to hang them...!!!!!!

[skippybangkok]

& maybe the M79 assults on the BTS station down near Dusit

[jdinasia]

Yes, let's have a full and proper investigation starting with the money trail, who planned it, their intentions, the details of the negotiation, the burning of the buildings...I find it disgusting the way Thida blythly insists that Abhisit and co should now be held responsible and STILL these UDD goons remain in total denial that they did ANYTHING wrong.

I'm all for giving the Yingluck govt a chance but if any of these UDD leaders are part of it, they should expect pressure from day 1.

What happened at Ratchaprasong was no different from a coup attempt, and those responsible for trying to overthrow a civilian govt should be hanged!!

You forget the yellow shirts (Abhisit) did throw over a civilian govt, so you be the first to hang them...!!!!!!

Ummm

1) The Yellows (PAD) did not "throw over a civilian government"

2) The courts dissolved PPP.

[ballpoint]

If you read the whole article you will understand the nation's little back biter. When it comes to news I prefer to read real news details. I would post the Reuters link but it may not be allowed. As for the nation I would not use it to line my bin.

It's only Bangkok Post that doesn't allow their links to be posted here (and another small paper I think). I don't think you can post Reuters photos, but links are OK.

But I agree, the Nation is crap. But I didn't think there was anything wrong with the quote that you posted.

It's the truth. Reds don't like to see the truth printed for the general populace to read. They want the papers to all say "PTP is in charge, the country is peaceful, there is no longer a North/South divide".

[britmaveric]

The Democrats had a year to investigate who killed the 90+ Thais last year. They couldn't find anything. For whatever reason.

Let's hope the Puea Thai finds out who killed them.

How about start with the older case? The mass murders under Thaksin during his war on drugs, for example.

How about... Abhisit and the Thai military has towing hundreds of Burmese "boat people" out to sea and abandoning them to die with their hands tied and without food, water, or an engine on their boat???

[rubl]

No, you're wrong. UDD and PTP work towards the same goal, but they're different teams.

Will you ever stop you biased red propaganda?

It's my opinion, not propaganda. Just as you express your opinion, I express mine.

Your pro-Dictatorship and pro-Censorship party lost the election, remember? Freedom of expression is back.

Dear mock rat, you're absolutely correct. We express our opinion.

Remember when the UDD leaders who advocated violence all of a sudden found themselves on the PTP party list of MP candidates and really wondered what happened. I mean, imagine one moment you're a pro-democracy advocate, one blink of the eyes and you find yourself a politician. Even for a red-shirt activist that must be close to a mortal insult. Imagine, a politician