Red-Shirt Leader Jatuporn Makes His Point On Cabinet Line-Up

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Red-shirt Leader Makes His Point on Cabinet Line-up

A red-shirt core leader asks the new government not to use his group’s protests as a reason to bypass naming its elements as ministers.

Pheu Thai party-list MP Jatuporn Prompan, also a red-shirt core leader, said his party has not discussed the allocation of Cabinet seats with its members yet.

Jatuporn said the red-shirt group will have no problem if its elements are not brought into the Cabinet, but he noted its recent protests should not be cited as the reason to pass over red-shirt leaders' nomination as ministers.

Jatuporn maintained Pheu Thai’s de facto leader Thaksin Shinawatra has no conflict with his ex-wife Khunying Pojaman Na Pombejara over the selection of ministers given it was a baseless speculation aiming to cause a rift in the party.

He went on to refute the report that army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha lobbied Thaksin to name his favored candidate as the defense minister.

Jatuporn said Pheu Thai’s party-list MP General Yutthasak Sasiprapa is qualified for the defense minister post

He warned the new government not to abandon red-shirt protesters injured in last year's crackdown while noting that the decision whether the Department of Special Investigation chief must be replaced rests with the judgment of the new justice minister.

Jatuporn today reports for his MP duty at Parliament after Criminal Court approved his bail following the Election Commission's endorsement of his MP status.

-- Tan Network 2011-08-04

[OzMick]

"......... he noted its recent protests should not be cited as the reason to pass over red-shirt leaders' nomination as ministers."

Just as equally it should not be a reason to give them a cabinet position. In a perfect world, that would go to the best qualified person, OTOH TIT and it ain't perfect !

The general must be feeling much more sure of his position with k. Jatuporn's backing.

[janverbeem]

Jatuporn said the red-shirt group will have no problem if its elements are not brought into the Cabinet

Of course,parlementary immunity was all that was needed.To hell with the cabinet ,saving our a*se for the crimes commited and which will be commited inn the future is the only goal.

[Crushdepth]

Jatuporn said the red-shirt group will have no problem if its elements are not brought into the Cabinet

Of course,parlementary immunity was all that was needed.To hell with the cabinet ,saving our a*se for the crimes commited and which will be commited inn the future is the only goal.

I bet he can't wait to vote for an unconditional amnesty for his own crimes. Separation of powers, natural justice be damned. And the poor too...thanks for voting

[Ricardo]

said his party has not yet discussed the allocation of Cabinet seats with its members yet.

Does Jatuporn really expect Ms Yingluck or PTP to discuss the dividing-of-the-spoils with party-members ?

Perhaps he should pop-over to Dubai, to discuss the issue, with the party-owner !

[tragickingdom]

They deserve a few posts, just like every important fraction does. The DSI chief should not only be replaced but investigated for locking up numerous people under the computer crime law and LM offenses, Thailand does deserve a answer too on who shot on protestors so the responsible figures can become neighbors of Assad and Khadaffi in the Hague soon.

[renaissanc]

If Jatuporn says that he's not bothered about being in the Cabinet, that Thaksin isn't behind choosing the Cabinet, etc., etc., then that's good enough for me, because Jatuporn would never tell a lie, would he?

[scorecard]

They deserve a few posts, just like every important fraction does. The DSI chief should not only be replaced but investigated for locking up numerous people under the computer crime law and LM offenses, Thailand does deserve a answer too on who shot on protestors so the responsible figures can become neighbors of Assad and Khadaffi in the Hague soon.

So can I be assured you will also be vocal about the paymaster being brought before proper justice processes for his role in the deaths in his 'drug war' and his involvement in the Tak Bai suffocations?

[hellodolly]

They deserve a few posts, just like every important fraction does. The DSI chief should not only be replaced but investigated for locking up numerous people under the computer crime law and LM offenses, Thailand does deserve a answer too on who shot on protestors so the responsible figures can become neighbors of Assad and Khadaffi in the Hague soon.

