Richard4849 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Until England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland become sovereign, independent states -- with their own passports, diplomatic corps, etc., etc., then your argument is little more than an academic/pedantic one. To the rest of the world, you're all British, mate. You really should go to google before you go any further. No need...I'll stop by the Welsh Embassy tomorrow on my way to the office and inquire further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Christ on a bike. Is somebody really trying to tell me that I am not of English nationality. That I've got it wrong all along all this time. Well thanks for enlightening me Richard, thanks for letting me know what nationality I am. Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifftastic Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 We are of different countries here in the UK but, we have British citizenship. I have British citizenship, which is something that can be obtained by anyone who meets the requirements. What can not be obtained is to become English, or Scottish, Welsh, Irish (the UK part of Ireland that is!) you're either born English or you aren't English. Explaining this to people from outside of the UK is a) difficult and b ) pointless. Especially if that person is an immigration official of another country. You have a British passport, you're British. That person probably has a Thai passport, they may be from Isaan, or another state within the Kingdom, and speak a different language, have a different culture etc. If they were to try to explain that to the UKBA they would get a similar response, maybe a smile, maybe not..."so..Thai then right?" Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard4849 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Righty-ho, old chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifftastic Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 The fact that I'm British and English makes you believe that I speak like someone from the BBC in the 1930's does it? And yes, it's foggy here all the time, and we stop everything at 3pm for tea, all wear flat caps and keep ferrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Obviously I am not. But if you all have the same passport, your "sanchart" (nationality) is all the same. You are all nationals of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland -- a sovereign state whose passport holders all share the same nationality. We all share the same nationality yet we also share DIFFERENT nationalities. They are nationalities within nationalities. England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland are all individual COUNTRIES. I thought Wales was a Principality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Wales is a country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales Part of Wales is the Principality of Wales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Wales Just to make things clearer Edited July 27, 2011 by Moonrakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishken Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 The Thais understand very well the concept of nationality (sanchart) versus ethnicity (cheuachart). The OP confuses the two. He is "sanchart" British but "cheuachart" English. Thai immigration couldn't care less what your "cheuachart" is...it's all about the passport you hold. Except that British, Irish, Scottish and Welsh are not ethnicities (sp) but nationalities. So there is such thing as an English, Welsh, and Scottish passport? You can't call it a nationality unless it is an independent nation with its own passport. The English, the Welsh, the Scottish and the Northern& Southern Irish are ALL nationalities in their own right. We just also happen to use a single passport You're not a Brit are you? hey mate. i from the republic of ireland and i hava a irish passport.we have no conection to great britan at all and and northen ireland residence are also entitled to apply for a irish passport since about 2000 which i believe most are doing..some people need to cop on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 hey mate. i from the republic of ireland and i hava a irish passport.we have no conection to great britan at all and and northen ireland residence are also entitled to apply for a irish passport since about 2000 which i believe most are doing..some people need to cop on hey mate. I didn't say there was a connection. some people need to cop on. Interesting about the N. Irish getting Irish passports though, I never knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyL Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Bahh to the naysayers. Though worlds may change and go awry . While there is still one voice to cry There'll always be an England This YouTube video brought a tear to my eye and I'm not even British or English or whatever the heck it is you're fighting about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJo Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Christ on a bike. Is somebody really trying to tell me that I am not of English nationality. That I've got it wrong all along all this time. Well thanks for enlightening me Richard, thanks for letting me know what nationality I am. Jesus wept. All of them, just remote islands so who cares... all the same and not much intelligent life judging from these posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifftastic Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wales is a country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales Part of Wales is the Principality of Wales. http://en.wikipedia....pality_of_Wales Just to make things clearer And as well as being a separate country containing a principality, it was part of England until 1948! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Wales#Wales_as_part_of_England Again, just to make things even clearer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishken Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 hey mate. i from the republic of ireland and i hava a irish passport.we have no conection to great britan at all and and northen ireland residence are also entitled to apply for a irish passport since about 2000 which i believe most are doing..some people need to cop on hey mate. I didn't say there was a connection. some people need to cop on. Interesting about the N. Irish getting Irish passports though, I never knew that. ok,just letting people know as its already been posted. yeah since the troubles stopped up in the north they can now gain irish citizenship. i don't know if its automatic or there are some guidelines to it. although it has allowed people to claim benefits from both uk and rep of ireland which has been a big mess up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Christ on a bike. Is somebody really trying to tell me that I am not of English nationality. That I've got it wrong all along all this time. Well thanks for enlightening me Richard, thanks for letting me know what nationality I am. Jesus wept. All of them, just remote islands so who cares... all the same and not much intelligent life judging from these posts... None of them are Islands. What was that about intelligent life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Christ on a bike. Is somebody really trying to tell me that I am not of English nationality. That I've got it wrong all along all this time. Well thanks for enlightening me Richard, thanks for letting me know what nationality I am. Jesus wept. All of them, just remote islands so who cares... all the same and not much intelligent life judging from these posts... Such rudeness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wales is a country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales Part of Wales is the Principality of Wales. http://en.wikipedia....pality_of_Wales Just to make things clearer And as well as being a separate country containing a principality, it was part of England until 1948! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Wales#Wales_as_part_of_England Again, just to make things even clearer! I see that 1881 was a particularly bad year for the Welsh: "Wales as part of England For the period following 1689 and ending in 1948 there was no differentiation between the government of England and government in Wales. All laws relating to England included Wales and Wales was considered by the British Government as an indivisible part of England within the United Kingdom. The first piece of legislation to relate specifically to Wales was the Sunday Closing (Wales) Act 1881." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wales is a country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales Part of Wales is the Principality of Wales. http://en.wikipedia....pality_of_Wales Just to make things clearer And as well as being a separate country containing a principality, it was part of England until 1948! http://en.wikipedia....part_of_England Again, just to make things even clearer! You've gotta feel sorry for the poor Cornish though. They so much want to be a country, but nobody's having it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) My country, England, became a foreign land years ago. Where I came from, today it is more pertaining to South East Asia rather than as a part of old England. This means that my roots have all gone anyway. I always say I`m British at Immigration because that`s what they expect, so why create problems? Just get the stamp for another year and continue on with your business without any hassles. I coiuldn`t give a rat`s behind if I had to tell Immigration that I am half Mohican Indian and half Zulu, providing I get my visa. Who cares?. As the wise man says; anything for an easy life and also keeping in mind that the Immigration officers have long memories towards wiseguys and those that give them a hard time. As for the OP, he should try waving his flags in areas like Southall or Brixton. I`m sure it would go down like a flag house on fire over there. Edited July 27, 2011 by Beetlejuice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifftastic Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wales is a country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales Part of Wales is the Principality of Wales. http://en.wikipedia....pality_of_Wales Just to make things clearer And as well as being a separate country containing a principality, it was part of England until 1948! http://en.wikipedia....part_of_England Again, just to make things even clearer! You've gotta feel sorry for the poor Cornish though. They so much want to be a country, but nobody's having it. Wessex is next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wales is a country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales Part of Wales is the Principality of Wales. http://en.wikipedia....pality_of_Wales Just to make things clearer And as well as being a separate country containing a principality, it was part of England until 1948! http://en.wikipedia....part_of_England Again, just to make things even clearer! You've gotta feel sorry for the poor Cornish though. They so much want to be a country, but nobody's having it. Recent polls show more and more young Scots in favour of independence. Mind you I used to be in favour of social reform. Could do a lot worse nowadays than build a wall and keep immigration down though...hehe....it seems half of Inverness is full of folk from Kent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffo9 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ill always be English and never be british... Just because a passport says british which i have no control over it still will never make me say british when asked... I can remember an american in vegas saying hey ur british,, I said no im English,, he looked confused haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ill always be English and never be british... Just because a passport says british which i have no control over it still will never make me say british when asked... I can remember an american in vegas saying hey ur british,, I said no im English,, he looked confused haha Go on accuse me of being Glaswegian...I dare you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ill always be English and never be british... Just because a passport says british which i have no control over it still will never make me say british when asked... I can remember an american in vegas saying hey ur british,, I said no im English,, he looked confused haha Go on accuse me of being Glaswegian...I dare you.... I went to Glasgow once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jombom Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ill always be English and never be british... Just because a passport says british which i have no control over it still will never make me say british when asked... I can remember an american in vegas saying hey ur british,, I said no im English,, he looked confused haha The Scots are similar --- they describe themselves as Scottish and not British. In my experience, the only people who describe themselves as British, are the English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze01 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Why split hairs. You're all a bunch of pikeys anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Why split hairs. You're all a bunch of pikeys anyway. It's hard to refute that comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yes! I understand how you feel,and I also understand the difference,being "English" myself, but when we have "British Citizen"written in our passports as our Nationality,it's not the Thai Immigration Officers fault. And correct me if i'm wrong?but i'm sure the Scottish and Welsh have "British Citizen" also in their Passports. Like it or lump it (and I agree with you) it is the United Kingdom,after all. It could be worse? we might one day be classed as: Euro Citizen? heaven forbid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 What about Briton ? You might be descended from the Britons instead or the Franks or Jutes or Angles or Saxons or god forbid some other Gemanic tribe . But you are probably just a mongrel, but an English mongrel no less . And more to the point........................ Or the Romans= 400 years Colonisation of England Or the Vikings = 267 years Colonisation of England Or the French.............................. Not bad considering the English had Colonised nothing at that point in time,probably because we never had a Navy. Mai Pen Rai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 What have the Romans ever done for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Why split hairs. You're all a bunch of pikeys anyway. It's hard to refute that comment Actually its not hard to refute ignorant comments,and silly point scoring, although I know what you are refering to,in your wisdom the word "Pikeys" is not in any Dictionary that I know of, so please explain the word for all of us to see,and by all means quote a Dictionary reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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