You have no idea of what happened do you?

How about this he is asking the government not to abandon red-shirt protesters injured in last year's crackdown.

In other words don't treat them like the red shirts treated them.

Quote

"He warned the new government not to abandon red-shirt protesters injured in last year's crackdown while noting that the decision whether the Department of Special Investigation chief must be replaced rests with the judgment of the new justice minister. "

[scorecard]

jatuporn makes comments about no conflict with thaksins prior wife.

Would jatuporn really know whether this is true or not? somehow I doubt it, and somehow I feel that jatuporn makes whatever comments he feels are good for his cause, regardless of truth facts or whatever.

[scorecard]

They deserve a few posts, just like every important fraction does. The DSI chief should not only be replaced but investigated for locking up numerous people under the computer crime law and LM offenses, Thailand does deserve a answer too on who shot on protestors so the responsible figures can become neighbors of Assad and Khadaffi in the Hague soon.

So I guess you are assuming that the DSI Chief personally makes the laws about computer crimes, lese Majeste, etc?

[KevinB]

I think people critising the Red Shirt leaders comments miss the point. The Movement was instrumental in mobilising the rural vote that put the party into power. AND as such they had better be included in the cabinet otherwise there will be an instant disconnected between the new Government and the electorate. Think of Obama appointing no blacks to his cabinet or senior Government posts. Think of a Labour Goverment appointing no one from the Labour Movement. Think of the Lib-DEMs (who have sacrifiued some of theiir principles) accepting that they don't get key cabinet posts because of the support to Cameron. Some of you guys just have to get over the fact that the majority of the people in this country support the winners of this election and for the vast majority of the rural population in the North and North-East of this country (plus millions of low paid workers in agriculture, commerce and industry) the Red Shirts represent their thinkinbg and their resistance to the rich elite of this country. This is Politics 101.

[Thai at Heart]

They deserve a few posts, just like every important fraction does. The DSI chief should not only be replaced but investigated for locking up numerous people under the computer crime law and LM offenses, Thailand does deserve a answer too on who shot on protestors so the responsible figures can become neighbors of Assad and Khadaffi in the Hague soon.

I think that card will stay well and truly off the table for the time being. It is not only a get out of jail card, but a put a lot of pretty important people in the poop/possibly jail card.

[damian]

I think PT are going to regret having this motor mouth back on the street.

[smileydude]

Jatuporn said the red-shirt group will have no problem if its elements are not brought into the Cabinet

Of course,parlementary immunity was all that was needed.To hell with the cabinet ,saving our a*se for the crimes commited and which will be commited inn the future is the only goal.

Jatuporn's bucket list

#1 burn some buildings

#2 get elected into parliament

#3 save my own hide

#4 get a lobotomy and plastic surgery

Well he's already achieved all but the last on his list, go for it!

[smileydude]

I think people critising the Red Shirt leaders comments miss the point. The Movement was instrumental in mobilising the rural vote that put the party into power. AND as such they had better be included in the cabinet otherwise there will be an instant disconnected between the new Government and the electorate. Think of Obama appointing no blacks to his cabinet or senior Government posts. Think of a Labour Goverment appointing no one from the Labour Movement. Think of the Lib-DEMs (who have sacrifiued some of theiir principles) accepting that they don't get key cabinet posts because of the support to Cameron. Some of you guys just have to get over the fact that the majority of the people in this country support the winners of this election and for the vast majority of the rural population in the North and North-East of this country (plus millions of low paid workers in agriculture, commerce and industry) the Red Shirts represent their thinkinbg and their resistance to the rich elite of this country. This is Politics 101.

I get your point but what concerns me is the majority isn't always right. This is about using populist policies to win the election not for the benefit of the country but for certain groups/interests. Please allow me to elaborate on a couple points.

Thaksin and many of his allies are an example of the rich elite.

Jatuporn represents the poor

Jatuporn helps Thaksin

the poor help the rich elite get into office

the gap between the rich and poor widens????

bit of an irony don't you think?

Politics 101 at its best.

Edited August 5, 2011 by smileydude

[steveromagnino]

I bet the red shirt leaders end up with The Office of the PM and thus controlling the Public Relations Dept of Thailand.

Nattawut Saikua will be the man for this one....After all, Jakapop Penkair warmed the seat pretty well and anyhow, there are many, many favours/punishments to be granted to certain connected media partners who kindly reported as asked....now payment and payback is on the cards.

Again.

It's like Revenge of the Nerds or Police Academy. Why have one bad film when you can have several even worse repeats of the same plot with much the same cast?

As always, today's party political from Suranand with his usual attempt to be an academic (fail) highlights that for sure, PT is going to be annoying a few of their coalition partners...this is part of the end game as they know they will only be in power 12 months and will do everything to deliver a mandate providing majority in their snap election coming soon.

The choice of Nattawut reflects that desire; PRD controls multiple information channels; coupled with the control already over most of the other channels, we can expect to hear very very happy and rosy news for the next 12 months! It's like Xmas again!

Edited August 5, 2011 by steveromagnino

[steveromagnino]

I think people critising the Red Shirt leaders comments miss the point. The Movement was instrumental in mobilising the rural vote that put the party into power. AND as such they had better be included in the cabinet otherwise there will be an instant disconnected between the new Government and the electorate. Think of Obama appointing no blacks to his cabinet or senior Government posts. Think of a Labour Goverment appointing no one from the Labour Movement. Think of the Lib-DEMs (who have sacrifiued some of theiir principles) accepting that they don't get key cabinet posts because of the support to Cameron. Some of you guys just have to get over the fact that the majority of the people in this country support the winners of this election and for the vast majority of the rural population in the North and North-East of this country (plus millions of low paid workers in agriculture, commerce and industry) the Red Shirts represent their thinkinbg and their resistance to the rich elite of this country. This is Politics 101.

1. TRT was able to acheive similar results well before the red shirt movement ever appeared so your linkage between the two is doubtful

2. There is little to say that the UDD supporters care about getting cabinet seats or not, the only people talking about it are the leaders; the supporters of the UDD to my knowledge don't have a strong opinion one way or the other (some care, some don't)

3. If you really think the rural poor should get representation with a seat in the cabinet...how about we have a non educated from the rice fields genuine representative of the farmers in the cabinet? Oh that's right, not allowed, you have to have a degree (legit or a paid one is ok it seems) to be an MP...never have heard any of the red shirt leaders talking about that as part of the constitutional reform...have you?

Since UDD is NOT a political movement (if it is, then PT might run a risk of being disqualified) why should they get any seats in cabinet at all unless they are any good?

It's always amusing to hear how factions whether they be the upcountry godfather thug parties, crony capitalists after government favouritism or now the red shirt wearers feel somehow that 'their faction' deserves cabinet seats on the basis of representation or helping to 'win'. Anyone believing the red shirt leaders have some insight into their rural poor followers that Yingluck cannot also read in her research reports is sorely misinformed.

Appointment on merit...creating a meritocracy...surely that should be a far better objective? Or shall we just appoint Dr Weng to be Ministry of Health because we think he would be good for a laugh, and make Jatuporn Minister of Sport because we think he probably needs to lose some weight?

And no...i don't think Nattawut is the right man for the job, but the red shirt leaders (not the followers) have to be given something, because they have egos that make Floyd Mayweather seem like a humble fella. And I guess to his credit Nattawut knows what a radio and a TV is, so he is probably better informed than half of the house of representatives; certainly the former government seemed to have little familiarity with what they were supposed to do with either of those!!! (555555)

Edited August 5, 2011 by steveromagnino

[Thai at Heart]

And no...i don't think Nattawut is the right man for the job, but the red shirt leaders (not the followers) have to be given something, because they have egos that make Floyd Mayweather seem like a humble fella. And I guess to his credit Nattawut knows what a radio and a TV is, so he is probably better informed than half of the house of representatives; certainly the former government seemed to have little familiarity with what they were supposed to do with either of those!!! (555555)

Too right. They appeared stuck in the "telephotography" and "wireless" age and appeared to believe that they should "control" the media instead of using it better to get their message across. Just look what Sondhi achieved with one channel and website. If Sondhi had been running the Dems media campaign, they would have at least had a fighting chance.

Abhisit didn't have a "bigot gate" moment a la Gordon Brown, but beyond that, the Dems completely failed to engage with the people.

[KevinB]

Smiley Dude - I've only lived here since 2006 and I still travel a lot but trust that the locals I get to speak with tell me the truth. Thaksin did so much for the poor in his first term in power that they have re-elected the Party which represents him - so he is rich - it doesn't bother them. What does bother the average Thai is that using legal means the powers in control forced a popular PM elected after a military coup to lose his job because he appeared on a cooking programme, then with a switch in allegiance in the Parliament managed to get rid of the next PM and establish a leadership not elected by the people of this country. Then using again legal means "stole" at least half of the man's fortune - equally many might even accept that much of the fortune was accumulated by not such legal means - but accumulated by his own ideas and efforts - in a similar way to most of the fortunes in Thailand. The bit that bugs them is that someone took it away by what they consider to be unfair means - they also see his conviction in the same way. Now for you and I this may mean very little but for them it means enough to vote for the party that represents him, in vast numbers - giving the Party basically un-rivalled access to Power. - Power to use the legal means available to correct what they see as unfair rulings and decision made by the previous Government and the leaders of the previous coup..And this is then the next part of Politics 101 - people often vote based on what they believe the Party they are voting for can do for them. If the party they elect fails to do what they believe in, they may, vote elsewhere next time. It is called Democracy.

[TAWP]

I think people critising the Red Shirt leaders comments miss the point. The Movement was instrumental in mobilising the rural vote that put the party into power.

You are incorrect.

TRT was bought together; big money bought up local feudal lords and long-time MPs to create one big party.

This party, using these long-time MPs (that are perpetually re-elected no-matter what they or their murderous sons do), got voted into power.

Thaksin won re-election using this same MPs.

Many MPs within the ranks start to voice opposition and to prohibit any MPs defecting to other parties or break out to other parties a snap election is called mere months after a election was already won. It wasn't called by voters, it was called by Thaksin to prohibit MPs to defect, using the 90-day rule.

Boycotted election, coup, PPP formation and election...and the proxy-party using same MPs (or their sons/wives) are in government again.

PAD goes out to demonstrate against Thaksins proxies trying to whitewash him.

Red Shirts are astroturfed (forming UDD etc etc) from the pay-master, using the feudal lords connections to force the foot-soldiers out in the streets and counter the PAD.

And the rest is history.

[TAWP]

3. If you really think the rural poor should get representation with a seat in the cabinet...how about we have a non educated from the rice fields genuine representative of the farmers in the cabinet? Oh that's right, not allowed, you have to have a degree (legit or a paid one is ok it seems) to be an MP...never have heard any of the red shirt leaders talking about that as part of the constitutional reform...have you?

The new constitution, unlike the one from 1997, allows a person to be an MP without a degree. Not obtain a minister/cabinet position however.

PTP however wants to bring the 1997-constitution back, effectively ruling out any possibility of a poor farmer ever being a MP...

[Siam Simon]

They deserve a few posts, just like every important fraction does. The DSI chief should not only be replaced but investigated for locking up numerous people under the computer crime law and LM offenses, Thailand does deserve a answer too on who shot on protestors so the responsible figures can become neighbors of Assad and Khadaffi in the Hague soon.

So can I be assured you will also be vocal about the paymaster being brought before proper justice processes for his role in the deaths in his 'drug war' and his involvement in the Tak Bai suffocations?

I thought the 'but he did it too' argument was considered redundant on this forum. Each issue on it's own merits, eh?

Edited August 5, 2011 by Siam Simon

[Robby nz]

At least one of the red shirt mob should be good for minister of prisons, with their experience.

But I said that before.

Thaksin will decide, no hang on he wont Yingluck said.

[rixalex]

Smiley Dude - I've only lived here since 2006 and I still travel a lot but trust that the locals I get to speak with tell me the truth. Thaksin did so much for the poor in his first term in power that they have re-elected the Party which represents him - so he is rich - it doesn't bother them. What does bother the average Thai is that using legal means the powers in control forced a popular PM elected after a military coup to lose his job because he appeared on a cooking programme, then with a switch in allegiance in the Parliament managed to get rid of the next PM and establish a leadership not elected by the people of this country. Then using again legal means "stole" at least half of the man's fortune - equally many might even accept that much of the fortune was accumulated by not such legal means - but accumulated by his own ideas and efforts - in a similar way to most of the fortunes in Thailand. The bit that bugs them is that someone took it away by what they consider to be unfair means - they also see his conviction in the same way. Now for you and I this may mean very little but for them it means enough to vote for the party that represents him, in vast numbers - giving the Party basically un-rivalled access to Power. - Power to use the legal means available to correct what they see as unfair rulings and decision made by the previous Government and the leaders of the previous coup..And this is then the next part of Politics 101 - people often vote based on what they believe the Party they are voting for can do for them. If the party they elect fails to do what they believe in, they may, vote elsewhere next time. It is called Democracy.

You got all this from speaking to the locals? And you have lived here on and off since 2006. Do all the locals you mix with speak excellent English or are you fluent in Thai? Just wondering...

[scorecard]

Smiley Dude - I've only lived here since 2006 and I still travel a lot but trust that the locals I get to speak with tell me the truth. Thaksin did so much for the poor in his first term in power that they have re-elected the Party which represents him - so he is rich - it doesn't bother them. What does bother the average Thai is that using legal means the powers in control forced a popular PM elected after a military coup to lose his job because he appeared on a cooking programme, then with a switch in allegiance in the Parliament managed to get rid of the next PM and establish a leadership not elected by the people of this country. Then using again legal means "stole" at least half of the man's fortune - equally many might even accept that much of the fortune was accumulated by not such legal means - but accumulated by his own ideas and efforts - in a similar way to most of the fortunes in Thailand. The bit that bugs them is that someone took it away by what they consider to be unfair means - they also see his conviction in the same way. Now for you and I this may mean very little but for them it means enough to vote for the party that represents him, in vast numbers - giving the Party basically un-rivalled access to Power. - Power to use the legal means available to correct what they see as unfair rulings and decision made by the previous Government and the leaders of the previous coup..And this is then the next part of Politics 101 - people often vote based on what they believe the Party they are voting for can do for them. If the party they elect fails to do what they believe in, they may, vote elsewhere next time. It is called Democracy.

Quote from above : ".....forced a popular PM elected after a military coup to lose his job because he appeared on a cooking programme,....."

Samak is the man you refer to, he was not popularly elected, he came to the job through a different (legal) process, and he broke the law, a law which you would find in most countries in the world ' PMs / presidents or whatever cannot have two jobs, further:

- The said law is very appropriate, society expects (and should expect) that a pm / president it spending all of their time on matters of the state.

- Samak tried the angle that he wasn't actually paid, and was caught out with evidence that he was paid. Still doesn't negate that the pm should be focused on matters of running the country.

- Although the show only appeared for one hour per week, like any such program it takes many many hours to tape and re-tape one episode, plus he insisted on going to the market and buying the ingredients himseld, more time.

- Plus, off the point but what he cooked on his show was everyday Thai food, nothing exotic or unseen.

Quote: "....Then using again legal means "stole" at least half of the man's fortune - equally many might even accept that much of the fortune was accumulated by not such legal means - but accumulated by his own ideas and efforts......"

You say 'legal means', then you say 'stole'. they seem to be opposites, so which is it?

And I guess you are saying that if you steal massive amounts of funds owned by all citizens of Thailand using your own ideas to steal said funds then it's OK to steal those funds? Strange logic.

[rixalex]

Quote from above : ".....forced a popular PM elected after a military coup to lose his job because he appeared on a cooking programme,....."

Samak is the man you refer to, he was not popularly elected, he came to the job through a different (legal) process, and he broke the law, a law which you would find in most countries in the world ' PMs / presidents or whatever cannot have two jobs, further:

- The said law is very appropriate, society expects (and should expect) that a pm / president it spending all of their time on matters of the state.

- Samak tried the angle that he wasn't actually paid, and was caught out with evidence that he was paid. Still doesn't negate that the pm should be focused on matters of running the country.

- Although the show only appeared for one hour per week, like any such program it takes many many hours to tape and re-tape one episode, plus he insisted on going to the market and buying the ingredients himseld, more time.

- Plus, off the point but what he cooked on his show was everyday Thai food, nothing exotic or unseen.

Quote: "....Then using again legal means "stole" at least half of the man's fortune - equally many might even accept that much of the fortune was accumulated by not such legal means - but accumulated by his own ideas and efforts......"

You say 'legal means', then you say 'stole'. they seem to be opposites, so which is it?

And I guess you are saying that if you steal massive amounts of funds owned by all citizens of Thailand using your own ideas to steal said funds then it's OK to steal those funds? Strange logic.

Scorecard, i have lost count of the number of times you have patiently refuted the type of propaganda to which you responded. I admire your diligence, but can't help wondering if it is all worth it? I mean, KevinB clearly has access to the internet, and all that you mention is out there and would not take more than a few days of research to find.

[scorecard]

They deserve a few posts, just like every important fraction does. The DSI chief should not only be replaced but investigated for locking up numerous people under the computer crime law and LM offenses, Thailand does deserve a answer too on who shot on protestors so the responsible figures can become neighbors of Assad and Khadaffi in the Hague soon.

So can I be assured you will also be vocal about the paymaster being brought before proper justice processes for his role in the deaths in his 'drug war' and his involvement in the Tak Bai suffocations?

I thought the 'but he did it too' argument was considered redundant on this forum. Each issue on it's own merits, eh?

What rule, are u making rules?

nice try to avoid my retort but still waiting for your response to my specific retort. And let's remember the paymaster, and his red rabble, how make lots of noise about equal justice / no double standards, so which way do you want it?

[khaowong1]

I bet the red shirt leaders end up with The Office of the PM and thus controlling the Public Relations Dept of Thailand.

Nattawut Saikua will be the man for this one....After all, Jakapop Penkair warmed the seat pretty well and anyhow, there are many, many favours/punishments to be granted to certain connected media partners who kindly reported as asked....now payment and payback is on the cards.

Again.

It's like Revenge of the Nerds or Police Academy. Why have one bad film when you can have several even worse repeats of the same plot with much the same cast?

As always, today's party political from Suranand with his usual attempt to be an academic (fail) highlights that for sure, PT is going to be annoying a few of their coalition partners...this is part of the end game as they know they will only be in power 12 months and will do everything to deliver a mandate providing majority in their snap election coming soon.

The choice of Nattawut reflects that desire; PRD controls multiple information channels; coupled with the control already over most of the other channels, we can expect to hear very very happy and rosy news for the next 12 months! It's like Xmas again!

I was thinking it was more like a Godfather movie.

[JohnAllan]

For an MP just released from prison . . . Jatuporn seems to know an awful lot of what is going on, and who should be doing - or not doing - what.

Well, good luck, Yingluck. With that rabble rouser in your team - minister or no minister - you'll need all the luck you can get.

A question, though: if Jatuporn, true to form, gets involved - hang on, we're talking pig and hen, here - participates in future protests against your government, or it's policies, how long will you let him hide behind his parliamentary immunity?

Edited August 5, 2011 by JohnAllan